/vr/ - Retro Games

I think as early as 1999 i was playing retro games primarily through emulation and appreciated the ability to legibly distinguish the pixels

>he fell for the BVMeme
Component/RGB on a consumer TV is where it's at.

>>6225025
You will be really buttmad when you wake up and notice something like an OSSC on an OLED is far better than your old shit svideo crt (really svideo is shit regardless) or BVM.

You will be even more upset at all the faggots that kept spewing lies about "muh delay" or "LE BLUR" when you can't see or notice it because it is intangible with how irrelevant or "there" they are.

Just get a regular old tv and sell ur monitor who fucking cares

>>6225025
s-video on a cheap consumer tv set is hands down the best when it comes to cost/quality.

>>6225025
Composite is the best for 240p content.

>>6225084
lol, nice bait
>>6225092
Just put some vaseline on your tv for the 11 games that look "too crisp" for you with rgb/ypbpr

>>6225124
All games look incorrect above composite, yes even in s-video. Playstation games are among the worst offenders, you see diamond patterns everywhere above composite.

That BVM image is gorgeous.
Even assuming this isn't a troll, if you were somehow dissatisfied the market is such that you can easily flip it for as much as you paid.

>>6225025
>be me
>be stupid
>post details on 4chan
Thanks for the keks

>>6225124
>I prefer not to overpay for incremental increases in video quality
(You, a retard)
>"lol PPPTTHPTTHPPHPHHHPHHHPP"

>>6225040
S-Video is fine on a consumer CRT beats the crap out of composhit. Now if you are in Europe there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to even bother with studio monitors given that consumer sets have RGB

What kind of autism is required to care so much about the scanline quality or whatever? You only play the game like 10 feet away from the TV.

>>6225175
>10 feet away
My CRT is right next to my computer monitor on my desk. I'm like 2 feet away

>>6225092
This can be replicated with royale composite shaders, or you can get both the sharpness and dither blending with mdapt or gdapt shaders if blur isn't your thing. You gain nothing from your shitty old hardware.

>>6225251
dude thats not good for your eyes

>>6225092
To be frank, PAL composite would probably look even better than this, if not just for for the change in aspect ratio, which could just be solved on a monitor.

>>6225025
Indeed.
All of the older CRT autists have been telling people BVMs are not all they are hyped up to be but newfags don't want to listen.

BVMs/PVMs have super thick scan lines. That's not at all how I remember games looking in arcades or at home. Its ugly and distracting and makes it seem like you're looking at the game through window shutters.

>>6225040
>you can't see or notice it because it is intangible with how irrelevant or "there" they are

What planet are you from?

>>6225132
>That BVM image is gorgeous.

No it isn't. It's stupidly pixelated. It looks okay but it's inferior to the other side.

>>6225173
Some monitors have different phosphors pattern than tv or aperture.
JVC/Panasonic, Ikegami, Barco have tridot phosphors, which does not exist in the consumer tv realm.

>>6225043
>>6225132
I won't get my money back for shipping or my time, and it's going to sit on ebay for a long time before selling. People don't buy these every day, look at the sold items on ebay. Only about one a week and they usually end up selling for "best offer" which is lower than the advertised price.

>>6225601
>That's not at all how I remember games looking in arcades or at home

>implying recreating exactly how games looked in the past is always the point

>>6225619
The one where facts matter, kid.

>>6225641
This. I want my games to look even better than they did when I was a kid.

>>6225654
>>6225641
But look at the OP pic. The scanlines version is objectively worse. The colors are too separated, it looks just like a bad shader preset. Besides, if you like that look you can just replicate it exactly with a shader.
The left can't be emulated and looks better. The orange inside the word GHOUL actually looks like fire. On the BVM you can't tell what it's supposed to be right away, maybe blood or something.

I havent heard of Super Ghoul before, is it for a Mega Drive?

>>6225709
No, it may be subjectively worse, but it's objectively better. The BVM has a finer dot pitch and a more tightly controlled beam. Image clarity and color resolution are both improved. You may not like seeing the game so clearly, but the BVM is much better at doing its job as a display.

>>6225749
If you prefer objectively better by standards of clarity, you would consider a 4K display objectively better. Especially since it wouldn't have scanlines blocking part of the image, or you could add them and control their size. The color would be improved (by your standards) too.

>>6225025
>buying an absurdly expensive BVM instead of something like an OSSC and a VGA monitor

>>6225758
You're absolutely right, I do consider a 4K display objectively better. That doesn't mean I prefer it for playing /vr/ games, though.

>>6225025
>using a high-res display for /vr/
Aside from the BVM being a CRT it looks just as bad as a cheap scanlines shader on any regular LCD/OLED. Now some of you are going to get triggered, but blowing up a 240p game to fit a high-res CRT is pretty much the same as doing it on a LCD. Sure you have things like phosphor blending instead of imperfect scaling but the end result is the same: a non-native image size. Meanwhile the TV on the left is designed for 480i/240p so the image is shown in its original size the entire time which looks much better. So go ahead, tell me how much better your meme tube looks while seething at the fact my $20 TV looks better than your $1000 meme.

>>6225768
So we agree that the best for playing /vr/ games is a SD TV, even though a BVM or 4K display are objectively better by your subjective standards of quality.

>>6225025
left gives me fucking eye cancer.
Am PVM owner and it's godlike.
Trust me, anon. You will have a hard time ever going back to SD TVs once you get used to the PRO LOOK.

>>6225761
>not owning all 3 of those and using them side by side

>I listened to youtubers and redditors and I regret it.
No surprise there.

>>6225025
I don't get all the rage about picking the perfect CRT, being a child in the 90's everyone just went with whatever TV they had, usually it was Philips for everyone I knew and games looked great on them.
No one had these meme CRT's everyone wants today, you guys are just falling for some serious shillery there.

>>6225890
This. Back in the days we had a fucking Durabrand CRT in the living room and it was the most shittastic TV you could ever find but it worked fine for PS2 and Genesis and I completed many games on it. Broke eventually and we just left it on the curb on bulk trash collection day.

>>6225890
>No one had these meme CRT's everyone wants today
of course not, they were never meant for consumers nor to play video games on at all. They were worth tens of thousands of dollars and used only for media production, the medical field, or security systems. Imagine playing 4 player split screen huddled around one of those, it's so shit.

>>6225030
Based
Pilled

>>6225632
>does not exist in the consumer tv realm
You sure about that anon?

>>6225890
It's more that as a child you had to deal with whatever your dad put in the living room while as an adult making income you now have a choice. Also what used to be $1,000 high-end state of the art in the 90s is now junk sitting in a warehouse waiting to be torn apart and recycled.

>>6225025
Hey it's that image I posted here last week. Nice Bait thread, OP.

I swear these threads are started by assholes who are trying to push down the value of these displays because they're too poor to afford one.

>>6225632
Doesn't understand what a consumer even is.

>>6226012
They're a few hundred bucks. Who couldn't afford one if they really wanted?
How far down could someone "push down the value" by posting a thread that will quickly die, on a niche website?
Nice logic retard.

>>6226012
Even $300 for an expensive overpriced PVM isn’t a lot of money anon. They’re just not even worth that. I play on my free trinitron I picked up from some old woman. Geometry is slightly bad in the corners but it’s fantastic and is 27” instead of 10”

>>6226026
"a few hundred bucks"

That's quite convenient. Anyone care to sell me their 24 inch and up BVM or PVM for three hundred dollars?

I mean since they're just everywhere around that when I fancy I could just buy one for that price when ever.
Ain't that right, OP?

>>6225890
It was a Matsui 14" for me. I had it from the age of 11 and my SNES and N64 were played with it. It's gone now but I still remember every mark, crack (it endured a lot, there was even a small melted part on the top from when I was messing around with home made blackpowder) and random sticker I put on it. The thing was like a totem pole of my formative years and I really miss it DESU for the link to my past that it was...

>>6226030
You really should put some neo sporin on that sore anus of you're OP. You'll get hemroids.

>>6225030
If you want the RGB look, just use shaders.
Composite blends everything together nicely.
With RGB you can see dithering and stuff.

>>6225980
Yes. No semi-recent (past mid70s) non-sony tv ever used anything other than slotmask. Only Sony used aperture because patent obv, and even after expiration no other manufacturer bothered to make AG TVs.
Tridots don't exist in consumer TVs, they're only found on non-sony pro monitors.

All of this is for the TV / SD realm. I'm aware that tridots are abundant in the computer realm. And also, slotmask also exists in the computer monitor realm, but it's also an entire separe domain due to finer pitch required.

>>6225890
>being a child in the 90's everyone just went with whatever TV they had
It's not the 90s and I'm not a child anymore.
I don't try to recreate my child hood, nor have any desire to do so. When I was a kid I would have killed to have a broadcast monitor and have always been interested in AV as a secondary hobby. Playing retro on a PVM/BVM today is a natural progression.

>>6225709
There are good and bad sides to the BVM in the OP image. You lose some of the blending effects but gain sharpness. In person the contrast of the BVM would be very impressive and pretty compared to the s-video SDTV.

One of the most legit game collectors I know, like, has basically a functional arcade in his house/garage etc, knows more about games/video/CRTs than 98% of this board, only has PVMs because he found them for cheap, like 100 or less.

Which is the only way to own these monitors in a non retarded way. If you're lucky, you could get a 27" JVC D series with component for $50 tops, if not free. The only rationale for choosing to pay $500+ for a 20" BVM when getting good consumer sets for free is still an option is that you're an uncontrollable consoomer and you'll do anything for reddit upvotes or because youtube told you to. Point blank, period.

>>6226072
>and even after expiration no other manufacturer bothered to make AG TVs.
What about the Mitsubishi Diamondtron?

>>6226118
Only on /vr/ is $500 towards a hobby considered some crazy high number.

>>6226118
I have several pro monitors and even a 37" mitsubishi presentation monitor.
Guess what, I also love that one tv model that I knew from family friends back when I was a kid. Finding the same model (actually the slightly higher one, but same tube) was a joy.

>>6226126
>Diamontron
>TV
(ツ)

>>6226147
>>Diamontron
>>TV
Is it not a TV?

>>6226137
It is because you're buying mass-produced obsolete tech. Only stay-at-home NEETs think eBay prices are the standard because they can't just drive up to the thrift store or city dump to pick shit up for a few dollars at most.

>>6226173
You've hilariously behind the times if you think there's any realistic chance of finding a BVM at a thrift store or dump.

>>6226161
It doesn't have a TV tuner so the answer is no. It's a monitor.

>>6226205
Well I never.

OSSC at Line x5 is all you need.

>>6226204
I'm not talking about BVMs. You are legitimately being memed by the likes of Reddit into thinking a studio monitor makes /vr/ look good. No, it doesn't, and if you really wanted a high-res CRT for your 240p consoles just get any run-of-the-mill PC monitor and build/buy yourself a line doubler. But you know what you can find at thrift stores? Perfectly good CRT TVs that do wonders when you connect up your SNES.

>>6225025
>buying a BVM without knowing how it looked like
based retard, PC CRT monitors ftw

>>6226218
Based VGAchad.
I laugh at retards who spend big money on memes without realizing there's an objectively superior alternative for a fraction of the price.

>>6226216
Cram it, nerd.

>>6226236
Ouch. Did I hit a nerve?

>>6226238
cope

>>6226239
With what? The fact over time I bought a nice TV and several consoles for a grand total of under $200?

>>6226250
see
>>6226236

>>6226216
>build/buy yourself a line doubler.
or just emulate

>>6226216
>/vr/ is only mainstream consoles played through RF/Composite on consumer televisions
"no"

>>6226276
>consumer tvs don't have component

>>6226216
i have both a consumer crt and a pvm. the pvm looks better.

You people are approaching a point where you realize that there is a continuum of displays ask with their relative strengths and weaknesses. Yes, a reference grade pro rgb crt doesn't look very different at all from a consumer VGA CRT displaying an emulator which doesn't look all that different from a modern high end OLED running shaders. What you're paying for is the satisfaction of being period authentic but the slight one upsmanship over something like >>6225030 isn't worth the massive premium you pay these days and it definitely wasn't worth it back then.

There was a period in and around 2010 when it was and I'm glad I picked a few pro monitors up back then. I wouldn't buy them now unless I found a killer deal but I also wouldn't sell them. They're cool.

>>6226304
>being period authentic
Which is using a consumer TV. Doesn't have to be store-brand shit either, plenty of regular people had 32 inch Sony Trinitrons and the riches of richfags even had CRT projectors. In the 90s nobody was playing their Nintendo on a PVM.

>>6226280
Silly anon NO ONE had a component tv when they were a child so why would you EVER want to use one??????????????????

>>6226337
>i'm poor so everyone is
The TV I had in the 90s definitely had component, but there was only one input and it was connected to the DVD player and my kid ass couldn't move the 90lb fucker so I made due with the composite inputs on the front. Just because you never had a good TV doesn't mean everyone had bargain bin trash.

>>6226304
The progression of interest in CRTs had been interesting to watch. In the early 2000s when BYOAC and Neo-Geo.com users were starting to seek out CRTs beyond televisions and PC monitors the common knowledge was that older, dot triad RGB monitors were superior. People went to a lot of trouble to seek out and restore arcade monitors from the 80s and 90s for their coarse dot pitch that would round out pixels (please please please do not start with the "CRTs don't have pixels argument, you know what I actually mean) and minimize the appearance of thick scanlines (yes, the black lines are the spaces between the real scanlines, but you also know what I mean here).

Then as the years went by users were finding lots of surplus video equipment and 15khz RGB monitors for sale for next to nothing. Pallets of PVMs for $20 at auction. Some users passed on these because they considered the image to be too sharp and delineated, but other uses didn't seem to be bothered by it and happily adopted them. Then those users spread the message of RGB evangelism for consoles, something which wasn't much on the radar beyond neo-geo.com for a long time. They posted photos of their screens with razor sharp pixels and color and anywhere retro was discussed people would suggest getting a PVM.

Then a whole industry came along and RGB and PVMs became annoying memes. At the same time a strange resentment also set in towards emulation, which is a whole different can of worms to get into.

But anyway tl:dr: PVMs used to considered the poorfag choice, and in 10 short years the CRT scene flipped on its head

>>6226348

>>6226354
>a strange resentment also set in towards emulation
Not a strange resentment. Justified distaste

>>6226384
Why?

>>6226728
primarily input and audio lag/inconsistencies, but also less obvious, less tangible concerns

Personally I use real hardware and then output to a big LCD with a shader. I don't have the lag inconsistencies like >>6226737 pointed out, but I have the advantage of not paying BVM prices, being able to edit scanline settings, not having geometry settings, having blacker blacks and better colors, etc

>>6225025
Congratulations, you fell for the meme and wasted your money

>>6226354
PVMs look like what playing emulators on old PC monitors looked like. I always thought console games had better graphics than PC because of that nice SD softness. I vastly prefer my consumer set.

I don't mind playing on composite crt.
The whole reason I started wanting to use rgb and s-video was because the nes has horrible flickering when scrolling and because when you convert a sega megadrive to 60 hz you get a black and white image without rgb. The best quality rgb I've seen was with a commodore 1084 monitor which I would guess is better than a consumber tv but worse than a pvm.

>>6225040
That would be good since OLEDs will become cheaper than crt's soon but then you have dual cell lcd and micro led.

>>6225092
PC VGA games had dithering too, its nether bothered me. 2 colour mac games can even look good with it.

>>6226276
NOOOOOOOOOO they made crt's after the 2000's, they must be banned, only vectorscopes are allowed.

>>6227098
>OLEDs will become cheaper than crt's soon

Yes, I'm sure that $3,000 will become cheaper than $0 soon. Suggesting an OLED as an alternative to CRT is a joke. "For only $4,000 you can create a setup to emulate a free CRT!".

>>6227108
Not him, but there are OLEDs on my local Craigslist for under $500 right now. It's a stretch to claim they'll be cheaper than CRTs any time soon, but they'll probably be cheap enough to consider as an alternative before too long.

>>6225025
>save up for over 2 years for the perfect CRT

What? Are you a jobless NEET or something?

>>6225025
S-VIDEO MASTER RACE RULES
ALL YOU FAGGOTS DROOL
GET FUCKED MOUTHBREATHERS

>>6227225
Adults have these things called bills, anon,

>>6226737
>input lag
runahead means this is no longer a real issue
>audio lag/inconsistencies
generally doesn't occur on gen 4 and below consoles
>but also less obvious, less tangible concerns
you mean it "not feeling right" because you're not playing on real hardware, which is entirely in your head and not objective. some emulators, such as bsnes and higan, are so close to the real thing the difference is imperceptible - but even on less accurate emulators, you would have to be doing a side by side comparison to know the difference and it may be so small and so negligible that it's not worth discussing.

just admit it - there is a strange, unfounded resentment toward emulation in the retro crowd because of real hardware evangelism and the belief that real hardware is somehow more true and more pure.

>>6227361
>runahead means this is no longer a real issue
Not true; its effectiveness relies on how many frames of delay are in the original
>generally doesn't occur on gen 4 and below consoles
Occurs in all software emulation, regardless of console being emulated
>you mean it "not feeling right"
Not a matter of right and wrong, but superior and inferior. Aesthetically pleasing physical carts and consoles made in the 80s and 90s are superior to roms and modern generic hardware

>>6226213
5x looks shit though, 4x on a cheap CRT computer monitor looks great however

>>6227090
What if...

now hold on a minute..

what if...

someone tried to play an arcade game on a pvm

>>6227132
They're already cheap enough for people who are not literal kids, broke college students, and NEETs.

>>6227627
who else posts here?

>>6227250
>i flip burgers for a living, anon,

I said it the first time I laid eyes on a pvm/bvm like 10 years ago, they don't look as good as a consumer set with svideo. The rush to horde pro CRTs is 100 percent driven by YouTube "influencers". If you fall for it your a dumb goy, big CRTs with svideo and Componet are still plentiful on the give away sites. Wake the fuck up

>>6225028
I remember when I first found out about zsnes, I thought it was so cool to see the pixel art on a computer. But I did notice that the motion on the LCD was crap. This was when CRT monitors were standard and LCD was a luxury, so I just played on a CRT.

I also had problems with input lag before I knew what it was called. I noticed that I hated playing super nintendo on sony wega TVs. But I hear the delay on some of those can be worse than a bad LCD.

>>6230367
>they don't look as good as a consumer set with svideo
It depends on what you're doing with them.
Neo-Geo and CPS1/2 games look best on them since they were designed for RGB to begin with. As would many other arcade games. Lots of Saturn and PS1 games also benefit. And old PC games.

Literally thousands of games when you really think about it.

>>6230417
>But I hear the delay on some of those can be worse than a bad LCD.
It's 2 frames. That's nowhere near a "bad LCD" level. They used to sell "zero lag" LCD monitors that actually had 2 frames of lag. Those monitors were used at EVO.

>>6227414
>>6227361
wow It's almost as if it all comes down to personal preference.

>>6230417
>input delay on wegas
Just dont play /vr/ stuff on HDCRTs its not complicated

>>6225025
the BVM looks good imo. However i always liked the sort of softness an old regular crt gave graphics. The colors and pixels just blended together in it's own way to make the sprites look better.

The virgin PVM
>expensive unless you spend months awkwardly farting around on the medical and av surplus market
>high TVL count results in overly pixelated image
>probably have to settle for 19" or smaller
>RGB quality is a placebo-tier improvement over component
>looks like ass

the chad consumer TV
>still common and cheap/free, get one off your local craiglist or fb marketplace tomorrow
>coarse screen pitch makes /vr/ games look juuuuust right as the devs intended
>25" and 27" models are the sweet spot for a retro gaming display, but big-ass models are also out there
>s-video is slept on and gives great results
>plenty of old games need composite video to look correct anyway
>wide variety of colors and designs to pick from
>with service menu adjustments picture quality can be superb

the supreme being PC CRT
>hooks directly up to your GTX series GPU
>shader effects let you emulate a wide variety of CRT styles
>high resolution ability also great for PC gaming of yesteryear and today
>the choice of ascended ones who have left the need for physical media behind

>>6225621
>pixelated
Not at the proper viewing distance.

>>6227090
>>6230702
How would you know which games are designed for the softness blending effects?

>>6231441
I think low resolution pre-rendered backgrounds are designed around softness

>>6231443

At the end of the day is a matter of taste honestly

>>6231451
yes, of good or bad taste.

>>6225256
>royale or gadpt
Why not both?

>>6227562
Depends if your TV or Monitor supports 1600×1200 or not. X5 on a decent setup is incredible.

>>6231443
>>6231445
Maybe it's the compression when you gif'd it, but the royale versions look like they're tinted pink.

Kinda surprised there's not a company out there making pro gaymer CRTs yet.

>>6232967
You can just pull one out of the garbage, the shittier the better, apparently.

>>6232973
Yeah, but imagine a modern CRT with both analog and digital circuits that ran at 1440p. You could capture the high refresh, esports, speedrunning, retro gaming and smelee market all at once.

>>6230707
The anon 6230707
>bitter about PVM scarcity

>>6232981
9ms OLED and shaders
This defeats the C.R.T. (Cringe Retard Toy)
If there was a real demand for CRTs they would make them again.

>>6233060
Only works for emulation which is a no go for the speedrunning and retro fighting game community. Not to mention CRT technology is still superior when it comes to framerate and hasn't been surpassed.

The only thing that can defeat CRT is HDMI 2.1

>>6232967
CRT production requires special tools, (toxic) materials, skilled personnel, and large scale manufacturing to be sustainable- and to make the sort of high quality monitor you're looking for, which will ultimately cost tens of thousands of dollars to the buyer. They're also incredibly heavy, physically bulky, and fragile.

It's not feasible.

Consumer sets are God's (and developer's) will, dont let Lucifer (and hoarding boomers) trick you out of your cash with his pvmeme

>>6233147
I'm sure the developers of CPS2 games intended their games to be played on composite video televisions.

>>6233043
>scarcity
>dozens for sale on ebay at any given moment

>>6232481
It’s the xm29 versions, it has a hue change to look more like the set but it looks better than just standard crt royale, a does the 256px variants

>>6233154
crts they used on arcades were often lower quality than consumer tvs

>>6233168
Maybe in third world slums, the ones at my place were way better than any consumer set, they were like huge PVM's.

>>6233168
Not in Japan.

Unless you're playing on a defective TV I think it ends up being your own choice on what you preffer

>>6233078
>no-go for the super autism communities
Oh no. Such a shame.

>>6233078
Aren’t there 240hz monitors now?

>>6225256
Man, how do you combine shaders? I recently found an awesome Genesis shader that makes Earthworm Jim look indistinguishable from the real thing, but retroarch didn't like them.
Can you combine shaders within Retroarch or do you have to edit a text file?

>>6233702
honestly I just use presets as there are good enough ones there already, otherwise you have to add layer upon layer

>>6233702
>I recently found an awesome Genesis shader that makes Earthworm Jim look indistinguishable from the real thing
No you didn't

>>6233717
not that anon but there are some good filters, especially ones that flicker

>>6225025
How much did you pay anon? Just curious.

Did you have a look around your area for local production companies and hospitals?

Sorry to be a dick but mine cost me 2 bottles of cheap wine from a video production company. And I play most games on composite, looks great to me!

>>6233779
Needs more fuzz.

>>6233803
nah I'm good, the screen jittering makes it look like composite without the bad colours

>>6233809
Post andy asteroids.

>>6233810
looks even better in motion

>>6225025
you saved 2 years for a piece of shit bvm? are you 12? did you mow lawns? jesus christ you fucking pathetic zoomers.... lol

>>6225028
Same here, I loved it.

>fell for the PVM meme
Feels good and I have never once regretted it, even though I paid out the ass for my TV. (It was brand new in box, amazingly)

I love how people always show off Earthworm Jim, like it's a game that's worth playing.

>>6234254
It's one of the best games of 1994 and one of the best of it's generation.

>>6234261
Look at all the games released for the Mega Drive in 94' and then try to say that with a straight face.

>>6234281
I just did.

>>6234282
No, you typed it out and posted it an anonymous message board.

>>6234287
Here is a picture of me as I'm typing this post. As you can see I have a straight face.

>>6234291
Have you got a picture of you typing instead of a picture of you looking at gay porn?

>>6234254
I love how people miss the point of why it’s being shown

>>6234254
I love how people miss the point of why it’s being shown

>>6234637
We get it, "Muh, dithering". When actually it doesnt really effect the majority of decent games on the system.

>>6234672
As far as mega drive goes, for me it definitely does, comparing multiplat games that are also on snes and you can see it’s limitations and earthworm Jim uses it heavily

>>6234637
>a console with video output so legendarily shitty that it was used as a feature
Why was Sega so incompetent?

>>6231443
>>6231445
I'm always astonished how much of the ugly is taken out when REMOVING some of the sharpness of these games.
You were clearly never meant to see these games pixel perfect on ultra sharp tvs/lcds, the dithering virtually transforms the picture on these games on a consumer grade crt.

Even booting up crono cross hooked up to my crt with component it doesn't look as razor sharp as these unfiltered images, though not nearly as soft as those heavily filtered images either.

Wonder how they'd look if I busted out the composite cable.

>>6233132
Considering the chinks were one of the last major crt manufacturers and don't give a shit about toxic materials you would think they would be all over it.

>>6234696
Them or the Russians

>>6225092
oh god. the "rainbow banding" meme.

>>6233824
>all those vertical black lines
That's awful.

>>6234672
I've played the top 20 most popular genesis games, and every single one of them uses that dithering to some extent.

>>6235069
That’s just part of the captured image, doesn’t look like that when playing

>>6225025
>this thread again
fuck off already you composhit/consumer crt autist

>>6225601
You're supposed to stay 5 feet away from the tv at minimum you retard.
For Arcade monitors, if the scanlines bother you then you want something less sharp because you're so close to it.

Jesus christ it's not that hard.

>>6225621
I don't notice a single pixel. All just sharp lines.
And from a normal viewing distance you won't even notice the scanlines much at all.

>>6225709
>The scanlines version is objectively worse.
Please kill yourself.

>>6226101
>blending effects
That's your imagination.
You're not losing anything with the BVM.

>>6225814
False equivalency.
A BVM can output 240p natively.
Modern tech can't do it(except with shaders but LCD's and even OLED's fall short in so many other respects)

>>6225804
>blowing up
No such thing in a CRT.
Learn how CRT's work and then come back here again after you're older than 18.

>>6226030
>300 dollars is too much for a monitor that cost 10 grand when it was new
Back to >>>/v/

>>6226147

Holy shit, I had one of these as a kid. Thank you for the 1990s feels

>>6235373
>240p natively
You do know that pixels scale perfectly fine if it’s integer right?

>>6226354
It hasn't been interesting at all.
It's the same as its always been.
For arcade cabs you want that higher dot pitch because you're sitting very close to it.

For consoles nobody gives a shit since as long as you stay in a normal viewing distance you can have a 1000TVLine monitor and you won't notice shit and you only get a better picture as a result.

>>6230702
>Muh color blending
This is the worst meme by people who don't know shit.

>>6231443
>low resolution pre-rendered backgrounds are designed around softness
You are absolutely delusional.
The pre-rendered backgrounds for these games were rendered at high resolution before being downscaled for the games.

>>6234692
That's 240p vs 1080p integer scaling garbage you idiot.
Those games will never ever look that sharp in a CRT, not even in a 1000TVL BVM. It's the integer scaling dogshit that's making them look oversharpened because you literally have 4 times the pixels.

>>6233060
OLED is DoA
High Brightness MicroLED with Shaders and Strobing is the only tech that can truly replace the CRT.

>>6235419