/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6226697
Just remember that you can't play certain games that run on your hardware like Max Payne. If you do, your thread will get deleted.

>>6226767
That thread was a farce anyway

>>6226767
Max Payne requires Direct X 8 video card hardware, the earliest of which came out in 2000 or 2001. Not retro. Go kill yourself fucking retard. If you can't play the game on a 1999 hardware platform or earlier, it's not retro. The rules aren't hard to understand.

x86 compatibility goes back almost 40 years

>>6226697
>asking for advice on /vr/
surely this will go well

>>6226697
ISA is important if you want to play DOS games. PCI soundcards are absolutely useless for DOS. Soundblaster AWE64 Value is good if you want something that can do: AWE64, AWE32, MIDI and SB16 in one. AWE64 Gold is better but it's also around 100 bucks these days.

The need for ISA is overblown, my first pc was a 486 with a pci soundblaster, worked fine in most dos games. Its more important that it has agp, If you can get one with isa but if you can't you will just have less options. I got this old HP and the agp slot was not included, pretty crap for what was an expensive pc at the time.

>>6226773
>how do you do fellow millenials

Nope, try again zoomer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGEdRmTVPuQ

>>6226791
>256 sd ram 133 mhz
That's 2000. Not retro. You owned yourself.
As a side note, the Pentium 3 EB 800mhz is less than 2 weeks from being not retro.

>>6226815
3Dfx Voodoo 3 2000 launch: April 3, 1999

Cope and Seeth.

>>6226815
>That's 2000. Not retro.
Then why are Deus Ex threads given a pass?

>>6226831
>zoom why zoom cry zoom
This thread is about Pentium III builds, fuck off. with your 6th gen derailment attempt.

>>6226697
Honestly, you'd be better off with a later model P2 and something like an ATI Rage Pro.

>>6226776
Hoping for mustard gas

>>6226697
Operating systems are platforms, your autistic denial notwithstanding.

Asus P2B-F is what I use

>>6226697
I have been saving up to build a J-Win98SE for a couple years now, and I am getting close. I was going to ask /g/ for some help in what would be best as I was (and still am) poor meaning I could only have AMD parts from my old 286/386/486 to Athlon XP/X2 so this will be my first time having the luxurious and superior Intel parts to work with.

Since I still have a 486DX4, I figured the P3 is a good next step to try out J-Win98SE. I have a 1.266Ghz and 1.4Ghz P3 but my issue are the choices. The left motherboard can used the 1.4, but only recognizes 1.266 at most, but it has an ISA slot. The right motherboard supports the 1.4 but is limited to 512MB of RAM and no ISA slots. I was only able to afford one CL2 stick of 512MB RAM, the rest are cheap CL3 sticks of 512MB RAM.

I also have no idea what to do with sound as well. I fondly remember OPL2 sound from my original SoundBlaster. Which is why I think people emphasize the ISA slot, and even then I have a choice.

I'm seeking answers for your similar questions.

>>6226697

Voodoo3 would be nice, but they're hard to find at a good price as 3dfx stuff is very sought after. You can get a Geforce2 for just a few bucks, but you'd lose the Glide compatibility. A Matrox G400 is also not a bad choice, they say those have the best picture quality.

You don't necessarily need the Voodoo unless you feel like spending the extra cash on one, or can find one for cheap. There are a lot of Glide wrappers that will run fine with Nvidia cards of the era.

As for the sound card, I have an Audigy 2 and it works fine although I have yet to mess around with the DOS drivers, but they do exist. Just do some research regarding whatever you pick up.

Check out Vogons for any build questions/ drivers / etc. that you need

>>6226786
those bloated caps look ready to pop

>>6227005
you could use both audigy 2 zs and that diamond mx300 in the same machine. That way you get EAX, A3D and some basic sound blaster compatibility

>>6227653
That sounds like a driver mess which may destabilize an already unstable Win98. I think it may be easier to use the mobo on the left with one of the ISA cards (Pro or AWE32) with only DOS drivers and a PCI card for Windows only. The Diamond Monster Sound is not the sound I remember/have for DOS games, and the only A3D game I played was Q3, I think UT uses EAX. The only other A3D games I may try are Undying and Alice (I think they use A3D). So maybe the Audigy alone would be enough. Please correct me where I may be wrong, as I skipped 95/98 to 2000 and I've only used Creative cards.

I use a P4SCA and once I cobbled together the necessary 98 divers it runs like a raped ape. It was made in like 2004 though so you might as well just ban me the same way all the people who discuss PSOnes get banned.

>>6226697
isa slots are necessary if you want good sounding dos games, pci cards with decent support exist, but isa is much easier to get running.
don't forget that you can just install 2 sound cards if you want surround sound for windows games (I myself have a sb16 and sb pci128).
the voodoo 3 is not that good unless you specifically want to play glide games.
get a geforce, those outperform the rest fo the cards.
if you want to stay /vr/ accurate get a geforce 256 (launched at the end of 1999).
I've never used flat pc crt's, but don't fear using a lcd screen, pc games aren't that reliant on crt's unlike consoles.

>>6226773
4:15 max payne running on a geforce 256 which is a dx7 card
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8dZ-NAX4dw

you can actually sort of get away with no ISA slot in a p3 for dos games. its not really recommended though. Ive used an sb live using vxd drivers and the sound was fine but I couldnt get it to work with my sc-55. Ive also used a YMF744 that will work with my sc-55 but some games audio are trash. Blood and Duke 3D have popping audio with the YMF744. Which really sucks because the whole reason I even got a p3 was so I could play blood and duke at 800x600 with a decent frame rate. I have a socket 7 machine with a k6 2+ with ISA slots so its not the end of the world for me personally but I still wish I had gotten a p3 machine with ISA slots though. If you arent playing any DOS games then you dont need to worry about it at all. I'm trying to keep my eyes open for a ESS Solo 1 and seeing if that works better in my P3 machine.

Your thread is retarded. Just run a vm

>>6228867
don't spend more money on shit hardware and get a motherboard with an isa slot.
all of the pci soundcards have a flaw and I've read that that yamaha you have is the very best you can get, so it will only get worse if you replace it.
this thread is a good start to find one:
https://www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=45876

>>6228929
yea im pretty much done gambling on ancient hardware. I should just be happy with K6 2+ machine. It does every thing I want basically.

>>6226774
What went right?

>>6228821
What motherboard and RAM?

>>6229098
can't read russian but I have a geforce 256 running on a p3b-f equipped with a p3 866mhz and 448mb of ram.
don't have max payne installed but I could test it I guess.

>>6227005
For best classic sound, you'd ideally go for something like an AdLib Gold card, but really anything with OPL2 or OPL3 is probably good enough.
Creative SoundBlaster cards tend to be cheaper with lower quality sound, but if you're trying to make a classic PC on a budget (lol), then sure, go with that.

>>6229116
>448mb of ram
Not retro.

>>6226697
you can negate the need for ISA by getting a pci sound card like the aureal vortex 2 (which is going to be good for win9x stuff anyways) and then getting a dreamblaster s2 or x2 wavetable add on.
I'm currently making a retro station out of an old P4 optiplex I had laying around and am limited to pci audo and video, I would seek out AGP slots over ISA slots if you're going to be playing anything demanding or dipping into the 2002 - 2004 range.

>>6229185
Depends on if it's DDR or not.

>>6228614
That's really some design that heat sink has going there.

>>6229185
You're ignoring the "866 mhz" part

>>6229185
>>6229191
are you retarded or didn't read it's a p3b-f?
it has 4 memory slots and maxes out at 1gb with 4 sdr double sided 256mb sticks.

here is the manual so you can educate yourself:
https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/mb/slot1/440bx/p3b-f/p3bf-104.pdf

>>6229197
I'm not talking about the motherboard. What year were the model of RAM sticks released, stupid?

>>6229202
I have
1 256mb stick
1 128mb stick
1 64mb stick
256mb sticks already existed by the end of 1999 and the manual states.

>>6229196
you got me on that one. close the thread then.
I originally had a p2 400mhz, but not anymore.

>>6229185
zoom

>>6229206
What are the models of the RAM sticks so we can know the year of release?

>>6229263
irrelevant.
a 133mhz sdr ram manufactured in the 90's will perform the same as one released yesterday just as a launch ps1/dreamcast performs the same as a ps1 slim/dreamcast manufactured after year 2000.

>>6229276
Damn, you bounced the fuck out of that backseat janny.

>>6229202
>>6229263
i just stuck a brand new 240 gb ssd in a 25mhz 386sx laptop purely to spite you. it can only see the first 504 mb and i dont even care, slurp my taint

>>6229164
I started with the original SoundBlaster in the 286-12 of my youth, so that is the sound I am most nostalgic for, such that I think the samples distinguished it above AdLib. The left motherboard has a single ISA slot which I figure could be used with 98's DOS mode. I have a couple of CT1600s which I think is OPL2, and a CT3980 which I am unsure is OPL3 or emulated Yamaha. I got in my tax return, so I can now get a couple of 16MB SIMMs for the AWE32.

>>6229195
That is the concept behind that brand of heatsink which I am also undecided about. The manufacturer C&C-ed the aluminum pins such that they have more surface area than regular fins, with the concept that they are heated into a large copper slab for more cooling. They advertised that aspect of those coolers back then, but what I find more advantageous to choosing that one is the fan looks like it can be replaced with a modern Noctua NF-A6x25 which may be quieter. However it's downside is massive: that is a real copper block, which makes it out of AMD specs in weight. It is the heaviest CPU heat sink I have ever encountered (more than any modern Noctua, Scythe, or Arctic Cooling by far) which can be used to beat someone to death with. It may restrict the case to be horizontal rather than vertical tower as its weight can tear motherboards in half. Another positive is that its retention can engage all 3 hooks of the socket. The increased height of the P3 and difficulty of finding any suitable socket370 coolers is difficult.

>>6229276
>irrelevant
Relevant. If you don't say the year of the hardware platform, you're not able to prove the platform is retro.
Not retro until proven otherwise.

>>6229485
The sdram pc133 standard is retro you retard, it was launched in 96.

Is an N64 manufactured in 2001 not retro according to your stupid ass?

>>6229504
>256mb stick
>1996
Provide the model (manufacturer and model number) of your RAM sticks to verify that they're retro or fuck off.
You would have already provided them but you can't because it will show that it's not retro.
Faggot.

>>6229519
>256mb ram didn't exist in the '90s
Zoom zoom

>>6229519
bro I have 256 mb of ram in my socket 7 mobo and socket 7 came out in 1995. It didnt come with this stick and its way over kill for this machine but you're being retarded.

>>6227643
That sux, I thought it was bad enough not having agp, I got it for free in hard rubbish a few weeks ago and it has a nice period correct hp case. I wanted to make timecapsule for 2000 of a home pc that was upgraded for maximized 90s games. It is also a pentium 4 but pic related should make up for it

>>6229504
People still played 90s games on 2000s + pcs. I remember using a p2 400 in 2001 and thinking it was amazingly fast. I would often buy games a couple of years old on discount in the 2000s for my p133 + voodoo 2.

>>6227605
I used a geforce 2 mx as a way to upgrade my old 1998 pc to run quake 3.

>>6226697
I used to have an intel 440bx pentium 2, seemed alright but I used it mainly for windows games but the sound chip was good for midi music

I've used a pentium 4 to run quake 1 at really high resolutions, a pentium 3 could be better for compatibility with windows 98.

A couple of games I have real trouble running on a pentium 3 are flight unlimited and gt racing 97. I've got a p133 motherboard so they should work on that when I got a case for it.

>>6229458
if you are not overclocking the heatsink is not important. just use the more silent one.

>>6229458
The problem with soundblaster is they tended to use cheap components, so the audio signal is much noisier. Also, if those cards have sat unpowered for many years, you really want to check around the caps for any leaks, as those are nearing EOL.

>>6229864
get a good one then?
I recently scored a ct2290, the sound is clean, noice is low and has a real opl3 chip.

>>6229712
replacing caps isn't too hard a job if you're even beginner-level with a soldering iron. I did it for an old socket 478 celeron a few months back and that turned out all right. Probably wouldn't have bothered but it was the first machine I bought with my own money, so.

>>6229551
>>6229580
>256mb stick of RAM from the 90s
Really? What was the brand and model of that stick again?
You got BTFO, face it.
Crucial came out with a 128mb stick in 1999.

Hahahahahahaha
Zoooooooom!

>>6231643
>Hahahahahahaha
>Zoooooooom!
Even your own moms would cringe at that one zoomer

>>6231643
source: my ass

>>6232419
>>6232093
You're still trying to argue there was a 256mb RAM stick in the 90s? Any source? I know you weren't even alive yet, but take it from someone who was, playing games on a computer with a 256mb RAM stick is not retro.
Do some reading and educate yourself little zoom zooms.
Back in the day we had these things called magazines, take a look through this one and let us know what you find out about RAM in the end of 1999.
https://books.google.com/books?id=GVAEAAAAMBAJ
Too difficult?
Here's a clear chart for your zoomer brain that breaks down when different sizes of RAM existed https://jcmit.net/memoryprice.htm
BTFO little faggots.

>>6232434
Micron's 256mb sdr sdram stick came out in 1999, thus making 256mb ram sticks retro.
Consider yourself owned, retard.

>>6232476
>Micron's 256mb sdr sdram stick came out in 1999
No it didn't.
Source?

>>6232476
Also if you're referring to something that wasn't actually in stores, Hitachi developed the first experimental 256mb stick in 1993 http://maltiel-consulting.com/Semiconductor_technology_memory.html and SK Hynix in 1995 https://www.skhynix.com/eng/about/history1990.jsp
But this you would need a consumer 256mb stick that was sold in stores in 1999, with a motherboard, CPU, and video card that were all pre-2000 for the computer to be retro.
Experimental tech doesn't count, otherwise prototypes of 6th gen consoles made in 1999 would be retro.

>>6229098
>>6229185
>>6229202
>>6229263
>>6229485
>>6229519
>>6231643
>>6232434
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>>6232517
obsessed.

>>6232434
I was just laughing an underage tard who shitposted haha zoom. Now I'm laughing at an underage tard who calls things a "RAM stick". You're a sad little LARPer pajeet.

>>6232758
>>6232521
>i can't name the model of the 256mb RAM module that came out in the 90s
>i think 256 RAM modules are retro
KYS zoomers. 6th gen will never be retro.

>>6233047
Everywhere except your dead and stale echo chamber here thinks sixth gen is retro.

Cope, old man.

>>6233047
>i can't understand that someone is making for of me for being a stupid child
>i finally stopped calling S/DIMMs ""RAM sticks"
>i strawman in an desperate attempt to hide my fail
cringe

>when you wanna be a tryhard gatekeeper, but you're underage and only have 89iq so you just end up embarrassing yourself

>>6226849
progressives always win

>>6228867
>Blood and Duke 3D have popping audio with the YMF744
In real dos? I was playing duke3d with opl3 and didn't notice anything.

>>6233221
>cringe
cringe

>>6233064
Not even Reddit thinks sixth gen is retro so you're worse than Reddit.
>>6233216
>>6233221
What was that model number again?

>>6233603
The model number that repeatedly made a fool of itself was (You). You should really fuck off back to facebook, if grandma isn't so embarrassed by your tantrum there that she unfriended you.

>>6233840
Ok so you were wrong about there being a 256MB ram module in the 90s after all? I guess this is what happens when consolefags pretend to know anything about computers.

>>6234841
It's not about the size, but the RAM standard. As long as the modules are PC133 then it's retro.

>>6236371
>words mean what i say
No, then any AGP video card could be retro just because it used the AGP standard.