/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[3-1] Wolfenstein 3D Retold First Preview
https://youtu.be/EvH_2fMTTFI

[3-1] Nobody Told Me About id updated to v0.2
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&sid=6866a7303fceaa0cd0c4dc2c9f2d0316&start=150#p1139967

[3-1] the QC model rips were updated
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

[3-1] DOOM console ports are on sale till March 2nd
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1232796951030136832?s=19

[2-26] WRATH: Aeon of Ruin - Content Update #1 Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkcAWN6LOA&feature=emb_title

[2-24] MetaDoom to change how inventory works and its Dehacked mapset compatibility
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=1bc7f630d04de675d528eb139da9d882&start=1695#p1139257

[2-24] Complex Clusterfuck 4.1 has been released
https://hastebin.com/raw/lecocidofo
https://mega.nz/#F!LB91TKqI!ToGHXZx-4ipB0kL5tzo5Zw
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Edp92Gr590NNd7rCLit5F8yrKm8y9SvJ

[2-24] A new Quake 2 neural upscale texture update has been released
https://github.com/Calinou/quake2-neural-upscale/releases/tag/v2.0.0

[2-24] Someone ripped all of Quake champions models for use
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

[2-24] ZRadar released.
https://gitlab.com/accensi/zradar

[2-24] Nobody told me about id updated to v0.1.8
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&start=120#p1139131

[2-17] Kinsie has released stuff that he stopped working on, allowing people to pick the code for their own purposes
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=67520

[2-16] Doosk, a Dusk TC for Doom, has been released by AlphaEnt2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9E8axNJcM

[2-16] Quality of life improvement small update on the LTG follower;
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67163&p=1134455#p1138185

[2-15] Nobody told me about id updated to V0.1.5
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&start=75

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>>6236587
>>6236554
Not wrong

>>6236578
Who made that animation?

>>6236609
Stopsignal

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=66132

>>6236580
major crook finally ported clusterfuck to gzdoom?

>>6236578
>put thread name in name field rather than the subject

>>6236687
I just can't stop fucking shit up

>>6236697
you're doing your best and we're proud of you sweetie

What are like... five hardest doom wads?

>>6236738
You couldn't handle my hardest wads, traveller. Theyre far too strong for you.

>>6236763
Listen to me. I want only your hardest wads.

>>6236767
Theyre far too hard, my strongest wads would kill a Decino!

How can I improve aesthetic of this platform? The left half of it will also drop down after you press the button on the other side of the weird MODWALL thingy.

The MODWALL needs to be visible as a clue to how relationship between it and another wall. I also need this platform to be shootable. Finally you need to be able to walk down from it after pressing the button.

>>6236791
Too much uninterrupted brick, add some detailing.

>>6236809
Brick itself is basically a placeholder. The premise is basically various buildings facing a central large room and brick is there because I haven't figured out what I want to do instead. I'm more bothered with the balcony itself, its geometry feels boring and I don't know how to improve it.

Is there something wrong with the -fast command?
Monsters behave differently on chocolate/prboom/gz - they react much faster on gz

>>6236078
Freedoom is about making an IWAD that is FREE as in freedom, not free bear. All the content in Freedoom is available under the BSD license, which makes it (almost) public domain. There's a reason certain GZDoom mods ship their stand-alone releases with it.

Also, at least with using modified assets from Freedoom you won't get narcissists screeching at you for not "crediting them properly" at every opportunity.

I finished the original Doom for the first time this evening.

I've played it loads before but never got to the end for one reason or another. Discovering GZDoom was a revelation. Feels good to finally have it done.

>>6236850
Grats

Now go play 27 YEARS WORTH OF WADS

how come sometimes when I die the level automatically restarts with only a pistol and sometimes I just stay a corpse on the ground until I reload a save?

>>6236857
I'm going to finish Doom 2 first

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPkYEOyJEL8

>>6236837
>free bear

>>6236879

One day Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Linus Torvalds all sit down for a bear...

>>6236895
Linus will give them various tips on tech.

>>6236878
[no]

>>6236878
Adorable

>>6236879
ah fuck I did an oopsie

>>6236578
Been playing through the Marathon trilogy for the first time recently, and I have to ask; is there a reason enemies in Marathon Infinity take so many hits to kill compared to the first two games? The length of encounters combined with the spartan context given by terminals and massive, labyrinthine levels right out of the gate make it feel more like an official level pack for Marathon 2 than its own thing. Does it get any better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewDg4OSq_6A

>>6236826
Please anons

>>6236948
using this with just the monsters very slightly randomized is one of my favourite things to play, it mentally fucks with you when a normal looking chaingunner or imp doesn't die from an ssg blast but its never too unreasonable with the monster health/damage changes.

>>6236948

>this+colorful hell+legedoomlite+champions

are we nearly there

MetaDoom's titlemap scroller now has Eternal's first level.
We're getting close.

>literally almost 2021
>not playing autostereogram doom
https://blogum.itch.io/omdo

>>6236871
press the "use" key

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCzOXAdwS9c
Lads... Civvie 11 betrayed us...

finally got the hang of things, considering it's the first megawad I play outside official ones I think I'm doing pretty good.

>>6237056
With what?

Why is there such a disparity in reviews of Doom 64 between reviewers and players? It seems like every contemporary reviewer thought it was dogshit and everyone who played it since then thinks it's better than 3 or 2?

>>6237070
>every contemporary reviewer thought it was dogshit
[citation needed]

>>6237070
It was 1997, Doom was dated and being a Doom-engine game was less forgivable.

>>6237015
I can get the outline of the gun, maybe between the pillars and slightly to the left on e1m1?
no idea what the other two are on the site.

Thoughts on Guncaster?
What are some good maps to run it through?

>>6236580
>them sprites on Wolf 3D Retold
That's some good ass shit. Wolfmods do the best stuff

>>6237070
???
https://www.mobygames.com/game/doom-64/mobyrank
Doom 64 seems well reviewed back then as well as now although most reviews are "if you like doom and doom2 you will like doom64 otherwise its not going to covert you"

>>6237109
it also came out the same year as goldeneye, turok, and starwars empire on the same system, and we all know how popular goldeneye was.

I got wrath and ion fury.
I am having fun.
That's all.
Have a nice day.

>>6237172

what about dusk?

>>6237173
FUCK DUSK.
I cannot buy new games until I finish these 2 anon, and these are meaty it's been years since I played an FPS.

>>6236850
Run it using Crispy Doom :D

Use GZDoom for custom maps, imo. The original game looks better with the original lighting/software renderer, which is why I recommend Crispy Doom, and modern maps look better with OpenGL lighting, pic related is PrBoom+, which uses the original Doom software renderer...

(I'm using PrBoom+ for this screencap because this mapset will not run on CrispyDoom, which is the best sourceport for running vanilla-style maps imo; PrBoom+ is good too but it lacks some of the options that CrispyDoom has, like adding vertical screenshake when firing which greatly increases immersion, colored blood for cacodemons/barons, and 50% chance to mirror dead sprites so they don't always face the exact same direction all the time; PrBoom+ has full 1920x1080 resolution though)

>Delta Touch supports Doom retro but not Crispy
But for what reason

>>6236580
Colourful hell brown beta #4 released;
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1140216#p1140216

>>6237179
...and this is the same map, but with OpenGL lighting. I was going to use GLBoom+ but for some reason I couldn't take a screenshot with it, so this is GZDoom, which uses the exact same lighting as GLBoom+ if you set up the options to do so (Options/Video Mode/Hardware Rendere + Options/Display Mode/Hardware Renderer/Fog Mode Off)

Also, try these vanilla friendly mods with Crispy Doom:

>https://www.perkristian.net/game_doom-sfx.shtml
High resolution sound effects - the same in-game sounds but they sound a lot better, most noticeable with the shotgun and chaingun

>https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102462-vanilla-doom-smooth-weapons/
Adds more frames to the weapon animations, so the chaingun actually looks like its spinning, for example.

You will need to learn how to use command lines if you want to run mods on Crispy Doom. It's actually simple, create a new text document, type in your command line, and save it as a .bat file. For example, here is a command line:
>crispy-doom -iwad doom.wad -file SIGIL_v1_21.wad pk_doom_sfx_20120224.wad vsmooth.wad D1SPFX19.wad

If you want some fancy-looking mods for GZDoom that don't change the gameplay, they just make the game look better, check out this video, the mod links are in the description:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7niLqZYE2k

do doom purists consider save reloading cheating? its totally unrestricted and basically save-stating

>>6237203
there are like 10 different lighting modes for the gzdoom renderer. some of them have light diminishing like software.

>>6237203
Ofc I forgot something. I forgot to mention, you will probably want to use Doom Mod Loader to load multiple mods for GZDoom. You can also use command lines, but you will end up with very long command lines like this:
> gzdoom -iwad doom.wad -file idkfav2.wad sprites.pk3 caulkpc.pk3 sm4bbgorev2.pk3 bbgore_colored_blood_for_cacodemons_and_bruisers_vanilla.pk3 perk_enhanced.pk3 mblur104.pk3 spriteshadow_v19.pk3 tiltplusplus_v165.pk3 weaponsway_v1.pk3 steve_flashlight.pk7 worldgamma.pk3 -warp 1 1 -record e1_nm -skill 5
(You have to use command lines, even in GZDoom, if you want to record a demo) You cannot use Doom Mod Loader for Crispy Doom so you have to use command lines for that. I dunno about PrBoom+ or GLBoom+ though since I don't really use those since I either use Crispy Doom for vanilla maps like Scythe/Scythe 2 and GZDoom for modern stuff like Going Down.

Speaking of Scythe, I would honestly recommend playing Scythe and Scythe 2 before playing Doom 2. Doom 2 is not nearly as good; Scythe and Scythe 2 are some of the greatest map sets ever created, and I don't want you to get burned out on Doom while playing Doom 2

>>6236697
maybe dont make threads senpai

>>6237214
They simply do not look as good and vanilla as Crispy Doom no matter how you tweak the options, and, again, Crispy Doom has options that no other source port has

>First time playing map 8 of Doom 2
>Get to the exit
>Fall
Is there any worse feeling?

>>6237235
The same but plutiona map 9

Chasm is the most overhated Doom 2 map.

>>6237206
As long as the player has enough self control that they limit how many saves they have per level, reloading should be fine.

>>6237206
I don't consider it cheating but I only use saves at the start of each level when I am doing casual playthroughs. Try doing playthroughs with 0 mid-level saves, it's actually quite blissful.

>>6237235
>>6237243
At least with Tricks and Traps, only like 20% of the map is actually required.

>>6237249
That and barrels o' fun. They're not great but at least they are unique. The worst map in Doom 2 is probably the city level Sandy made. At least that's the level I dread replaying the most.

Tricks and Traps is my favorite doom 2 level, aaong with Dead Simple and I hope we get more of those abstract kinda maps in Eternal

I dread icon of sin, nowadays I just mouselook it just to get the fight over with asap, it's just a bad unfun map and boss fight.

>wads I liked
Valiant
Ancient Aliens
No Rest for the Living

>wads I didn't like
Scythe 1+2
Sunlust
Eveternity

What should I play next?

>>6237298
Hellbound

>>6237206
It basically is cheating but who cares if having to redo a map pisses you enough you might as well save-scum. Some maps are also just too long

On some soureports -fast makes monsters behave differently compared to playing on nightmare. Is this known, or?

>>6237298
I cant even get a grip on your taste because to me Ancient aliens and Eviternity share practically the same gameplay philosophy.
Just play Back To Saturn X episodes 1 & 2, everyone should enjoy that.

>>6237298
>>6237332
im guessing he just doesn't like the gritty and dark textures that scythe and sunlust use because Valiant and AA are more bright and upbeat. BTSX is a good rec but also try the alfonzone

>>6237298
> not liking erik alm's maps
anon did not come out the right way

>>6237332
>>6237342
>>6237349
Eh, I thought Scythe 1 and 2 were both fine for the first half but then they both became more slaughter-focused in the later half. Sunlust was the same way. Eveternity just had annoying and tedious combat encounters from the get-go. Generally speaking I love maps that are challenging but do so with a lowish enemy count. I think the later levels of No Rest for the Living are the platinum standard for map design in Doom. They're hard but I never once found them tedious. I love Doom but when a single room has you taking 20 minutes to kill 1000 revanents and 1000 hell knights and 100 archviles and 20 cyberdemons all at the same time with the BFG it just gets old fast for me. Slaughter just isn't for me at all.

>>6237298
Alien Vendetta and Kama Sutra are my favorites.

I don't like AA nor Eviternity but Scythe 1 is one of my favorites too. Scythe 2 can suck a dick, though.

>>6236945
desu I never really noticed that the enemies were particularly stronger (unless you're talking about the one new enemy, the invincible ghost-form S'pht'Kr, or a particular end-game fight). I imagine that cyborgs are your biggest bullet sponge, so use the fusion pistol (which does extra damage against robotic enemies) against them.

The campaign was actually designed by a team called Double Aught, who were supposed to become a kind of spin-off of Bungie and work as a separate team, but that ultimately folded by the time Microsoft bought Bungie out. So yeah, it does feel a bit like an expansion of custom scenario, and I think the 'Infinity' concept in part was a nod and wink to the bundled editors to encourage the modding community to live on.

Depending on how far you are, it may or may not get better for you. Poor Yorick and Two for the Price of One were great levels imo, but the next couple are experimental, which are then followed by back-to-back vacuum levels which are very painful on a first playthrough. The middle section gets better, with a couple irritating swimming-based sections, followed by more dream levels, and then ultimately hits what is probably it's best stretch in the last ~quarter of the game. Overall I'd say Marathon Infinity is the game that's the most fun on a second playthrough once you've learned the occasional annoying quirk, but at the same time, it's no Durandal, so I won't order you to punish yourself. Maybe try Rubicon, Tempus Irae, or Phoenix if you still have a fix for more Marathon.

>>6237249
Chasm is one of my very favorites

>>6237319
afaik this is only the case on one of the shitty versions that are currently being sold, but I can't remember if it's a PC port or a console port. if you download the original doom IWADs instead of buying them and play them on a modern source port you don't encounter this problem, but if you buy the game, one of the versions has this problem, i can't remember which, though. -fast will not make the pinkies or fireballs move faster like they should. all the more reason to pirate the game

>>6237397
Wow that's messed up. I'll get the original IWAD just in case anyway.
But my problem is different - the projectiles are faster, but the monsters react slower on -fast than they do on nightmare. They're more lazy and spend more time walking.

Just finished Doom 1
Taking a short break from Doom 2 (still salty about level 8)
What should I play? The only thing on this list that I've beaten is Doom 1
Anything cheap I should pick up?

>>6237412
Never heard of Wrack so my votes goes there

>>6237412
Bioshock (whole series), DUSK and AMID EVIL are currently on sale.

Play Heretic.

>>6237412
>Anything cheap I should pick up?
There's always Doom3 if you want. Doom3 plus the expansion is like 2.50 right now

>>6237416
Its garbage that came out in the mid 2010s.

>>6237412
>quake 2 rtx
>not having quake 1 and 3

>>6237412
wrack is quick, was better in the alphas before carn added multiple characters and shit. It was fun back in the day using the skulltag irc to vote for enemy names, based suislider

another "wut should I play next guyz?/?" post. Ive kept track of what I played like a true tist and most recently completed is at the bottom.

Goin Down (Brutal/Cheats for compatibility))
Evilternity (Vanilla)
Ancient Aliens (Final Doomer-AA)
Scythe (Project Brutality)
Scattered Ashes (Brutal)
Doom (Vanilla)
Doom TWID (Project Brutality)
Scythe 2 (Johnny Doom)
Doom Needs More Detail (Brutal) [5/10/2019]
Doom 2 TWID (Project Brutality) [6/3/2019]
Extermination Day (Brutal) (Glitch MAP13>/>MAP14)
Riot Control
Plutonia 2 (FinalDoomer)
SHRINE TC
Cyb Freaky Colonoscopy (LT Typhon)
Deathless (Meatgrinder)
Verdant Citadel (Perkistan)
Alienated (Meatgrinder)
Dungeons and Demons (Vanilla)

>>6237451
>like a true tist
A tist?

>>6237417
I have the bioshocks and played them to death but I'll check out Duck and Amid Evil
>>6237438
The rtx test was free. I'm holding out on a sale for 1 & 2. I thought 3 was multiplayer only
>>6237416
>>6237440
Wrack it is

>>6237459
Autist I'm assuming

>>6237412
Where's Half-Life?

>>6237451
Hell-Forged

>>6237476
Left them off because they usually cause a shitstorm when mentioned

>>6236879
Never cracked open a bear?

>>6237451
Ancient aliens with DIO

>>6237015
I just got new glasses, I don't need to ruin my eyes more.

>>6237451
Bloodstained

>>6237063
what .wad

>>6237206
If you abuse it relentlessly.
I actually have the bad habit of saving too often, but I've been working on toning it down some.

map 19 is TOO FUCKING LONG

>hey, that dude ripped all of Quake Champions' models
>maybe I should boot the game up to see if they've actually updated it in the half year
>see this

>>6237249
I liked Cavern, it's the most memorable level in the whole game

>>6237412
Don't fucking bother playing Dishonored. Great aesthetics ruined by idiotic game design that literally punishes you for doing anything fun including utilizing most of your abilities

>>6237484
>>6237476
Valves games are boring tech demos, just like Doom 3. Their value is completely lost since their innovations are no longer shiny and new

>>6237412
Full list incase anyone was curious
https://www.mysteamgauge.com/account?username=festivo

>>6237524
The crazy thing about this b**mer meme is that it literally originated from a single autistic shitposter here on 4chan. Some guy posted variations of "that x year old boomer who y" with years all the way from 1 to 30 across literally every board for days. And for whatever reason "30 year-old boomer" stuck. And it eventually wormed its way into the mainstream.

>>6237520
it gets worse, have fun

>>6237520
A speedrun for the 2nd secret map takes around an hour lol. They went so god damn overboard with level length

>>6236850
I'm new to Doom so I'm having fun playing it for the first time. I'm currently at "Thy flesh consumed" and I was stuck at E4M3 for like ~20mins because I'm retarded and didn't notice the red door. Still my favorite map from this episode tho.

>>6237179
>>6237203
Not the same anon but I have a question. Is the statement: "There's no wrong way to play Doom" true? Because I've been playing all this time using GzDoom along with some mods (Smooth Doom, Bolognese, Arachno soundfont, etc) and it's been pretty nice, but I was wondering if I've been doing it wrong all this time, I don't want to look stupid. At least I'm not using BD, although it was kind of fun.

>>6237520
That was the first level that really started to piss me off

>>6237563
>>6237557
fucccckkkkkk

>>6237552
only bad part about the boomer meme is that it spawned (and continues to spawn) endless low effort wojak faces that get spammed everywhere by discord people trying to force it as the next big meme

>>6237552
I bet you'd find the meme even crazier if you realized that exact person browses this general

>>6237520
Yeah. That and map32 felt really out of place with their in-game time.
Like I'm usually fine with long maps here and there, if the megawad is generally varied enough in map lengths and slotted well so that it fits the pacing. But Eviternity's ones kinda just come out of nowhere and are in stark contrast with the lengths of the rest of the megawad.

>>6237625
32's so insane/absurd that it goes full circle into being good again

>>6237536
>>Great aesthetics ruined by idiotic game design that literally punishes you for doing anything fun including utilizing most of your abilities
The best version of the final mission is in high chaos, though.

Jesus fucking christ I cannot wait for Eternal. I've watched every gameplay video multiple times like a complete autist. Its Doom 2016 with nearly twice as much combat depth, twice the length, double the enemy variety, and with actually good level design. Oh and the multiplayer mode actually looks interesting and fun as hell. Thank god Ori is coming out on the 11th to help pass the timeI can't take this for much longer bros

>>6237629
My only gripe is the music is just so bad for the length and tone of the level. Needed something like Map29's where the music itself is 45 minutes long.

>>6237629
19 and 32 are good maps on their own. They just feel more like they'd have been better suited as single map wads, or maps in compilation projects like Community Chest, where continuous pacing isn't really a factor at all in map slotting.

What is the craziest Doom mod? Is it Grezzo 2?

>>6237015
I had to make the image smaller. But it's E1M1, right of the stairs up to the green armor.

>>6237536
Disagree, it's a pretty good game. Not perfect, but decent.

>>6237658
holy shit i forgot that this thing exists. i played it, it was pretty fun some years ago but i didnt understand anything and couldn't pass the first level
or im just retarded

>>6237417
>>6237463
You can download Dusk from the link in the OP
> Downloads for various /vr/ shooters. (Includes Doom, Quake, Douk, Blood, and more)
> https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q!xTBmRQhA


>>6237412
Play Duke Nukem 3D next! You can get it from the same link as above. You will need the EDuke32 source port or the BuildGDX source port. Use EDuke32 if you want fancy modern polymer lighting (pic related, the rockets/lasers/explosions/etc. emit light themselves which I tried to capture with this screenshot) or BuildGDX (which can also run Blood and other Build-engine games) if you don't care about fancy gore mods or fancy polymer lighting; the music MIDIs in BuildGDX also sound far superior for some reason. I don't know anything about MIDI playback so I couldn't tell you why. The original MIDIs sound fine, but for some reason, they sound great in BuildGDX. I play Duke while listening to Filmmaker anyway so I run EDuke32. EDuke32 also has more HUD options.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7X6o9f2_Q0&list=UU5ZmfGdrVB1FZpBChWx61Hg&index=7

Download "Brutal Duke Nukem" mod if you want. It's a gore mod inspired by Brutal Doom. It doesn't change any of the gameplay, it just adds more gore; it uses almost all original in-game sprites, just adds more blood and the dismembered limbs stay on the ground instead of despawning. Good times

>>6237739
screenshot of the Build GDX source port

>>6237716
I recall the whole thing being centered around references to Italian television from the 70s or something, so not understanding anything is normal

>>6236580
New trailer for Blood mod Eviction: The Hive:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0qcmqzSnQo

>>6237560
When I play GZDoom I also use Bolognese and sprite and music mods, but generally speaking, any maps that CAN run on Crispy Doom, I run on Crispy Doom, with the vanilla-compatible mods I mentioned. I never heard of Arachnosoundfont until now. It sounds pretty cool; I was going to do a playthrough of Plutonia using Jimmy's MIDIs ( http://jamespaddockmusic.com/doom/plutonia-midi-pack/ ), and I'll probably do it using GZDoom and Arachno soundfont and a slew of other mods for GZDoom. I linked it before but I'll link it again; I use pretty much all of these mods except for the HUD mod and Bloom
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7niLqZYE2k
I use the sprite mod, this sound effects mod ( https://www.wad-archive.com/wad/22683fa3f4843c540cc7dc022f2e38c7 ) that this same youtuber used in a different video but not this specific one, Bolognese gore mod (you need to download a new version of it patched by some other modder - the original mod has a game-breaking bug: when an arch-vile revives a gibbed enemy, that enemy is invisible), the flashlight and motion blur and tilt mods, etc...

>>6237536
You're actually encouraged to do both a pacifist and a high kill playthrough to see how the game changes.

>>6237560
You do you. I think everyone should experience vanilla Doom at least once but ultimately as long as you're having fun.

>>6237629
>trying to beat map32 on UV with no saves

>>6237560
Woops I forgot to link this music mod that is an absolute MUST when playing the original Doom episodes. It only runs on modern ports like ZDoom and GZDoom. Grinding Doom 1 on Nightmare while listening to this music is absolute bliss. I should upload my demos to youtube sometime...

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGK1dr-Ql0w

And here is a music mod for Doom 2. It also has Doom 1 music, but the mod above is far superior for Doom 1.

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGK1dr-Ql0w

this is hell

>>6237825
truly it was the third time we spent 3 hours in agony

>>6236578
Can someone tell me please what are exact credits for this sprite?
Weapon is Bone Shredder from Heretic Amp
Original author credits people in bulk, and Sprites are by Eriance, neoword and Xaser
Readme says its alright to reuse any of the contents, but I'd like to know specifically who to credit

>>6237853
I'm almost certain that's from Eriance, it looks like his style and it resembles the arm cannons on the mancubus resprite he also did

>>6237739
>https://mega.nz/#F!QXIk1bjB!NHRWGIfjcc77PyGgRlga4Q!xTBmRQhA
>Idtech 2
>No Daikatana

>>6237536
>OH NO NOT MY HECKING GOOD ENDINGRINO

>>6237552
>>6237591
give /v/iggers an inch and they take the fucking universe

what else is new

Press F for Keen
Never trust Beth

Commander Keen: Keen Dreams of Death.

>>6238036
>>6238040
Commander Keen: Ultimate Torment and Transactions

I finally decided to upload my GZDoom E1 Nightmare run onto youtube :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlu_B4l5TZE

I'll upload both my GZDoom and Crispy Doom runs so that people can see the difference between the two source ports. I've done deathless runs of each of the original episodes 1-3 on Nightmare on both GZDoom and Crispy Doom

>>6237451
>738 KB
> finally got the hang of things, considering it's the first megawad I play outside official ones I think
imagine playing with retarded gameplay mods

Pretty happy with how these turned out.

Amid Evil is 25% off for the next seven hours. Worth it? I was gonna pirate it but none of the torrents out there include the Nov update.

>>6238192

Its a fine throwback fps, I prefer Dusk but that's just me.

>>6238192
AE is my favourite of the bunch. Pirate it, play it, buy if you like it and want more.

>>6238215
>>6238203
Thanks boys.

>>6238187
who's this guy?

>>6238227
The Artificer, specifically using the Tech Monk set for this mod

Only tested this now but the gun looks awesome. Never going to use anything else for the rest of my life.

>>6236791

The facade sticks out in an interesting asymmetry, but the wall itself is flat. Some angular indents or protrusions might help jazz it up, and make it more interesting to play with. Also, lighting - especially if it's an area of importance that you want to draw attention to.

>>6236791
Add some lamps and lights, maybe add an inlet in the wall with some additional pipes or circuitry inside it. Perhaps a length of blue carpet on the floor (but then again, this is outdoors).

>>6236637
No, still working on it, he also got is own discord after Dusted made the last Update.

>>6237552
yeah the same thing happened with all that coomer shit
wojaks in general should be grounds for permabanning by now

>>6238279
Mm that meatball be cute!

>>6238279
>Those marines are gonna pay for shooting up my ass.

Playing HDest, how do I find out if the boss rifle has a custom chamber and other subtle variations for weapons?

>>6238282
mmmmmmm

Doom 2. UV. No secrets. Enjoy not having ammo.

>>6237451
>>6238348

>>6237412
The Blake Stone games look like they could be a comic book series.

>>6237505
plutionia 2?

>>6237658
no

>>6237505
SUNLUST

Sorry for the late reply

Are there any completely handcrafted Quake levels?

What I am talking about is
completely brushless, hand-sculpted polygon per polygon, vertex per vertex, ALL the environment on the level.

I love the secret level in NRFTL. It looks like a shopping mall in a techbase disguise.

>>6238517
myshoppingmall.wad

Confess your sins
I played hexen/heretic on my phone with no enemies so I can focus on switch hunting without dealing with the touchscreen controls

>>6238332
The only real indicator for the Boss's custom chamber that doesn't involve firing dozens of rounds is that it's a fair bit faster to work the bolt compared to the stock chamber. Other weapon variants usually have differences on the pickup sprite (such as firemode switches or the SMG's reflex sight). The Hunter variants can be identified by their pickup messages, and you can check the choke on any shotgun by looking at the help text popup when you hold use.

>>6238490
brushless?
like pre-QuakeED "build bsp in notepad" kinda deal? I think there are a couple, understandably quite crude. probably sort by date on Quaddicted and go from there.
unless that's what you meant, every polygon that ends up in a map used to be a brush at some point. nowadays you can take literally whatever from blender and the like, convert to brushes and hope it compiles, but it's not like there's some substantial difference

I can't find a reliable info on how sound (The kind that wakes monsters) spread through the map. All I can find is that you need 2 linedefs that block sound to prevent it, but how far does it reach? Does it pass through anything?

>>6238580
But... why?

>>6238580
That seems pointless. I guess maybe switch-hunting in Hexen can be challenging by itself, but still.

https://twitter.com/kinsie/status/1234463518608375808

>>6238490
What is that even supposed to mean? What do you think a brush is exactly?
Brushes aren't like little pre-made shapes, you have to create them yourself from scratch.

>>6238687
does kinsie read this thread?
i would chime in avactor

>>6238734
i mean, do you have a twitter or zdoom forums account?

>>6238670
>>6238672
It's a low stress way to do some switch hunting while on my lunch break.
Is that more or less casual than playing with monsters while looking at a walk through?

>>6238767
Is it worth playing Eviternity on UV -fast or is it too hard

>>6238774
>>6238767

Didn't mean to quite, have a free (you)

>>6238764
i do not
and for me, making one post doesn't justify making an account

I just got an idea for a dumb troll map. Or at least a segment of it.

A massive pit. When you try to fall into a pit, a platform instantly rises up (Using lower to higher height trick) but sometimes it does not and you teleport to the start instead.

Now I wonder how I can actually make it fun.

>>6237637
it seems according to hugo, the reason doom has a "universe" now is because other successful franchises have them
i mean, some don't have it, so...

>>6238835
I'm not sure I want it to have cutscenes and stuff, but the idea seems neat.

Are there any good mods for chex quest?

>>6238840
i thought doom as a series works without lore because of the experimentation and things you can do with the setting (like seen with mods and even how some games have different directons)
like, i hope urdak isn't the only attempt at a heaven in eternal because there's potential on heaven in doom that may not fit the setting they have
they do a lot of things that aren't expected in a doom game, for better or worse

>>6238490
I know there is a guy that mostly makes his maps by importing shit from a 3D modelling program. I can't remember his name, but he has been involved in speedmapping compilations.

>>6238767
I mean why even play if the whole thing is nothing but an empty chore?

>>6237484
lmao
>>6237545

Should I close the gap under the buttons? I thought buttons hanging from the ceiling would look cool, but now that I started remodelling this room, they kinda don't.

>>6238962
Close it. It looks like a mistake right now

>>6238962
Close it so that the texture lines up with the walls.

>>6238978
Lining them up to the wall is not the problem, I just forgot to save them as upper-unpegged again.

Doom newcomer here from several threads ago, i followed your guys advice, got GZDoom and have started going to town. It's like i've hit a treasure trove that i've been missing out on for the past 25 years. Some of this shit is absurdly impressive, i've seen usermade content for lots of games, but ive never seen anything on a quality level like this. In terms of WADs so far i've tried:

Eviternity
Lost Civilization
Ultimate Torment and Torture
Verdant Citidel
Dark Universe
Winter's Fury
(I know these are mostly very recent, but i quickly noticed some WADs require specific ports, especially older ones. For now im just focusing what i can play in GZdoom.)

Only one i've finished so far is Winter's Fury, because that first level instantly hooked me through till the end. Was a heck of a ride. Only one that didnt quite do it for me was UTNT, but i havent played the rest in full yet so we'll see if that changes.

Also tried Brutal Doom and Hideous Destructor. BD was a fun romp, but i can see where its criticisms come from and if i had to choose, i'd go with regular doom any day. HD was a huge shift, but i loved how it forced to me to completely change the way i approach things.

Just one question. I've looked this up in a few places, but i still can't seem to get it to work. If i want to load a WAD and a modification like BD or HD into it, how do i go about that with GZdoom? I saw the method of making a shortcut and adding the -file directions into it, but ive yet to get it to work. I know some WADs arent compatible with these mods, but i couldn't get it to work on a mostly vanilla WAD either.

>>6239054
Ctrl click multiple wads then drag them onto gzdoom.exe

>>6239057
.................. thats it? god damn if its really that simple then im retarded and so was everything i looked up.

>>6239057
Do not do this. Drag and drop loses all control of load order when trying to load more than two files at once. This can cause conflicts and errors that wouldn't happen if you loaded files in the right order, leading you to think some mods are incompatible or bugged when they're not.

>>6239054
>>6239059
Get a GUI launcher like ZDL or learn to use the command line/batch files.

>>6239075
Load order doesn't matter a lot of the time when it's just a gameplay wad with a map wad though, you can usually get away with shit like ketchup.wad too.

>>6239075
>>6239078
i was curious about load order actually, when i tried the target shortcut method i was typing in the gameplay mod first, then the WAD. is it supposed to be the other way around?

>Get a GUI launcher like ZDL or learn to use the command line/batch files.
I'll look into this too, thanks.

>>6239078
Again, it's when you try and load more than two files that the OS just gives up and throws them in whatever order it feels like. It can matter a lot for some WADs. BTSX, for instance, includes a full set of Doom 2's sprites shifted to its unique palette. If you try and load it with Doom 4 Vanilla, and BTSX isn't loaded first, all of Doom 4 Vanilla's sprites are overwritten by the original Doom 2 ones included with BTSX. Now you have zombiemen that don't shoot their gun and get frozen mid-gib when they die and a pistol that sits on the wrong idle frame.

>>6239083
Generally, the correct order is maps first, then gameplay mods second. It usually doesn't matter because most maps don't change sprites and most gameplay mods don't mess with textures, but it's more about doing it right when it does matter.

What are some wads?

>>6239115
I blew a wad this morning, do you want it?

>>6236578
Duke 3D and Blood have been homebrew ported to NDS, 3DS, Wii, and PSP as well as the PS Vita and the Switch. Now if only that would happen to Redneck Rampage and Powerslave/Exhumed.

Is there a conceivable way to rip textures from games like SS1, Thief, or Build games, compile them into a wad and then use them in Trenchbroom?

>>6239120
There's a tool called ss_xtrac for ripping from System Shock's files.

>>6236580
New Quake 2 singleplayer map release "Outer outer base" is here!

Direct download link:
http://quakeulf.suxos.org/3d/maps/oobase.zip

Link to a Twitter-post with some more screenshots:
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1234615435779301382

>>6239118
Sure!

>>6239120
You can probably find rips for those games in various formats across the web.
Then you use a program such as TexMex or Wally to import them into a Quake wad file. Theyll automatically convert them to the quake palette. If the results arent all pretty, try using Slade to conver them (to paletted PNG's, then import into a quake wad) instead, because it has different options for what formula to use for palette conversion.

So I decided to redraw the thy flesh consumed bunny rescue ending pic for LTG since the old one kinda sucked

bunny still rescued

>>6239218
Based

What's the definitive Duke3d difficulty and why?

>>6239054
Play Valiant

>>6239054
gzdoom.exe -iwad doom2.wad -file "file1.ext" "file2.ext" "file3.ext" ... "fileN.ext"

Files can come in .wad or .pk3 formats. Keep in mind later files overwrite earlier files.

In your opinion, what is the single best MAP07 to use the 666 tag?

I nominate The Mancubian Candidate, from Valiant.

>>6239236
>filename
>Diff Kiffem

>>6239054
>treasure trove
That's pretty much how I would describe it.

>I saw the method of making a shortcut and adding the -file directions into it, but ive yet to get it to work.
Show us how you did it.

>kill guy carrying a rifle
>drops a pistol magazine
>walk over it
>YOU PICKED UP A CLIP

So now with a Steam store alternative, what is the best way to play Blood?

>Barrels O' Fun
>Pain Elementals
I know I could probably pistol start this, but what the fuck do you do with this fucking shit.

>>6239276
That's Vanilla Doom to you. If you want more authenticity and realism, there's mods, Hideous Destructor is the most realistic and detailed one by far.

honestly fuck this game and it's shitty enemy design
no wonder nobody talks about it

>>6239305
>

>>6239305
Did you mean to post a picture of Blood?

>>6239308
>>6239305
Kill yourselves tbhfamalams

>>6239306

>makes you seethe

>>6239324
One of the worst shotguns I've ever used, possibly worst than Doom 3. Every enemy takes WAY too long to kill.

>>6239328
just play on easy, it makes the gunplay a whole lot better

>>6239124
>>6239198
Thanks, I'll try these out.

Thoughts?

>>6239328
>worse than doom 3
I've seen some dumb posts but this is one of the dumbest I've seen in a few days.

>>6239328
The altfire is good though.

>>6239335
Can we really not discuss painkiller?

>>6239343
>2004

>>6239236
Come Get Some. Duke Nukem isn't that difficult so you should be able to beat it without dying too much. On Damn I'm Good enemies respawn after dying unless you gib them so you need to have your routes memorized if you want to play on that difficulty setting

>>6239328
>worst than Doom 3
No it's not, Doom 3's shotgun spreads at some ridiculous fucking 45 degree cone that makes it completely useless at any range but muzzle to skin.
Comparatively, Half-Life's shotgun actually has some range. It doesn't do great on the soldiers, but realistically, buckshot does pretty poorly against body armor, so consider alternative tactics or means.

>>6239295
you just got berserk in the last room
employ bully tactics

Why are jannies deleting any post mentioning hl?.

>>6239367
Just the shitposts. If you think a post with a HL image with the only text being ">Makes you seethe" is a post made in good faith you're insane.

>>6239374
Mine wasn't intended to be a shit post.
It was the cover of painkiller black and I was asking what people thought of it

>>6239395
That wasn't half life though, that was painkiller, that game came out in 2004 dude

Are there any other .wads which have a comfy grungy concrete base aesthetic like Suspended In Dusk does?

Does anyone else think the TFC nailguns are wonky? Always feels like the gun is jamming or something

>>6236578
Faith?

What exactly are games such as Doom, Dusk, Quake, Blood considered genre-wise? Are the arena shooters; is there more precise terminology used to describe them; are there distinctions between the games listed? I'm trying to design levels for Quake and Dusk and attempting to write up a deconstruction of what the underlying design philosophy should be.

So far, it seems, in terms of combat encounters exclusively, that designers attempt to lead players from one arena to the next while leaving downtime in between large encounters with intermittently placed enemies and minor exploration.

>>6238235
>>6238187
I always thought this was gonna be another cute anime girl mod and didn't care about it at all, now I wanna be the futuristic punch man

>>6239410
In Christ, yes.

>>6239415
Nah, it's just based off an NES game I really liked as a kid. I'm working on a Zelda 1 weaponset for this update too.

>>6236497
>Unhinged
He updated it in 2016 to mediafire but the link is dead, any chance you have this?

Where was that one anon who was developing a Doom wad that used SS1EE-esque mouselook and equipment, it looked rad.

>>6239305
>>6239308
most blood/sw enemies are hacx tier shit flesh blobs, but they make up for it with great levels and gameplay

>>6239413
>So far, it seems, in terms of combat encounters exclusively, that designers attempt to lead players from one arena to the next while leaving downtime in between large encounters with intermittently placed enemies and minor exploration.
I wouldn't say lead from one arena to the next, since that recalls the modern trend of locking the player inside an arena until they kill all enemies. It also varies even between the games you mentioned, for instance Quake tends to have more uniformly spread enemies rather than a bunch of separate large scale encounters. You could probably look up Romero's level design philosophy but ultimately it's all about keeping the player entertained and engaged with the game, there's a lot of different takes on the how.

>>6239450
So good level design should have a steady increase in overall engagement, but a stochastic "large" encounter rate, like Design 2 instead of Design 1 (which would be similar to DOOM 2016)?

I'm completely new to this and was just analyzing the design of a few fan missions I played.

>>6239468
Not that anon, but my favorite levels are ones where you visit the same areas in different ways throughout the level.

>>6239471
Almost like a hub in Hexen?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xC73-1wSU

Chad

>>6239476
I haven't played Hexen, so I can't comment on it. Have the player's path through a level intersect often, with parts of the level opening up as the player makes progress with key doors, monster closets, secret areas, and the like.
I think those kinds of designs are always more memorable than designated fighting areas strung together with hallways.

>>6239468
Keeping the player engaged works in multiple levels. One way is a constant stream of action, yes, but having to mentally track your position and the level's layout so you can find your way around is another. For me that was one of the biggest problems with Doom16's level design (and other similar games), your brain completely shuts down as you move between arenas since there's nothing to think about, also to add insult to injury all secrets (except the "retro rooms" IIRC) are marked on your automap so there's little need to actually try to keep a lookout for something that could be a secret.

new laser hit effects

>>6239427
there he is, right there >>6239487

Nice hitsparks by the way, what the hell does the laser pistol use for ammo? Cells or some kinda battery like in System Shock?

>>6239491
It currently runs on the infinite energy of laziness. Will run on some kind of auxiliary power resource that'll go on a meter to the right and which all powerups you can (read: "will be able to") toggle will run on as well. Will make damage scaling by power setting non-linear so the lowest setting is very efficient and the highest is powerful but wasteful.

>>6239484
>your brain completely shuts down
This right there is the biggest thing modern game devs completely miss out on. A game may look un-interactive at times, but in reality the best games are always interacting with the player. You interact with the player's eyes, the player's hands, the player's ears, and the player's brain. Most attempts at brain interaction end up being completely non-interactive with large amounts of exposition being thrown at your face. Exposition isn't gameplay. Tactical map awareness is gameplay. There's a reason counterstrike is the longest running FPS game out there.

Though there seems to be this odd movement these days with younger players who honestly don't want that level of interactivity. Hallways with infinite ammo and health, what fun.

>>6236837

based

>>6239495
I like that idea, though how will we recharge that aux power? In System shock it was from those stations, so I assume here it'd be from pickups

savescumming is justified in a world where archviles exist

>>6239514
I'm thinking all the normal time-limited powerups except for Invulnerability should be replaced by batteries, and then items like berserker pack, soulsphere and megasphere could additionally give some power. Balancing it all will be tricky, but ought to be possible.

>>6239363
>Take berserk
>Literally punch the pain elementals instead of trying to shoot them
>It works almost flawlessly

What's the difference between the original DOOM and ultimate besides graphics, sound and the fourth chapter?

>>6239529
Bully the shit out of them and make a fight

>>6239524
>except invulnerability
Good call. Sometimes a map gives you one of those for a very good reason, and I tried my damndest on many encounters, but found that there was really no good way to do them without invulnerability, even if the replacer gives like 99% damage resistance. It's there because the author expects you to use it and not being made invulnerable for 30 seconds breaks the map.

Of course, monsters hit much harder in mine, which could have contributed to that.

>>6239534
E1M1 has the button in the green armor room that opens up the courtyard secret earlier.

>>6239541
What was the purpose of that, anyway?

>>6239543
Deathmatch

>>6239543
Funsies?

>>6239538
Yeah, I really don't want to break maps too much if I can avoid it. I'll probably replace it, but it'll give the normal invulnerability as well as something extra and fun.

>>6239547
Was it not possible to make separate versions of a map with different geometry n shit for deathmatch back then? Genuinely curious.

>>6239548
thats a good point too

>>6239562
It was possible, but would be a waste when you could just hide a secret button that opens up the map a bit for deathmatch.
Romero did that for Sigil.

>>6239562
I probably was, but Id probably didn't bother because that would've meant more work.

>>6237560
Arachno soundfont is meh.
Use Spliced Weeds.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/er4klqrtv98joa6/SplicedWeedsGM4.sf2/file

>>6239276
>carry a mag
vs
>carry a clip

>>6239276
>>6239578
>not carrying a clipazine

>>6239482
>>6239484
>>6239501
Modern level design trappings are what I'm seeking to avoid, but I'm trying to systematize what makes it so unengaging. For me, peak level design is found in games like Thief and SS1 because of the labyrinthine maps, although a fast paced fps doesn't allow for methodical gameplay.

>>6239581
>>6239578

>>6239501
This is something I see a lot at work: there's some people that really, really don't want to (or can't) use their brain. It's always amazing when you're trying to explain these really basic concepts to someone and you can tell in their glassy vacant stare and hesitant "yes, I got it" that they didn't understand shit. Then they go and screw up in spectacular, common-sense defying fashion. I'm sure this extends to video games, and since big budget games need to appeal to the biggest possible audience, they need to be IGN reviewer proof.

>>6239398
if SiD was released today people would call it bad for being too gray

>>6239594
travesty against nature

1995 was a boring year for fps.

>>6239627
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zVenCG3eX8
You ain't seen shit boi

>>6239618
And I'd beat those people with a telephone.

>>6239581
>clipazine

Does anyone play Doom through Steam and knows what file does Steam actually launch? In the case of Doom 2 it launches a .bat file so you can modify it to have a mod menu and launch whatever sourceport with your desired parameters, the same files are in Doom 1 but changes made to them do nothing.

>megawad with no backpack the first 15 maps
>16th map has 3 of them just laying in the open

>>6239672
Backpacks should be provided at level 3, no more. Same with SSG. Othe

>>6239672
Backpacks should be provided at level 3, no more. Same with SSG. Otherwise it's a shit megawad trying to appear professional desu. Also thanks 4chanX for lagging my browser and somehow sending the post prematurely.

>>6239631
maybe for non-6DoF fps's

>>6239398
this aesthetic is really under used but nice looking, also off topic but this screenshot really reminds me of as_oilrig for some reason

>>6239634
I like these, because you just slide open a little door on the side and drop in loose cartridges. With the idea being that the magazine is locked in place in the gun to be compliant with state law, it makes me think a lot about the old Krag Jorgensen bolt action rifles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr8GYZGQEeg

>>6239534
Me on the left

>>6239529
They can't properly spawn Lost Souls if you get up in their grill, they just phase out of existence immediately, much like if you kill a PE in an enclosed space.

>>6239757
Now I want to make a mod that make them spawn right behind you in those situations and bite your cheesing ass

Haven't kept in touch with new Duke 3d mods for 10 years. Recently I decided to try Duke Nukem Forever (mod) and Alien Armageddon. I enjoyed both. Are there more of some great Duke mods that I absolutely should play.

>>6239831
Doom 64 made dying Lost Souls deal damage as they explode.

>>6239690
It came in 1994

>>6239521
The only time savescumming is justified is when you're playing Hideous Destructor, and even then, only in short amount.

>>6237505
If an old ass wad you've never heard of suddenly gets posted a bunch, just check jewtoob for some pissant e-celeb doing a playthrough of doom and you'll find out what it is.

>>6239838
AMTC
Duke Forces

>>6239521
It matters not how much you are saving
only how much you are loading

>>6239593
I'll actually toss a disagreement your way and say that labyrinthine levels can actually fuck up the pacing of levels. Secret humping and key hunts are fun when done right in smaller maps, but when you're playing through the first time it can be a slog. Having to re-open your automap every 15 seconds (or just having the map open at all times when you aren't in a fight) because the fucking designer wouldn't understand landmark placement and branching path design if it smacked them upside the head is really, really stupid. This isn't an endorsement of typical corridors down the middle, but just me being a zoomer as far as level design goes.

tl;dr be cognizant of how long it takes to properly map out a section of your level.

>>6238403
Thanks. However, I don't think I'll ever touch Sunlust unless the author implements proper support for lower difficulty levels, I've seen some footage of it before and it looks pretty crazy.

Gorgeous architecture though.

>>6239860
I don't need your bitter condescension.

Good level should resemble a place, and be interconnected like a place would be if it was real.
Then sections of the place should be locked behind switches/keys that make player go through old areas a second time, while they are repopulated.

>>6239883
Then talk about doom on youtube, faggot, or wherever else you came from.

>>6239894
You humor me greatly with your arrogance and contempt, a flood of accusations born from the poison of envy and smite of disrespect.

>>6238704
>What is that even supposed to mean?
Level was sculpted triangle per triangle or vertex per vertex, just so, without any copy-paste.
Like, imagine crumpled paper, now imagine deliberately bending it Just So.
>What do you think a brush is exactly?
Well, I thought it was like a photoshop brush, but, like, 3d. A cube of certain dimensions, a tetrahedron, that sort of thing. What I am confused on is whether, if that is the case, you can just like drag that cube along its side, and gain a super-shape, a parallelepiped, like a volume drawn with that cube, and the program will just delete all the garbage by itself, leaving you with the clean parallelepiped with minimal possible amount of polygons. Like whether you could could just draw in space by dragging 3d shapes around. Actually 2D shapes would do for that puprpose though, so if brush is an explicitly 3d object, then the answer is probably no, as they were clearly created for a different purpose.
Anyway, that's just pure speculation on my part. Whether to take your time to confirm or disprove any parts of that fantasy is up to you or whoever.
>Brushes aren't like little pre-made shapes, you have to create them yourself from scratch.
Yeah, but, see, the thing is, you make them to slap them around, here, there, there, here, that is, they are there to facilitate copy-paste, to make it possible for you to clone specific surface arrangements and angles. What I am talking about is completely opposite to that. Like a level created and edited explicitly as a net of adjacent triangles, with zero prefabs of any kind.

>>6239631
>boring
Hexen, Descent, Dark Forces, Terminal Velocity, Cyberia 2, Cybermage, Terminator Future Shock, Wrath on Earth, Witchaven.

>>6239916
Wrath of Earth is a sin against mankind.
I honestly think that it is flat unbeatable on hard because of these two freezer episodes in the middle of it.
Also, valve puzzle.
I have actually completed that shit. I dunno why, actually. I definitely wasn't having any kind of fun. It was like, okay yet another shot has instantly fried out your battery, now you have to stay under lightbulb for 3 minutes for it to regenerate. Repeat 1000 times.

>>6239668
>what file does Steam actually launch?
Dosbox.exe
Rename gzdoom.exe to dosbox.exe
Mods need to prescribed in [autoload] gzdoom.ini

>>6239920
Well, I mean, if you are playing Wrath of Earth, you could just as well be playing In Extremis, because it's not like the latter is more obscure than than the former - and In Extremis at least fucks with your mind in genuinely interesting ways - despite being a huge - intentional - pain in the dick. In fact, I think, Wrath of Earth was flat out directly influenced by In Extremis - and boy does it suck as its replacement.

>>6239928
I am sorry for this fit verbal diarrhea, but I'll just finish what I've started.
In Extremis is, at the very least, smart. Obnoxious, but smart. Wrath of Earth is JUST obnoxious. There.

>>6239907
>Level was sculpted triangle per triangle or vertex per vertex
That's stupid, ridiculously time consuming (at least 20 times more than brush method) and you'd never get any quality content that way. No level was ever done like this.

>>6239936
Interesting.
You see, low-poly modelling is like the only medium where something like that could realistically be pulled off at all.
Something like 5 years ago, I had an idea of a certain low-poly game, nothing ever came out of it.
Anyway, point is, I wanted to do things that way, but, basically, what dawned on me is that if I was doing something like that, then dataglove would be a tool of choice since it would allow me to, literally, sculpt. However those things cost an arm and a leg, so.
I mean, I could imagine doing something like that with a glove, and I quickly realized doing the same thing with the mouse or touchpad, handplacing and moving vertexes in virtual 3d space, would be, in comparison, a torture.

tapeworms suck anii is still one of my favorite map titles and one that i seem to find myself quoting because i'm an autist

>>6239947
Moreover, even if I coughed up and got a good dataglove, it's not like it would have firmware or tool-level support for the sort of things I hand in mind for it, I would have to basically write the modelling software myself. Probably even up to the driver level to make sure certain glove gestures are properly distinguished and understood. And, well, I could see myself educating myself for that, but.
Well, those things, good ones, cost an arm and a leg regardless, so.

>>6239916
Don't forget Ultimate Doom.

>>6239907
A brush is any convex shape thats part of the world. And they must be convex due to the game's map compiling & rendering logic. They do start off as a cube. I dont know what a parallelepiped is, but the possibilities of how easy it is to create shapes is dependent on what editor you use since that determines what kind of operations you can perform. Anyways, i dont understand why youre so interested in a level with zero copy-pasting. There would be no benefit to the level designer or final product.

>>6239947
>>6239954
Get Nifscope. It allows editing a model vertex-to-vertex. Pull a model from a Morrowind, which is reasonably low poly.
Try to make a minor edit using vertexes only.
Test how long it would take to drive you mad.

Do you know how many vertexes there are in a basic pyramid? If your answer is 4, then you are wrong. The answer is 12. Because one point is actually several vertex with same coords depending on how many tris meet at that spot (3 in case of a pyramid). And if you want to manually edit a pyramid to be seamless you'd have to manually align all vertexes of connected tris to actually connect. For every minor edit of a lowpoly model you'd have to manually adjust 3-5 or more vertexes, if you restrict yourself only to vertex manipulation.

The way you describe it - you want not vertex manipulation.
You want brush manipulation.
The thing Trenchbroom already does.
its open source. Just add support to whatever VR glove you want to use to sculpt and get to it.

>>6239978
Updated my journal. Thanks.

>>6239978
>If your answer is 4, then you are wrong. The answer is 12. Because one point is actually several vertex with same coords depending on how many tris meet at that spot (3 in case of a pyramid). And if you want to manually edit a pyramid to be seamless you'd have to manually align all vertexes of connected tris to actually connect. For every minor edit of a lowpoly model you'd have to manually adjust 3-5 or more vertexes, if you restrict yourself only to vertex manipulation.
The way around it would be to have the ability to cluster vertexes, so they could only be shifted or rotated as a group, all the vertexes in the cluster at once. So you align them once, cluster them, then work with that vertex cluster, and they never get un-aligned, whatever you do, as long as you don't add any new ones there, then you just re-cluster them. I don't know whether the tool you named has a support for that sort of thing though.

>>6239991
>so they could only be shifted or rotated as a group
so... What Trenchbroom does?

>>6240005
Well, if you view the level as one giant brush, and not necessarily convex one too, then maybe?
I was talking about clustering vertexes that meet at the same spot, locking them together - all the while retaining all the connections they have to any other vertexes, regardless of whether clustered themselves in turn or not.

>>6240013
Actually
Actually
>>6239978
I think I get what you MIGHT be trying to convey?
That I could sort of imitate what I describe in Trenchbroom by custom-making brushes, those convex shapes, and using them exactly once, each one, over the entire course of the level, like bricks?
Regardless, I have never considered such an idea before. Regardless of whether that's what you were leading to or not, you have my thanks.

>>6239413
> designers attempt to lead players from one arena to the next while leaving downtime in between large encounters with intermittently placed enemies and minor exploration.
I don't think that describes John Romero's level design philosophy at all. Aside from E2M2, my favorite Doom level, I think the greatest video game levels ever made were Episode 1, which was, besides E1M4 and E1M6, designed by John Romero

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptHurafdCoQ

>>6240027
E1M4 was a Tom Hall WIP which John Romero finished, E1M6 was designed by John Romero alone. E1M8 was another Tom Hall WIP which John Romero finished.

>>6240027
>>6240041
So Romero's a talentless hack
Tell me something I don't know

>>6240059
>Tell me something I don't know
What you're talking about for start

>>6237552
I know isn't it disgusting?
There was a time autism and stealth marketing was shunned but now it's embraced with open arms by creatively bankrupt YouTubers and game devs, particularly "retro shooters" crowds stuck constantly making referencing like Borderlands thinking they're on a high horse for embracing their roots in undisputed classics. When in fact their cringelords who are trapped in the past unable to create anything near the magnitude of the things they praise. Constantly recycling ideas into the Doom Quake architecture waiting for their positive Civvie and Gman review while making bank from suckers who buy limited and digital "collector's" trinkets that appeal to impulse buyers with no money management.
Romero will peddle this same shit because sitting on his ass for decades in his potato-laden shithole unsurprisingly isn't very lucrative unless onions-infused neckbeards pay 666 shillings to the Lepperconman for a USB drive of Bucketheads greatest hits and a Doom WAD by the "legend" himself.
But it's good other anons are starting to catch on.

>>6240073
Sick burn from the flames of Baphomet
Sigil 2 will be the redemption we've all been waiting for
Dooms TRUE 6(66)the episode
Featuring Yngwie Malmsteen OST

The current Bethesda ports of doom have no trophies for ultra violence completion but do have a trophy for completing the game on nightmare in co op only. Absolute whack shit

Finally got around to making a "voice" for this weirdo.

>>>/wsg/3319834

>>6240110
Shadows of the Empire is an interesting choice for the jump.

>>6240126
It was also in Dark Forces, but Shadows of the Empire is where I know it from too. It's a cool as fuck jump sound.

I'm also gonna add a feature for the default set's pistol where if you run out of ammo you'll have a backup laser mode that'll operate similar to the blaster pistol from Shadows of the Empire.

>>6240110
Good shit!

>>6240110
why do you keep living in the past and not do something thats related to old nes games

>>6240150

we are in /vr/

>>6240150
>why do you keep living in the past
>DOOM THREAD / RETRO FPS THREAD

>>6240150
Because the NES is cool. It's a console very near and dear to my heart, I grew up with it, and some of my happiest days with family and friends involved that little gray toaster.

>>6240150
can it run Doom?

Why can't I open my custom monster in Doom Builder?
It's supposed to appear in decorate but I can't make it
I read somewhere that I need GZdoom builder to do that
But I remember doing this same thing in vanilla Doom builder years ago.
Any help?

>>6240194
Forgot image

>>6240041
Ah sorry, that's right, it wasn't E1M6 that wasn't made my Romero, it was E1M8. I remember I read part of the reason he made those two levels is so that he could play an entire episode of Doom with levels made solely by him

>>6239487
The way they just... pop out of existence after a while looks weird

>>6240206
Can do a slightly randomized fadeout

>>6240150
i don't understand the question

I just finished uploading my Crispy Doom deathless Nightmare! Episode 1 run onto youtube :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZ--GxnEbYQ

What are your favorite/some really good limit removing megawads?

>>6240220
Damn it! I am not happy with how loud the music is :( I need to re-upload with the music volume turned down

i remember DD_flashlight working fine in multiplayer, but it apparently doesn't anymore, can anyone recommend me a flashlight mod that works with GZ 2.1.1?

>>6240150
why do you keep living?

Has anyone ripoed all the classic Q1 skins in QC yet?

Do anyone knows which maps are these?

>>6240243
nvm fixed

you either have to enable cheats or re-compile the acs script to toggle the flashlight with a net flag

Here is my deathless run of Doom Episode 1 on Nightmare! difficulty using the Crispy Doom source port. I uploaded it just now :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b_pgMi9JmM

And here is the same run performed on GZDoom, so newfriends can see the differences between the two source ports:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlu_B4l5TZE

>>6240331
1 - ?
2 - Ter Shibboleth map 5
3 - jam9_pulsar
4 - ad_sepulcher

>>6239260
thats on my list, looks fun.
>>6239273
I actually got it to work last night, so all is well. But i can see the reason behind the negative opinions of BD even more now. It was an okay/amusing switch up with doom 1 and doom 2's maps, but i loaded it into Winter's Fury just for shits and giggles and it trivialized the first level to the point of losing what made me like the WAD in the first place. Being able to simply mow down everything completely ruined the intensity and frantic feeling of the first level.

>>6240347
Based boomer thanks

>>6240150
>why do you keep living in the past
>why do you keep playing a 26 y/o game on killing cartoon poo monsters & the same monster but different colors?

>>6240223
sacrament
speed of doom
tht

>>6240380
>Sacrament
Thats one i've heard about more than once, what ports does it work on?

Nice wad, but the weapons are too big and not really balanced. Why would you ever use the heavy bolter or the storm bolter if they deal less damage by bullet compared to normal bolter? Also the plasma rifle takes half the fucking screen.

>>6239054
> If i want to load a WAD and a modification like BD or HD into it, how do i go about that with GZdoom?
Download a program called "Doom Mod Loader," or learn to use command lines. I recommend Doom Mod Loader because once you start adding a bunch of mods you get command lines that look like this:
>gzdoom -iwad doom.wad -file idkfav2.wad sprites.pk3 caulkpc.pk3 sm4bbgorev2.pk3 bbgore_colored_blood_for_cacodemons_and_bruisers_vanilla.pk3 perk_enhanced.pk3 mblur104.pk3 spriteshadow_v19.pk3 tiltplusplus_v165.pk3 weaponsway_v1.pk3 steve_flashlight.pk7 worldgamma.pk3 -warp 3 1 -record e3_nm -skill 5
You will still need command lines for GZDoom if you want to record your own demos, and you need command lines for Crispy Doom becuase DML doesn't work with Crispy Doom.

Has this been posted yet?

>>6240391
standard gzdoom and z&. plus it's pretty as shit

>>6240397
did they add vengeance launchers and meltas?

>>6240425

>>6240449
No clue, but there's a grenade launcher and a lascanon. No melta yet, not sure what Vengeance is.

>>6240223
Struggle: Antaresian Legacy

I decided to buckle up and turn Brutal Doom (yeah, yeah...) into something playable, for myself. I've modded other games, but never Doom.
Unpacked the pk3, then packed it back, unmodified. Now it spits out sprite errors that it didn't before. Wat do? I thought pk3=zip?
Wanna start by removing the replacement graphics: fonts, liquids, medkits. Further plans include unfucking the menus, uncluttering the inventory, resolving pistol/rifle clusterfuck, restoring the spectres. Any pointers? I'll figure it out on my own, but I'd appreciate some overview on the general structure of things.

>>6240476
Get slade, and yeah it is indeed just PK3=Zip

>>6240331
the first one is from QUMP I think

>>6236578
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ0LIjqHy7U

>>6239276
>>6239302
>>6239578
Has anyone made a simple replacement for Vanilla Doom that changes the Clip word to "Magazine" or even "Bullets"?

I already play Hid Dest, but going back to vanilla and seeing Clips used for chaingun and pistol really chaff my autism.

If I plan to some day create a proper wad with several maps, do I need to plan anything ahead or will I be able to merge several independent wads into one?

>>6240162
>>6240164
>>6240169
>>6240182
>>6240214
>>6240380
Stop being such boomer gloomers you twats.

>>6240197
custom monsters need editor ID's to work. in decorate its "actor (name) (ID)". you might need to add an ID yourself. zdoom wiki has a list of editor ID's so you can avoid a duplicate.

>>6240734
Get your own board. /notvr/

>>6240710
in doom builders save options menu you can choose "save map into" and select a wad to add it to.
make sure its not the same map number though... i remember i overwrote and lost one of my first maps that way heh
you can also use slade to simply copy-paste the contents of one wad into another

https://youtu.be/SiRnMuXOwDQ

>>6240734
go back to /v/ you faggot.

>>6239916
Dark Forces is the only worth playing in that list.
>Descent
see>>6239840

Why does my Crispy only boot Doom 2? It boots 1 fine from the warp menu.

>>6240804
Both descent and terminal velocity are good. I like hexen too, but I acknowledge it's faults.

>>6240806
Most source ports will load doom2.wad in preference to any other iwad present in its search path. Use the -iwad parameter to change which iwad is used. So assuming you're using the command line, crispy-doom -iwad doom.wad

Worth it?

I decided to stop making a big complex map for a moment and make something in scale of Dead Simple. Except instead of the mancubi hunt, you run around the lava pit dodging the cyberdemon.

Fatboy got some minor updates.
https://fatboy.site/

Am I correct in thinking I can crush Commander Keens to make an extra delayed action? On any level.

Got a weird one that I'm not really finding an answer for on the forums but is there any way to fix this weird mouse issue for prboom+ that just stops the mouse input for half a second sometimes when you're turning? It gets worse in combat as well, I'm not sure what's causing it, I don't have this issue with any other source port.

I'm getting some weird behaviour. Is Cyberdemon immune to crushers all of the sudden?

>>6240919
Try turning with the keyboard to see if it's an input issue

All I want is Return To Caslte Wolfenstein but with richer map design (more props and detailed original maps).
Will it ever happen? Like a 1:1 remake with better tech?