/vr/ - Retro Games

dragon slayer sucks

Azure Dragon is the best waifu.

>>6235686
why does your game look so purple

>>6235818
good taste

What's the best part composition for M&M6? Is there anything else I should watch out for like a spell or item that's considered top tier or place I should head for or whatever?

>>6235693
Blessed, she even has straight bangs, my favourite.

>>6236139
Real men use KKKK
Søyboys use SSSC

I just want to play HOMM3, why is this so much to ask? I don't have the faintest idea what is wrong so I've no idea what to try to fix it.

Also
>Ok help me out, I'm stuck in the house due to political unrest in some African country, how do I beat AI on Impossible in HotA?
>TRAINING IS THE ONLY WAY TO BECOME STRONGER
My HoTA became fucked up trying to update itself off of shit internet but the question still stands. I mostly did Impossible/G/Random Hero/Town and every time I meet the AI their army dwarfs mine, no pun intended

>>6236260
Forgot pic, I'm the guy from the previous thread.

>>6236260
>>6236272
If I click really really fast, I can start a game with the default settings on the first scenario that is listed. Not that it helps since I get the same problem there anyway immediately.

Happens in the starting cutscenes if I wait for it to talk about the history of Erathia, happens on the main menu or any submenu a couple of seconds after loading the game, and does it in game too if I just just instantly.

What do?

>>6236267
>My HoTA became fucked up trying to update itself off of shit internet
Don't use automatic update, delete HotA_launcher.exe, it's broken. Re-download and install in separate folder.
https://www.mediafire.com/file/5svue0o5be5xqlh/HotA_1.6.1_full_setup.exe/file

>>6236278
Uninstall GeForce Experience.

>>6236306
>Uninstall GeForce Experience.
That actually worked, thanks friend.

I'd never have thought of that in a million years, if there's anything I can do to help you out or info I can give you or whatever else, just let me know.

>>6236139
Read the OP pastebin. Non-heroes stuff is at the bottom.

>>6236864
>Read the OP pastebin. Non-heroes stuff is at the bottom.
>MM6: PACS or PCSS
Why that? That seems to be the default comp the game is offering me to start with too, why not
>Søyboys use SSSC
or whatever like the previous guy named?

>>6236965
Casters grow stronger as the game goes on, but some fighting ability is helpful for newer players as having enough hp to survive will help a lot. Knights are trash tier because Paladins get every ability Knights do plus healing, and running KKKK is intentionally adding a challenge. Once you know the game the low hp pools aren't as much of a concern and you can shortcut toward mid and end game content more easily where Sorcerers and Clerics pull way ahead due to how absurdly powerful high level Shrapmetal (dark magic) is. CCSS is probably better than CSSS even if you know the game due to instagib effects, but basically it's the idea to get to dark magic and then smash 1 button all the way until endgame (with occasional healing). CSSS is the comp to run if you choose dark side in MM7 though.

>>6237017
>hp pools
And armor/weapons

bleh

Besides Gremlins, which Tower units are worth upgrading?

This town is expensive as sin and I need to cut the budget somewhere.

>>6237181
Genies (spells), Nagas (damage and speed) and Giants (range).

>>6237181
some of the most basic early-mid game setups after you get your tier 6 + castle at least, but preferrably try to get tier 7 asap always
>master gremlins + rest of slots filled with fodder and 1-stacks of master genies to pile up buffs on the MGs (you are aiming go get bless, precision, frenzy etc.)
>naga queen upgrade if you went nagas+citadel/castle in week 1 and want a sizable mostly self-reliant powerstack for week 2
>titans obviously
put off upgrading
>gargoyles, their stats are meh either way, unless there's a level 2 dwelling nearby and/or lots of shooters, but usually a low priority
>golems, you aren't generally creeping early on with slow units
>magi, they have good stats but their primary use early on is for -2 mana cost to all spells to the hero, just one mage is enough for that, bonus persists even after your sole mage dies (but prevent him from dying anyway)

>>6237132
ssssssacha

>>6237196
Not him, but you got any more of that advice for other factions? Especially Dungeon.

>>6236139
Paladin, Cleric, Sorcerer and Knight
knight and pally will carry the early game and sorc and cleric will carry the later half

>>6237181
Tower is pretty based faction, love master gremlins, love master genies, love nagas, love titans
'ate gargoyles, 'ate golems 'ate all their unupgraded units
simple as

>>6237838
Dungeon's ramp up tends to focus around
>a massive powerstack of Troglodytes, particularly if Shakti is a starting hero; they're liable for an upgrade to Infernals early
>alternatively, in HotA only (due to the improvements across the board to level 2 specialists and a buff to Harpy Hags specifically), if you have Lorelei, or if there's a level 2 dwelling nearby (but remember your Portal of Summoning), you can go with mass Harpy Hags and use them for hit'n'run tactics
>otherwise your curve will most likely be to rush Manticores ASAP and run around with a powerstack of Troglodytes while Mantis serve as blockers
>if you are relying on Resurrection tactics do not upgrade Dragons
>try to avoid flagging bad dwellings; only flag dwellings after you know the map in order to abuse the Portal of Summoning; Shakti's starting army (120+ trogs or so) can, for example, take on the guardian of the Red Dragon dwelling if there's one nearby
>Dungeon doesn't really have any "must-have" upgrades (Hags, perhaps, and also if you're using Mantis a lot for blocking, Scorpis have +4 speed and paralyze on-hit) and depending on the game or template you might be better served trying to build up your mage guild or cheesing extra level 7 units from the Portal of Summoning.
Upgraded Chapel of Stilled Voices is super cheap and doubles the shot capacity of your Medusas, so you might as well throw it in.
I like Minotaur Kings a lot, especially since they tend to not die and they accumulate a lot under your quick Castle.

>>6238169
How about Fortress or Stronghold, whichever one was the Swamp themed one? I always mix the name up.

>>6235818
nwcphisherprice

>>6238208
>Swamp
That's Fortress.
Pointers for Fortress are generally:
>upgrade your Dragon Flies early, and use them on scouting heroes, giving you a super cheap flying unit for a shitload of movement points. Later on, use 1-stacks of Dragon Flies to cast Weakness and Dispel, take away retaliation, block shooters, etc. - they're extremely versatile units!
>do not rely much on units from other towns (from a secondary hero in tavern) for fodder because Swamp's movement penalty will destroy you outside of a road
>get Wyverns quickly; you might want to upgrade Gnolls and/or Lizards first (the latter particularly in HotA due to aforementioned level 2 buffs across the board making Wystan a decent starter), but do make sure you get Wyverns
>once you get Hydras they can solo a lot of encounters, primarily against melee units due to their non-retal multi attack and beefy HP. With the massive Defense stat gains and Hydras you have a very good way to conquer Dragon Utopias
>do get Gorgons but don't necessarily use them for creeping early on; stockpile them and turn them into Mighty Gorgons after you have level 7 dwelling + Castle; MGs are your primary beefy unit killer due to Death Stare
>if the map is rich in Dragonfly Hives (as modern multiplayer templates often are), Fortress is the only town that can reliably upgrade the rewards to Wyvern Monarchs, which, when massed that way, are a formidable powerstack; along with your dwelling, you will always have more Wyverns than your non-Fortress opponent in the final fight in a typical 1v1 MP setting
>if you're struggling with early game as Fortress (understandable due to their defense emphasizing trading, but when creeping early on you'd prefer not to take losses in the first place) try to pick Drakon or Bron; Alkin has slightly better tempo early on too due to starting with Offense; in HotA, Wystan is very good; Tazar is one of the ultimate late-game heroes

>>6238232
>>6238169
Very good guides. Can I include them in pastebin?

>>6238232
Cool stuff, there's a map I'm looking for but can't remember the name of. I think it was 2vs2 but it may have been 2vs4 or something, map size may have been medium but possibly large, and the main gimmick of the map was that it had tons of artifacts. Really though any map is okay as long as it has plenty of artifacts, I like trying to put together and collect complete sets of them.

>>6238247
Sure, but they're really not anything special.

>>6238232
I'm gonna be that guy, how about inferno?

>>6238262
Inferno:
>one of the primary difficulties they have is their lackluster ramp-up; the starting heroes aren't exceptional in general. Ignatius might help curve that out (Imps suck compared to Goblins and Gnolls though), and in HotA, Calh is a good starter (level 2 heroes buff across the board, yada yada). Fiona is an okay starter solely for Scouting and faster Hellhounds, but in general, Inferno is one of those towns desperately looking for a better main. HotA further makes rushing to upgrade Magogs better (because you can aim the fireball AoE). If you're desperate, Marius or Nymus.
>Only upgrade Demons after you're done Demon farming (Pit Lords turn fallen units into Demons on a 1:1 HP basis, e.g. 9x4 HP imps = 1x35 hp Demon), so right before the decisive battle of the game. Same principle as with Skeletons in Necro. Get as many dwellings as possible for fodder.
>Artifacts that grant +HP are super beneficial to demon farming, making it more cost-effective.
>If you're heavy into demon farming, feel free to sacrifice your own units up to tier 3. Cerberi are a poor man's Wolf Rider (squishy, yet more expensive and less effective at bursting people down), so it's up to you if you want them.
>After your level 7 + Castle is done, upgrade your Pit Lords obviously - you need them for demon farming.
>Efreeti are your workhorse unit early on; get them ASAP and use them to block shooters and burst things down.
>Devils might be unimpressive level 7 units, but their non-retal flying means you can take on shit like Legion of Dendroid Soldiers with a single unit. You will develop carpal tunnel and your multiplayer partner will fall asleep, but it's possible. Fast non-retal and cheesy spells (particularly Force Field) let you take Dragon Utopias with relatively few losses, too. Abuse Devil mobility ALWAYS.
>On really long maps or XL maps, Ayden is great.

>>6238262
>>6238286
And if you're a casual player who can't be bothered to figure out Demon farming and just want to crush some original maps, just rush Efreeti+Castle and get Devils while looking for a different hero in tavern (Barbarian, Overlord, Elementalist, something better than Demoniac/Heretic). As is worth emphasizing, Devils/Archdevils can pull ridiculous bullshit on their own, especially with Expert Slow support and spells like Force Field. But they're kind of a glass cannon faction in that sense, and will generally lose in a straight up fight, so in general, you should be looking for tricks with Inferno. If you luck out into getting Berserk or Armageddon, you just might win with that.

Is there any way to edit a hero on a saved file? I keep trying to get trough SOD campaign, but when your heroes' skills reroll on the later maps ot gets annoying beyond reason to restart the maps until i finally don't get scouting

>>6238169
>>6238232
>>6238286
I appreciate all these write-ups man. Until now I've just blindly built one upgrade after the next with no regard for the stats.

>>6237196
>>6238169
Please make more posts like this for the towns

All I remember is
>Stronghold
>rush Behemoths

>Rampart
>GElves + Treasury on long maps

>Castle
>Marksman/crusaders/angels, skip zealots

>>6238557
imho the big key to Rampart is always keep Dwarves and Dendroids at home. This way you never lose a siege.

When the catapult rips a hole in your wall just fill it with a stack of Dendroids and it's as good as new. They're indestructible.

What starting skills are good in MM6? Especially for a Sorc or Cleric.

Here's your new game bros.

>>6238594
It's actually pretty fun if you like auto chess
I wish they gave us another dark Messiah style rpg tho

>>6238603
>It's actually pretty fun if you like auto chess
so you need to be retarded to like this game, ok.

>>6238624
t. has not actually ever played any autochess

>>6238594
make it stop

All right, been playing MM6 for about an hour or so and have a few questions:
1: How do I level up spells / magic spec / skills in general? I stumbled upon how to level up, though I've yet to figure out how to apply skill points on anything (or even what I should use them on).
2: Anywhere or anything I should be doing? I followed the pastebin to learn bows and have been kiting my way through the goblins and apprentice mages in the area, though I came across a massive group of mages in the SW and noped the fuck out.
3: Came across a bunch of houses teaching "expert" magic, though I apparently don't meet the qualifications or anything. What do I need to do?
4: The pastebin says to turn off run, what's the hotkey or whatever to do that?

>>6238731
Anyone? At this point I've killed basically everything here, including a few of the townsfolk because my arrows auto target them. Donating to the temple a few times seemed to fix that though.

I'm still no closer to answering any of my questions from earlier though.

>>6238731
>>6238856
All right, found out some things but not really where to get any good spells. Should I be leveling up water magic on everyone, air magic, or both?

Still haven't figured out turning off run, and Cobras are satan incarnate. Running back to the temple to heal 3 of my party members from unconsciousness after every two cobras sure is fun when you do it ten times in a fucking row.

>>6238458
Nvm i figured it out

>>6238543
Ah fine, let's try out one more.
Stronghold, because it's less straightforward than it seems:
>you are almost certainly starting with 4 attack, so abuse the shit out of it; no matter what you do, use that Attack. Notably, you have the best Ballista hero in the game; if you want a low-maintenance self-reliant hero, Gurnisson is fun to start with. Eliminating an enemy stack in one shot means that stack can't retaliate against you and punch you in the dick.
>although common knowledge is to rush Rocs and Behemoths, it often might be better off to pick up Goblins and Wolf Riders first. They are both insanely potent units with your attack rating, and HotA buffs Tyraxor even more (he was already solid in SoD). Rocs and Behemoths don't pack a raw punch quite yet and Behemoth feels super fragile against lots of shooter stacks, so you can delay them just a little bit; your ultimate goal is still as many dwellings as possible (usually except Cyclopi) + Castle.
>protect your Wolf Riders. Stronghold is strong, but optimally somewhat challenging because losing units to unlucky morale or mistakes hurts bad. Always take retal off before attacking with Wolfs and save them, it will pay off because they provide insane burst damage.
>Upgraded Ogres are formidable walkers (comparable to Minotaurs), but not a priority upgrade.
>Upg. Rocs is cheap and Thunderbirds are a super strong utility unit that packs a good punch. One of prio upgrades after Gobs and Wolfs.
>usually skip Cyclopi due to their steep crystal cost unless it's HotA. They can be an interesting unit if you are swimming in Crystals, but usually, when in doubt, go Behes.
>BMs are basically Barbarians with slightly worse physical stat growth in exchange for a spellbook, innate access to Water Magic (a detriment or boon depending on meta; in MP you usually want Earth+Air, but in SP water grants fantastic buffs, and in both situations Water counters strong debuffs).

>>6238594
I like autochess but this is going to be a spiral to death, league autochess was supposed to be big but now updates are slow as fug, nothing new in 2 months.

>>6239006
One character is your water magic specialist. Get it to level 12 immediately, including horseshoes. Poison Spray will do solid damage for it's cost (just run right into the enemy hitbox and all the shots will hit) and Ice Bolt can chase down runners (plus enchant item for utility). Once you get master the game gets a ton easier. Your second elemental caster should be going up in air to at least expert. If you chose a Sorcerer keep dumping air magic and use Sparks as your main damage spell. If it was an Archer instead you have plenty of options, such as master sword for double attacks, identify, disarm, or even expert fire for better torch light. Your Cleric should be going into Body magic and using Cure Wounds once you get some skill points.

There are more elemental spells in Mist, but the top spells are in Free Haven (they cost a fortune, but get a lot more reasonable if you pick up the merchant and duper in the city). The main ones you want are Lloyd's Beacon and Town Portal in the water guild and Fly in the air guild.

As for the snakes, that is covered in the pastebin. Hit and run with bows for basically everything. If they get too close you can always turn around, leave turn based combat, run, and re-enter. Turning does not take any time in turn based combat.

>>6239296
I only downloaded it recently, but if they release new content frequently they may stay in market for a while.
Actually, i would like to see them implement the auto chess gameplay into a campaign, it could be fun.

>>6239480
I guess I'll give it a try. I like how layback is the genre so might as well enjoy it while it lasts.

Guys wtf is the deal with VCMI anyway, I absolutely love some of the mod towns and am willing to put up with lots of jank, I gave the AI infinite resource and all I want them to do is sit in town and buy up all their units every week so I can have a decent battle with mod towns but they can't even do that, 50% of the time they build all buildings and then recruit no units and sit there waiting for me and my tryhard army to come kill them.
I don't know what a daily build is but they seem to be updating often yet their AI can't even recruit units or stop themselves from attacking my damn catapult whenever they do recruit units.
I love what they're trying to do but its such a fkin cocktease.

mfw the AI gets armor of the damned

>>6239576
VCMI AI isn't finished and doesn't work properly.

>>6238557
Ramp gets that huge boost right when treasury kicks. They feel weaker late game because elves and pegasi are so spongy. So very strong midgame faction.

Stronghold and Fortress are maulers.
Dungeon OP but fun
Conflux OP but just broken
Inferno sux but fun
Tower late gamers
Necro lol vamps
Castle all around good

>>6239787
What about Cove from HotA?

>>6239767
Yes and I feel like an ungrateful asshole for complaining but like I said there seems to be constant updates and I can't understand why these 2 seemingly small tweaks of making the AI buy available units and making them attack enemies with weakest defense still haven't been added, it's probably a lot more complicated than I think and the main reason I'm bitching about it here is because I don't want to go and bitch to them on their website about it because I appreciate them but goddamn, every time I put a few hours into a map on VCMI I end up so butthurt.

>>6239332
I have 3 Sorcs with Air and Water magic, and a Cleric with Spirit and Body (might not be spirit, forgot the name, it has mind blast), if I make my main a water magic specialist and my second guy an air magic specialist, what do I do with the 3rd one?

There any particular skills I should be rushing to learn? Which of these should I be looking to master?

>>6239882
Pick up Fire and Earth. Fire has Haste and a number of AoE spells, Earth has Prot. From Magic which is Very Important for not tearing your hair out later in the game.
(Sparks and poison spray are still probably the most mana efficient ways to kill things)
Mind is pretty bad except for cure paralysis/insanity because most enemies have Mind immunity.
Get Learning early

>>6239902
I mean, other than Learning is there any skills I should be picking up like the ability to wear leather armor?

Which skills should I be investing in other than the magic masteries you've named? I assume I'll have enough skill points to do more than just master one skill, after all.

>>6239935
I see armor and shields in MM6 as basically pointless, it slows down attacks and gives too little defense for too big of investment. I just wear high tier helmet-gauntlets-boots-cloacks and cast mastered Hour of Power.
Give everyone fist level in merchant, it costs only money and influences prices for training and learning new skills. Always train party in training centers and buy costly things with duper and merchant in party. Eventually give everyone master bodybuilding and meditation. Give everyone lvl 1 learning as quickly as you can, but mastering it isn't really that important, in endgame you can basically dump gold in a well every day in exchange for xp.
Giving to someone repair and identify and mastering them eventually is just convenient. If you have spare skillpoints, giving everyone expert perception will help in avoiding trap damage and isn't all that costly.

>>6239846
It's a good-tier town, not unanimously among the very best, sometimes the meta (depending on templates and flavor of the month) shines on it, but it has a similar difficulty to Stronghold where it relies on extremely fragile, but hard-hitting units to do objectives early on, and losing your Nymphs to morale or mistakes hurts a lot. Captains are generally decent heroes, but not Barbarian or Overlord tier. Ayssids are interesting as the best duelist type among its tier 7 brethren as it will beat all of them in a straight fight (although the other tier 7s may have better utility). Overall it's pretty good.

>>6239527
I think the biggest downside is the performance, but it's not an issue when i play it on bluestacks so it's probably just my phone not handling it well.

>>6240019
This is pretty good, I would suggest having one character with Disarm Trap rather than investing in perceptuon, and early expert learning pays off more than just grabbing a point in it.
Hour of Power at Master is one of the biggest argument for saving Fire/Earth points for Light/Dark

>>6239846
I'm not cool and play the old version :\

>>6240254
Well, you don't need more than one Light caster anyway, cleric or water sorc in that role will do. I can just say that it's super fun clearing out dungeons with two sorcerers with Morgan amulets and rings of fire and earth each and 12-16 in those magic skills. Shrapmetal just cost too much mana when dealing with liches, minotaurs and such, for me rockblasts and swarms work fine.

>>6240345
>cost too much mana
Also not to mention that you need to cast it point-blank, of course.

>>6240345
>two sorcerers with Morgan amulets
Is it possible to get two in a run through?
>without savelooting as well?

Never played HOMM before. Best entry for a newcomer?

>>6240395
3

>>6240395
3. don't install hota.

>>6240395
best entry period is 3

>>6240395
3 but 2 has the dope opera tracks

>>6240404
https://youtu.be/7qfkpokX9EY

>>6240390
You get artifacts from obelisk treasure even if you already found them in loot. Not sure if you can get more than two tho, does the game count artifacts/relics as "found" when you put them in inventory or when they are generated in chests?

>>6240409
>does the game count artifacts/relics as "found" when you put them in inventory or when they are generated in chests?
I have no idea but I lean towards inventory because a chest could conceivably respawn?

>>6240415
In that case you can have multiples of any artifact (huh, four Percivals would be nice). But to know for sure it really needs testing if someone already didn't done it.

>>6240420
We should form a circle and chant until an autisic slav coder appears

>>6238594
Nope, this is.

Playing MM6, what's a good way for a scrub to make a few coins around Free Haven? I'm destitute and trying to scrape together enough money for Meditation on everyone + some spells, but after buying other stuff I'm left with gold in the low hundreds and it feels like fucking everything I meet has strong ranged attacks and makes me sad.

What do I do?

>>6240774
Go clear New Sorpigal/Mist/Castle Ironfist/Bootleg Bay first
Sell everything
Practice real time archery and moving until you get a feel for it (much easier with Grayface patch I would imagine)
You should be prepared to fight Archers in Free Haven by that point, who drop decent money

>>6240805
Before that, where's the nearest place I can get a resurrection? The temple seemed abandoned.

>Click well
>Receive huge ambush

>>6240774
If you have Enchant Item spell, at expert Water you can buy rings and other stuff from stores that cost 450+ gold and reload til you get "of Antique"(multiplies item's cost ten times).

>>6240819
Now this is the sort of tip I really wish I'd had two hours ago, would have made my life much easier. Thanks, will do (once I can scrap enough gold for Enchant and res my dead party member.)

>>6240829
Well, you can just go to nwc dungeon if you REALLY need that money NOW.

>>6240818
That's the cleric promotion quest, you have to go to White Cap (Frozen Highlands) and get the quest from Lord Stone, then find the appropriate followers (Carpenter, Stone Mason, and I forget) in Free Haven and bring them to the Free Haven Temple. Until then, no temple
>getting owned by wells/teleporters is part of the MM learning curve

>>6240829
Really this makes me miss playing the game for the first time instead of being a Turboautist who knows which brick to click for the fly scroll so you can teleport to Dragonsand and pretty much get 10 levels XP and more than enough starting gold

>>6240859
Nah, I just do it to quickly brew black potions for everyone and get enough money to hire a gate master so I can squeeze everything from well/fountain increases.

>>6240083
fug, that was actually fun
I went blind and ended top 10 first time, and 3rd place, the next 2 times. I was just trying to hit as many sinergies as I could.

>>6240676
>pit fiend
Somehow I get the feeling having sex with her armpits wasn't what they're referring to

>>6241876
And here's Gog

>>6241886
THE TRANNY AGENDA HAS GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME

>>6241770
>Tfw i got first place the first two times i played the game
I wonder what the best meta build os right now. I like playing a build where you can get as many units as possible, with stuff like necro synergy or a hydra. Especially if you get spells like the one that makes your allies explode on death. I still gotta try a summoner build but i literally never got to complete the synergy.

>>6241905
>>6241886
>>6240676
>They mind getting waifus

>>6241905
>imagine being an ancient archmage and not turning yourself into a qt girl

Can someone explain to me what the fuck "Autochess" is?

>>6241915
As best I understand it, you buy units and position them, then they automatically attack using whatever their abilities are on random / the nearest(?) enemy target is.

Basically testing your initial planning and tactical placement / resource management abilities rather than anything else. If your opponent outfoxes you and places in a way that hard counters you, tough shit you'll just have to watch as you lose.

http://heroes3wog.net/juggernaut-factory-horn-of-the-abyss-update-8/
This thing is going to be an absolute nightmare during sieges isn't it

>>6242128
hota is shit so what

>>6242128
>mfw

Factory better be expensive as fuck or have dogshit tier heroes in order to compensate for this

>>6242170
Looks like a slow, tanky walker with a neat gimmick, which isn't necessarily better than an Archangel or some other god-tier 7's. Considering they did a solid job fitting Cove on the power curve I don't think they will fuck up Factory.

>>6240829
Might & Magic 6 update!

I spent around 2 to 3 in game hours each kiting single fire archers and slowly whittling them down, because it was a Sunday and I didn't have much else to do while waiting for the travel to open up again. Finally killed enough of the fuckers to buy the Enchant spell, bought it and saved before trying to enchant some rings.

"Item is not of high enough quality."
What the fuck gives?? I broke my back to get this spell and I'm gonna need returns on it ASAP.

>>6242128
Dendroids will have a REALLY bad day.

>>6242268
I think item needs to have a base value greater than 400

>>6242268
>>6242283
>Rules for Enchanting; For items, the value must be over $450: For Weapons, the value must be over $250: Every level of skill you have in water magic will give you a +10% chance of successfully enchanting an item. As your skill goes higher, you start to make better enchantments.

>>6242291
Fucknuggets.

Well, by selling half my stuff except for the bare essentials, I managed to buy the cheapest unenchanted ring and have been going at it. I've not seen any Antiques at all though, is there any rules to obtaining that modifier? Can I do amulets for this too or is it just rings?

>>6242304
"Items" is anything that isn't weapons or armor that your character can equip (gloves, boots, cloak, rings, amulet, hats/crowns, belts)

>>6242304
It's also totally random, list of enchantments:
http://tartarus.rpgclassics.com/mm6/enchantments.shtml

>>6242335
There any limiting factor on "Antique" before I continue? Asking because I tried around 50+ times and only saw the modifiers on the first half of that table and never the second half.

I have level 7 (expert) Water Magic.

>>6242360
Scratch that, finally happened.

>>6242373
Sell that
Buy more trash from stores
Enchant
Repeat
>do it before you resurrect because its not like enchanting gives xp

>>6242385
The stores were kinda barren and I managed to buy Water Walk, Town Portal and the Meditation skill for my three living party members, the last ring I just left as "Recover SP automatically" so I wouldn't keep having problems with my Cleric being out of SP.

Questions for anyone:
I stumbled upon making potions of +stats, is there an optimal point of time when I should use it, considering it's single use? In some games it's easier to gain stats early on but harder later, so I figure I should check.

I had other questions but I've forgotten them now.

>>6242424
Res will be cheaper the further east on the map you are (New Sorpigal, Ironfist)
Use those potions when you get them, no reason to wait. Really though, stats are not that important, skill points/levels/promotion quests are
http://pottsland.com/mm6/attributes2.shtml

>>6242128
Hope this damages allies in those hexes as well.

>>6242450
I hope it also stuns.

>>6236139
All the end game enemies have immunity to Mind and Body magic. Dual-wielding is broken if you don't have a patch

>>6242424
>Just found out I can't Water Walk from Misty Island to Bootleg Bay
Shit game, 0/10

Post looking at the new Tier 7 for Factory is up. Also centipede predators

>>6242832
really hoping they work on the sprites more, they look too clean

>>6242839
The Juggernauts look like the Heavenly Forge just spit them out and I'm not sure that "devastated Eeofolean wasteland" would be capable of doing that.
Armadillo and the worm thing look great though

>>6242734
Doesn't GrayFace's mod fix that?

>>6242832
The gunman seems a bit tall for a human, doesn't he?

Otherwise it looks good. The armadillos being totally quaint provides a much-needed balance to the more extravagant designs.

The Juggernauts look fine too. They're closer to sci-fi than steampunk which was probably the right choice.

>>6243280
The only thing that strikes me as off with the gunman (flame thrower guy?) is the long hair. Like you're going to burn your hair off dude
>t. worked in industry with such things
>beards also discouraged for this reason

>>6241886
so when do we get H3 mod with these units?
the buff Inferno needs

Local coffee shop has a spot where you can write on paper anything, and then hang it on the the ceiling, so i hanged this
Did i do good anons?

>>6244306
Sounds like a [balanced] coffee shop

>>6244306
The normies have to learn about the Cloak of the Balanced King sooner or later

>>6244306
Based and cloakpilled.

>>6242424
>I had other questions but I've forgotten them now.
Oh yeah I just remembered them:
2: How do you look up and down? I feel like there should be a way but I haven't figured it out yet. Also opening the character menu / inventory doesn't have a hotkey that I've found yet.
3: When does Poison Spray start to get good? Tried using it a bit, but it does about as much damage as Water Bolt with expert magic but for 4x the cost.
4: If I accidentally mix up my controls, think that I move with WASD for a moment and shoot Johnny Peasant in the face with a Water Bolt, is there any way to rectify the situation or am I going to have to reload?

>>6244453
I assume you have the grayface patch
https://grayface.github.io/mm/
It comes with free mouselook. Look at the mm6 control settings to change keys around. He also includes his control settings.

>>6244468
I did try to install the patch but I've no clue how to tell if it is installed or not.

No idea if anyone's interested in hearing about this newbie's exploits in MM6, but I'm always interested in this sort of thing when the situation is reversed so I'll post occasional stuff at least.

Just spent the day and half the night slaughtering my way through the islands for fun and profit, I remember talking to somebody who was telling me about all the followers of baa on these islands but I dunno if it was a quest, I wasn't paying proper attention.

Mostly just trying to kill time waiting for day to come so I can catch the ferry and move on somewhere else.

>>6244552
>Somehow, I've managed to lose Saturday in all of this
The fuck? It was Friday / just turned Saturday when I took that picture and now it's Sunday after I did a bit of shopping.

>>6244453
Look up/down is pg up/dn I think or the keys next to in
Poison Spray is for shotgunning monsters with elec resistance, otherwise use sparks
If you aggro villagers, leave the map, donate to temples to repair rep
I just did that quest in Mist for killing the Baa followers (Indian murder simulator, what gives NWC?), there isn't follow up, just loot the chests and hit the obelisk
If you lose days you may have trained at some point

MM6 guy here, by the way:
>http://tartarus.rpgclassics.com/mm6/enchantments.shtml
How do you get the better buffs like "of the Unicorn" or "of the Gods"? I've not seen anything better than +5 / +5 stats or +12 to one on a ring yet.

Would using better quality items help me? The level of my Water Magic? Upgrading to Master WM?

If none of those help, apparently doing it at noon / midnight helps and so does luck, but I've upgraded my luck by 17 or so points while doing it at exactly noon and seen zero difference in the quality I've been getting. As for phases of the moon which is apparently important, I've yet to figure out how to tell what phase it is.

Knowing what the bar is would keep me from wasting a lot of time.

>>6244702
Thanks, friend.

>>6244729
>Would using better quality items help me? The level of my Water Magic? Upgrading to Master WM?
Anecdotally, do this, I never noticed much of a difference with the equinox/moon phase/midnight stuff and you're bound to pull of the unicorn/gods out of loot somewhere

how not to get reckt in homm3
halp me i dumb

>>6244817
Perhaps you could give us a little more info on your circumstances?

>>6244824
I have just started getting into it, and whenever I try a scenario the AI has far more troops than me and I get killed and it is frustrating.

>>6244827
Perhaps a bit more info?

What faction are you playing as?
What are you doing each turn / what's your plan? etc

>>6244827
>>6244903
Oh, and by "AI", do you mean the static groups of monsters on the map, or the actual enemy heroes?

>>6244903
I try to buy as much soldiers as I can, then exploring / fighting monsters, then randomly upgrading the town. I don't know what faction I am playing as. I try to scout the area with two heroes, but I struggle to have a big army, and sometimes when I fight a big pack of monsters I die and I buy the hero back but he does not have any troop anymore so I have to wait till the end of the week before buying a small army back.
In the end the enemy heroes arrive with their big armies and I die again.

>>6244968
>I don't know what faction I am playing as
Name one unit type you're able to buy and I can give you some slightly more specific tips from that as I'll be able to figure out what faction you're playing as.

Until then, here's some incredibly newbie tips:
You want two heroes to start, buy a second on the first or second day if you can.
The creatures that block the early areas (like the lumber mill and ore mine) are generally the weakest ones and you should beat them easily enough. The rest is a matter of learning what unit can do what so you only take on the fights you can win.
A simple strategy you can use is to get one / several small stacks of shooters (ranged units) with something to meat shield / clean up for them. If the opponent is a group of slow moving melee units that shouldn't be too hard to win, fast moving melee units and fliers are harder, and if the stack is a group of shooters then ideally you want to counter them with quick flying units and/or spells, because most ranged units can only attack at half power if an enemy group of units is next to them.

If you need something more specific, just ask.

>>6244968
Ok, first learn what town you are using
Next, learn creatures and their levels (1-7), especially which ones are ranged. Avoid fighting those early. Minimize losses. Split off some of your level 1 units into stacks of 1, use them to block or soak enemy retaliation before hitting them with your main stack. Don't be afraid to magic arrow shit if you have a spellbook. Use your scout hero to flag mines and collect resources, give him a single unit with the fastest speed you have available.
Mostly it's going to be getting the hang of knowing what you can fight, then knowing the optimal build order/strategy for your town.
>some heroes are vastly superior to others, most towns have a standout, except Inferno, widely considered the worst faction

How the fuck do I get into blobbers like MM? I feel like you need a walkthrough just to make characters, everythinf has this obscurity about it. Are you supposed to just grind?

>>6245196
You start as a 12 year old inching through dungeons and 20 years later you blitz everything and ask questions later like:
>do druids benefit from both int and personality?
I would say yes, there's one part in MM7 that discourages fighting (light side trial) but mostly you figure out the most efficient way to kill shit and keep doing it until you finish

>>6245196
Seems like the devs intended for you to just keep throwing yourself at them until something works.

How difficult is it to get the Crystal of Terrax out of
Corlagon's Estate? There some minimum threshold I should grind for elsewhere before I even try?

>>6245218
The only thing i remember off the top of my head is that the ghosts in there can age you but sparks should get you through

>>6244729
>using better quality items
Doesn't matter as long as you can enchant them.
>level of my Water Magic
Only influences chance to enchant successfully.
>Master WM
Only gives you ability to enchant weapons.
>apparently doing it at noon / midnight helps and so does luck
Pure bullshit.
>Knowing what the bar is would keep me from wasting a lot of time.
http://mm6world.ru/6_modif.htm
Everything up to tier 4 (second column) enchantment with expert Water. Maximum stat bonus for enchanting is +12.

>>6245246
>http://mm6world.ru/6_modif.htm
>Everything up to tier 4 (second column) enchantment with expert Water. Maximum stat bonus for enchanting is +12.
Thanks, though difficult to understand even with Google Translate.
"Level of things"?

>>6245246
>up to tier 4
Or was is GM water in MM7 up to tier 4? Scratch that, up to tier 3 then.

>>6244306
It's perfect.

Total HoMM beginner here. How many heroes should I be using in a campaign? I feel like I'm wasting a lot of time going back and forth between towns to replenish units.

>>6244968
Get an idea of how hard the neutral armies will be. Homm gives the neutral stacks adjectives like "pack" "horde" "several" instead of telling you exactly how many there are which would be boring.

Monsters are your currency and strength. So you want to summon them all, grab up a few extra from new heroes, get them from creature banks, win them with diplomacy, or turn them into your skeles.

You do have limited gold and resources, so you have to balance buying all the monsters with buying expensive buildings to buy better monsters.

So work on winning battles without a bunch of your monsters dying, nabbing enemy castles, and all that. For as much as there is to it, homm3 is a pretty simple game with a fair bit of luck. This type of game is more enjoyable when you're learning the ropes, so maybe curb the difficulty setting a little bit and just have fun. You'll get good naturally.

>>6245539
Probably at least twice as many as you think. Whoever has the bulk of your army should rarely be picking up items on the map, they should be fighting with it or carting the army over to someone else. Use whoever has your army to clear enemies and your other heroes to scout, lick up resources, and set up a chain to bring units in on new weeks. You don't need to only use your "main" hero to fight with your army either, you can fight with them then transfer them off when you're low on movement and have someone else fight with the army so you're clearing more in less time.

This is all meta talk though, in the end you should just respond to things as they come and just enjoy the game without getting caught up in 100% optimal play.

Forget about cowboy town for a moment. Help me come up with starting skills for my boy.

1. poaches
2. branded as an outcast because using traps is unhonourable
3. wrestles basilisks and hydras to prove he's not a wuss
4. still poaches
5. other lizardmen are scared of him

>>6244306
guy who originally took that screenshot here.

That's the nicest thing anyone has ever given me. Thanks.

>>6238409
The random generator is funny like that sometimes.

>>6246060
>Do a shitty meme redraw
>Get this response
This is more than i expected

Ah yes, time for my yearly attempt and miserable failure at playing M&M games

>>6246306
Based

>>6246312
Someyear I'm going to finally beat one of those games

>>6246317
I have only played 6-9, 7 I think is easiest

>>6246335
This of course excluding some bullshit party compositions in 8

>>6246335
>>6246337
I would have to understand the gameplay first, which is the hardest for me.

>>6246416
1. Figure out which stats are irrelevant per class, dump them and max the relevant ones (Intellect useless for clerics, personality useless for sorcerers). Speed is always nice, so is endurance.
2. Get bows ASAP by any means necessary
3. Mow down monsters in the starting area
4. Use that money to buy skills and spells

I can give more specific advice for the games if you want

>>6246436
>Engage combat
>Die instantly because I'm still not used to the controls and don't even know how to combat
This happened the last time i played, i guess I'm gonna try asking for specific advice when i finally get to playing again
I'm thinking on trying 8 this time, is it a bad idea?

>>6246485
>I'm thinking on trying 8 this time, is it a bad idea?
Despite only starting with one character, probably not since the pirates around the volcano respawn and there are NPC guards that fight them so you can get the hang of it. I don't know if there is a patch that modernizes the movement scheme for VIII, I still play the old way.
Make sure to use turn based combat.

>>6246065
He was riding the ore cart like a boat

>>6246561
And he was the stones

Fuckin hota man.
Had to reinstall to get 1.6.1 hoping it would fix this bug, not only is it still there but my main hero's skills are so glitched I can't open his inventory without crashing.
I'm sick of feeling huge gratitude and being really impressed only to realise I'm a naive sucker.
I hate to add even more support requests to this already overloaded thread but anyone got any ideas or managed to fix this shit?

>>6246065
Maybe he was building an island of ore.

>>6246029
pathfinding
+350g
serpent fly units

too bad mine is the only trap-like spell

Anyone want to help me make sense of this machine translated nonsense? Only the Russians have figured out how Enchanting in MM6 works it seems.

The main thing that has be baffled in the column marked "Level of things" in the first half. I can't figure out what it is exactly that raises that value from say a 3 to a 6.

The second half is talking about items themselves, not sure how relevant it is but I included a snippet of it just in case.

>>6246674
Can you give a link to the raws?

>>6246680
http://mm6world.ru/6_modif.htm
http://mm6world.ru/6_items.htm

Was linked earlier in the thread.

>>6246674
Items are assigned a level. Tougher monsters drop higher level items. The Prima Guide monster tables would list this as (5% L5 sword) for its chance of dropping

For a real example, I believe "Vampire Bat" is listed at 5% L1 ring

>>6246674
>>6246683
Items can be generated by monsters, stores and chests by an item generators which have different tiers from 1 to 6. If an item generated by a specific tier it is assigned the level (tier of equipment) L1 to L6 respectively.
The green column in enchanting table refers to that L of equipment.
L's of items given in this tables:
http://mm6world.ru/6_monsters.htm - loot for monsters (yellow column after percent in third block)
http://mm6world.ru/6_services.htm#shop - lists L's of items which can be sold in shops.
Can't find one for dungeons yet.

>>6246695
>>6246697
>>6246708
My mind is breaking somewhere and struggling to wrap itself around what's being said for some reason.

Uhhh, I guess I'll ask a couple of questions and see if that can make it click for me.
Is the item level random? Like, could a specific ring get generated as level 3, 4 or 5 and you just have to figure out which one it is? What controls the item level if not that?

>>6246719
Yes, the same items could have different L's (tiers).
In your picture which you posted, look at the second one.
The last block - The chance of occurrence - lists a probability of an item spawning in a specific item generator (1 to 6) respectively.
Longsword can be generated as L1 with probability of 5%, L2-5%, L3-2% and their stats and appearance would be same.

>>6246719
Item level is fixed per item. Sparkling ring is always L1, Scarab Ring is always L6
Stores will carry level appropriate items. For example, New Sorpigal will always sell L1 weapons and armor. Castle Ironfist has an L1 bow shop and also has I believe a L2-3 weapon and armor shop closer to the castle. Free Haven has a L2-3 bow shop. Mist has an L1-2 spear shop.
Likewise, monsters have a fixed level of items they can drop, but it means they can drop UP TO that level of item. A cuisinart in Warlord's Fortress can drop Golden Plate, but he can also drop regular plate and anything in between.
This is 15 year old recollection, so it isnt precise, but I hope it helps.

>>6246724
>Longsword can be generated as L1 with probability of 5%, L2-5%, L3-2% and their stats and appearance would be same.
But, but, how the fuck does this make sense?? How are you meant to tell them apart? What the fuck do they generate as the other 88% of the time? It's this sort of conundrum that is frying my brain.

>>6246727
Uhhhh, in that case I guess I'll ask: Where would be a good place to get my hands on level 5 (or 6) rings / gauntlets / helmets etc? If you remember that much, I'm assuming you also remember a good place to go for this sort of stuff.

>>6246732
88% of the time is no drop at all
>L1 Longsword
>L2 Warrior's Sword
>L3 Crusader Sword
Dragonsand and Paradise Valley are probably the best places for high end loot

>>6246740
88% of the time there is no drop from what exactly? It doesn't list a specific monster to go with that chart or anything and I doubt I'll find Long Swords from Apprentice Mages. Also where does it say that reg Longswords are L1, Warriors are L2, etc?

The rows of green numbers are especially bamboozling me, there's too much conflicting information going on here for me to properly comprehend it.

>>6235663
How do you anons feel about WoG vs HOTA for homm3? I've heard good things about both, but HOTA seems more popular.

>>6246748
Just play the game and stop worrying about it bro
>>6246751
I never played WoG because teenage me thought the reuse of Disciples assets sucked. Overall I really like HoTA and the new town (Cove), though I dislike some of the random map generator aspects introduced and the change to Resistance (which is being changed back tyvm) and while I am not thrilled on theme of the new town I am not worried about where it comes in balance wise. It does introduce nerfs to Necropolis and Conflux, and level 2 creatures generally were buffed which makes some heroes more viable and I like that

>>6246748
I just writing what is listed at that site. It is not written in details how item generators work. I translated what is written there.
I listed a monster chart before.
>http://mm6world.ru/6_monsters.htm - loot for monsters (yellow column after percent in third block)
I can not find any information about item generators on english sites in general so everything there are speculations of fans.
Yes, it is not noted at that page what exactly is that green table, maybe it lists item generators for chests and there are separate item generators for armor, weapons and so on. There are no mentions of dungeon loot generation so maybe it is that one.

Just a thought, but what should be my go to in MM6 for opening chests? Telekenisis? Should I invest in the relevant skill for it (mind?)

>>6246981
Mind is a really weak school and you might be better off skilling disarm trap, especially since the expert trainer is at Castle Ironfist

>>6246732
>But, but, how the fuck does this make sense?
In e.g. Master Swordsman loot (L3 Swords) you have 10% chance to get
Longsword 2% of the time
Warrior Sword - 5%
Crusader Sword - 10%
Champion Sword - 10%
Two-Handed Sword - 10%
Great Sword - 5%
Broadsword - 2%
Steel Broadsword - 10%
Cutlass - 2%
Pirate Cutlass - 5%
Master Cutlass - 2%
and fucking nothing - 37% of the time.
Or something like that.

>>6246981
Telekenesis is the same at rank 1 normal as rank 60 master. The only reason to go into mind is for Cure Paralysis and Cure Insanity, but those are low priority and even if you get them don't go past expert. The disarm skill works fine and is easily worth getting.

so I installed this horn of the abyss mod but how do I install WoG? I downloaded "wog revised" from this link http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=39062
and extracted it to my heroes 3 complete folder, what else do I need to do?

>>6247769
Unfortunately Horn of the Abyss and WOG are not compatible.

>>6247785
well, I have isntalled era 2 now and basically that doesn't even work, I thought I could have both of these mods but seperate or what? era 2 gives me two different errors.

>>6246029
>cowboy lizard
>even wears the hat
Based.

If he's wrestling Hydras like an absolute chad how about a combat skill which reflects that, such as Offense or Armorer? Otherwise I suppose a poacher would also know about Scouting or maybe First Aid.

>>6235663
What are some good maps for 3 & 5? I've only played the vanilla ones.

>>6247954
The Empire of the World 1-3

>>6247000
>>6247546
Honestly, not the answer I was expecting at all.

I figured Telekinesis would be undoubtedly better as I assume it'd work on any trap at all as long as I can stand far enough back, while any points invested in the discipline would be useful for the other 10 spells if nothing else - while disarm trap only does that one thing.

>>6247785
HoTA is shit anyways, only slav spergs plays it

>>6248218
>only slav spergs plays it
So just like 80% of the active HoMM playerbase?

>>6248385
But those are virgin autists whereas I'm a Chad who only replays Arrogance on 130% and posts skeletal on /v/ once a month to be comfy.

so when am i supposed to switch from a all-bow party to using other weapons like swords and daggers in M&M6?

>>6248428
Why would you need to "switch" from bows? You can have both bow and melee weapons equipped.

>>6248386
>Arrogance on 130% and posts skeletal on /v/ once a month
tbqh, that a pretty chad thing to do.

>>6246751
Overall i think i liked WoG better, but that's because the commanders were straight up busted.
I think it would be played more if it had a built-in ranked system like hota does.

For how many scenarios are you usually able to carry heroes over? I'm doing the very first campaign in Restoration of Erathia and I already want to start over since I'm not sure if I'm building them properly. I really hate having to spend 40 more turns than normal to clear the scenario just to get to all the +1 locations on the map.

>>6248707
>For how many scenarios are you usually able to carry heroes over?
If I recall correctly, you get to keep your five best heroes up to the last mission of Long Live the Queen. Liberation, Song of the Father, Long Live the King and Seeds of Discontent should be the same in that regard.
In Dungeons and Devils and Spoils of War, however, you have to choose which one of two possible factions (Inferno or Dungeon and Fortress and Stronghold, respectively) you want to use for the last mission. So, pick one faction to invest into and don't bother with buffing the other one.

>>6248718
>up to the last mission of Long Live the Queen
How many missions are there? That's what I want to know.

I'm out of touch, can you guys give me a quick rundown on factory units and their gimmicks?

>>6248728
>How many missions are there? That's what I want to know.
Here's the full list of ROE campaigns and scenarios:

Long Live the Queen: Homecoming | Guardian Angels | Griffin Cliffs
Dungeons and Devils: A Devilish Plan | Groundbreaking | Steadwick's Fall
Spoils of War: Borderlands | Goldrush | Greed
Liberation: Steadwick's Liberation | Deal with the Devil | Neutral Affairs | Tunnels & Troglodytes
Song of the Father: Safe Passage | United Front | For King and Country
Long Live the King: A Gryphon's Heart | Season of Harvest | Corporeal Punishment | From Day to Night
Seeds of Discontent: The Grail | The Road Home | Independence

>>6247954
Malagorn the Savior is a classic.

>>6248707
If you're min/maxing you can absolutely do that and have gods for the rest of the campaign, but it's not really necessary, especially in that fist Castle campaign. Just build a good enough team.

MM6 anon here, this hellhole is all I've been doing all day. Spark can just about kill an Evil Spirit with a really good hit, but Specters are a nightmare to deal with and I've just been inching my way through this place.

God, I can't wait to be out of here. I'd also like to get Master Water Magic but that's another 3 levels away.

>>6249282
Yeah, gonna be leaving here sooner than I anticipated.

In a bodybag.

Might as well ask, in MM6 is it better to get increased knockback on a bow, or one of the elements? If an element then which one?

>>6249480
Elements and whatever you can get

>>6248835
>quick rundown on factory units and their gimmicks

>Tier 1
Halfling - you know those guys
Upg. Halfling - Always positive luck. Shell shock: counterattack

>Tier 2
Mechanic / Upg. Mechanic: can repair Juggernaut and other machine units

>Tier 3
Armadillo / Upg. Armadillo - N/A

>Tier 4
Not revealed.

>Tier 5
Centipede - N/A

>Tier 6
Riflemen: Ranged attack. Pre-emptive shot: instant pre-emptive attack (once per round)
Headhunter: Ranged attack. Duelist: unlimited instant pre-emptive attack

>Tier 7
Juggernaut - has a special ranged sweeping attack (something like Cyclops in HoMMV)
>http://heroescommunity.com/viewthread.php3?TID=39830&pagenumber=399
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=23&v=FManzZ9JIwQ&feature=emb_title

>>6249480
Another question: If Spark is to be my main mode of attack, what level of Air Magic should I be aiming for exactly? If I should be getting bigger guns for stuff like Dragons eventually, what should it be?
I cast resurrection on the thread.

>>6250652
Thanks, m8. I think tier 4 will be some kind of a flier.

>>6250736
With unlimited retalition and ranged pre-emptive strike

>>6250652
>instant pre-emptive attack

What is that?

>>6250823
Something that shouldn't be added to HoMM3

>>6250823
>What is that?
It sounds like they get to counterattack before getting damaged. I do hope that's not true because that sounds OP as fuck, but then again, that's what you can expect with 'donut steel' type of factions.

There's MOUNTAINS of evidence of cowboys in Eeofol before the Night of Shooting Stars!
>crickets

>>6250823
Sounds like the Bush doctrine shit from H4 where you retaliate before you're attacked, First Strike or whatever it was called.

>Get master water magic
>Town Portal can only go to half a dozen towns because most don't have fountains or something
>Get Fly and master air magic
>"Oh hay did we mention there's now towers that shoot you down if you fly?"
>Want to get Nicholai back so I can visit the castle again
>"The circus has moved on" fucking everywhere
Kill me now, just make it painless.

>>6251091
>Walk to Mire of the Damned since I don't really have any other option, might as well pilgrimage to the shrine
>Should be fine, I'll get there for the 29th
>Arrive
>Hear noises
>Cast Wizard's Eye
>I'm in the middle of a massive pack of Skeletons and Ghosts + the upgraded versions
>Spend 20 irl minutes backpedaling and killing them all off with Sparks
>Save
>Realise it's now July 1st for some reason

This campaign is bullshit, but I love it.

>>6250837
Minotaurs retaliate preemptively in Ubishit's games. It's not that OP and it's basically the only interesting mechanic that worked with flanking in VII but the problem is that Minotaurs weren't a ranged unit. Knowing HotA though they'll probably nerf something else about Factory into the ground in an attempt at looking like they ain't playing favorites.

>>6251294
Is it really that hard?

>>6251416
Not that hard as simply bullshit factor.
So far the "Defender" mission was the most ridiculous.
Otherwise it is just a fair challenge.

>>6251454
So what do you mean by ridiculous/bullshit?

>>6251487
- facing black dragons
- enemy uses dimension door
- 1v3 missions

>>6251494
So it's easier than homm3 sod campaigns, right?

>>6251258
>Try to find time to kill
>"Let's try to do Gharik's Forge since I found the key for that place and have a quest for it."
>10 min later
>"Fuck that."
Is there anything I can do that doesn't feel like a massive chore? Where's the part supposed to happen when I suddenly start getting powerful and blasting my way through all enemies and obstacles with minimal trouble?

>>6251616
Ancient weapon skill

>>6251620
Is there any spell I can substitute to get a good effect a bit earlier on? I'm running SSSC but even level 10 master Air Magic spamming spark doesn't feel that good against anything but weaker groups of enemies.

>>6251636
You are supposed to be humping them before hitting them with the shotgun. Your advantage is speed and mana cost
If sparks doesn't seem to be hitting like it should switch to poison spray
Gharik's Forge is also probably one of the first difficulty spikes in the game
>it's before the 4 Castles right?

>>6251636
Here have the ANCIENT SECRET WISDOM OF ARCHADBALD
https://mm6.wiki/w/Monsters_chart

>>6251648
>You are supposed to be humping them before hitting them with the shotgun.
I am, but intermediate enemies are taking 2 or 3 each at least and it's only going to go up from there. The devs absolutely love enemy spam which makes it worse. Also fuck them spawning enemies in previous areas you've just passed through.
>If sparks doesn't seem to be hitting like it should switch to poison spray
Currently working on getting my other two sorcs up to 12 Water Magic for master so that's a real option.
>>it's before the 4 Castles right?
What?

>>6235663
Not adding Forge killed HoMM.

>>6251663
>>>it's before the 4 Castles right?
>What?
That's a yes then
After you do the council quests the Oracle will send you on one of the OG "GO FOUR PLACES GET FOUR ITEMS" quests and that's the next difficulty spike.

>>6251687
Right now I'm level 16 and just puttering about trying to find time to kill while I wait for the circus to come back. Did a bunch of easy quests early on, even managed to get Arch Wizard though it was a struggle. Can't get the Cleric promotion done though because I need to drop off the damsel in distress first but can't do that currently.

As for places for me to go, all the harpies are pissing me off since the spark balls are pretty shitty against them and fire archers are hellish to deal with in groups of more than two. I'm mostly just doing the temple of baa in Ironfist and twiddling my thumbs struggling to figure out what to do next.

>>6251698
>As for places for me to go, all the harpies are pissing me off since the spark balls are pretty shitty against them and fire archers are hellish to deal with in groups of more than two. I'm mostly just doing the temple of baa in Ironfist and twiddling my thumbs struggling to figure out what to do next.
Congrats getting through Corlagon's Estate. Temple of Baa is simple in comparison. Also around that area/level consider doing the Dwarven Mines, Dragoons Cavern, Shadow Guild Hideout, any of the Bootleg Bay quests/dungeons (Hall of the Fire Lord has a pretty obnoxious layout and is skippable), and sounds like you already did Silver Helm Outpost. After that I think you're close to doing Warlord's Fortress and the White Cap promotion/council quests.

>>6251730
>Congrats getting through Corlagon's Estate
Yeah, it was an entire day of suffering I don't want to go through again. It's part of why now I'm looking for shortcuts to power I may be missing out on.

Will check out some of the places you mentioned tomorrow, cheers.

>>6251749
>It's part of why now I'm looking for shortcuts to power
It's putting Lloyd's Beacon in front of the New Sorpigal temple and going back and forth from wherever you're fighting

>>6251770
Wouldn't Town Portal get me there just as easily?

Also, should I be investing into the bow skill at all? How about the light and dark magic skills, there anything worthwhile in there?

>>6251535
Were the sod campaigns really this hard? I remember them being challenging, but not bullshit.

>>6251778
>Wouldn't Town Portal get me there just as easily?
Town portal is one way, you can set a beacon in dungeons and teleport back.
I started an SSSC right after you did, my first in approximately 20 years of this bullshit. I think bow is frowned upon because the strength of the build requires all available skillpoints (and I've fucked up a little to the point I almost want to restart. But benefits of bow master are
>faster shots
>double shots
>only requires Rank 8 and the Battle Mage (archer) promotion quest
Cons are:
>outclassed by virtually everything by the end of the game
Your real big benefits on light and dark magic (very expensive gold/mana wise) are Day of the Gods and Hour of Power for Light and Day of Protection/Shrapmetal/Dragon's Breath for Dark.
>in fact one of my fuck ups was not going to Blackshire for these skills after hitting the NWC Dungeon, which is easter egg/power gaming/cheating in some regards.
My run I have done Abandoned Temple->Goblinwatch->Mist teleporter->Knight promotion in Free Haven->Shadow Guild->Temple of Baa->Lord Kilburn's shield (NEVER TALK TO PRINCE NICOLAI)
Temple of Baa is where you should learn to fight and use the map to your advantage (there is a secret door behind the altar, good luck.)

>>6251938
>Town portal is one way, you can set a beacon in dungeons and teleport back.
What I mean is, setting a beacon in the dungeon and using TP to leave. Using two beacon slots seems like a waste.

>>6251938
>the strength of the build requires all available skillpoints
Also this worries me a lot, because I'm half yoloing this. I know to raise Water and Air, and eventually bodybuilding / meditation, but I'm unsure how far or what else too - I'm just playing it by ear.

>>6251918
Well, one-way teleporters to your castle and enemy castles which were protected by those keymaster tents were pretty bullshit.

>>6251967
Once you master those, work on mastering Light/Dark (this has a reputation requirement), once you've done that, fill out everything else then back to putting points into the spell school of your choice

>>6251668
No, not adding Forge killed M&M as a whole

>>6248168
I remember in 8 there are a couple chests that you can't get enough distance from. Don't remember if any of them were storyline-necessary, or the other games... be interested if anyone has the answer.

>>6242160
take. that. BACK.

Thoughts on the Factory lineup so far? I really like the Juggernaut, Gunslinger and the metal centipide. Armadillo seems a bit off, wish that it resembled a pangolin more than a dinosaur. Hobbits are kinda out of place desu. And the engineer/flamethrower gal although cool in concept is just plain shitty model that doesn't seem to fit in at all. Curious to see what pic related monster will be, looks like some frankenstein alchemic amalgam of various bits and parts of different animals.

>>6251972
True, but what i liked to do was:
>Restart map until i get wisdom + earth
>Save
>Rush Mage Guild lvl4 to see if there's a town portal
>If there is, reload the save and play normalny
>If there isn't, restart the scenario again.
And anyway, weren't the enemy-only teleporters a thing in literally every other campaign map in IV? And you couldn't get a town portal there so easily. I think i struggled more in IV.

>>6251454
Yeah, Defender felt the nastiest of the Roland maps. I suppose dealing with the barbarians last is the correct move? I tried to wipe them out first, but doing that let the knights and necromancers expand thus taking an eternity and a half to defeat.

>>6252859
That's the map I'm currently stuck on. It's a fucking bitch. I can't hold down enough resources and always get spread out way too thin. I think you're suppose to explore the ocean. There's a ton of free resources in there.

>>6252869
I replayed the campaiigns recetnly and yeah, Roland's campaign felt a lot harder than Archiebald's. I realized after nearly completing this map that there were lots of dwarves on the west border to quickly bolster your forces.

>>6249286
Pretty sure you can grab what you're looking for in the chest behind him. He falls easily to a KKKC party though, what a nerd!

>>6252824
Yeah, some campaigns were pretty hard here, chaos for example.

>>6252907
I mean, that's kind of exactly what I did. I hid around the corner killing his few minions with spark balls, grabbed the chest and tanked the trap damage, then yeeted myself out of there as quick as possible.

>>6252916
Ran a SSSC party myself last year although not to completion. If you can't deal with Gharik's forge yet, try to do the Dungeons in Free Haven for stuff/XP. I didn't do that myself and instead skipped most of the enemies in the forge by running through and tanking their shots. The place pretty much hard counters any party without at least two knights in it, I find (breezed through with KKKD). You can skip most of the switch puzzle in that rectangular chamber with the lava floor with the Jump spell (you can 'glide' along the wall for extra distance)
Lightning/Ice Bolts do decent damage for their cost at 10 skill, or so I hear.

>>6252909
God, Chaos was a nightmare. It had my second favourite story, though.

How am I supposed to learn high level spells if I don't have Wisdom on my heroes? Did I get meme'd on by this shitty reddit secondary skill tier list? I built a level 5 mage tower but my heroes aren't taking the spells with them despite having a spellbook, only the low level ones.

Just playing the Horn of the Abyss mod for the first time, and I've noticed I'm not getting any resources per day other than wood & stone, + 1 gem because tower.

Not getting any mercury, sulphur, etc, despite having the relevant place flagged. What's wrong?

>>6253016
you got meme'd lol; Wisdom is essential for anything beyond Slow

>>6253046
what is that anus between armor and leadership

>>6253026
never heard of this happening, are you using the latest release 1.6.1? Restart game if not I would reinstall

>>6252789
no one in the mood for some theorycrafting? ._.

>>6253046
Thanks. I'll have to be more careful when picking secondary skills since apparently in homm3 there's no way to unlearn them. I'll avoid witch huts from now on.

>>6253047
your mom's vagina

https://heroes.thelazy.net/index.php/Interference

>>6253052
In HotA you get an option to choose whether you learn the skill when visiting a Witch's Hut or declining. One of the many quality of life improvements hota crew implemented in the game.

>>6253056
>Only available when the unofficial expansion, Horn of the Abyss, is installed.
Cringe

>>6253050
>never heard of this happening, are you using the latest release 1.6.1? Restart game if not I would reinstall
Latest release yes.

If it helps: I'm playing multiplayer (ally is getting the same problem) and the map is "Loss of Innocence (allies). Maybe a unique thing about the map? I'm lost on this desu.

>>6253060
Cringe all you want, it is a superb expansion regardless of it being fanmade, literally the standard today and what is played on tournaments. Best thing that happened to heroes in years.

>>6253063
dunno bro, head over their discord and ask, good folks there will know

https://discord.gg/TyrkhY6

>>6253068
>discord
Would really rather not, but I will later if I can muster up the ability to not want to kms

>>6253046
What spells go best with Earth Magic / Air Magic, since they're rated so highly?

>>6252789
>Thoughts on the Factory lineup so far?
The only unit I like is the Dreadnought/Juggernaut, although I would like it more if the laser attack was only given to the upgraded version.
Mechanic/Flamethrower seems kinda promising, mostly because she can fix mechanical units and also because we haven't seen just whether her attack damages more than one tile.
Armadillo doesn't look like an armadillo at all, rather some sort of a deformed triceratops (check pic for how the armadillo looked in M&M Clouds of Xeen), though they may have some unique abilities related to them rolling.
Halflings are thematically not suited for the faction although the mechanic of canceling a units counterattack sounds OP as fuck.
Similarly, Riflemen/Headhunters are just regular dudes (though the same could be said for Cavaliers) with another OP ability.
Mechanic/Flamethrower seems kinda promising, mostly because we haven't seen just whether her attack damages more than one tile.
Centipedes are really unique and actually fit the environment, but I can't say anything else about them.

>>6253070
Slow/haste
Then dimension door/fly and town portal
There's also a couple of other good spells but those are like the main reason those magic schools are so good

>>6253070
>kms
bro pls no

>spells
pic related should give you the idea

>>6253046
Note that this list is for competitive multiplayer autists who play on ginormous maps. Against AI the skills you take don't matter nearly as much apart some challenge maps.
Also it's HOTA stuff and I don't know what that changes.

>>6253081
true, but still holds even for games vs AI or casual players; although many skills were rebalanced for HotA and for the better, digging them out of the absolute uselessness ditch and nerfing the brutally OP ones like Necromancy.

>>6253068
Oh something to mention:
It doesn't seem like we're getting "no resources per turn", but rather we have an natural modifier of -1 to each resource per turn with a min(?) of 0 per turn, so +2 per turn becomes +1, +1 per turn becomes 0, etc.

>>6253064
>played on tournaments
>jebus cross and creature bank spam

>>6253090
sounds more like a map modifier to me than an actual error, but as I said, hota autists will know for sure.

>>6253091
>saying that as if it is a bad thing

>>6253071
Yeah Juggernaut really does shine. Gunslingers I like as a concept and they have that cool feel to them, so hard to go wrong. They really didn't do justice to the armadillo, regardless of how good is the animation and the model itself. Centipede is also very cool too and hobbits should remain neutral, with hats they look just ridiculous. The mechanic girl is cool as an idea for a field mechanic that "heals and resurrects" automatons but I don't like the design. It looks too plain and not fantastic at all, making it stand out among the other creatures in the game. Wish they listen to feedback and change stuff for the better.

>>6253107
Yeah creature banks that give giants are pretty fucking retarded

>>6253076
>>6253070
resurrection and animate dead aren't permanent unless you have expert earth magic. That alone makes it necessary.

>>6253134
Oh, yeah, i forgot about these because i never fucking get them in my mage guilds

>>6252789
Design-wise the lineup is all over the place, but the color palette helps holding it together.

So basically like Tower.

>>6253160
>DUDE THE KREEGAN JUST DESTROYED EVERYTHING
>DUDE IT'S OK ME AND THIS ARMADILLO INVENTED RIFLING AND A PERPETUAL MOTION MACHINE
???

>>6252789
Midget bombers with bowlers hats, flamethrower engineers, giant leeches and big robot with heat ray is all good, not entirely set on cowboys yet, armadillo better have some cool ability to compensate because it doesn't look cool or intimidating, still need confirmation on last creature, wyvern looking things appeared on older screenshots, maybe they've been replaced with leeches.

>>6253203
>DUDE THE KREEGAN JUST GENOCIDED OUR HOBBIT HOLES
>DUDE IT'S OK I STARTED MAKING HATS
???

>>6253223
>t. Jealous because he doesn't have a hat

>>6252789
>Thoughts on the Factory lineup so far?
Far more creative than Cove which was an unmitigated disaster.

>Tfw my drive died
>Tfw a map i spent 10 hours creating and was almost done is unrecoverably gone

>>6253408
Stop trolling

>>6252859
>>6252869
>>6252889
Pick Summon Earth Element.
What to do with sorceress:
1. With Halton take gold on the right.
2. Build stonehenge, build ship, recruit everything, send sorceress to ship.
3. Just nearby there is magellan, buy map, it should take two turns to land near barbarian castle on the south.
3a. You can safely plan taking 2 chests in the ocean.
4. When landed, you should conquer the empty castles with 4 ogres. You will lose 1 or 2 druids. Save mana for elemental.
5. Either wait till green is banished or defend castle. Prepare towers. WARNING: Green has genies too.
Halton:
1. Pick the artefact near castle, might be guarded, but 5 genies will one hit kill.
2. Split genies 3-2 and rush north, disregard everything.
2a. Optionally neutral at alchemist lab might join. Consider it.
3 You will face one of the enemies. Most likely red hero Wyrm. Take him out and go east and capture red Necromancer castle. Wait till they are banished or defend castle.
4. Then face yellow, which is a true bitch.
Meantime:
1. You have fuckton of cash before you get resources. I recruited 3 heroes. With one focus gathering dwarves on west border. Rest will pick stuff.
2. Consider 4th hero to roam the sea and pick fuckton of gold and extra artifacts.
3. I actually disregarded second camp, until enough resouces.
4. Halton should never lose more than one genie.

Final note:
It will work for the 5th/6th attempt.

Looking for a cool casual HOMM3 map I can do, if anyone knows one.

Ideally looking for something with lots of artifacts and spells / skills for my heroes to learn, but not one of those custom made puzzle maps with ridiculous numbers of units - I'm asking for a standard style map that comes with either the base (complete) game or hota.

>>6253489
http://www.heroes3maps.com/map/1814-ultima

>>6253493
My eyes just got wide when I realised what this map was.

>>6253191
M&M lore is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural

>>6253428
>Tfw a map i spent 10 hours creating and was almost done is unrecoverably gone
That and whatever else you had on your drive, which I hope wasn't a lot. Go to the repair shop and see if they can save some of the data.

I'm having a seriously hard time getting into 6. The aesthetics is right up my alley but the gameplay is so god damn boring. I think what's putting me of is it feels like one of those games that isn't shy about fucking you over without you even realizing it but it could all just be in my head.

>>6253489
"Dead Man's Tales" from HotA has a lot of exploration while still being fairly standard gameplay-wise. It's also the prettiest map of the HotA lineup.

There's a lot of dwellings and big armies but it's closer to the maps of the Armageddon's Blade campaign, and less like let's say "Empire of the World" or "Time of Testing" ...

>>6253046
Unless I'm blind, Resistance isn't on this list.

>>6253604
It is not, got changed for a new skill called Interference and Resistance is now banned by default. Interference lowers opposing hero's spellpower by 10/20/30; essentially Armorer vs spells. So you get flat protection instead of a dice roll.

>>6253796
They should've combined the two. Have a chance at completely resisting a spell but if it fails you just reduce the opponents spellpower.

>>6253796
Who the fuck is Giselle?

>>6253408
To be fair, I agree with the sentiment that Cove lineup is bad. I don't mind the way the town plays, it is just that the creature roster feels quite disjointed and themes that different troops bring don't fit all that well. Here is my 2 cents:
>Nymph/Oceaonids - Pixie water elementals, utterly meh, though I get they might be representing the sea that pirates love so much (and now can have sex with). A redesign of the unit visually might improve this slot, otherwise it can be freed for something better.
>Crew Mate/Seaman - for the love of God why didn't they call the upgrade Mariner or something. Okayish I guess, would work better as lvl.1; you get to kill niggers now (cool?!?)
>Pirate/Corsair/Sea Dog - best out of the bunch, signature unit of the town, no remarks here
>Stormbird/Ayssids - biggest fault here that I find is that the bird is of the reptilian, not feathery kind. I think the town could do away with the lizard theme altogether and be leagues better off. Just make it into an awesome bird and you're good.
>Sea Witch/Sorceress - a bit bland, fantasy gypsy thing isn't working all that much for me. Visual rework might do wonders in this slot as well, maybe this is where ocean spirits might actually come in?
>Nix/Nix Warrior - seems filler tier as far as the art design goes, although unit is tanky af and cool, not!lizardmen is just not gonna cut it. Not liking it, would either go for a shark-themed creature or something else from the sea, as it is now, it is just overlapping with Fortress and the end result (with all due respect towards the diligent HotA devs) kinda sucks
Sea Serpent/Haspid - absolute meh; the only lvl. 7 unit that is totally disappointing both visually and thematically. Free this slot for something better, there are more than enough mythic creatures from the sea that could better fit this place.

Pic related to give you some idea what cool stuff you can do with fantasy pirates (design-wise, I couldn't care less about LoL).

>>6253796
This sucks dick, bring back resistance

How many campaign scenarios are there in homm3 with time limits? I absolutely hate time limits so I skipped 2-3.

>>6253796
What happens to dwarves?

>>6253046
Does this pick ranks old estate or new one with doubled values?

>>6253937
Who fucking cares, Resistance caused too many Polish incels to commit suicide over RNG

>>6253857
>fantasy pirates
>doesn't go Lovecraftian
wtf?

>>6253935
Lots, especially in the expansions. If you are taking anywhere near the full length you are doing it wrong. In just about all of the campaigns the easiest path is rush to T7 and then roll over the whole map, you can even go capitol first if you want to be lazy.

>>6253796
Then what about heroes who get resistance as standard? Because there's at least a few.

>>6251967
Other than dark magic and maybe bow/dagger, everything here is get it for one person then stop.
Body magic to master (12)
Merchant/Disarm/Identify/Repair to master (7). You need more skill if you want to sell at cost, or just keep a duper around.
Perception to expert (4)
Light to master (4) and keep dumping points in
All that can to master dark (4) and keep dumping points in for the rest of the game
Sword to master (8, doesn't apply to your comp)
Bow to master (8, optional)
Plate to master (4, doesn't apply to your comp)
Dagger to expert for non-sword users (4, optional and better early)

>>6253937
creatures that already had resistance like dwarves, unicorns and golems remained unchanged, their abilities work the same

>>6253943
New values as balanced in HotA 1.6.1

>>6253951
you could go for something like Davy Jones from the Pirates of the Caribbean or Cryx style corsairs I guess, but that would push the faction from neutral into evil, and they weren't implemented with such a theme in mind

>>6254009
It is literally explained in the image. Basic Interference replaces Basic Resistance in such heroes. Although you always have the template option to keep one or the other or both in the game.

>>6254021
>Disarm
What is this skill? I don't have it but I saw a modifier on some gauntlets to the effect of "improves disarming" and didn't have a clue what that is.

>>6254042
I have to doubt, because the entire reason I looked for it was I saw a guy in the tavern with resistance, clear as day.

>>6254080
When you open chests they don't explode if the person that opened it passed the disarm trap skill requirement. Other than a couple obscure chest locations master 7 will open everything.

>>6254103
And gloves of Thievery basically increase your skill by roughly 50% passively.

>>6254103
OHHHHHHHHHH, that disarming. I've been thinking it was some sort of weapon disarming skill that'd pull the weapons right out of the enemy's hand.

>>6254103
I would like to ask why repairing though? I've seen one thing break ever, doesn't seem that useful for a full spellcaster party.

>>6253857
I wonder why they didn't do the Kraken as T7 unit.

It feels like a no-brainer.

>>6254117
Because Sea Serpents are in MM6 and it's not as senseless as people are claiming

>>6253449
>Stop trolling
I'm not. Cove never made sense and only got made because of autists on HotA team convinced themselves about how pirates is just following TEH LORE and everyone loves pirates because of Disney movies. Look, with the scale of the adventure map you can have a random mountain with a Tower in the middle of bumfuck nowhere or an Inferno corrupting land with magma even if it's the middle of a snowy wonderland, but in what fucking situation would a landlocked Cove town make sense? Why is Cove so human-centric? Can Undead be pirates? Obviously they can that's such a big cultural staple PotC did it twice. Can barbarians be pirates? But let's suppose it's specific regnan pirates, it's still a shitty boring lineup. How is Tier 1 different from just water elementals? How are green lizardmen with spear different from blue lizardmen with bows? How is a blue bird different from a yellow bird? It's just an extremely awkward lineup that butts heads with what was already in the game. Factory on the other hand is so far removed (which may be a bad thing depending on your taste) from preexisting visuals that I'm willing to give it a pass.

Holy shit Inferno units in homm3 fucking suck.

>>6254158
I'm not a fan of Cove either, but holy shit were all the points you made autistic.

>>6254117
Cephalopods can't do shit on land.

>>6254113
Unlike later MM games you will see lots of monsters have instant break random item such as titans, dragons, guardians of VARN, air elementals, etc. While it isn't as crucial for spellcasters, you are still losing armor and stats for every piece that breaks. It's especially noticeable if you find "of dark magic" or similar items, not to mention items of hit points or of spell points.

>>6254174
>I can't refute it so I'll just call him autistic
Go back.

So just finishing it now.

I spend way too much on latest map. Literally chasing each other with Dimension Doors.

>>6254158
>Why is Cove so human-centric?
Most of Might and Magic really is. Humans are powerful characters in every single faction and some even work for Kreegans. "Vanilla Human faction" is what prevailed in HoMM1.
>How is Tier 1 different from just water elementals?
Water Elementals is the raw element of water reigned in from the Conflux. They're mostly animations that come from an altar of water. Nymphs are water-borne individuals that tend to tempt sailors. Everything else is just nitpicking and if any of your changes were actually implemented you would probably complain that Cove is a special snowflake overdesigned city.

>>6254258
>you would probably complain that Cove is a special snowflake overdesigned city.
I'd rather have design be dictated but what's interesting and unique rather than by whatever lore concerns there are. Lore should come second to game design.

>>6254231
>>6254234
Why do HoMM 2 graphics seem to have so much more soul than 3?

>>6254338
because hand-drawn 2D sprites commonly look more unique than 3D renders, but also fuck the word soul.

>>6254180
Case in point

>>6254338
It has that old school fantasy charm and a really consistent art style. Heroes 3's are style looks like something a fan would make.

>>6254374
>also fuck the word soul
The word "Soul" has a use, but everyone is not only overusing it but also using it incorrectly, poisoning it.

>>6254158
>>6254436
>>6254037
Michael Bolton, why the fuck are you in this thread

>>6253428
F

>>6254210
Not that guy, but it is impossible to "refute" nonsense that isn't based on logic or any sort of sense, so by your standards the ravings of every madman in the world are infallible.

Any tips for the hornet nest in MM8?

>>6255114
BEE MORE CAREFUL

>>6255121
Not sure if I'm fucking up my stats, or what. But this is the second game I've had trouble with this area.

>>6255132
You're supposed to rush recruiting dragons, stats don't matter

>>6255145
That'd be why. I have a dark elf, vampire, cleric, knight, and necromancer. I was doing well until Alvar.

>>6254952
>Cove not making sense inland is nonsense
>Creature designs overlapping with previously existing creatures is nonsense
Just suck that Docent dick more will ya

>>6253576
Most of my game saves went, too, including my skyrim, divinity original sin 2 and witcher 3 ones, every single one over 100 hours of gameplay, and they didn't back up on my steam cloud properly (probably due to my shitty internet connection)
Fortunately I didn't keep any actually important stuff on that drive, but it still hits hard. I'm mostly sad about the map though, since it's been my pet project for the past couple weeks, I've been doing small bits of the map and writing (i wanted it to have some story) in my spare time, and now it's been taken away from me. Guess i learned my lesson to back up my stuff on multiple drives.
And it's dead for good, unrecoverable. Fuck my life.

>>6255216
It's okay anon. It wasn't anything you couldn't forgive yourself for losing (like videos of your late grandparents or something like that), and this also allows you to try to make it better this time.
If you're trying to write a story, do consider checking out maps from Timothy Duncan (aka Corvidius), such as Sander's Folly, Goldheart and the two parts of the Traemask trilogy (the final one has never been made AFAIK) for inspiration.

>>6255216
>I'VE MADE MAPS YOU PEOPLE WOULDN'T BELIEVE

In the Heroes 3 map editor, it it simply not possible to set what skills a university can teach? It keeps telling me there's no properties I can edit.

>>6255216
I feel your pain man.
I once lost my Warcraft 3 campaign I've been working on for months. It was this super complex campaign, with cutscenes, cinematics, custom content, all that shit. Then my HDD (literally) exploded. Those were pre-pendrive and pre-Internet times, so I was fucked anyway.

>>6255318
Oof, that fucking sucks man. I'm so sorry.
>>6255240
It probably wasn't that good. I didn't have that much experience with making heroes maps, and i didn't do stuff like measuring the steps between the objects for the optimal player routes like I've seen some mapmakers do.
But at least i learned some things, and, like >>6255226 said, i can make a better map now. Thanks for the recommendations, I'll make sure to play those maps in my spare time.

>>6254158
>How are green lizardmen with spear different from blue lizardmen with bows?
The Nix are alligator-men, as opposed to lizard-men, which in itself is a pretty novel concept that fits well with the pirate theme while being unique. I wish they had made them more animalistic like in their early concepts of the Nix, but the final result is still perfectly fine.

>How is a blue bird different from a yellow bird
Ones a pterodactyl and ones a bird.

>but in what fucking situation would a landlocked Cove town make sense
There's a lake inland that's a pirate hideout, done. Another way you could rationalize it is that there's rivers or secret waterways that lead into the town, but can't be accessed by normal boat travel to those not in the know. Use your fucking imagination.

For those of you who have played most/all of the Might & Magic series, which are your top three and how do you feel about VI in particular?

>>6255226
>use hot-seat mode as a way to show different characters and their POVs

Tim Duncan was so ahead of the curve it's ridiculous.

>>6255464
>pirates on an inland lake
>waterway that can't be accessed by boat but somehow lead into basically Tortuga
And these people accuse me of speaking nonsense

>>6255532
Maybe it's a very big inland lake.

>>6255554
He didn't sail so good

Uhhhhh guys? Can somebody give me a plan B please? I've been cheesing every fight with Resurrect and expert Haste / Stone Skin, but what do I do now?

>>6236257
I beat MM6 with PKKC, it was really fun.

It's a shame that the last part of the game is always the same level of easy because of guns.

>>6255750
>Orb Of Inhibition
Oh, the "no fun" artifact. What map do you play?

>>6255750
>Ancient Behemoths vs shooters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxATz2aTk6s

>>6255768
Loss of Innocence (Allies)
Seemed like a fun, sizeable (but not too big) map with no underground, and that's roughly what I wanted. Fuck the orb though.

>tfw no half naked pegasus rider waifu
>you don’t ride with her on a pegasus under the night sky
why live?

>>6255750
Install HotA :^)

>>6256047
It already is, or can't you tell?

>>6256069
>red orb
>galthran
Remember, you did this to yourself.

>>6256094
>Remember, you did this to yourself.
How did I do this to myself, exactly?

>>6255750
>>6256108
>>6256069
Don't listen to this retard ( >>6256047 >>6256094 )
All I can advise you is to distract him with other heroes and try to capture all his castles - after 7 days he will lose. Or edit the map and ban the Orb of Prohibition. This artifact is usually banned on HotA maps because it is a fun killer.

>>6256132
Didn't know they'd nerfed Necropolis into the ground, only just looked it up because he mentioned Galthran. Shitty, kinda makes me not want to play Hota any more.

>>6256132
>ban the Orb of Prohibition. This artifact is usually banned on HotA maps because it is a fun killer.
>all the other rule changes aren't
????

>>6255750
Well, I eventually managed to win by buying up literally every single unit in my Dungeon town and mashing them into him. I lost every single melee unit I had in the process but that should be fine, right?

Wrong, had two more attacks on my land over the next week. Won the first two easily with spells, but I'm now out of sp for the last fight and I just can't kill off his stack of Crusaders and Cavaliers before they push my shit in.

>>6256185
>Didn't know they'd nerfed Necropolis into the ground
Necropolis is still among the top-tier towns in spite of these nerfs, btw.

>>6256353
>Necropolis is still among the top-tier towns in spite of these nerfs, btw.
Did they at least do something to make Shroud of Darkness not shit? Whenever I play with a CPU Necro ally, they inevitably lose their town to the enemy for a turn and then can't find it again because they're just exploring the edges of the shroud forever.

>>6256367
The only problem with the shroud is that it fucks up the AI and I don't think there's anything the HOTA devs can do about that.

>>6255804
You just know

Was I supposed to converge all my armies into the diplomacy hero and try to recruit everything nearby? It's almost the end of week two and I have accomplished NOTHING except running back and worth between enemy camps and my shitty towns replenishing crappy tier 1-3 units. I fucking hate shit with time limits god damn.

>>6256596
No, you were supposed to be able to kill almost everything with spells/ranged and then town portal around as needed.

>>6256624
I thought spells were ass in this game and how am I supposed to replenish all those spell points with no wells nearby?

>>6256646
End your turn with the hero in a town that has a mage guild of any level. That fills your SP.

>>6256646
Spells are never bad, you just may not need them (though they help weaker heroes who won't have many units in the first place). The trick in this level is southeast of the dungeon city there is a top tier artifact and a dragon cave, so you can get 5 a week (1 from the cave, 3 from the city, and 1 from the portal of summoning if you weren't dumb and flagged worse creature spawns). Once you unlock that and get town portal the map opens up quickly.

>>6256656
>>6256660
I think I'll just skip this one and maybe come back to it later or never. I don't enjoy videogames rushing me or forcing me to build heroes in a very specific manner otherwise the scenario becomes impossible to clear.

>>6256678
You should try exploring the opportunities of expert earth magic at some point. Mass slow, mass shield, mass stone skin, infinite range town portal to any town, and other goodies.

>>6256687
I did look up a secondary skill tier list at some point and have a hero with expert earth magic and one with expert air magic, but I was never able to get any of the good spells since Wisdom never showed up.

>>6256707
The best spells are just mass versions of the tier 1 spells. Cast one of them with expert skill in that school of magic and it automagically becomes a mass spell. You don't need wisdom for those.
You should take wisdom if you can, though, since there's some very good spells in the higher tiers too.

>>6256596
Man, you will be demolished on this map.

This OP bitch already has Expert Wisdom at level 4, will Expert Scholar allow me to teach high level spells to heroes without Wisdom?

>>6256865

>>6256841
>>6256865
>>6256921
How does this game's UI have such a rock solid professional look, while modern games with a similar style end up looking like cheap mobileshit?

>>6256596
This map is the worst. Everything is way too far away from each other forcing you to employ multiple scouts just to find at least the bare necessities. If you're starting to feel lost I'd consider looking up an online guide.