/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6240303

People prefer mindlessly glued together set of levels which is the first Quake.

>>6240303
Lacked any kind of creative spark. Felt like a tech demo. Boring enemy design. Exact same levels the entire way through. Basically the same shit for every iD Software release post-Romero.

>>6240303
Because it wasn't a graphically updated Quake1.

>>6240303
It's good, but everything starts blending together by the end. I love starting it up, but rarely actually finish it.

>>6240303
it's like 6 textures for the entire game — visually mind-numbing

>>6240303
ah, the only good quake game <3

>>6240308
>Romero is overrated, they say

>Id with Romero
>releases a new game every year, each increasingly more revolutionary and groundbreaking

>Id post-Romero
>Makes only uninspired, soulless tech demos, which take 5 years in average to develop

>>6240362
Commander Keen
Wolfenstein 3d
Doom
Doom 2
Ultimate Doom
Quake

>Romero quits
Quake 2
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Quake 3
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Doom 3
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Betheshit buys Id
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Rage
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Doom 2016
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Doom Eternal

>>6240354
it really is
q3 mp doesnt count

>>6240372
They released rage before the Bethesda aquisition you stupid nigger

>>6240303
eh the gameplay is slow as fuck, nothing feels like it has impact and generally pretty boring, I like the enemy designs and graphics though

>>6240303
not as retro as q1

>>6240372
none of those games are objectively bad though, even rage has things going for it

>>6240303
Because it didn't resemble Quake 1.

The soundtrack is still the best. Fuck Reznor's overrated ambient non music

>>6240456
Check again, subhuman retard

>>6240303
No one hates it, its a great game. Some people were confused by the jump of theme/no connection with Q1, because it wasn't originally going to be a "Quake" game.

>>6240487
“Bad” isn’t a word that I would use, but “mediocre” definitely is

>>6240496
>no one hates it
there were so many better fps games at the time, only Q1 and Q3A are good fight me

>>6240501
quake 3 is mediocre now
it's ok if you are 18 and didn't play it at the time

>>6240521
>Y-y-you had to be there!!!!
Says the zoomer that wasn't even born at the time

Save me, Romero.

>>6240496
>change of setting
This is the weirdest thing for me, they sent from some gothic horror thing to a scifi HR Giger mash-up. Both styles are awesome, but people who really loved the first one are understandably put off by the sequel.

The heavy metal sequel in 2 is far superior to the predecessor though, anyone should be able to see that

>>6240704
>giger
Huh? Trans human body horror maybe but there isn’t really any giger to it
Also 2 does worse in all aspects compared to quake 1

>>6240543
it's ok to be autistic too

>>6240685
>wanting to be saved by a literal cuck

>>6240303
It's a /vr meme

Way better shooters from 1997 alone. Truth be told, Quake 2 is a jack of all trades as a multiplat. The Deathmatch is great but the single player needs more work. Its a fun campaign but I wish someone would make a mod that Quake 1-ifies it

>>6240303
I think it's an alright game, it's just I think the first one is a lot more fun.

>>6240685
John Romero openly stated that Quake 2 was one of the best games he had ever played when it was released, and that's with him having a huge falling out with iD and being shitty about it at every opportunity.

>>6240704
The gothic horror locales and themes of Q1 is much more fun and exciting to me than Q2.

>>6240685
PSA: Zoomers and resetera created this meme because they hate quake 2 and 3 for making fun of their croud.
Also Romero loves quake 2 and he had to say that lots of times, since he loves borg and MP

In fact, the niggeasshole who created it is from Quake Mapping Discord channel

>>6241250
Q2 has more potential for mapping than Q1, is just the Damn tileset being only Strogg, you could create more but people are too lazy to do that.
also Q2 map size is bigger but no one uses that.

Fortunately we are getting more good Stuff with Q2 of late, all it needs now is a map jam.

It's fucking trash dude.

>>6240704
>Cyborgs
>Aliens
>"Omg that's sooooo like totally like Giger!!!"

>>6241250
The multiplayer is definitely much stronger than the singleplayer. I think Quake 2's weakness is that the first couple of hours are not as well made as they could have been, it gets a LOT better as it goes.

>>6242203
>Zoomers and resetera created this meme because they hate quake 2 and 3 for making fun of their croud
They did? And it did?
Also I thought popular opinion was that Quake 3 was a pretty solid multiplayer game, and I hear that from plenty of people who resented the lack of a real singleplayer campaign.

>since he loves borg
I love the Strogg for basically being the heavy metal album cover version of The Borg (alternatively The Borg as interpreted by Heavy Metal magazine). All the weird and gory cyborg shit is just great.

>>6242203
>Zoomers and resetera created this meme because they hate quake 2 and 3 for making fun of their croud
what the fuck does that mean

>>6242271
Q4 is underrated but the machine body horror that that and ETWQ did resumed the strogg well.
Q2 had the best weapon design, and Xpacs gave more variety, people say "sponge enemies" but forgets that only 2 or 3 enemies are for a reason, and all of them fall easy to 1 or 2 point blank shots of the super shotgun.

>>6242292
Strogg as transcended beings and some of Q3 bots as transhumanists who became cyborgs.
but since their pea-brains cant understand the meaning of it, i saw them seething over it, they hate most of id games because of it.

>>6242297
Anon, no, Resetera aren't transhumanists, they're transgender, it's a different kind of crazy.

>>6240303
Meh level design. The multi connected areas idea was done better by Hexen
Most weapons are not satisfying.
Not nearly as good of multiplayer and mods as Q1

Its not a bad game by any means, one of the better FPSs of it's time even. It just felt like a downgrade from Q1.

>>6242310
>The multi connected areas idea was done better by Hexen
I can't say I agree, mostly because Hexen's combat puts me to sleep.

As a normal game it's amazing but as an id title it's only very good. For me DM on The Edge was just amazing - we used to play this map for years on LAN.

QuakeII's weakness was that it seemed more conforming to what an AAA titel should be... it didn't seem to have the balls of old. One could sense that they were slowly using their unique charme.

>>6242315
I love everything about Hexen except for the limited 4 weapons, where you use 1 80% of the time.

>>6242319
There's preciously little variation for most of the game. I know the Flechettes have different effects depending on your class, but I still think it's not enough.

It's not bad by any means. It just stopped being relevant once Quake 3 was released.

>>6240303
>>6240303
>>6240303

Because it wasn't Quake, because it was really show-offy for 1997, because games year later blew it away entirely, because the single player campaign was an afterthought next to the multiplayer, because the game was DARK AF on anything but the glide api, because it wasn't made like the mess that Quake 1 could've been and lacked all the bizarre compromises the team made in order to get it out on time.

>>6240372
You missed done games but Romero was never the power House behind id no matter what his fanboys will tell you. Carmack has always been the cutting edge tech guy and id made a lot of great tech demos but that's mostly what they are. As tech stagnated there wasn't any way to go from doom to quake again. Doom three was extremely impressive for the time but it came at the expense of gameplay. Something no other id game had to do just because tech changed and now the bottle neck wasn't a lack of workable design but limited power to enhance the current design

Quake 2 is fine. It's a fun if generic fps. It went in to define most modern fps games weapons by proxy if three

>>6240685
>Save me, Romero
>not Make me your bitch, Romero

>>6240305
>mindlessly

Congrats, you showed everyone you're a retard who eats paste. Now what's the next step of your plan?

>>6240372
Ironic how the second best Quake game wasn't even made by ID

>visuals are lacking
>boring enemies
>easy enemies
>weapons are a step down
>weapon animations and sound is worse
>level design is okay
It's just a step down in every way from Quake 1.

>>6240372
What has Romero done after Id?

>>6240303
The weapon switching is so slooooooooowwwwwwwww

>>6240303
Please try my singleplayer maps:

https://www.moddb.com/mods/sonic-mayhem
https://twitter.com/Colonthreee/status/1234615435779301382

>>6246314
DieKatana.

The game really killed his career.

>>6246314
Not much, as said he kinda sank himself with Dai-Katana. He still has talent, Sigil was a pretty good set of levels for Doom, clearly he would still be map designer of value to any FPS production he was attached to, of standout value even, as he can actually sculpt a level with some non-linearity and exploration, without it either being a wide sandbox or a linear rail assembled from premade chunks, which would be the dominant styles you'll see in modern FPS.

I think he's just content with doing smaller scale stuff these days, probably far less stressful, and probably with far less ego clashing.

>>6246397
Nobody needs a map designer nowadays. You either make fuckhuge empy open world or go full on linear.

>>6246529
At least for AAA, yeah.
There's some games which I like with levels like that, but they're by far the most dominant today, and it leaves little variety, many are even very similar, such as every sandbox game published by Ubisoft in the past 7 years.

>>6242292
it means he's schizophrenic

>>6241250
>I wish someone would make a mod that Quake 1-ifies it
Just for you, mate. This is the Generations mod that got cease and desisted by id before Quake 3 came out (it used textures and models directly from Quake 1, as well having a similar plot idea to Q3).

https://mega.nz/#!0J4W3Aob!ly88qGnQwce97Q55JokYijIhT1BkdgTKhT_AFbdaTtk

Quake 1 rules
Quake 2 rules
fuck the haters

>>6240303
is there a good playthrough of this game? I wanna check it out

>>6247764
Can't tell if serious. You disgust me either way.

>>6247770
who cares? kill yourself, won't make a difference to anything

Generic and generally drab setting and "story". There were some banger moments in SP but as a whole it felt like a dev tech demo. Before you knew it Q3 came out and that was that.

>>6240303
its too brown

>>6246314
he gave us deus ex and anachronox, maybe not on purpose or by his own hand, but i still appreciate him for that

>>6240303
I don't think anyone hates it, but it's overshadowed by Q1 for its single player and Q3A for its multiplayer.

>>6251935
Quake 2's multiplayer is pretty much as good as Quake 3's, arguably better, depending on who you'd ask.
I remember it back in the day, it was amazing.