/vr/ - Retro Games

=== NEWS ===

[2-24] Nobody told me about id updated to v0.1.8
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&start=120#p1139131

[2-24] ZRadar released.
https://gitlab.com/accensi/zradar

[2-24] Someone ripped all of Quake champions models for use
https://knockout.chat/thread/9182

[2-24] A new Quake 2 neural upscale texture update has been released
https://github.com/Calinou/quake2-neural-upscale/releases/tag/v2.0.0

[2-24] Complex Clusterfuck 4.1 has been released
https://hastebin.com/raw/lecocidofo
https://mega.nz/#F!LB91TKqI!ToGHXZx-4ipB0kL5tzo5Zw
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Edp92Gr590NNd7rCLit5F8yrKm8y9SvJ

[2-24] MetaDoom to change how inventory works and its Dehacked mapset compatibility
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=53010&sid=1bc7f630d04de675d528eb139da9d882&start=1695#p1139257

[2-17] Kinsie has released stuff that he stopped working on, allowing people to pick the code for their own purposes
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=67520

[2-16] Doosk, a Dusk TC for Doom, has been released by AlphaEnt2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo9E8axNJcM [Embed]

[2-16] Quality of life improvement small update on the LTG follower;
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67163&p=1134455#p1138185

[2-15] Nobody told me about id updated to V0.1.5
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=67319&start=75

[2-15] New addon for Blood released using Nblood-specific features
https://www.moddb.com/addons/no-hope-in-sight-demo

[2-13] Double Impact is now officially curated
https://twitter.com/bethesda/status/1228036917524094978?s=20

[2-10] Nobody Told Me About id v0.1.2 - A Build Engine-styled mod
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TMDyzC2ARg&feature=emb_title [Embed]

[2-8] Russian Overkill hotfixed.
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=29915&p=1136358#p1136358

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first for: I'm learning how to make Quake maps, because I want to make some for Dusk.
If anyone wants to be my mapping partner so we can help each other learn, send me a DM

>>6223665
sorry I fucked up

>involved in some shitty ass random web project
>thought how cool it would be having doom in there
>surely some mad nerdo ported doom to JS/HTML5
>they ported fucking dosbox
>good enough, but maybe we can do better and get a straight off DOOM port
>tons of news pieces from 9 (nine) fucking years ago
>that's almost a decade
>all point to some mozilla demo web-sight
>not there, at least not anymore
>keep searching
>completely vanished from the face of the earth
>only proof of it ever existing is some low quality 4:3 yt video from that time
FUCK
none of you fellas would happen to have a copy or direct me to where I can find it, or at least something similar
can make do with dosbox, but still got me curious

I just got my hands on GZDoom and im eager to go wild. What are some must play WADs/interesting mods you guys would recommend? I've already got brutal doom and am thinking of trying Torment & Torture (saw footage and inspired me to get this) but i don't plan on stopping there.

>>6223638
Finished it myself just yesterday. The arenas could have used more variety by the end, but damn if that wasn't one of the best games I've played from the 2010s. Big pet peeve, however, was that the Doomguy/slayer didn't slap the shit out of Samuel Hayden for installing the tethering device without informing him first. I thought it was really out of character for the Doomguy they had characterized up to that point. Door opens, some new software, Samuel Hayden makes a smart remark about how he wouldn't have let him install it if he knew it was coming...and Doomguy just stands there. Wtf? That was totally primed for a beatdown, a "don't fucking do that again" moment that would further fuel Samuel's disdain for his methodology. They even set this sort of encounter up in the codex when Hayden has that quote about his top of the line cyborg body, how the world may never know when it will be in need of a hero. But he's no hero, Doomguy is. I've gone on so long about one moment, but it just baffles my mind how that got past EVERYONE at id.
>Okay, so when Doomguy opens the door, Hayden is there and installs some shit without his permission.
>Okay, what'll we have Doomguy do in response?
>Stand there and accept it
NOBODY on the team thought was fucking stupid? Jesus christ.

>>6223692
>brutal doom
Yikes!
>What are some must play WADs/interesting mods you guys would recommend?
Read the infographic in the OP.

>>6223692
If you like Brutal Doom, take a gander at Project Brutality 3.0

>>6223665
news post wasn't updated it seems

>>6223708
they are tho, not in the right order.

>[2-24] Someone ripped all of Quake champions models for use
Will this mean what i think it means?

>>6223697
>Yikes!
I know it's edgy shit and the author is a dickbag, but i've seen so much of it around i had to give it a try.
>Read the infographic in the OP.
aaaaand I'm blind, i'll take a look, thanks.

>>6223725
absolutely nothing because people won't pay patreon bux or commission money for porn of characters nobody was waifuing.

there is literally nothing wrong with brutal doom

>>6223728
This. Been using it since the first releases.

>>6223728
i mean, it's a bit poorly made and most complaints suck because they don't target the ACTUAL problems of the mod that could have made it sound bad
nor do they do a good job at pointing out the drama when there should be screenshots, links and archives to back it up, in a day and age of callout culture, when even encyclopedia dramatica had a video showing some shit and years ago, actual screenshots were posted and now people just have to look it up on archives like desuarchive
but i've seen worse mods and BD had some impact, for better or worse

Goddamn, I didn't expect the later levels of Hellbound to be this nuts. It's a really good challenge too!

>>6223741
What's your setup?

>>6223647
try drawing a layout on actual paper
start very abstract, then fill in the details to make rooms unique once youve finished a sketch

>>6223742
Vanilla Essence, War Trophies, and Smooth Doom

There's a WAD I'm looking for that someone posted here at some point that cant remember the name of. It included walking through a town and buildings, slower paced with a radar to alert enemy presence and the enemies were pretty lethal. it had sights that bobbed back and forth over the guns too, can anyone help me?

Just played mordeth and it was pretty ass.

>>6223692
Never seen so much awful taste in a single post
>brutal doom
>torment and torture
>gzdoom

>>6223760
I don't get what is so special about it. Even in comparison to other wads from the time, it was really nothing much.

>>6223741
why you so small

>>6223765
gzdoom is fine if you disable texture filtering and use software lighting. Like it or not there are many wads that use zdoom features.

>>6223765
>Never seen so much awful taste in a single post
Lol then enlighten me buddy. Why do you think I'm asking? So far i've got nothing to go by on anything besides "looks neat"

>>6223772
Because crouch was enabled for some reason, and I somehow forgot that you could hotkey screenshot,so I ctrl-prtscr'd.

>>6223739
does "it's a janky pile of shit that's coded so badly, it's a miracle it works at all" count
for example (and this is just the first example I found when starting the mod up again), the reloading options are literally give/take console commands, which means they won't work online and gzdoom will rightfully complain about trying to invoke goddamn cheat codes through the menu
and when I disabled the "level enhancement" thing, I warped to map10 and found that it didn't actually turn off

I also happen to think that the majority of the weapons feel like garbage, but that's subjective while horrendous coding and massive jank isn't

>>6223778
As said before read the infographic in the OP, also go look through the cacowards there's a lot of good shit in there as well.

>>6223687
>web-sight
https://js-dos.com/

>>6223726
>edgy shit and the author is a dickbag
Do you think anybody cares about that here? The problem with brutal doom is its gameplay isn't really compatible with the way the authors of most wads intended them to be played. In other words it fucks with balance and then the shitty brutal doom users complain about said balance. They also essentially portbeg for wads that have new weapons or enemies etc to have "brutal doom support" like this is something worth the modders time.

>>6223807
Yeah, that's the one I was talking about in that post.
I was looking for some sort of HTML5/JS "native" Doom port or if that's even a thing, not a DOS emu that can run Doom. Apparently one existed long ago (in that mozilla web-sight's) but it's vanished completely, wonder if Bethesda has anything to do with it.
Might end up using the DOS thing though.

is this the comfiest WAD of all time?

>>6223809
>muh balance
So does GMOTA, High Noon Drifter, and pretty much any other doom mod inexistence.

>>6223809
I'm not so much of a stiff ass that im going to complain about balance or demand support for a mod that blatantly changes the way the gameplay works. Why should i give a shit about retards screeching and pissing themselves over an unbalanced gameplay mod not being balanced when my literal goal is to fuck around with any mods i can find? I'm not trying to 'fix' Doom.

Idea for secret in Quake map: a small hole in the skybox, the interior all with skybox texture so it is invisible, if you shoot a grenade into it, it activates a door or something.

>>6223825
Good for you however brutal doom and its retard base have already established their reputation.

there's an Armageddon Invasion 2 server up with 20 players on it atm, come play it for the good old days of 2008.

>>6223759
Disregard this post, i suck cocks. I was apparently watching a video with a bunch of mods and an addon to a WAD

>Ashes 2063:
>Deadman walking
>Hideous Destructor mod

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeaNb5QzoU0

27 years later, ibmfags BTFO

>>6223826
What's the point in having secrets you can't find without walkthrough or examining game files?

>>6223863
There would be hints, of course.

>>6223817
>wonder if Bethesda has anything to do with it
They did, or more specifically Zenimax (Bethesda's parent company) did.
https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Doom_on_the_Web
Zenimax took it down because it distributed the shareware version of DOOM. The shareware version, the one that was created with the intention of being freely distributed by anyone to everyone.

>>6223692
Have you played the vanilla games first, anon? I'm not going to criticize your tastes in wads as long as you've played the original so you have a point of reference on what the mods change.

>>6223673
I bought dusk yesterday because the multiplayer looked great
>can't rebind or unbind mousewheel weaponswitch
kill me

>>6223878
what continent you on?
I haven't got to play duskworld yet

>>6223872
What a bunch of faggots, god damn.
Thanks for bringing closure to this fren, of all the places I forgot to check the wiki.
I wonder if there's a copy somewhere.

>>6223846
Shit that's pretty impressive.

>>6223692
people here are trendy hipster autists, it's not enough to just disagree with your tastes but they'll ridicule you for it.
That said, it depends what kind of stuff you're interested in. There's no good archives with expansive filtering for wads so you're stuck with word of mouth.
Icarusliv3s on youtube probably has the best curation of wads but the video quality is shit and he just rambles rather than reviews most of the time: https://www.youtube.com/user/ICARUSLIV3S/playlists
there's also cacoawards too.

>>6223874
Of the classics I've played 1 and 2 but not Final. I've never played with any mods or WADs whatsoever so aside from clips and screenshots i have no firsthand experience with anything thats out there. I appreciate some people pointing me to the OP, but i was also hoping for some personal opinions on whats worth playing and what's not.

>>6223809
you're just as retarded for sperging out at the mere mention of it

>>6223897
Pretty much everything on the infographics and the cacowards (except maybe joke wads or stuff that's recommended solely for historical significance) is worth playing. Without a frame of reference is hard to tell what you personally will like or not, so just pick anything that looks/sounds cool and work from there.

>>6223879
EU. It's great mechanically and I played a few duels but i'm used to having rockets bound to mousewheel so it's like pulling my fingernails out.

>>6223925
damn, I'm NA
well are you interested in mapping?

>>6223834
Armageddon is the only thing anyone ever plays on online. Where's all the classic multiplayer? pubs on every single game I play are dead and people only play meme modes.

>>6223927
I would be if I could play the fucking game

>>6223935
anon just click on their heads

>>6223937
apparently it's been a problem since 2017 and they've never fixed it. Seems like a refund to me

>>6223943
Wait, what's wrong with the game?
I thought you just posted a video of high level play.

>>6223664
Is there any doom with cute or chibi style mods?

>>6223809
You're phrasing it really fucking poorly. The problem isn't so much that it's not compatible with vanilla maps, every mod breaks the "intended gameplay", that's the goddamn point, Hideous Destructor is outright stated by the author to likely not be realistically playable on many, many maps, including official ones..

What Brutal Doom falters in is that its balance doesn't make any fucking sense, low tier monsters are made stronger and more dangerous, which is fine, and something that I like, but what it then does is that it makes higher tier monsters much easier to fight by giving them all sorts of weaknesses (some unintentional, even), where they're made far less of a threat. The result is less of a difficulty curve, and more just a difficulty line.

Compare to Russian Overkill where all your weapons are made stupidly overpowered, because the author thinks it would be fun to sweep through giant hordes in slaughtermaps (and a lot of people seem to think the same), or the previously mentioned Hideous Destructor, where all the enemies are made much more dangerous to you, you as the player is made much more fragile and less mobile, and all the weapons and equipment has behaviors and quirks which can work against you if you don't learn them.

>They also essentially portbeg for wads that have new weapons or enemies etc to have "brutal doom support" like this is something worth the modders time.
This is true.

>>6223945
>>6223878

>>6223956
>What Brutal Doom falters in is that its balance doesn't make any fucking sense, low tier monsters are made stronger and more dangerous, which is fine, and something that I like, but what it then does is that it makes higher tier monsters much easier to fight by giving them all sorts of weaknesses (some unintentional, even), where they're made far less of a threat. The result is less of a difficulty curve, and more just a difficulty line.
So what's the problem?

>>6223959
elucidate

>>6223820
Yes.

>>6223872
Sounds like Zenimax are fucking idiots, but hey, is that a surprise to anyone?

>>6223959

>>6223969
They will bury bethesda. In fact its already done maybe.

Much like EA, Blizzard etc they are most likely going after the mobile microtransaction carrot.

>>6223664
Not sure if Deus Ex discussion is allowed on this general, but since >>6216086 posted this in the last thread, I've been meaning to ask something.
I've beaten DX1 three times, once with vanilla and once with Shifter and once with GMDX, and since I did all of these playthroughs in the same year, I got burnt out from gameplay mods with the same vanilla story and want to take a break to play some TCs
I pretty much can choose between these mods for my next playthrough:
>Nameless Mod
>2027
>Zodiac
>Nihilum
>Terminus Machina
Which one should I play first?
No Malkavian mod, I already played that

>>6223693
The scene you're complaining about, you can actually shoot him, but he has shields and shrugs off all your weapons, even commenting on it if he's not in the middle of his speech.

>>6223693
While i agree that Doomguy's knee jerk reaction would have likely been something around the lines of 'shoot him in the face' but if i recall wasn't Doomguy also looking for him to be pointed in the right direction? Can't recall exactly.

>>6223959
[VGW]
[VGTG]
[VGS]
WOHOO! I AM THE SHAZBOT!

>>6223664
Just installed all the retro dooms and oblige. Im ready to clear out rng hell

>>6223949
La Tailor Girl is cute to say the least

>>6224071
All DOOM wads are cannon. Doomguy stayed in hell tormenting the demons

>>6223929
>Armageddon is the only thing anyone ever plays on online.
Do you live 10 years in the past or something? What the hell. I hadn't seen armageddon servers for years until recently. There's literally one armageddon server up and it has only 2 players now.

>>6224094
>All DOOM wads are cannon
Cringe.

>>6224094
eh, maybe just the maps

>>6224106
In hell, being an alternate dimension, theyve tried throwing everything they can at you.

>>6224108
Like the quantum leap of hell

>>6224094
Even H-Doom huh?

>>6224113
Doomguy. Pic related

>>6224118
Raping demons doesnt seem thematically appropriate for hell?

>>6224124
Doomguy doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would strip off his armor right int he middle of combat to start fucking some demons.

>>6224129
Good thing he only whips his dick out. Tactical fucking.

>>6224129
>be stuck in an alternate dimension where the rules of time and death are vague in essentially a groundhogs day scenario

You wouldnt fuck demons eventually?

>>6224118
>AHUHUHUHUHUHU EVEN H-DOOM?
every fucking time.

>>6224158
u mad?

>>6224118
>Le funny H-Doom joke
This shit got more tiresome than those Animal Crossing/Doom Eternal crossovers.

i know its mostly a lightsaber game but fucking hell the shooting in jedi outcast is fucked up

>tiny tiny hitboxes
>projectile bullets so delay
>weapons are incredibly innacurate
also combine that with
>stick aiming

Good god.

>>6224173
>playing outcast on a console
>not using the e-11 altfire
For what purpose?

>>6224173
watch at your own peril

>>6224174
you mean the alt fire thats twice as inaccurate again than the primary fire?

>>6224173
Why the fuck are you using a gamepad?

>>6224172
anytime someone posts "le every wad is canon" then it going to get an h-doom response. Stupid statements get stupid responses. Who knew?

>>6224181
playing on a handheld with switch.

Thats not the point. The point is the guns and projectiles and hitboxes!!!

>>6224185
>playing on a handheld with switch.

I am sorry but that is the point. Its an old pc game what did you expect?

Has Fresh Supply been fixed yet? I just want to show there is a market for blood in 2020

>>6224184
That's just not that, H-Doom gets constantly mentioned almost every single time when talking about Doom mods.
It's pretty much beating a dead horse.

>>6224197
No it was abandoned.

>>6224187
I play tons of shooters just fine on my switch

>Turok 1+2
>Half life
>Duke 3D
>Doom/II/Heretic/Hexen
>AvP Gold
>Wolf 3D
>Powerslave
>Quake/2/3
>Ion Fury

They all handle fine. It's Jedi Outcast that's the problem. The weapons are awfully innacurate and small hitboxes

>>6224206
They actually want to update it but Atari won't sign off on it. They shut down any more updates.

>>6224184
But HDoom is canon too

>>6224221
The alternate realm doom guy is ripping and tearing through can manifest anything

>>6224218
>Blood is in limbo due to Atari
>Hexen/Heretic will never see the light of day while Raven soft is used for CoD mapping
>Douk owned by Randy
>Other more obscure FPS games lost to time or in similar situations
I hate this world.

The last version I posted was too wide so here is a fixed version. Also this is the last version so feel free to spread it around now.

>>6223994
Nameless Mod is pretty good and the bigger a Deus Ex fan you are the more you will enjoy it. Nihilum is good if you want something more serious and it is only around 10 hours.

>>6224227
It's just awful. Why the fuck Atari is so stingy with Blood? They didn't do jack shit for 21 goddamn years with it. Give it to someone else.
Turok got the remasters but don't know if it brings something more.

We only have Doom at this point considering Quake died again and so did Wolfenstein.
And I'm skeptical about Eternal.

Life is pain.

>>6224227
>A studio that was like id Software's brother is in the Call of Duty mines
Sounds awful in paper, just to think about it

>>6224227
Anon, intellectual property doesn't matter.
If someone actually wanted to, they could make their own IP that is a throwback to all the shit you like.
But there isn't, so even if someone was going to do something, it would be shitty like DNF because they don't care.

>>6224341
That's not my problem, I actually really love this wave of spiritual successors that are coming out, I just want the inspirations to also be alive and well instead of IP hell.

>>6224341
This is the real sad truth.

>>6224108
What was Hell's motivation for creating Russian Overkill?

>>6224358
Vodka and tracksuits.

>metadoom can allow itself to be playable with most dehacked maps now

>>6224358
had to do something after Stalin sent all the commies

>>6224375
This mod just keeps getting better.

>>6224094
If every doom mod is canon, then that means every single gaming ip (that has a doom mod) is connected through Doom alone

>>6224382
I still would like something closer to Red Alert. Imagine a mod where you fight the Soviets from those games.
They're stronger than the nazis in any Wolfenstein game.

>>6223846
That runs at a much better framerate than I thought it would.

>>6224129
impencse.wad

>>6224286
Because maybe, possible, on the off chance they might do something with the IP

>>6224414
But they didn't in 21 years. They're just really stingy.

>>6224392
Which is one of the many, MANY reasons that "all wads are canon" is not just cringe, but *unfathomably* stupid if you just stop and think about it, and not just the blatantly idiotic stuff, but also the stuff which just doesn't work with the intent of the .wad's authors.
>Remember all those times Doomguy went on numerous adventures that happened immediately after Hell On Earth, finally defeated hell for good each single time?
>Remember when Doomguy was captured by demons and his wife (who looks like himself in a wig and a dress) had to rescue him?
>Remember when Doomguy was Terminator?
>Remember when Doomguy was Robocop?
>Remember when Doomguy was Judge Dredd?
>Remember when Doomguy was Batman?
>Remember when Doomguy was Homer Simpson?
>Remember when Doomguy went to the Terrywad dimension?
>Remember when the demons were actually aliens?
>Remember those times Doomguy died at the end?
>Remember when Doomguy was a schoolshooter?
>Remember when the demons weren't aliens?
>Remember when Doomguy went through Hell On Earth, but all the demons were sexy ladies and he fucked all of them?
>Remember when Doomguy was a cowboy?
>Remember when Doomguy was a Ghostbuster?
>Remember when Doomguy was Megaman?
>Remember when Doomguy was somehow B.J Blazkowicz and fought the Nazis in WW2? No no, not the secret Doom 2 Wolfenstein levels, stuff like WolfenDoom and Blade Of Agony (so if you subscribe to the idea that they're related, that Doomguy is his own fucking grandpa).
>Remember when Doomguy did The Sky May Be?
>Remember when Doomguy was Brian Peppers?
>Remember when Doomguy was an Imp?
>Remember when Doomguy fucked an Imp?
>Remember when Doomguy was a Baron Of Hell?
>Remember when Doomguy was a reincarnated Cyberdemon?
>Remember when Doomguy was a pirate?

It's a funny idea as a shitpost, but it quickly becomes a very AWFUL idea if you want to take it seriously and apply even the slightest analysis. Consistency and tone is all over the place.

>hell revealed
>berserker punching demons to suck this from ROTT

>>6224428
Hell is fucking weird and shit gets twisted around. I see it as a weird fever dream that's just a fun thought. Also describing anything as cringe is stupid.

>>6224428
>but it quickly becomes a very AWFUL idea if you want to take it seriously
but that's the thing, no one is taking it seriously

besides, it becomes fun when you think of doom as being a multiverse with multiple timelines and limitless scenarios

Doom RLA Pistol be like

>>6224428
Can this be a series of books? Especially the Doomguy being a pirate?

>>6224428
>Implying we can't have Doom's tone be all over the place like zork?

I've got my own weird headcanon for when I play mods, but that's largely for gameplay mods. I get it, but there is a not too hard and not too retarded way of doing this.

As a start: it's not always doomguy himself but other people in his place with a similar skillset.

Second: TC's aren't in the same universe.

Third: Multiverse.

anyone have a link for babel?

>>6224448
>Third: Multiverse.
Let us continue down this path. Once we get their minds to tap into Doom being a multiverse, we can work on the understanding we exist in a multiverse ourselves.

>>6224445
Revolver with Scout is OP

>>6224450
https://mega.nz/#!fokCgb4J!OtyUkqVPh5eH5M1KSNa-7vC722vazJ5_e_n2Xz-KwAM

Pro tip: Combine it with PSX Doom TC. It's a ton of fun and one of the most "Doom" experiences I've ever had.

>>6224464
I mean the stock pistol but k

>>6223725
>>6223727
Meh, Nyx has potential. Possibly Slash. Galena as a futa. Sorlag for the "niche" @ /gif/

>>6224375
Neat.

>>6224265
Cool, I've added it to the album.

>>6224428
Doom 2016 is another dimension. So are all those wads. It's not cringe, it's just a fun idea and you're a wet blanket.

>>6224443
Multiple different timelines, sure, that works, hell, you kinda have to assume it with even Final Doom because neither are clearly stated to be before or after one another.

Then it's not a single canon though, then it's multiple different ones.

>>6224446
Sure, he can be shirtless on the cover, like Fabio.

>>6224448
That's why headcanon is by far a better approach for Doom than anything else, because there's so many variables and possibilities, many which don't necessarily add up.

>>6224492
I'd actually want to fuck Slash, but I'd have to find someone to go through the effort of actually making material with her.

>>6224179
I remember having to use the altfire on that thing like a shotgun, I remember using pretty much every gun at close range actually because none of the enemies had that much health and lightsaber wielders can't handle that much shit flying at them.

>>6223664
wads for this feel? need me some dark, urban exploration vibes

>>6224102
I reinstalled a few months ago to play some pubs. The only thing i've ever seen people on is
>QCDE
>invasion/horde
>Megaman deathmatch
>whatever that C&C renagades clone is called
There's of course always coop too. I just wanna pvp man.

>>6223820
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-GcNiw0f1s

>>6224428
There's an infinite number of dimensions and in one of those dimensions the doom guy isn't a human being, he's actually sonic the hedgehog.

>>6224215
There's nothing wrong with the game, you're just trying to play it on a platform it wasn't designed for. Sure they should have made QoL improvements for the port but really what were you expecting from modern vidya industry?
Besides, afaik every game you listed as hueg hitboxes and/or autoaim. JK/A was unabashedly designed for m&k accuracy.

>>6224608
honestly with the way blocking works in jedi knight i don't think you could even duel in multiplayer for more than a few seconds.

Has anyone made a map that's just all of the maps from the game put together? Like instead of pressing a button to go to the victory screen, you press a button to open a door that leads to the next map? I guess sometimes you'd need a hallway or something to prevent the levels from intersecting.

>>6223664
wads to survive the incoming pandemic?

>>6224676
Doom One

>>6223664
>implying this isn't the greatest wallpaper in the history of the world

>>6224730
Nah

https://youtu.be/voR1G872evk?t=4m13s

Does this sound like At Doom's Gate to anyone else?

>>6224746
Definitely, but considering we already know that Doom's music was copied from various metal songs, I'm sure it's a coincidence.

Also, when you want an embedded video link to link to a specific time, use &t= instead of ?t= and just put the time in seconds without units.
https://youtu.be/voR1G872evk&t=253

>>6224594
How does one play the .mus files extracted from WADs? I wish to start uploading obscure WAD OSTs, but it's looking more and more like I'll just have to let it run in-game and turn on OBS to record it until it loops, which I don't mind doing. Just wondering if there's a better way.

>>6224750
Just right click and copy URL at current time.

Found a Pain Elemental

c.kid not amused

>>6224569
Bloody Steel, though it's got a more decaying industrial vibe with some surprises.

>>6224676
Memorial.wad by Eternal combines all of Doom 2 into one Boom map.

>>6223664
I'm worried that Bethesda might put popular fan WADs into the current ports of doom and won't properly acknowledge or pay the original creators for it

>>6224838
But they already are properly acknowledging them, and doing interviews with them.

>>6224838
>or pay the original creators for it
>or pay the original creators
>or pay
>pay
A financial incentive for making Doom maps would be absolute cancer. As would making mapsets for the purpose of being noticed by Bethesda. Forget people making Caco-bait, this would be significantly worse!

>>6224768
XWE, maybe slade. XWE is really old though i don't know if it works on anything past windows xp.

>>6224583
you might have to jump through some hoops but most of the time pvp on zand is done in the private servers on funcrusher i think.

>>6223741
>MASTER SARGEANT
>SHOOTING PERSON

>>6223935
Is it possible to do enable colored lighting in Quakespasm?

>>6224874
https://www.moddb.com/games/quake/addons/quake-colored-lightmaps

What are the best city maps in any wad?

>>6224889
Hellbound

>>6224852
XWE wouldn't run on my W10, Slade won't play any of the whitemare tracks for some damn reason. I even pointed out the GZDoom soundfont. Any ideas?

>>6223963
>So what's the problem?
Usually mods try to keep the difficulty curve the same. Strong monsters keep being strong, weak monsters remain relatively weak, even if the curve itself are elevated and both are stronger/weaker than original counterpart.

BD screws that up.

Not to mention fuckton of bugs that persisted for ages and still weren't fixed in the apparently "final update" including scripts breaking because scripts attached to player transfer to voodoo doll, monsters teleporting out of bounds due to altered radius values, infights breaking out and defusing encounters before player even reaches the monsters, because Cybie and Masterminds steps are explosive with radial damage, monsters waking up because of the borky code somewhere nobody sure where
and so on

>>6224179
>>6224173
>my reticle isn't at the target
>i am clearly shooting past the target
>why aren't my shots hitting the target

That's what retardation looks like.
There's a reason console shooters require heavy aim assist.

also
>not using 100% accurate Briar pistol charge to headshot everything
absolute pleb

>>6224889
what's this from?

>>6224935
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/101652-gta-doom-v501-wip/
Got it from here

been playing TrumpDoom with Demonsteele, and it's not bad at all, it's actually pretty fun
the level design feels kinda reminiscent of Duke3D

are there any other wads inspired by Build engine games? I especially like how interactive the environment is

whats being used in this screenshot? there are quite a few quake for doom wads but none of them seem to be the one used here

>>6223765
There is literally nothing wrong with Gzdoom. You can disable all "too modern" features anyway.

Also UTnT is one of better GZDoom map packs. I've completed it few times, and enjoyed it. I rarely enjoy GZDoom wads, but this was good like most (not all) of the projects where Tormentor is involved in. And this is coming from a guy who's played Doom since 97.

>>6224971
Literally on the front page of zdoom forum's gameplay mod subforums. Quaker's Doom.
Also I imagine the low res filter or whatever is from Vanilla Essence.

>>6224985
thanks, is the hud thingy part of vanilla essence too?

>DUUUHRRHHH!!!
>AOOORHHHH???!
>MMNNNNNN!!!!!!!
>UUUUUUUUH????

>>6224987
The layout? No it seems to be part of Quaker's Doom.
But if you want a hud similar to that for other purposes, Fullscreen Statusbar Mod is your friend.

>>6224265
>Nameless Mod is pretty good and the bigger a Deus Ex fan you are the more you will enjoy it. Nihilum is good if you want something more serious and it is only around 10 hours.
I was thinking starting with Nameless Mod, I am a big DX1 fan, so I was thinking of starting with that. Alright, I'll go for it first, then either Nihilum or 2027.

>>6224428
You forgot Action Doom 2 where he was an old drunk Vietnam vet dad who finds his daughter has been kidnapped and has to beat the shit out of street punks to save her.

>>6224993
That was it, thanks again friendo

>>6224173
This is half the reason i cant get into the first few levels of Outcast, they're kinda generic and all you have is shitty blasters

>>6224918
Mods aren't beholden to anybodies idea of design or standard. We can all also ring off countless lists of buggy/hacky mods.
You're going to keep moving goalposts to justify your pissy elitism rather than admit you moan and grab the measuring tape every time someone mentions BD, like the fags you are.

Did that one anon ever finish his Iron Maiden wad? I think it was just gonna be a single map, but it kinda told a story. It flowed with the song if you didn't dawdle. I can't remember what song it was based off of, but the melody is in my head. This was 3 or 4 years ago, maybe. I liked it a lot. Surely someone knows what I'm talking about.

>>6225016
>Mods aren't beholden to anybodies idea of design or standard
sure, but there are always things that work, and things that don't
if someone "bitches and moans" here are 3.5 retards who come in every thread and ask "you hear about BD?" "What about BD" "What do you think about BD" "why do you hate BD so much guise?" "Whats with all the BD hate huh? Huh? Huh?"
As someone here put it - it's an MLP-tier faggotry, and the fact that it's Doom flavoured does not make it less annoying.
Your defensive response is pretty typical too.

>>6224918
>Strong monsters keep being strong, weak monsters remain relatively weak

"Strong" monsters have always been damage sponges for the most part, and "weak" monsters (zombies) have always been the biggest threats, outside of unique characters like spider masterminds or pain elementals.

That's not why BD sucks. BD sucks because even on the hardest difficulty it's easy as fuck and 50% of the game is poking around a corner in ADS and headshotting things. It's cool for half a playthrough and then never worth starting up again.

This is cool and I really like big wide open maps like this, but new weapon sounds always suck ass.

>>6223793
>also go look through the cacowards there's a lot of good shit in there as well
But torment and torture got cacoward too, you moron.

>>6224172
>tfw one of my friends keeps posting these dumb ebin isabelle Doomslayer crossovers
>tfw I clearly find it tiresome and stupid but at the same time he's having fun with it so I don't want to spoil his fun.
what do I do

>>6225072
Shitpost at him you idiot. My friend likes feet and has 3 or 4 screencaps from Disney movies he likes to post at least once a day. Whenever he does I just send back similar crap that I know he doesn't like.

Doom mods are awesome and terrible and trying to sort all them into canon sounds insane.

>>6224971
Just played this mod, it's way too unpolished and unfinished. Creator needs to add Ranger's sounds, remove the exaggerated screenshake and rebalance it for both versions.

>>6225072
Where exactly does he post them? If it's social media you can silence him.

>>6225031
That's pretty much it. I found BD to be a chore at times.
It's easier than classic Doom but also becomes relentless at times.
It's such an unbalanced experience and overall it became obnoxious mainly for those who said it was the standard way to play.

This has become less frequent nowadays.

>>6225035
What's this wad?

>>6225081
Where is this from?

>tfw you've preordered Doom Eternal on a whim.
Well, how much I am going to regret that within a month?

>See anons mentioning this Animal Crossing/Doom crossovers
>This meme started because a guy commissioned pics of Doomguy teaching cute characters how to shoot guns
>Later on this became a thing because both games come out the same day
>Never in my life I would've thought Twitter would make me despise Doom and dogs at the same time

I know everyone are just having fun but considering that's Twitter,it's mainly a clout-chasing trend as usual.
And I thought making a meme as forced and obnoxious like -oomers variants was impossible.

It's gonna be all fun and games when if both come out and turns out they suck

>>6225109
>Preorder
Here's your problem,you should never give this much trust to any game company nowadays.

>>6225113
Yeah, games back in the day NEVER came out fucked up or unfinished like they do now.

>>6225119
The difference is that back then you had the demos or shareware for a lot of games and it wasn't built on lies or shady practices like microtransactions bullshit.

>>6225097
Lost Civilization. I'm only on map 2 but I think it's pretty good so far. A lot of conveniently placed barrels, the wide open and vertical spaces make you push ahead for cover and pick your targets, and it's a decent challenge without throwing assloads of monsters at you. The environments are really pretty, if overly busy.

Map 1 is kind of tight ammo wise, but there's multiple same color key cards to let you skip areas, which is neat. There's one part where monsters seem to clip into view right in front of you out of nowhere and I'm not sure if that's a bug or intentional, but it only happened once.

desu I'd even call it 'cozy' or 'comfy,' at least so far.

>>6225113
But it promised me DOOM 64.
...no seriously. That was my tipping point. I've never played DOOM 64.

>>6225109
I don't know, maybe you play it and tell us later yourself?

>>6225131
Then go for Doom 64EX or Doom 64 Retribution.
Or Consolation Prize if you want to play it with mods.

>>6225119
games were also considerably easier to make back then

>>6225119
>>/v/

>>6225129
The wad gets me excited but maybe that's just because I'm so picky about what I play and cuz I haven't sat down and played Doom in a while. I really like how all the dudes that are sniping you from afar can technically be ignored until you go up the right path to get up close to them, and that also so far it's mostly been projectile guys. And, the few revenants I've found have been close enough to shotgun if I feel like it.

>>6225016
What is this?

>>6225119
>what is Daggerfall
>Big rigs came out in 2003
>lots of other examples I cant be arsed to look up

>>6225162
Arcane Dimensions

>>6225165
You know bringing up Big Rigs is being disingenuous, anon.

>>6225165
>>6225119
anon are you responding to yourself because people think you're retarded?

>>6225183
dude
if you wanna see a retard
look in the mirror

>>6225165
yes, that was exactly his point, congratulations

>>6225189
i'm on to you

>>6224905
Bump.

>>6224868
Duty Calls wad when?

whats this I keep hearing about brutal doom not being well liked here? something to do with seargentmkIV? enlighten me please.

>>6225229
You must be new here.

>>6225230
honestly yeah, I've played doom for a while but I haven't exactly contributed to the thread here much. I've browsed a little and asked a few questions, but thats about it.

>>6225229
>>6225029
>here are 3.5 retards who come in every thread and ask "you hear about BD?" "What about BD" "What do you think about BD" "why do you hate BD so much guise?" "Whats with all the BD hate huh? Huh? Huh?"
>As someone here put it - it's an MLP-tier faggotry, and the fact that it's Doom flavoured does not make it less annoying.

>>6225232
forgive me, I'm still new, I've only been playing doom for 2 years, I found the thread a few months ago, I don't exactly post often. Sorry if I brought something up that's been discussed so many times already. What's the TL;DR version so we can move on?

>>6225235
wait I'm dumb, you already explained why. Nevermind.

>h_phobia.wad
AT NIGHT I CAN'T SLEEP
I TOSS AND TURN
CANDLESTICKS IN THE DARK
VISIONS OF BODIES BEING BURNED

6'0 vs 5'11

Sandy...

>>6225243
The Fighter is Doomguy +1.

>>6225252
I guess he's supposed to be over 7 ft tall.
He's tall as an Ettin and almost like a Baron of Hell.
Doomguy is a manlet on the other hand,he's shorter than Ranger and BJ.

>>6225232
Its a fun palette cleanser. You just suck dicks

>>6224918
Literally everything you said is wrong. None of these bugs persists in the most recent version.

>>6225243
You're a big guy

>>6225273
Did you just made this on the spot?
That's impressive.

>>6225158
It gets better and better the more I play it. Seems almost like an adventure game than a typical Doom wad.

>>6225276
well somehow that screenie just inspired me

>>6225215
That is a fucking dirty ass BFG and I love it.

>>6225280
Neat.

>>6225282
What do you mean with dirty?

>>6225273
> perfect height

>>6225232
Not literally everyone who talks about some stupid fuckin overhaul mod you don't like is the same person.

>>6225279
dawg this wad is GOOD

>>6225284
It looks like a B-movie prop. A lot of its lines are way off angle, it looks slightly misshapen, and the slightly off center angle it's held at only exacerbates all of it. It looks more like a broken power tool than some kind of gun. It's like someone made a clay model, scanned it into the game, and never bothered to clean it up.

Like I said, it looks like a B-movie prop. And it's awesome because of it.

>Playing TNT
>gets bored after the first 5 maps
>Playing Hellbound
>Despite being a lenghty megawad I only got bored at the end.

Hellbound just feels far more interesting and engaging despite having some massive maps.

>>6225294
Ah I see,makes sense.
After all the original BFG is taken straight from a toy.

And a B-movie prop fits with classic Doom setting.

>>6225294
Oh yeah, another thing I couldn't quite figure out how to put into words at first: it's slightly rotated to the left. Like, counter clockwise. It's tilted to one side. This makes it look like the thing is a heavy piece of shit that takes effort to carry. It makes it look like it's heavy and hard to carry properly, so it's being slightly cradled.

>>6225298
I plan on playing Hellbound after Lost Civilization.

Also what the fuck are these things supposed to be

>>6225243
>>6225273
I've read enough doujins to know where this is going

I've only ever played one other wad with huge wide open areas like this so I can't stop shitting my pants at how cool it is

>>6225313
that small white/green blob way in the back is a fucking arachnotron sniping

that's cool, the whole game has been training me to deal with gay suppressive fire from imps and the hodd hellknight or caco and shit for the last 2 hours, and now there's one asshole 4 miles away doing it in spades

this wad is cool wtf

Am I allowed to crouch and jump in the Hellbound?

>>6225327
No,it's simple vanilla.

Do you think a Doom mod based on MDK could work?

>>6225327
Usually a wad will tell you if you can crouch or jump.

Doom with source ports is kinda funny like that. It's sorta like playing tag, you gotta follow the made up rules or else the game falls apart at times.

>>6225313
>>6225317
>lost civilizations
based.
I'm currently playing it with Hideous Destructor, the nonlinear nature goes well with it.

>>6225340
>nonlinear nature goes well with it.
That's one of the things I'm really liking about it so far. All of the secrets are actual hidden paths, rather than a door that has the same texture but slightly off color. And there's a lot of secrets. It still rewards you for being inquisitive but you don't have to hump walls. You just find some ledge off the side of a cliff and oh wow neat this leads somewhere. Get some rockets and maybe a key card, and then it loops back around to the main path. Or like, a couple bushes are hiding a small camp site with 3 or 4 packs of shells and a single medkit. And a lot of the secrets lead into other secrets, or bypass parts of the level.

A lot of the secrets would be totally lame if they were in vanilla, just from a power up perspective. A lot of them are just like a chaingun and some shells, but at least in the first two maps they're all amazing. Armor is kinda rare and it's only been green so far, and I would've had to retry the first map 5 or 6 times probably if I didn't find a couple hidden shells, a rocket launcher, or a green armor. And the knight on top of a soul sphere, throwing at you for half the level, is an amazing touch.

There's that soul sphere on a pedestal in a secret dark room early on in Ep1 in vanilla, but this takes it to another level. The vanilla secret just subtly taunts you with the soul sphere. This secret tells you to fuck off until you find the small path that leads up to the cunt guarding the blue ball that's been blue balling you for 15 minutes. You don't have the ammo to spare on gunning down a hell knight half a mile away when you first see him, but by the time you get up to him and find the secret you do. Killing him in the tight corridor and grabbing the soul sphere is really fucking satisfying.

the wad is GOOD WTF

>>6223726
Brutal Doom isn't an awful mod if it was treated as just another mod.

Cola, Lithium or Russian Overkill don't have a legion of clinically demented underage fans who claim that it's the definitive Doom experience up to 11.

It's also glitchy (because the code is a spaghetti mess), has low map compatibility, and it suffers from serious feature creep. Apparently Marky Mark is now slowly adding vehicles. Vehicles! There's maybe three WADs with maps big enough to even warrant vehicles, who gives a shit?

Speaking of, what is yall's opinion on that Vietnam mod that Mark is doing now? Vietdoom is what I think it's called, Icarus did a video on it.

It's Call of Duty in Vietnam, except unfair because there's no regenerating health or grenade indicators unlike real Call of Duty.

>>6225389
>vietnam doom

I can only imagine how fucking absolutely gay such a thing could be, especially when made by sgt mark

>>6225336
just to clarify, this made up rules stated only in readme files? i never read them, just extract .wad and then delete the folder where it was located

>>6225372
It's amazing how this wad draws you in and gets you into a sort of dark and dreary feeling, but then you can look up and see a crystal blue sky riding a lush, green mountain.

>>6225403
Like I said, it's basically Call of Duty. Except it pretends to be a simulator so you have a hunger bar and a thirst bar, but you can still tank several bullets.

Of course it looks like shit because Doom engine can't handle realistic forests, and plays like shit because Mark just places a bunch of hitscanners that snipe you from a distance.

Despite Icarus' typical distaste for histcanner heavy mods, and Mark doing it in the worst way possible, he has actually positive things to say about it, which I think is just bias.

>>6225405
>>6225336
>>6225327
Generally, modern wads will disable crouching and jumping if you aren't supposed to do that.

In old wads, you're not supposed to.

>>6225414
Except there are no hitscanners in VietDoom. All enemies fires projectiles and if you move constantly, nothing ever hits you. And you just have a hateboner for Mark so huge that you just makes up shit about his mods all the time.

>>6225420
The projectiles are way too fast to dodge and you're full of shit.

"Hitscanner" simply describes enemies with firearms whose attacks can't be simply avoided because they are too fast. Most modern games use fast projectiles for their hitscan attacks - it's difference in technology, but not in design.

Also "makes up shit about his mods all the time?" How the fuck do you know who I am on this anonymous board? It seems you're the one making shit up, about people you're responding to.

>>6225405
Well you should at least fucking glance at the readme, doofus. Or even at least read the descriptions, info, and comments from the page you downloaded it from.

The rules are "made up," per se, in the sense that modern source ports allow you to crouch and jump, but most WADs are designed around typical Doom movement - which means no crouching or jumping. That doesn't mean you can't run over gaps or rocket jump. It just means any button presses that lowers your character's height, or briefly bounces your character into the air, will probably break whatever WAD you're playing.

>>6225428
>The projectiles are way too fast to dodge and you're full of shit.

They are not. You can easily circlestrafe them infinitely if you are mere 10 feet away from them. Just play the goddamn mod before talking shit.

>>6225420
>Makes a detailed explanation regarding the mod.
You're full of shit,you have a hate boner.

Nice argument there.

>>6225389
That's the biggest issue.
Russian Overkill is held as a fantastic mod but they're aware it's just a mindless way to play the game.
The amount of glitches is indeed a nightmare.
And about the vehicles,he already added them but they play like crap.

About VietDoom I feel it's alright,nothing special,the enviroment is kinda bland but that's what happens when your battlefield is nothing but jungle.
It doesn't offer anything particularly engaging,you better play Rising Storm 2 instead.

>>6225414
>>6225420
>>6225428
>>6225430
Is this some autism argument based on the nature of bullet projectiles in BD?

In BD hitscanners don't actually hitscan; all zombies (and probably masterminds) fire very, very fast moving projectiles - but they're not hitscanners, and they can be dodged if you're strafing at least a few body lengths away.


>"Hitscanner" simply describes enemies with firearms whose attacks can't be simply avoided because they are too fast.

No, this is wrong. Not entirely, but it's not the full idea. A hitscan attack is instantaneous. The attack hits the target on the same frame the weapon is fired. There is no "it's too fast," or whatever. A hitscan attack either hits the target or it doesn't. Player movement has nothing to do with it. Zombies are hitscanners. Imps fire projectiles. Even if the projectile moved at a bajillion miles an hour, it still wouldn't be hitscan.

>>6225389
Brutal Doom is a prime example of why feature creep is bad. It was fine as a jokewad where everything explodes into red paste and you have a dedicated profanity button, but the guy hails it as his life work and will likely keep adding on to it even on his death bed.

>>6224989
This sort of thing was sorely missed from 2016 Doom. Same with the fleshy bits and fiery red skies. Mostly dust and rock in that Hell.

>>6225438
>Makes a detailed explanation regarding the mod.

The "detailed explanation" is worth shit if it's entirely of incorrect information. Anybody that actually played the mod knows that nothing that has been described is true.

*raises paw* I play Brutal Doom and Project Brutality more than any other wad with any map set. I find they're generally very balanced for absolutely anything.

>>6225438
>but that's what happens when your battlefield is nothing but jungle.

Is it really nothing but green, trees, and maybe brownish swamp? It would've been simple and fit in perfectly to add some underground tunnels, maybe a few caves, and a handful of implied military stations.

>>6225450
[mumble raps at you]

>>6225450
>*raises paw*

>>6223665
WRATH: Aeon of Ruin - Content Update #1 Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNkcAWN6LOA&feature=emb_title

>>6225428
>"Hitscanner" simply describes enemies with firearms whose attacks can't be simply avoided because they are too fast. Most modern games use fast projectiles for their hitscan attacks - it's difference in technology, but not in design.

Did your parents drop you headfirst into the ground when you were a baby?

>>6225458
That is pretty boring.

>>6225454
To be desu if Chocolate Doom were compatible with more mappacks then I'd play that more often.

>>6225445
Feature creep is the only reason why BD is noteworthy. Yeah it turns Doom into 2.5D CoD with a gore mod, but that's why it's worth mentioning. I honestly liked it and the megawad it came with, even if mostly all I did was corner peak ADS with the M16. It felt good to head shot things and see the top of their skull fly off, even if they were a hell knight or some shit.

I played BD once over the course of a week, and I'll never forget it. The sounds and screen shake were cool. It was cinematic, like a stereotypical CoD game, but it never took control away from me. I felt like a hardened, traumatized soldier, pie cutting the shit out of zombies, imps, and all the other faggots.

Dual wielding M16s, a dedicated button that says "fuck you" or whatever, and other stuff really ruin the immersion, but they were also kinda funny for a few seconds. And honestly I'm pretty sure I remember dual m16s being really useful at certain points. Though that's not why I played BD. I played it to be a traumatized generic desperado that will end up dead after one or two wrong moves.

I don't give a shit, I think BD on Realistic and pie cutting with the m16 and headshotting a barron 6 or 7 times, it dying, me reloading because I'm a traumatized gamer faggot, and then throwing 3 grenades into a room because I just remembered I had them, is cool and satisfying. I'm gonna download BD again. And it's your fault for getting me talking about it.
The map where like 20 generic UAC marines charge a huge demon emplacement with cyberdemons and mancubi and cacodemons and shit while all they got is a couple tanks and a buncha guns and lead is kino. And the girl marines are hot. I don't care.

Any NRFTL style wads?

>>6225458
Looks the same as the first 2 levels.

>>6225464
Yeah I agree. I think Ppayed the old map pack is there a new one?

>>6225464
Absolutely based.

>>6225464
I don't think It's a bad mod either,as other anons said,if the mod wasn't held as a standard to play Doom so badly it wouldn't recieve all this hate,among other obvious things of course.

>>6225469
It's almost as if they're thematically linked.

>>6225482
You can carry on a theme while not remaking a map 1:1.

>>6225461
Well, they are trying to make a literal Quake clone in every aspect.
So I guess that's the developer's intention?

>>6225485
But they're not remakes of each other.

>>6225489
It plays well. But I feel it's lacking something.

>>6225491
They look like it.

>>6225495
But they aren't. Maybe try the thing before saying they're the same.

>>6225497
How about give me a gog link for the update. I'm not spending $20 on a 3-level demo.
The best I have to go off of is a 45-second trailer, and the architecture and textures look exactly the same as the first two levels.

>>6225428
>Most modern games use fast projectiles for their hitscan attacks - it's difference in technology, but not in design.

No they don't. Plus, simulating physical projectiles is so heavy, especially in multiplayer titles where it can make hit detection unreliable, that it's only ever used when necessary. Using physical projectiles over raycasting is going to be a design-based decision 100% of the time because there's no reason to do it otherwise. So your dumbfuck pedantry is wrong on both counts.

>>6225464
I have downloaded BD again and after my initial hard on of shooting an imp and seeing it clutch its gushing throat, I died immediately because a fireball collided with the conveniently placed barrels behind me.

That is gay and not cool and I'm a little asshurt, mostly because this stupid fucking WAD doesn't work with ZDL and I have to resort to an old folder that I don't even know what dark magic I prepared to make it work. So me spending 15 minutes fucking with this shit just to have to go "ok fine" and use the 2 year old pre set up folder to play, and then gay nigger imp shit happens, kinda butthurt.

>>6225507
Armageddon is short but fucking sweet. I should play the regular campaign in it to see if it has some sleazy shit he put in.

When and how often do you save scum. When is it acceptable and when is it not? Trying to set rules for myself.

Quake is the most overrated 90s FPS.
>bulletsponge enemies.
>horrible guns.
>boring drone music made by some popular emo.
>horrible level design, often with maps made up of literally 3 or 4 textures.
>nothing that even remotely resembles something like a plot, a cohesive theme, or artistic direction.
>THE worst ending of any game ever made.

Honest question, why do you people jerk off to it all the time? Are you this blind to nostalgia? Is it because you played it as a kid during a time when you didn't had to work and your parents weren't divorced yet, and it brings you good memories?

>>6225512
I save before and after every fight, fuck muh hardcore gamer cred, most megawad maps are like one hour plus long and full of gotcha sudden slaughterfests every time you press a button or get a key, I'm not gonna replay the whole shit over and over until I can get a perfect run. down

>>6225506
Sounds like BD is the least of your problems

>>6225512
I only save on level start and disabled all auto-saves. It really feels like cheating since I started playing Stalker about 10 years ago.
Sometimes when I didn't play a wad for a long time I just restart the damn thing all over and kinda only pistol start to give it spice.

>>6225506
What I have been reduced to. Perhaps because I am simply too stupid and dumb to properly majestic the newest version of BD into machination. I have to settle for s 5 year old version that was prepacked by some other sorry soul, and labeled "THIS ONE, YOU FUCKING IDIOT, CLICK ON THIS ONE AND YOU CAN PLAY" and yet it is still the same version I played years ago, whose memories I now recollect. Even in my nostalgia, the beast is years old, and now before me it is almost ancient. I would ask for newer, yet that which is too young simply sizzles and shudders in the grasps of my preferred launcher, utterly useless. This damnable BEE DEE and the accursed MARK. I will have my payback, one day.

>>6225513

>>6225512
I tend to save at keycards/really obvious progression gates like puzzles or switches if the .wad has longer levels than the original games.

>>6225512
It's called "save ****SCUM****" for a reason, retard. It's purely up to you to decide when it's scummy or not.

>Tired, wanna do something else?
>Died a few times on the next encounter, don't wanna drudge up to it?
>Dodged a certain projectile?

who cares

>>6225512
I used to never save and suffer for it on long maps, but now I almost don't think about manual saving anymore, all thanks to some anon that recommended Autoautosave for me. I set it to save on weapon, powerup and key pickups, boss death, and 100% enemies/secrets found. It's comfortable.

>>6225272
>None of these bugs persists in the most recent version
they do
It's easy to test
Plutonia 2, map 28, BFG room with 2 columns.
Encounter is triggered when you approach the BFG platform, column enclosures open up, revealing 2 cybies.
With BD those cybies spawn on top of the columns, attacking you right as you enter the room.
That's because their radius is different from vanilla.
Same shit makes several monsters teleport outside of map in Ancient Aliens and some other map sets
Script bug makes several Scythe 2 levels have ~20% chance of autofinishing in 30 seconds because Voodoodoll responsible for exit trigger bypasses the blocker line somehow
Cybie and mastermind (and mancubus too now that I looked at it) steps are still explosive - picrelated) - and cause infighting when the grouping is tight.
Sound propagation is still borked somehow so monsters can awaken when they shouldn't

all that shit is still there, and nobody can get arsed to fix it because it would require to rewrite whole thing from ground up.

>>6225513
Play a NIN album while playing Quake instead of the stock NIN sound track and the game has much better ambiance. It actually pushes you to fight, and get mad, and be aggressive.

>>6225512
I save a lot before anything that seems hard as fuck but 99% of the time I find it wasn't really necessary

>>6225523
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>>6225112
It's still less shit than Hazbin crossovers
That felt like a forced marketing campaign for a flesh series that you wouldn't otherwise even know it exists

>>6224569
Maps by Lainos.

>>6225094
That's why the best way to play is with vanilla monsters enabled and reloading disabled, it takes away the bullshit AI and makes the game way more enjoyable although pretty easy

>>6223963
Because why make the higher tier monsters easier?

>>6225031
>"Strong" monsters have always been damage sponges for the most part
That always depends on application. The Cyberdemon isn't a particularly worthwhile threat in E2M8, but that doesn't mean the Cyberdemon can't be a problem for the player.

>>6225512
I save after 50 kills.

look it's cool

WHEN I GET IT TO FUCKING WORK on a 5 year old premade folder

I get to roleplay as a PTSD soldier giving commands to squaddies that aren't there while I cut the pie in ADS around corners and fill extremely dangerous and lethal demons full of lead. It's good and I like the music and reloading and the animations.

>>6225513

All that newness in this thread suddenly talking about BD and all that garbage that been chewed to death for years. Is it summer already?

>>6225563
i really like Hell on Earth

>>6223741
how did you even reach the later levels? the beginning was so damn boring.

>>6225330
I don't think anyone reverse engineered MDK game files, have fun

>>6225571
All i did was bring up that i grabbed BD after downloading GZDoom a thread ago and asked for Wad suggestions (not necessarily to use BD on) and now theres one maybe two autists going postal over it.

i decide to try exhumed/powerslave but for some reason i cant find the BOOK.MOV file that i need. i downloaded the file from op and another website and both dont have them.
I want to try this game it seems fun.

The stronger demons going into "help I'm fucked up and dying" states is also a really, really good addition. Pinkies losing arms and running at you. It's cool. I'm pretty sure Cacos get half their upper skull/body blown off and sorta just float there, waiting to die. Hell Knights I think lose an arm and clutch their bloody stump writhing in agony. It's a PTSD-filled war for both sides of the fight. It's cool.

>>6225529
>Implying I knew there was a Plutonia 2
Keep seething while I enjoy Doom.

I came in this thread to say fuck map 27 of JPCP.wad
and because of that how do I load the next map on crispydoom, ` doesn't open the console and I don't know what else to do
there were some bullshit sections in previous maps, but this whole map is bullshit

>>6225587
A man after my own heart. Enjoys Doom how he wants.

>>6225587
Brutal Doom is kinda lame but I really did enjoy the hell on earth map pack

>>6225587
i like it when they infight and the barons rip the demons in half and just pose with it for a second

>>6225127
It wasn't entirely unknown to frontload your best effort in the shareware part and then just phone it in for the full game.

Some will argue this was the case for Doom, Duke Nukem 3D, Blood, Quake, etc, all Shareware FPS, but those people are wrong and we should hit them with rocks until they stop saying that.

>>6225593
Don't get me wrong, I'm the guy that was jizzing over Lost Civilization a while ago. I just really appreciate all the tacticool and gore porn BD throws at me. I love Doom and wouldn't trade it for anything, but BD could've been a competitor title with different graphics but the same stupid bullshit that was released a year or two later, and it would've sold like hotcakes. It would've been the CoD4 to Halo 3.

Granted, I'm playing it on realism mode, and I'm playing on a version that's like 5 years old. But at the same time an imp dies to two bullets. A single shotgun blast murders anything weaker than a pinky and cripples a pinky at medium to short range.

It literally is the CoD of Doom, but that's why it's cool. A single imp fireball fucks me up, and I'm pretty sure a hell noble can knock me from 100/100 to 30/50 easily. It's been so long since I last played, but I know me running into a noble green ball will ruin my life.

But I get to be a tacticool airsoft nerd that pops around a corner and blind fires just in case, get rewarded with a couple zombies and imps dying and screaming in agony, and then I can step back and reload. Or maybe instead of stepping back, I twitch to 1 or 2 other targets, and maybe my aim is dead on, or maybe I only hit them cuz of spread and recoil, or maybe I just miss. Then I pop back into cover.

And my second reward for all of this is hearing the stupid "click clack clck" of the magazine bouncing around. And of course, a bunch of hellion faggots dying in agony, or screaming in anger.

Like I said at the beginning of this autistic ramble, I'd never trade Doom for anything. But I don't quite get the same visceral "yeah you dumb faggot die" feeling that BD provides. Blood splatters on the walls in way too high of a resolution to properly meld with unfiltered Doom, and it splatters on my face screen, and an imp is hugging his disemboweled guts and howling the repeated "AUNGH AUNGH AUNGH" imp pain noise that they make.

>>6225587
I think there is something to be said about gun feedback and good pixel wizardry.

>>6225327
You aren't supposed to, but who's gonna stop you?
Use your own judgment and avoid sequence breaking, that's what I do.

>>6225635
Contrarians never want to admit BD was highly responsible of the recent Doom "revival". If you want to call it that.
Great wads have been made over time but BD certainly made a mark on norms.
And I am no fan of the recent game doom 2016, but its where we are now.

>>6225513

>>6225595
HoE is kinda all I remember, at least now that I'm playing it again. It's all flooding back to me as I go to the next levels. E1M1, I remember the locker room, the dumb elevator room that leads to the exit that's basically a copy of the original E1M1, but also leads to the landing zone with extra ammo (that I missed this time and only remembered after I was on the next level), E1M2's stupid conveyor belt of barrels with a couple ammo and health pickups, and large toxic waste areas. With a fucking spot that looks like it leads somewhere but doesn't so you jump in and run around a corner and just melt. Actual bullshit, stupid and gay, but maybe it's a "ha-ha fuck you gamer" moment cuz I'm so trained to spot shit like that.

Past Hell on Earth, all I remember of the late game BD is the giant UAC offensive against the demon strong hold, where there's like 20 other marines meandering about and shooting. I'm pretty sure a lot of them have different weapons, and I think I remember thinking "hey, that's pretty neat, she's got a plasma."

Either way, the low bit rate long haired brunette marine lady is hot. I will never change my mind, until some gay mod for Doom 3 or 2016 or Eternal comes out that tries to model her and totally fucks it up.

>>6225597
I don't remember this at all, so I'm gonna try to make it happen when I start seeing nobles.


>>6225647
The pixelated, but-high res guns, the classic doom monster sprites and wall textures, the glowing lighting affects of waters and helmets and overhead lights, and the 2000 era muzzle flash, tracer shots, and bullet impacts, all clash together perfectly. I missed it when I took the screenshot and I'm not gonna eat another hitscan for the effect, but the cracked screen bullet holes when you get hit by hitscanners are also really cool.


Also, the music is good. It's edgy highschool numetal and it fits perfectly for what BD is trying to do.

>>6225581
That's exactly the problem with that crap.

> i'm not here to troll
> but i will purposefully only post about shit i know annoys people

unplug your keyboard and mouse

>>6225661
As much as I'm gushing over BD because, for me, it's a huge breath of fresh air to a game that without it, is only really ever renewed by unique map styles (like the given, or Lost Civilizations, or a couple others I can't remember atm), I'm pretty sure BD had a huge influence in the development of 2016 and now Eternal, and I sort of don't like it.

It seems too stereotyped to me. It's nothing but huge thumping bass, cinematic monster reveals, and QTE murders of previously revealed monsters. I mean, even BD lets me just see a newly introduced monster and go "oh shit" and then just corner peak the shit out of it until its head explodes.

I think nuDoom should've been modeled more heavily on vanilla, and allowed mods to take it naturally to the "FUCK YEAH MOUNTAIN DORITOS QUICKSCOPE BLOOOOOOOOOOD" shit that BD is kinda going for.

It's hard to dial a game back, but it's easy to kick it up a couple notches, if you know what I mean. 2016 "badass rip n tear uuuurghhh" shit is gonna be the standard for Doom for the next 10 years. In comparison, any mod that tries to tone it down and make it feel more like Doom, with a heavy emphasis on exploration and more thoughtful encounters and surprises, is going to seem like a step back to anyone whose first experience is 2016/Eternal.

Maybe Eternal will assuage some of my autism cuz it seemed like there's a bit more key hunting and labyrinthine levels this time. whatever I don't care. I'll play it anyway cuz I'm a fucking retard that likes CoD Doom

>>6225428
>"Hitscanner" simply describes enemies with firearms whose attacks can't be simply avoided because they are too fast.
No, they don't. Hitscan specifically means it scans for if it's a hit or not, and whether or not it's dodgeable depends on the design of the game, in Duke Nukem 3D you can strafe outta the way for pig cops and they will keep missing you with their hitscan attack.

I'm gonna say the BD word

door jammed
won't close

DOOR STUCK
DOOR STUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

B

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I

the fuckin shotgunners go into last stand. I completely forgot about this, it was a brand new surprise for me when it happened.

He clutches his neck, repeats the "I'm a shotgunner and I'm dying rn" sound effect, and then half a second later pulls out a pistol and starts shooting you. It's bullshit and it's cool.

>>6224428
Doom Eternal confirms that there are alternate Doomguys.

>>6225512
Ball's in your court. Do whatever the fuck you want, no one is gonna stop you. This is Doom.

I ate an imp fireball that did like 60/70 dmg just to take a screenshot that I'm not even gonna post right now.

>>6225584
anyone?

>>6225635
Call of Doom is actually pretty fun
you can load nuclear shells on the grenade launcher

>>6225742
You don't need to post at all.

>>6225512
I save often in case the game crashes or something, but most of the time I stop playing if I die, and continue from the save another time.

>>6225760
Enhance your calm.

>>6223664
Duke 3D or Blood but with an overall Fallout 1 or Fallout 2 theme?

I want to play Sigil with PrBoom+ but it's giving me texture errors. Please help.

>>6225512
the manual says ti save often so that's what I do.

He's just standing there....

>>6225787
MENACINGLY

>>6225787

>>6225661
>BD certainly made a mark on norms.
And nothing good came of that.

Sometimes i wonder what Doom could have been like if it was as big of a franchise as Resident Evil or Castlevania for example
Things like song "remixes", level remakes, HD models, additional content to the core gameplay, level remakes and other stuff we normally see in mods or Realm667 could have happened
But at the same time, we probably wouldn't have the same level of user made content or even the source ports we got now
And games like Heretic or Quake would have been part of the Doom brand, even in a Quake 2 scenario of still being different themes
In some way, it's no wonder some people associate fan content with Doom that much
It's as if fans were the ones to expand the series, at least the classic portion of it

>>6225787
ON THE EDGE

I have no original, mechanical criticism to make of Brutal Doom that hasn't already been said, but I will say this -

The kind of people that BD seems to attract (at least from what I've seen on Tw*tch) tends to be always the same - guys with anger issues that get mad at the slightest inconvenience or roadblock. Guys that will call it "the best mod ever" and then when asked if they've tried any other mods, they'll go "No I haven't, but I still say it's the best mod ever". Guys that will think they're playing Doom "the way it was meant to be". Guys that have texture filtering on. It just goes on and on. Bonus points if they're white and have the school shooter look. Just the kinda people you wouldn't want to approach.

All opinions about Brutal Doom aside, I can say that it's voice actor for doomguy has wormed it's way to my subconcious.

>>6224730
>>6224745
nah

neat.jpg

Anyone who doesnt treat BD like the joke mod it is is just retarded. Anyone who claims its the way doom should be is even more retarded. When i load it up I treat it as if im plying the Doom comic. Almost satirical towards anyone back in the 90's who claimed Doom was too violent. Its silly, over the top, and fun and should be treated as such, not as some sort of 'definitive' version.

>>6225859
I MUST OUTGAINS THE DEMONS

>>6225591
type idclev## during gameplay

I like to play Brutal Doom as the action hero instead of a shellshocked marine - that's what HDest is for. Just load up Project Brutality and wreck some shit to let off some steam.

>>6225859
>>6225882
FLEX

MUSCLES TIGHT

>>6224428
I prefer the idea of the "doom modiverse"

Sorry for the question but I would like to make a HUD.
Are there any particular sizes and programs I should consider before doing it?

What are the top10 Duke Nukem 3D maps?

>>6225896
I GOTTA MAKE THEM SCREAM
SCREAM TONIGHT

>>6225902
Episode three: Shrapnel City

>>6225827
fascinating stuff man, thank you for sharing, pseudo-psychological analysis of random faggots on twitch is really what this thread needed

>>6225902
Hollywood Holocaust
Dark Side
Freeway
Duke Burger
Mirage Barrage

>>6225909
No problem anon, gotcha covered

>>6225875
That's just it though, while you think it's a joke mod, the author and most of its audience don't see it as a joke, they unironically think it's being played straight.

>>6224816
Disgusting

>>6225869
>their arms still thrash around

>>6225848
WHO’S A MAN AND A HALF?

>>6225910
>duke burger

What are some good retro-FPS youtubers?

>>6224730
>2 Doomguys
>2 Doom Marines
>1 Doom Slayer

Nice and crispy.

>>6225928
Yes.