/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[2-26] WRATH: Aeon of Ruin - Content Update #1 Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkcAWN6LOA&feature=emb_title

[2-24] MetaDoom to change how inventory works and its Dehacked mapset compatibility
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=1bc7f630d04de675d528eb139da9d882&start=1695#p1139257

[2-24] Complex Clusterfuck 4.1 has been released
https://hastebin.com/raw/lecocidofo
https://mega.nz/#F!LB91TKqI!ToGHXZx-4ipB0kL5tzo5Zw
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Edp92Gr590NNd7rCLit5F8yrKm8y9SvJ

[2-24] A new Quake 2 neural upscale texture update has been released
https://github.com/Calinou/quake2-neural-upscale/releases/tag/v2.0.0

[2-24] Someone ripped all of Quake champions models for use
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

[2-24] ZRadar released.
https://gitlab.com/accensi/zradar

[2-24] Nobody told me about id updated to v0.1.8
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&start=120#p1139131

[2-17] Kinsie has released stuff that he stopped working on, allowing people to pick the code for their own purposes
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=67520

[2-16] Doosk, a Dusk TC for Doom, has been released by AlphaEnt2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9E8axNJcM

[2-16] Quality of life improvement small update on the LTG follower;
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67163&p=1134455#p1138185

[2-15] Nobody told me about id updated to V0.1.5
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&start=75

[2-15] New addon for Blood released using Nblood-specific features
https://www.moddb.com/addons/no-hope-in-sight-demo

[2-13] Double Impact is now officially curated
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1228036917524094978?s=20

[2-10] Nobody Told Me About id v0.1.2 - A Build Engine-styled mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMDyzC2ARg&feature=emb_title

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im duke nuke them

Brutal Doom is a fun mod which makes easy IWAD combat more satisfying.

pistol starts suck

Whats your favorite campaign/mappack, any suggestions for someone new to WADS that's beaten all the vanilla content and Hellbound?

I will admit though, I'm committing sin and using Project Brutality literally just for the blood and some of the weapons tho, I changed all the other stuff to vanilla, I'm sorry I like the exploding badguys

>>6227224
Also a follow up, is Project brutality abandoned? I notice Brutal Doom has much more recent updates than it

>>6227229
Project Brutality 3.0 has been in beta for years now. Might as well get one of the latest test builds for it, though it won't be on moddb.

>>6227205
I'm pretty sure /vr/ doesn't care how you play doom desu, hell I've seen good things said about NuDoom 2016 here

From what I've seen this is a community that likes and actually plays games unlike what I'm thinking is your homeboard

>>6227217
I exclusively play retro FPS games with pistol starts, hardest difficulty that isn't a meme and with zero mid level saves.

Question.
I got Quack on Good Old Games (because I'm a dumb moralfag), but it lacks some animations, there's no music, and whenever I finish the episode 3, it counts the episode 1 and 2 as not finished.

>>6227307
Can't speak for the other problems, but i recall having to download the music files separately for it to work.

Brown Archvile variant for the next CH brown beta gonna be fun one

>>6227314
The lack of animation is apparently normal, but the episodes thing was supposed to be patched.

>>6227307
you've bought it so you may as well pirate a version that works.

>>6227326
Might do, but I was curious if it was a common issue. I have a similar issue with Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds : all the musics are missing.
But since I bought it, I'm entitled to try a port that fixes these bugs, right?

i've beaten D1/SIGIL and i'm almost done with D2. What should I play next? Don't know if I should play Final Doom or skip straight to D64
Apart from the SSG, I enjoyed SIGIL more

>>6227329
Moralfag gets what he deserves.

You've gotta download the soundtrack, it's copyrighted so every legal distributor deleted it.
You can download it at Quaddicted iirc.

Use a sourceport such as Quakespasm (or its Quakespasm-Spiked fork if you wanna have your FPS over 72, because in every other sourceport allowing such breaks the physics), or FitzQuake's MarkV.

>>6227332
Play Plutonia, and use a low skill setting if you're new to Dewm.
TNT sucks after the first few levels so you're not missing much if you skip it.
Doom 64 is great

>>6227376
Forgot to mention: The "lack of animation" you refer to is normal. The original game didn't have interpolation between keyframes, that's a feature added a bit later with the GL version of Quake. All major sourceports have animation interpolation turned on by default iirc.

What is the point of Raze anyhow? Aren't the technical underpinnings of eduke32 and it derivatives sound already? It has even been used for commercial games.

>>6227376
>You've gotta download the soundtrack, it's copyrighted so every legal distributor deleted it.
I wish they said it on the GoG page, because the game is sad when it's silent.

>[2-24] Someone ripped all of Quake champions models for use
>still no porn

>>6227412
"Those who desire, but act not breeds pestilence"

>>6227418
the only thing i want to breed is nyx

>>6227332
Just got through doing the same and moved onto Final. If you felt D2 was worse than Sigil give TNT a pass, lots of large square boxes. Feels a lot like those "city" levels in D2.
In Plutonia atm. Its nice, but I hope you like your combat with hoards of skeletons and doors/teleports opening behind you. It's not a trap anymore if I'm expecting it every time.

>>6227421
the only thing you're breeding is pestilence

>>6227435
Thanks, I really didn't like the city levels

>>6227437
hi I'm Pestilence

>>6227332
>and i'm almost done with D2. What should I play next?
Play the No Rest for the Living 'episode' for Doom 2. It's official and the real Doom 2.

>>6227317
uh oh stinky haha pooop

>>6227317
Now THAT's what I call a shitstorm!

Playing BloodGDX, how do I make it so mouseaim won't make me vomit? Doom sourceports use OpenGL and that solves it, but GDX only gives me the render options of classic and polymost, both of which have this weird scaling shit with mouselook.

Some Deus Ex wallpapers.

>>6227596
This one has the clouds edited out because they kind of looked like shit in the original screenshot.

>>6227601
This one is similar, but still technically a different screenshot, but with the clouds left on.

>>6227603

>>6227606

>>6227603
Post the clouds anyway.

>>6227607

>>6227450
Do you have nice boobs

>>6227262
nigga you just came in randomly and posted like my favorite doom art of all time

thanks

>>6227412
I could *maybe* look at someone to do something simple with Slash, because I'm a sucker for goth and punk girls, but they'd have to be available and be willing to do some work on the models. It'll probably cost money, which I may or may not be willing to spend.

>want to get a quick gaming fix without a lot of story
>not spend lots of time
>I used to play for hours at a time in 94-99 fps games
>be me now
>load a iD or Build game
>play 10-15 mins
>start getting really tired, dizzy
>sometimes nauseous
>sensory overload
>anxiety goes up

Is it over for me? Boomers can't play iD/Build games?
Something that helps a little is turning the volume down and go 'turbo 75' (not sure how to do that on Build games though).

Is the vulkan fork of quakespasm good enough for regular use?

>>6227757
You might be getting affected by the viewbob + weapon sway, GzDoom lets you adjust the values for both of them, see if it gets better if you turn them down, or outright turn them off.

Takes some away from the visuals, of course, but it's better than not being able to play at all.

>>6227774
i will look. Can I find these for Quakespasm and Ion Fury too?

>>6227494
This. KDITD/Sigil are D1, NRFTL is D2. Everything else is shitty shit.

>>6227780
I actually can't answer that. Quakespasm is reasonably customizable, so *maybe*.

>>6227805
Tried on zandorum brutal doom 64.
It is much better when the gun is fixed. Doesn't look as dynamic but I can play, thanx.

>>6227332
No Rest for the Living
Master Levels for Doom 2
Final Doom
Doom 64

>>6227780
QS: cl_bob 0, cl_rollangle 0

>>6227768
it lacks a couple obscure cvars.
other than that, it seems more reliable than QS-Spiked, has decoupled FPS/physics, has underwater warp and has mipmapped water. should be identical to QS otherwise.

>>6227607
I just noticed that ceiling texture alignment.
Heck.

>>6227862
>Master Levels for Doom 2
Don't be mean, anon.

>>6227575
C'mon Bloodfags I know you're here. I want it to look like that Civvie video.

>>6227332
Thy Flesh Consumed, Plutonia

How about some crazy good stuff then:

Alien Vendetta
Sunlust
Back to Saturn X
Ancient Aliens
Vanguard

To spice things up or to change the mod all together, try it with stuff like Complex Doom, Brutal Doom, D4T or Guncaster.

Enjoy!

>>6227961
Project Brutality>Brutal Doom...so long as you turn on the lite mode, disable splash FX and screen FX for that needed FPS boost for large maps. If you're gonna lean into the gorey and over the top aspects of Doom, you may as well go where PB goes.

j/k I love Brutal Doom as much has PB to be desu

>>6227961
is that some HD textures with PBR, or is it PBR for vanilla?
If so, where can I get it?

Slowly getting back into modding after a hiatus. Did some shit with the GL to make the path drawer mode draw directly to the screen instead of spawning actors

>>6227819
Happy to help.

>>6227494
>>6227787

>>6227984
What's so funny?

>>6227376
Actually, on the GOG version you can rip the quake soundtrack from the provided disc files since they left it on for some reason. If you want to go full moralfag, you could do that easily.

>>6227376
>>6228029
Just get DirectQ.

Does anybody actually play Complex Clusterfuck singleplayer? It seems ridiculously bullshit considering legendary enemies.

>>6227329
Don't worry, I'm here!
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1XPS0izCyxaSpiF4qWDka9V1Wq4YALM91

>>6227117
>shitted
it's shat

>>6228050
Nvm disabling legendary imps and zombies leveled the playing field. That shit was nuts.

Redpill me on Quake 2.

>>6228073
TRES-PAS-A

Can anyone help a Linux newbie get BuildGDX running? I have it installed, but Blood won't open. I'm on Mint.

>>6228057
it's also a meme
you dip

>>6228076
'TRUDER

>>6228056
Thanks. I put them in the music folder or something?

>>6228032
Direct Q where?

>>6228071
I take it back it only disabled "true" legendaries. This shit is totally meant for multiplayer only. Shame, I like random spawning shit.

>>6228057
Have you shot yourself today?

>>6228123
There's a torrent, but only one. It's how I got mine, and out of worry that people may stop seeding it someday, uploading to MEGA.

>>6227978
you are a crazy ass wizard mofo anon

>>6227709
slash's model was apparently ripped separately ages ago, someone posted some silly stuff with it a while back and a tumblr sfm artist had a wip with it ages ago

>>6228135
DirectQ
https://mega.nz/#!0AJjgSqY!HHIWVt3sSUZkVYVnL2tIpO3DToh_6toOOzK_tlOqXYk

anyone got the new wrath update?

>>6227307
>but it lacks some animations
it doesnt. quake was animated with keyframes at like 10FPS with no interpolation. you need a sourceport (eg. Quakespasm) to have smooth animations.
>there's no music
pirate the music and, again, use quakespasm
>and whenever I finish the episode 3, it counts the episode 1 and 2 as not finished.
this is a common bug. just use a cheat.

>>6228109
Yes, just copy them. The Ghosts Album I used for Dimensions Of The Past and stuff. Also outright copied all of the music into the folder for Arcane Dimensions, didn't know how to make it play randomly on each map, so I just picked through some random tracks when I entered each level, until I found something I felt suitable.

I really like the music for Scourge Of Armagon and Dissolution Of Eternity, they have that high tempo touch that was missing from regular Quake. I actually quite love the music Reznor did for Quake, and though it has some variety, it's ultimately still just a bunch of ambient tracks.

>>6228184
>Also outright copied all of the music into the folder for Arcane Dimensions
AD plays Quake's music by default. That is intentional.

>>6228191
I know, but over all the different levels I want more variety.

>>6228184
I quite love that about Quake, however. Soundtrack goes a long, long way to influencing how one experiences anything. Look at the comments page on the Doom PSX OST on youtube. Scores of mother fuckers talking about how it haunted them as a kid and made them tread lightly.

>>6228201
If they say so, I think the PSX/N64 music had a complete lack of variety and all of it sounded the same, it wore out its welcome fast.

>>6227709
Couldn't hurt asking some SFM artists if they think it's feasible / how much it would cost, indicatively.

>>6228151
Welp, RIP NSFW Tumblr. Any idea who that was?

>>6228209
no idea unfortunately, this was ages ago

>>6228153
10/10 made my computer blackscreen regardless of vid changes to the config file, even with Ctrl + Alt + Del.

>>6228230
don't fucking use directq, it's as old as dirt and garbage

>>6228230
Sorry for your lots, anon. W10 btw.
>>6228239
Get a loada this goober.

>>6228151
Any links?

>>6228224
Damn. She's actually cute as a button, too. That green haircut is the only style of buzzcut which looks good on girls IMO.

>>6227217
They're fun in Doom. I don't see the appeal in Build engine games.

>>6228240
wtf 1680 my ass

>>6227941
Not him but there are some good Master Levels. It's a mixed bag but the fact that all the levels are separate wads means you can just skip the bad ones as soon as you notice they're bad.

>>6228241
links to what, you goober
i forgot the artist but a reverse search found it
https://www.tumbex.com/rochestedorm.tumblr/post/177119909131/a-quick-render-i-worked-on-during-todays-stream

i like stuff like temple of the lizardman, beyond reality, strange aeons and those zdoom related tc's that feel "slightly" advanced and altered
like they have new stuff but they still feel like things are simple

>>6228165
Yeah, other people explained. A bit odd, but I can get used to it.
Copyright expired or something?
They really couldn't bother fixing it for the GoG release?

>>6228184
I know nothing about Quake's music. I just hope it's not the same metal Painkiller uses. I liked it in Painkiller, but...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0OfUxYUUvE

>>6228264
Lol. Quake's music consists of one (1) song that plays at the end of each episode, the rest is a bunch of weird ambient noise.

>>6228270
Fine by me.

>>6228240
what's so special about your screenshots?

>>6227217
I hate that when I click new game, it forces me to pistol start the first level. Why can't I keep my arsenal from the previous wad I played?

>>6228270
pleb

>>6228284
I was demonstrating the contrary of anon's black screens.

>>6228270
Imagine being THIS much of a pleb

>>6228256
Nice, thank you very much!

>>6228270
Philistine.

>>6228264
Again, the GoG release has the music if you play the dos version since it had the original disc images on it. You can rip the music from there if you like. That's the best official workaround for now, I guess.

>>6228291
I know you're joking, but idfa

Dragging stuff in Hideous Destructor is a great addition. I REFUSE to follow the rules! I'm a maniac! I can't be stopped!

>>6227224
Hellbound? You finished that behemoth? The last third was too much of a slog for me. Try BTSX e1 and e2. They play like harder vanilla instead of like molasses.

>>6228365
I dunno about torn

>>6227224
The new enemies is like 1/3rd the reason to get PB. Turn on Tier 4, run through Hellbound again.

>>6228270
FIST
FUCK

>>6228165
the interpolations in quake look like ass because of no skeleton animation and some enemies behave like jelly

>>6228390
Which enemies? Never noticed.

I've been awake for three days, and I've just had a hypnogogic hallucination, in which an idea was revealed to me:
A classic FPS game with a medium cast of characters, and it is a blend of a game and a sitcom.
Each level will be large, taking about half an hour to complete, and will feature explorations of the characters and explorations of semi-complex demi-linear levels which are open ended.
Each level would be released episodically, of course, and each "season" would end with a boss fight.

Just imagine Duke Nukem 3D meets Community (or King of the Hill, or whatever character-driven sitcom you want).

>>6228256
Good catch. There's also this from the same author, which is a nice treat:
https://www.tumbex.com/rochestedorm.tumblr/post/176605425266/i-believe-ive-finished-with-my-model-of-slash

>>6228428
Already posted this in the previous threads and it's still shit anon.

Still better idea than ion fury.

>>6228249
finish posting it you goddamn niggurath, Shub-

>>6228428
A classic FPS hero flash series sounds like a great concept. Classic FPS fighting game? Fuck me, why don't these exist?
>Caleb
>Douk
>Gordon Freeman
>Doomguy
>Security Officer
>Ranger
>Bitterman
>Adrian Shepard
>B. Calhoun (maybe not)
>Blasckowitz
>Corvus
For me? It's Gordon Freeman. Full power bar lets you bhop + gauss charge a mother fucker

>>6228438
No I didn't.

>>6228442
We can finally see what happens when Gordon gets that beer.

>>6228443
Yeah you did
>>6228002

You better get some sleep man.

>>6228450
NO, I didn't ;)

>>6228447
The game needs a tag mode where the victory animation for Barney+Gordon is Gordon finally getting the fucking beer.

fellas i can't stop playing d4v. i don't think ill of doom 2016 at all, but the transition of its stuff to id tech 1 is just super satisfying and addicting in a way doom 2016 isn't.

>>6228442
This is the character select screen, ala the first Mortal Kombat

What are some weapon replacements that only change the feel but not the gameplay too much? Stuff like Dead Marine.

>>6228463
>ala the first Mortal Kombat
That's exactly what I was fucking thinking of when I posted that. Good shit. And fug how did I forget Sam.
>>6228468
Final Doomer.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=55061

>>6228442
Don't like it. This kind of stuff always feels like eulogies to me.

Better to create something new and use subtle homages here and there than this kind of smash bros shit.

>>6228428
go to bed, anon

>>6228470
This is pretty good, thanks

>>6228470

>>6228487
Based.

>>6227120
DOOM console ports are on sale till March 2nd
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1232796951030136832?s=19

>>6228502
Sheeet, PSX version where?

>>6228504
>This is pretty good, thanks
i don't think so
is the ps5 has BC, maybe there's a rare chance for ps doom ex

>>6228442
what would their special moves be?
Douk obviously has his might kick, Wang could do something like a shoryuken?

since metadoom has references to the cacowards and dehacked, it should have a miniature for the freedoom guy
>you picked up an open source friend

>>6228284
I'm guessing the point of yours was to show the shitty washed out default MarkV gamma?

>>6228535
The gamma in every sourceport works/looks the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuLyUHxq7Sw
Jon St. John is so based

>>6228537
except MarkV that defaults to like 0.7 for no reason at all

>>6228547
yea?

>>6228548
yea. delete the config/autoexec and launch it. the default is 0.75 despite what it says. windows version, at least.
also, the gamma is clearly washed out in >>6228284

>>6228428
I just wanna see what a good writer could do trying to flesh them out as characters interacting. I have a fetish for characters not meant for depth getting filled out.

>>6227117
What faction from the Fallout series would Duke Nukem, Lo Wang and Leonard choose to join, respectively?
My guesses:
>Duke: Enclave
>Lo Wang: Khans
>Leonard: Minutemen

>>6228428
>Duke meets Community
Chex and Corvus in the mooooorning!

doom delta but with cut concepts and ideas from other doom games too, so it touches doom 64, 3, 2016 and even the cancelled doom 4
literally everything or most things cut from doom as a series
maybe even the doom 4 from the serious sam devs with the "tinned can" marine

>>6228586
>Duke
The NCR. Enclave literally stole a lot of people's chicks. Nobody steals chicks and lives. Also, Duke would actually bang Tandi. Also, Duke would hate President Richardson.
>Lo Wang
The Shi. Because he's a funny Chinese dude, also literally from San Francisco.
>Leonard
Unaligned dude tending to his farm in Redding. He is, after all, a farmer that fights aliens (Wanamingos), after all.

>>6228604
Sam Serious is Jack Black's character from the first episode after winter break in Season 1 that tried to weasel his way into the study group.

>>6228626
That's kinda out of place, to be honest, like some kind of a Beetlejuice thing happening.

>>6228626
BJ is Pierce for two reasons:
1. He is the elder of the group, duh
2. Being raised around the 1940s, his mannerisms have had a tough time adjusting to modernity, and he is often judged as racist/sexist/homophobic.

made the shotgun shell draw an approximate spread cone instead of a grenade path rather than disable the feature with that ammo loaded

>>6228641
>he is often judged as racist/sexist/homophobic.

>>6228643
This is so goddamn cool. What's left for this big update?

>>6228651
I didn't play that one yet.
All I know is that he turns into like a weird psycho or something? I saw a clip where he was playing with someone's blood.
Also something about a nuke.

>>6228651
Not that BJ. Wolf3D BJ.

>>6228651
>>6228662
>BJ
>Being any of that
>Literally showing nothing of the sort in any of the wolf games

>>6228654
Thanks! Cleaning up code, adding missing static UI elements, adding missing weapons/ammo pickups, tweaking the contents of the clicky screens, minor audio and sfx work should about cover it.

>>6228669
It was a different time.

>>6228669
I'm not saying BJ is actually a bigot, I'm just saying he would often get mistaken as one due to outdated vernacular and whatnot.

>>6228643
wot mod

>>6228643
I'm making maps trying to consider this
I was wondering if you had terminals (like Marathon) pre-thought out or should I just script my own
thanks

>>6227307
Soundtrack is in the first mega in the OP, play with quakespasm instead of whatever port GoG comes with

>>6228669
>why would BJ act like somebody from his actual time period

>>6228694
doomshock

though i wish people would name their mods something else than such-and-such-doom / doom-such-and-such

What do you guys think it's the best Western fps ever made?
The old call of juarez?

>>6228697
Oh shit, that's fucking cool dude! No, I don't currently have something like that but I've a strong intent to work with anyone wanting to build maps or submods for this thing after release. A terminal like that would be fairly trivial with the setup I've got, but I can't promise any sort of ETA at the moment so doing it yourself would be the wisest right now.
>>6228707
You've a good point and I mostly agree, but I think it's apt if when the mod in question is a mashup between doom and [other game].

Do you think hitscan enemies have a place in FPS games or do you think it isn't a coincidence that many of the "most annoying FPS enemies" are hitscanners?

>>6228734
Absolutely. Enemies that become priority targets are always valuable in any roster.
Hitscanners aren't even annoying, I consider enemies that spawn other enemies to be worse.

>>6228734
>or do you think it isn't a coincidence that many of the "most annoying FPS enemies" are hitscanners?
I would consider the "tiny and fast" archetype much more annoying. Eg. shadow warrior's hornets.

>>6228734
They can make great support enemies as evidenced by Doom. Being physically weak, but demanding attention because of their possible damage output is tight. When they're the main course the game is designed around then it's a cover shooter. Not a fan of that myself.

>>6228734
The have absolute place since you need to approach them tactically and mechanically in a different manner than a projectile-chucker. Same goes for melee monsters, homing missile shooters, those that apply status effects etc.
You ideally want as wide spectrum of behavior in a monster roster as possible. Using them in a good way in encounter design is responsibility of the level designer though.

>>6228741
>When they're the main course the game is designed around then it's a cover shooter. Not a fan of that myself.
Not necessarily. F.E.A.R has enemies like that, and it encourages rushing more than sitting back imo

What happened to Doom X?

This level hurt me. Everywhere is cramped and there's a bajillionity enemies wanting a piece of you. I ended up cheesing myself to the end because there was an Arch-Vile behind a door that would resurrect the hundred or so enemies I had previously slaughtered. I miss when barons and hell knights could only eat one grenade.

>>6228734
As long as they aren't too competent (e.g. how Blood cultists start attacking instantly on sight) then yes. When they are a problem it's not even that they're hitscanners but that they're improperly balanced.
I haven't played Blood yetso I'm just going off what other people have said about it.

>>6228751
You're not wrong, I shouldn't have been so hyperbolic. However, slow mo and AI taking time to react to flanks are concessions made for that playstyle. Since you can't dodge hitscan attacks you're kinda limited with how you can use that kind of enemy and spice up encounters.

>>6228784
Blood Cultist reaction time scales with the difficulty, so it's not so bad on the lower levels but the top two have them jerk to blast your face off immediately

Why don't more games just do what Marathon did, which is to have enemies with invisible fast-moving projectiles which are technically not hitscanners (but which can still hurt you at a long distance)?

>>6228772
Here's some tactical door bustereering from earlier in the level.

>>6228790
Yeah, levels, AI and any gimmick features or whatever you want to call them definitely together shape how a hitscan-only shooter plays out. Time-to-kill (for player and enemy alike) and health availability also heavily factor in.

>>6227872
Imma try it for Arcane Dimensions. Can't wait.

>>6228772
>>6228802
I don't see how anyone can find bleed simulator so exciting. It's piss annoying.

>>6228808
I'm a masochist, what can I say? Getting your ass whooped and then dishing it back out is really gratifying.

>>6228815
Getting your ass whooped is one thing, peeking your head a pixel out of a corner and getting bled to death or use up all your medkits is another.

Thank you Babel guy for your amazing mod.
Its my favorite now.

>>6228662
Still a shame what BJ turned into in Nu-Wolfenstein. He's definitely more charismatic than Return to Castle Wolfenstein BJ but then again he had so much potential.

>>6228706
To be fair more of some outdated mannerisms he doesn't show other aspects of that time in the new games.
He's more of a mentally unstable teddy bear.

>>6228854
Which is that?

>>6228858
https://babel-mod.neocities.org/

>>6228860
Intradasting. Thanks.

>>6227224
Lost Civilizations

>>6228472
Kinda agree desu

>>6228808
Different strokes for different folks. HDest has some excellent weapons and combat. You can disable bleeding if it bothers you that much

>>6228502
Well fuck, looks like I'll have to hook up my PS4 and try to grab that on my slow, out on the country connection.
Does it include Doom 3?

>>6228917
Doom 3's $3, the other two ports are $1.50 each.

>play Brutal Doom with 2016 Arsenal addon
>you can dual-wield assault rifles
Why doesn't NuDoom have a dual-wielding mechanic? It would've fit perfectly with the high-octane feel of the combat.

>>6228918
Well fuck, for that price I might as well, they'll keep adding .wads over time, my brother can play while I'm doing stuff.

Heyya, looking for recommendation on some easy/medium difficulty Doom wads and TC's for me to destress.

>>6228926
DTWID or D2TWID.
Possibly Alfonzone, if you play on a low difficulty, it has a wide mix of levels in very short episodes, some are very charming.
Pirate Doom is comfy as fuck, and pretty funny and charming too.

In what order do I play the Doom games?

I'm on episode 3 of Doom right now. Do I play Plutonia, TNT, Sigil or Doom 2 next?

>>6228932
Episode 4 if you want the "canon" order, but Doom 2 if you want to go in difficulty/creation order. Then after 2 you can go back and do Thy Flesh Consumed.

>>6228932
In terms of 'canon', it would be episode four, though episode four starts out pretty damn tough, so don't feel yourself forced to play it if it's too much for you at the time.
Sigil would be after that, it's a consistent ballbuster through UV so mind that, but it's good, especially with the Buckethead music.

You could of course skip straight to Doom 2, it'll later make you appreciate just the effort Thy Flesh Consumed and Sigil puts into making your life tough with the original, smaller bestiary, then you could check out Final Doom to find out just how mean a map author can be with Doom 2's new monsters.

>>6227317

if your the CH dev, the brown spectre corpses seem to have collision and can completely block smaller hallways

Term:
https://twitter.com/cap_yogurt/status/1229678178148306944

>>6228918
Doom is like $5 for me.

>>6228968
That's what they are on Xbox and Switch. The search bar on Sony's site isn't working for me so I can't find a price for that one.

I bought the Switch version and it feels so weird to play Doom on a controller.

>>6228974
IMO the original games actually play quite well on a controller, if mouse and keyboard is better than just keyboard, then a good gamepad will fall squarely inbetween.

The old 32X port, for its faults, had pretty good controls.

>>6228974
I miss being able to quick switch to fists or the BFG. I guess the 360 version changed the weapon slots for that to work.

>>6228932
DOOM Episode 1-3 -> DOOM 2 -> Thy Flesh Consumed -> TNT -> Plutonia -> DOOM64 -> SIGIL

>>6228957
Known issue, will be fixed next beta

>>6227262
at first glance it looks like the hell knight is riding on the revenant's shoulders

>>6228734
When done properly, they can be. I would love to see hitscan enemies that become more accurate the longer they have line of sight, or lose accuracy when injured, or can be stunned, or have weak points that can be taken out. As long as my options are something other than "corner peak until dead" or "kill him before his reaction animation finishes."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vA7uyXvm7gs

>>6228734
I think people who cry about hitscanners need to git fucking gud.

>>6228808
I love HD but the bleed is the only thing I disable, and I'm usually pretty lenient with encumbrance. I'll also mess around with frag shards/respawn rates a bit.

>>6228734
What if there was a hitscan enemy that made the player stand still for their attack duration? The only instance of something like that I can think of is when you pick up the Blur Sphere in Doom in a room full of projectile enemies..

>>6228924
Because Wolf got that gimmick first

>>6229010
Forcing a player to stop moving is fucking awful. There's an enemy in Serious Sam 3 does that and it's genuinely one of the worst monsters I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with in a video game

>>6228984

your caco is sick

Playing Wolf3D for the first time. Only /vr/ shooter I never completed. It's so simple yet so fun, feels like a dungeon crawler.

>>6229029
Was Serious Sam ever good? Not to say it is/isn't but I remember there being hype for it in general, but Civvie's video made me realize the flaws each game has. Plus it's been ages since I've played any of the games in general.

>>6229046

serious sam is damn good and still holds up
t. replayed the trilogy very recently

>>6229046
Sam 1 is enjoyable, it can be a pain in the ass at times but I have fun with it. The xbox version is the best version of Sam Encounter 1 and 2 because it incooperates the lives system which helps counter the occasional bullshit the game throws at you.

>>6229054
You can play with lives in the HD remakes.

>>6229046
It's still pretty good. It's no Doom or Quake or anything, tends to play differently. In between the exploring levels there's a lot of running backwards in arena fights. No RNG on weapon damage is nice. BFE is meh, a failed demo for a modern shooter retooled into being a Sam game that kept iron sights,reloading and infinite rocket boxes for boss fights instead of 1st/2nd where you got backpacks for variety.
The secrets in 1st/2nd take a bit of getting used to. Mega hp/Armour? Probably fine. 1hp pill? Expect teleporting death.

>>6228924
It's difficult to balance effectively and makes the weapons feel less unique in my experience

>>6229046
I felt like some of Civvie's complaints are super overblown. Collecting a random secret just to spawn a bunch of enemies to ambush you is played for laughs, him raging at it felt odd because Doom does it too and he praises stuff like that. The biggest flaw of the Sam games is they get stale after a while and sometimes you have soooooooo much walking to do. People want to play it like Doom but its really not Doom. It steals the weapon archetypes but the way its meant to be played is different.

>>6229029
That enemy is a baby. Its kinda like the Archvile, you're supposed to break line of sight. When it teleports in front of you it dies instantly to rockets or a minigun or something.

>>6229101
My problem was when it spotted you, you get lifted on the ground so your window of breaking line of sight is absurdly small. 3 sucks.

>>6229102
Its still not a big deal, just shoot it with rockets.
I think 3 with mods is the best Sam game. Big emphasis on mods part. New enemy spawns and no reloading changes everything

How can I unbind keys in PRBOOM+? RMB to move forward is really annoying.

>>6229126
doesn't it say press the delete key to clear

Hitscanners are as dangerous as the map maker wants them to be

>>6229134
No it doesn't, I'm running PrBoom+ 2.5.1.4 if that matters.

>>6229046
>>6229101

Not shitting on Civvie or saying Sam is the perfect fps, but civvie is a youtuber and manufacturing rage is an easy way to gain views

I'm not sure how to word it, but does anyone know any tips on how to make my maps feel a bit more interconnected? They always end up as individual rooms divided by doors and it's kinda boring to play and look at.

>>6229167
Create a central atrium surrounded by other rooms, or a courtyard, or anything really. Allow the player to look out and see that there is more of a world than just the room you are currently occupying.

>>6229167

You're asking a far bigger question than you think, not even limited to doom/retro fps, you're kinda asking "how can I make my art stop looking amateurish?"

I don't think there is a simple answer other than to observe, learn, and "get gud"

>>6229153
what mod is that?

>>6229234
the demon girl is a player skin from one of the vrskins wads. I dont recall what map that is but they were all just filled with 100% bullshit, maybe a joke wad or something.

>>6229029

>>6229108
No reloading would make a huge difference in feel for your b&b weapons early on. Good stuff there.
I'd also put the laser in more than just secrets. It's probably not necessary since the rifle isn't anywhere near as awful with no reload, but I miss sounding like some kind of TIE fighter

>you can rotate the sectors you copy-pasted in DoomBuilder
wew, I wish I found that out much earlier

>>6228734
>>6229002
It honestly boils down to this. There are people out there who will end up next to a chaingunner with the super shotty and actually miss, either getting killed or losing a shitload of health in the process.
Also, people shouldn't base their opinion of them from Blood or Plutonia. Those two are meant more for people wanting more of a quicker challenge.

>>6228734
A necessary evil

>>6228984
>>6227317
You're the CH dev? Shit man, Colorful Hell is my go-to whenever I need to balance some more than vanilla pwad. Thanks.

>>6229046
I've maintained for ages Serious Sam has a nigh perfect roster of enemies, and dodging and weaving between them is some of the most satisfying things you can do in an FPS. I'm a little iffy on the weaponry selection.

>>6229358

Other than the hitscanning scorpions I agree the sam monster roaster is perfect. also getting into that sam zen and being able to fight 100 kleers with just the shotgun is a great feeling

>>6228924
Look into Project Brutality 3.0

What's the best way to play Wolfenstein 3D?
If it's source ports, please recommend some, as well as WADs. It'd be sick if it had horizontal mouselook, too.

>>6228869
>>6228860
Following up with this. This is pretty fucking great.

>>6229402
I believe ECWolf is what you're looking for

What are some good Doom 3 mods? As in mods for Doom 3, and possibly mods for OG Doom based on Doom 3.

>>6229416
There's this one Doom wad that, when it was released, people kept touting it as "the Doom 3 we should have gotten." Took place on some derelict space ship or something. It was pretty good. Anyone know what I'm talking about? It's fairly popular.

As for Doom 3, BFG or the original? 14 years ago I fucked with Annihilation a lot.
https://gamebanana.com/gamefiles/5626
And Doom Realism
https://www.moddb.com/mods/doom-realism

Finished my fourth map. It's in the MAP04 slot, the IWAD file is DOOM2.wad. Boom-compatible format, tested it in PRBoom, everything worked fine.
Tried to do something less linear than before. The map is still small and claustrophobic and a bit on the easier side. Had a lot of fun making it, especially playing around with the lighting.

http://www.mediafire.com/file/j12t5gyvqlx2jyo/EGG4.wad/file

>>6229423
Either or, I have access to both.

>>6229437
Ah, well those two I linked are for the original and I liked them enough. This one seems neat, never played it.
https://www.moddb.com/mods/classic-doom-3
>There's this one Doom wad that, when it was released, people kept touting it as "the Doom 3 we should have gotten." Took place on some derelict space ship or something. It was pretty good. Anyone know what I'm talking about? It's fairly popular.
Bls someone tell me they know what this is. I never finished it but now I have a hankering for it.

>>6229432
Why is PrBoom so fucking bright? Chocolate Doom isn't that bright, but it's less compatible with shit.

>>6229423
Would it happen to be Doom 3: Phobos?

>>6227961
>To spice things up
No. Those map packs are masterpieces and should be enjoyed as intended without mods ruining the challenge.

>>6229467
>>6229423
Did it have boss battles? I've been looking for something like that too.

>>6229471
Nah it was a pack for Doom II.

>>6227984
How can one not like No Rest For The Living? It's one of the best commercial wads made. Hell I bought the whole Doom 3 BFG edition just to get it (yes it was on sale on Steam, but still).

>>6229472
Complex Doom far and away does not remove any challenge. It makes shit stupid and difficult. As for BD, where does it come from that BD is in any way easy? Do people not play on Ultra Violence with it?

>>6229474
Any idea how old it is?

>>6228932
Release order.

>>6229483
Anywhere from 2004-2012. Worst part is I came across it the other week and told myself I'd get it later. Damn fool.

>>6229478
>As for BD, where does it come from that BD is in any way easy?
Not easy, just fucked up balance. Harder monsters become easier, easier harder. It makes no sense on maps that are not specifically made for Brutal Doom. It's mediocre shitwad, and there are much better gameplay mods.

>>6229492
At the earliest I can think of is RTC-3057, which came out in 2004. Takes place on an abandoned ship and has some pretty fucking dope music.

>>6229423
Doom 64 is hailed as "real Doom 3" all the time.

>>6228930
I loved DTWID, alfonzone looks interesting, going to download later.
Imma try Pirate Doom for now.
Thanks anon!

>>6229503
That might be fucking it, but looking at footage, I don't remember so many text prompts. This was over a decade ago I suppose. Thanks for finding it.

>>6229167
easy way to get around this barrier is to design a bunch of rooms and then just mash them together and work it out from there. Can also use oblige to generate interesting shit and expand on it too. Really just go wild.

>>6229524
>I don't remember so many text prompts.
That's just Mancubus effect.

>>6229163
This. Civvie isn't a critic or a reviewer, he produces entertainment. Inability to discern the difference is worrying as it's often a sign of immaturity.

>>6229498
When was the last time you played Doom at all? Barons or Hell Knights have never been the most heart pumping of foes. They fuck you up when coupled with each other, or with weaker monsters. All BD does is makes them attack faster. The chance of smaller, weaker monsters aiding them adds tension. Look at E1M8. Quick specters, slow moving but fast attacking barons. You spin 'em around, you can get the barons to kill the pinkies, and you've got grenades you can lob to clear out a group of them. Your minigun fires faster than vanilla, so does the shotgun. Bing bang boom. I really feel like people who complain about BD's balance played for all of five minutes. I won't venture to say it's BETTER than vanilla like Marky Mark, but it's pretty fucking good.

>>6229530
Dude no I found it! When you mentioned about RTC containing good music, that threw me off because I remember good music in what I was thinking of. The aesthetic looked similar, but those text prompts, I just don't remember that. It was called Legacy of Suffering.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbw6-4I3aG4
>>6229416
>and possibly mods for OG Doom based on Doom 3.
4u anon.
https://www.doomworld.com/idgames/levels/doom2/Ports/j-l/los

>>6229524
No problem, its level design is kinda confusing and the visuals dated but I still like to revisit it from time to time. The music and soundwork make up for a lot of the shortcomings imo

>>6229547
Check above you m80.

>>6229538
And then you play a WAD that isn't the first episode ever made, or something someone tried to make difficult/interesting and the balance goes to complete shit because they were designed around the interactions of vanilla mobs. Mandatory traps can render WADs totally un-clearable by shoving Brutal in where it doesn't belong

>>6229416
Doom 3 Phobos at least. I don't know is there anything else worth playing. I remember when the game came out, there were so much interesting mods in development. Hell On Earth, Facing Hell, Reign Of Hell. All of them probably got abandoned.

>>6229575
Any examples of such a WAD? I could go for dunking on your ass right now.

>>6229583
>examples
Not surprised, that Brutal Doom kids do not even know the known challenge map packs.

Playing Brutal Doom is like going to fine restaurant, ordering a well-crafter expensive meal and then putting shitloads of ketchup over it (not gore reference). It's just that it ruins the fun and challenging parts by making them into completely different, samey and cheap from what they are supposed to be. They reduce the actual art of well crafted encounters into some way of killing time by fucking around with Doom. You are free to ruin your dinner with shitloads of ketchup, and you are free to ruin your Sunlust with Brutal Doom. Just don't go telling everyone one that that ketchup mountain is the definite way to enjoy your entrecote.

>>6229594
>Just don't go telling everyone one that that ketchup mountain is the definite way to enjoy your entrecote.
Hey, retard.
>I won't venture to say it's BETTER than vanilla like Marky Mark, but it's pretty fucking good.
Time to boot up Sunlust and dunk on our ass. Before that,
> It's just that it ruins the fun and challenging parts by making them into completely different, samey and cheap from what they are supposed to be
At first it ruined the challenge, now it makes them samey and cheap? Which is it before I start up?

>>6229594
>samey

If Doomguy was a build game protagonist what would his one liners be?

>>6229612

>>6229575
Are you really going to rinse and repeat your posts every thread.
Dare I say, rent free.

>>6229612
HUP
HUH
ARGH

>>6228428
That ain't shit, bitch. I've been up for four days working on the same map putting more detail and removing obscuring/sticky corners. Lmk when you have hallucinations of people showing up to your house before they ever show up.

Fukken scrubs.

>>6229602
>At first it ruined the challenge, now it makes them samey and cheap?
Yes. Both.

>Hey, retard.
>dunk on our ass
We have real genius over here.

>>6229624
Valedictorian of fucking your shit up momentarily. So here're your conditions,
>Ruins challenge
>Makes encounters samey and cheap
Does it ruin challenge because they're samey and cheap, or are they separate? Either way, what does samey and cheap mean? That each encounter plays out the same? Help me out here while I record footage.

>>6228734
I think they're good so long as they either have low hp (Former Human varieties), or have a wind-up before their attack actually hits (Arch-vile).

>>6228932
Doom E1-3 > Doom 2 > Doom 1 E4 > TNT > Plutonia
Sigil and NRFTL can be before or after Final Doom, doesn't really matter.

>>6229432
Played it twice over, once in HD because I'm a hopeless masochist, once stock GZDoom to give the sort of feedback you're actually after.

I just walked out of bounds at the window here. Vanilla doomguy can't fit so it's not that big of a deal, but it wouldn't hurt to slap an impassable flag on it. The space effect is a bit dark too, I could barely see it in the bigger hallway. Good usage of pinkies and spectres there, though.

The level geometry's a bit too small scale for vanilla speed in the earlier parts of the level, it makes navigation more clumsy than it needs to be. Felt like you got the hang of it for the latter half of the map though. The red key room was a nice fight, but you've got a HOM on the closet to the right of the key.

The exit door has blue key textures but is actually locked by the red key. When I was playing with HD I missed the blue key completely, despite clearing the entire map. I only found it in the vanilla run thanks to GZDoom's dynamic lights. Might be a good idea to move it somewhere more conspicuous in its room. And fix the exit door lock so you actually have to get it, of course.

With such an emphasis on lighting, I was a bit surprised there weren't any light switches. Might've been neat to have one in the red key area, or the hallway before it with the dorms. Nothing too important, just a nice detail. Good little map overall, though. Decent health and ammo balance, I never felt like I had too much or too little of either, and I'm a sucker for sector furniture. I love all the little chairs and beds.

>>6229614
Not even in the last thread. More than one person can hold the opinion Brutal Doom is ass. Turns out a whole bunch of them do.

>>6229641
The most interesting aspect is that none of you can articulate anything. It's as if you latched on to the prevailing attitude at the time of its release and are incapable of forming an original thought.

>>6229640
Thanks for giving it a shot! I'll fix the problems you pointed out.

>>6229630
>Does it ruin challenge because they're samey and cheap, or are they separate? Either way, what does samey and cheap mean? That each encounter plays out the same? Help me out here while I record footage.
Play few wads without mods, and you'll know.

>>6229660
>The most interesting aspect is that none of you can articulate anything. It's as if you latched on to the prevailing attitude at the time of its release and are incapable of forming an original thought.

>>6229652
>>6229432
The fixed version, for those who might be interested.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/281s1gjzprsxi9w/EGG4fix.wad/file

>>6229667
Cope harder. If you're too stupid to understand basic game balance Brutal Doom is perfect for you.

>>6229682
You made a claim, and you lack the stones, the know-how - anything at all to back it up. Same as the rest.

>>6229692

>>6229692
What wad is this? Looks fun.
My gut says I've seen it before though, sunder? Or am I way off?

>>6229696
Close. Sunlust.

>>6229703

>>6229682
ironic

>>6229709
In the first place I never stated Brutal was more balanced than vanilla, or the optimum experience. I was arguing that its balance is pretty good, and it is.

>>6229716
I'm not seeing any ruinous samey or cheap experiences.

>>6229668
you can get stuck in this elevator plus missing track texture

>>6229726
That's one of the old maps. Good catch nonetheless, I'll fix that.

>>6229718
>I'm not seeing any ruinous samey or cheap experiences.
>playing calm section on the first map
This is your mind on Brutal Doom.

What is this retard doing comparing trash to the vanilla here?
Is that a new meme?

>>6229718
Congrats, you can beat the easiest level in the entire megawad

>>6229763
>>6229759
Which map is where the discrepancy would be worst?
>>6229762
Just showing up some mother fuckers.

>>6229768
>Just showing up some mother fuckers.
Then how about you actually showed up something. But yet, you have to ask which maps, which really tells everything. Just another newbie player who got into Doom through Brutal Doom. Have you even finished Plutonia?

>it's unbalanced!
>okay how
>it's cheap!
>how?
>play it and find out
>okay.
>no not that map!
can't make this shit up. tell me you're old and senile faggots who just lack the marbles to say what you want actually want to say

>>6229774
oh my god it just gets worse
>which map?
>you're just a newb!
you can't answer a straight, direction forward question

Report for trolling and don't reply.

>>6229774
>Then how about you actually showed up something.
I did.
>It's just that it ruins the fun and challenging parts by making them into completely different, samey and cheap from what they are supposed to be
That has not been my experience thus far. I'm more than willing to do this dance with you, but you're not because you either lack the stones, or you just don't know how to communicate.
>>6229780
Who, them? Nah I just want them to nut up. Don't report them.

>>6229762
A Brutal Doom zoomer showed up. Determined to somehow turn a single player mod into a superiority complex.

>>6229780
Sure. I'm with you to end this brutal stupidity. Haha, getit.
Anyway fuck those people.

>>6229782
You've made the superiority part self-evident with your inability to support anything at all that you say.

>>6229785
>thinks everyone is the same guy
I don't think you've realized everyone in this thread but you knows you're retarded

>>6229786
Are you so stupid that you don't see the irony of your post? You're stroking my dick really, really hard right now.

>>6229775
it's pure autism

>he's trolling! get him boys!
fucking l m a o

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56718
>This never got released
This sucks

>>6229795
Check the last page. Some guy made a holdover.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56718&sid=f6c5bbde797270d843677e7c27a590ad&start=45#p1053082

Not bad.

>>6229650
shit was articulated time and again
long lists of bugs and what BD fucks up about the game
and the response is always "that does not mean a thing lol"
and then few hours later it all repeats again with another
"WHy dO yOu GUyS HaEt BD so mUCh?!"
maybe its because you bitches wont shut up about it

>>6229798
What palette is that?

>>6229803
I just downloaded this >>6229796 and didn't change anything. Just get a Doom64 wpn pack, fuck with the lighting, and it'd be golden.

What's the best way to play Shadow Warrior with proper mouse look? I started Classic Redux and even after I messed around with the sensitivity settings it still doesn't feel like its using raw input. Also, for whatever reason the framerate gets real weird when you walk on moving "props," such as the crashed car at the beginning or the hidden fortune cookie in the rotating sign. Picking up fortune cookies and using the medikits also tanks the framerate momentarily. The new Blood port is miles better than this.

>>6229815
Pretty sure Smooth Doom has a 64 weapon pack

>>6229828
Hahaaah this is cool as fuck. Just need a sound and monster pack now for Doom64 for all wads.

>>6229829
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/71133-sound-caulking-now-on-idgames/
Try the PSX Doom flavor of this.

>playing Hellbound
>there's a warning, map 29 has poor framerate problems in "weaker" machines, so the author made a cut down version of the map as the default, with the "full" version being a separate file
>just upgraded my pc, runs modern games on ultra in 60fps without breaking a sweat
>should run this "full" version of the map no problem, piece of cake
>loads map
>15 fps average
>only this map had performance problems, the others all ran absolutely smooth no matter what

What the fuck did the author put on the map to make it run like shit in such a old game?

>

>>6229853
What sourceport? GZDoom can be a resource hog, especially if you have gameplay mods or something.

>>6229854
Yes, I'm using GZdoom, but no mods. Only one map of the wad had the framerate problems, the one that the author himself made a warning that it was a common issue.

>>6229861
Use a lighter sourceport. GZDoom's horribly optimized as anon above said

>>6229868
It runs 99.9% of maps completely smooth in non-toasters. The remaining 0.1% are filled with meme features that would tank even high-end machines. The "optimization" is only a concern for toaster players.

>>6229873
Anon above just said Hellbound's MAP29 doesn't run properly. Is that the 0.0001% or what?
There's many instances of this happening with regular levels.

>>6229874
Hellbound map29 does fall into those 0.1%. The author himself admits it.

>There's many instances of this happening with regular levels.
Such as?

>>6229876
Hellbound doesn't use "meme features" though, so it can't be part of your 0.1%.

Literally play any slaughtermap.

A good example is Age of Hell, that is GZDoom-exclusive and runs like shit in most machines.

Does Graf pay you to suck his dick?
inb4 "slaughtermaps don't count because I don't like them"

>>6229883
>Hellbound doesn't use "meme features" though, so it can't be part of your 0.1%.
It clearly does, otherwise the author wouldn't have bothered to make a neutered version without them.

>Literally play any slaughtermap
Played several, all butter smooth. Eat shit, toasterfag.

>A good example is Age of Hell, that is GZDoom-exclusive and runs like shit in most machines.
I'll give you my thoughts, when I get to play that

>inb4 "slaughtermaps don't count because I don't like them"
It's a good thing that I do enjoy slaughtermaps

>Does Graf pay you to suck his dick?
Please inform me what sourceport do YOU use so I can properly shit on you and tell how you are complete scum for using that

I don't know if this is a controversial opinion, but I really hate the super shotgun

>>6229898
I never said it runs badly in my machine.
And what do you have against people with worse setups? Superiority complex?

And what do you mean by "meme features" and Hellbound using them? Are you resorting to act like you were just pretending?

Hellbound MAP29 runs badly because it's a big map with many enemies, not because it uses any "meme features". What subreddit taught you that slang?

>>6229898

>>6229907
>And what do you have against people with worse setups? Superiority complex?
Why are you so jelly that people have better machines than you?

>Hellbound MAP29 runs badly because it's a big map with many enemies, not because it uses any "meme features"
I played many maps much bigger than that map. None of them had bad performance. So, I wanted to know what does Hellbound's map29 has that makes it run so poorly. It can't be the map size, as it's fairly compact, nor enemy count (only 2000 enemies, and they're sprinkled throughout the level rather than big hordes, and the architecture and textures look nothing special. So, what DOES cause the bad framerates?

>>6229914
Piss off already cancer child. The HD drama was not enough for your red**t ass?

>>6229920
>I've been here long enough to be called a redditor by a zoomer

For your information, I've been here since before you were even in your dad's balls, kid. 2008 to be precise.
Know your place, you aren't cool randomly calling people Reddit (which seems to live rent free in your head, I wonder why).

>>6229924
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agn5q3KMAKs

>>6229924
Newfag.

>>6229914
>So, what DOES cause the bad framerates?

There's whole chunks of the map that are rendered at once due to seemingly poor optimization. In order to block rendering of sectors, you need to have areas of one-sided lines. There appears to be loads of areas where the mapper could have used one-sided lines instead of sectors without damaging visual quality.

>>6228808
I like the bolt action and the shotgun, slamfiring the shotgun and erasing an entire room is pretty neat.

>>6229943
Oh I love how shooting works. But it turns Doom into something not very fun. You hide behind doors and corners and shoot and shoot. It's like a really bad survival game because you can't hide behind bushes, run for cover towards a tree.

Those Complex + Lexicon servers are too addicting. Fuck me the time went away.

>>6229820
Is SWP or JFSW better?

>>6229924
>2008
I was trying to have conversations over screeching horse-porn enthusiasts on /b/ back in '03, get on my level kiddo

>>6229973
No thanks, I'm not a creepy weirdo (or a pedantic lying faggot) whichever you prefer to be.

>>6229973
>horse-porn
So /b/ was degenerate from the very beginning? I'm shocked.

>>6229968
How do you even install JFSW there's no actual download button on the cite, nor is there any install instructions?

>>6229973
Why would you argue with some bitter newfag.
Wish you could do what you did today...

Is eDuke32 better than the World Tour version on Steam? I've already beat the main game on World Tour but I haven't played any of the other episodes yet.

>>6229853
If you're playing with GzDoom, inherent performance bottlenecks in how actors work. There's shitloads of monsters doing visibility checks over shitloads of linedefs.
You could probably optimize the level some, but it will probably never run well on ports which aren't based on Boom.

>>6230002
I just wanted to tell everyone how fucking old i am desu

>>6229920
Reddit is social media for zoomers, but caring about some 4chan vs Reddit war is even more childish. Is this some "bring your child to /vr/" -day? We've already had a guy "dunking our asses" with Brutal Doom.

Regards, not the person you were fighting with

>>6230009
Yes. At least you can play all the expansions and mods with eDuke.

https://youtu.be/TI0ZK_0Lw2w
Not sure what /vr/'s opinion on Karl Jobst is, but he recently got to play Doom Eternal like a bunch of other gaming youtubers recently and he talks about the potential for speedruns for it. I gotta admit, the fact that id and Bethesda brought someone that's all about speedrunning and not just a rando gamer youtuber really speaks to me about they feel about Eternal and the Doom community. It shows that Id has really gotten super confident in their product and know how to make great games, while also still being relevant in the gaming industry and showing that they actually care about the people that love their games at the same time. Then again, I felt that way too with the Mars Base demo speedrun race at Quake/Doomcon 2019, based on the fact alone that they brought on outsiders to the game industry to play their game in a relatively non-conventional style in front of a live audience months before the game comes out. And that was before it was delayed.

>>6229898
What the fuck is a 'meme feature'?
It's not a GzDoom map or anything, so there's no slopes, polyobjects, or scripts.

>>6229924
I've been here since 2008 and I wouldn't suggest I'm all that senior for what it matters.
You've got a needless attitude.

>>6230040
You should not care about anyone's opinion anon. Youare your own person.

That said Eternal looks like crap.

>>6230040
Old Doom fag here. I've already pre-ordered Eternal and am quite excited about it. Doom 2016 sure had it's problems, but it was fun to play through once, and I'm expecting this to be fun ride also. Nothing can ever top original Doom for me, but luckily I don't have to choose which one I can enjoy.

>>6230046
It was more so the fact that Doom Eternal is being talked about by someone that's not just a regular gamer youtuber saying "this game is great!!" He talks about the potential for Eternal as a speedrun game, which is about speed to begin with, so speedruns of it might be interesting to see pulled off. More importantly though, I don't think any game, in terms of its mechanics, has been talked about so much before its release. Speedruns for a game are usually talked about or looked into after it comes out, but the fact that speedrunning for Eternal is being discussed before it comes out to begin with is something different imo. Regardless of Eternal being a good game or not when it comes out (personally I think it'll be bretty gud), the fact that Id are this transparent about their own game before it's even out really says a lot about them as a company and how they understand their audience and the industry as a whole. Especially considering how unconfident they were about Doom 2016 being successful.

>>6230060
So what? Speedrunning potential makes a game good?

Eternal looks unbelievably boring to me. A last pitiful gasp attempt at making videogames, all impotent like Rage 2 and other shit being made.

>>6230046
Can't say I agree.

>>6228249
>>6228440
Is there a shopped version with daikatana?

Not sure why I'm thinking of this now after seeing these 10 billion times before.

>>6230063
Can't imagine living as jaded as you.

>>6230090
I am not jaded.

>>6230091
>He said, jaded.

When I read 'speedrunning' I remember that guy who played a single video game level 135 thousand times and cried when he got a meaningless world record. Mental illness.

>>6227757
>>6227819

Nu Lara is absolute garbage.

>>6230063
i thought Doom 2016 was loads of fun and i think Eternal looks like it's going to be even more fun. I personally like how 2016 felt like Quake and Doom mashed together. I honestly cannot see how you think Eternal looks boring when we're getting yet another high octane action shooter, something the industry has painfully avoided for years now while focusing on linear gunmetal grey military simulator bullshit with no variety or replay value.

Why are you faggots still talking about a 2020 game in the retro games board?

>>6230094
I am not. The fact that you miss the point would make me jaded. Games are a different beast in 2020. Smell the coffee anon, they are dead. Nothing against Hugo he seems invested in the project but it's just another console fps with the most safe and tame decisions put into it from design to gameplay.
Prey the same, you cant even get the spark of a fps rpg going because people have moved along.

>>6230113
Just because it's not a grey military railroad game does not mean its good anon. It's in fact worse than bad it's mediocrity incarnate. The innovation of the 90s and late 90s is dead. Doom in the 90s was different now it's just an expected product down to the silly demon designs.

You play it once and that's it.

>>6230113
Why don't you people understand that not everyone wants a Doom game like this? It lacks many of the elements that make classic Doom appealing to me, so why should I care about it?

I tried playing the PS1 version first and by god is it hard to go back to that. The lighting is atrocious, you can barely see anything

>>6230116
>I am not.
>Games are a different beast in 2020. Smell the coffee anon, they are dead.
>It's in fact worse than bad it's mediocrity incarnate. The innovation of the 90s and late 90s is dead. Doom in the 90s was different now it's just an expected product down to the silly demon designs.
If you're not jaded, you're certainly dull and dim.

>>6229924
>reddit spacing

>>6230116
>now it's just an expected product down to the silly demon designs
>Doom 1, Doom 2, Final Doom, Doom 64
You say that like it wasn't an expected product back then either. Not to mention the countless amount of usermade content out there. Yes, it may lack the expansive capabilities to be built on and the user-made content, but thats just how things are now. I'm judging it based on how it is, not whats built off of it. I did the same thing in Doom 2016 that i did in Doom 1 and 2, i beat it, then played through again to find the secrets, collectibles, upgrades i missed (without the suit upgrade that finds them for me). My favorite part was seeking out the hidden levers that opened up pieces of classic doom maps right in the 2016 levels, which unlocked the bonus modes to play through classic levels as 2016 doomslayer. There was plenty to do. And then after i found all of that stuff, I challenged it on harder difficulties, which were extremely difficult and made me approach everything a very different way. It's been a very long time since i've played an fps that has had stuff like that to keep me going with it after beating it once and if Eternal has the same formula or more, then it's going to be fun and im looking forward to it. It's not the same as Doom 1 and 2, but going as far as to claim the new approach is bland and one and done is inaccurate. It gave new life to a classic franchise while making sure to include certain aspects and gameplay styles that were both new to the series while also taking cues from old, fast paced action shooters. This was the kind of thing i was hoping for in Doom 3 and was disappointed when it took everything in a different direction.

I need an advice no using "F_SKY" texture in Doom. I want to have a courtyard surrounded by relatively short walls, with a few buildings That are taller than those walls. They need to extend past the wall itself and not just cut at the wall itself but also not create another wall where they end. I can't quite figure out how to make that work.

>>6230126
What's so offensive about someone pointing out that design sensibilities have changed vastly in 30 years?

>>6230040
> omg they are preventing us from exploiting the game, speedrunners will have to actually play the game, this shows they care about us. so epic!!1one

Everything about this video is pure mental retardation, I feel bad for the parents of this guy, and you should feel bad for sharing it here.

>>6227978
this is fucking blessing

>>6229416
only things that I remember are the dark mod and duck nukem

>>6230143
This is a sensible post, there are lots of tings i like about the new direction Doom was taken and i appreciate the Quake style gameplay and several things that harken back to the classics, but i can't disagree with the other guy either. I know old doom fans who love it and i know old doom fans who hate it. Which is fine, Classic doom cemented itself so deep that we have decades of additional content to show for it, not everyone is going to accept changes so easily, but the devotion to the classics is half of what makes Doom such a great thing.

>>6230040
>marketing

Holy Doom 2 is truly abysmal. I'm only on map 6 and I hate it. I loved all of the first Doom.