/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6214805
Ecco the Dolphin: Defender of the Future ... (Dreamcast) 60fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1rRTkyfrfA

soothing

>>6214805
Kino

I'm ashamed to admit the Sega CD games spend more time in my CD players than in my Sega CD.

>>6214805
I'm actually getting an Intellivision Amico just for Ecco 3 and Earthworm Jim 3.

>>6216215
>look it up
>it's true
wtf.
Ecco is kino, Sega CD version a best (bc more levels and comfy-ass dolphin FMV)

I was too young and simple to ever appreciate this game, but man that title theme is something else.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=GLk04DibLWs

>>6214849
>the music

>>6214805
I've seriously considered getting a Genesis just for this game.

>>6214849
I had the PS2 version of this. What were some of the key differences between the DC and PS2?

Whatever came out of that legal case with the creator and sega a couple years ago

I think we can all agree the cartridge game has the better soundtrack.

>>6214805
Kolibri greater than Ecco
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ds5klrkqvCg

>>6214805
What a fucking cool game.

>>6218725
No we can't. CD soundtrack is best.

>>6215950
Why don’t you just rip and burn them you ape

>>6218856
Why? The CDs are already in the car. If they weren't there, they'd just be sitting on a shelf.

>>6218725
>>6218821
Yes, yes, the Genesis and Sega CD OSTs are very good, very good.

HOWEVER

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTfSG6wVpNc

>>6218821
I don't agree with that at all. The CD music is nice for what it is but the Genesis tracks fit the game much, much better.

>>6219103

>>6219105

Yeah, its like the Genesis composer composed the tracks knowing what every level was about.
while Spencer Nilsen composed the CD tracks with the idea of "omg new age dolphin way of thinking maaaaaaaan" in his mind.
the CD tracks are amazing and all, but the cart tracks help tell the story of Ecco.
CD music is just.. filler to keep the game from being quiet.

>>6219307

And to further my views on this, I present you the Jurassic Beach music of both the cart and CD game.

So the story is that Ecco finds the Asterite and it tells him that its missing one of its globes, and without it it can't help Ecco.
So it tells Ecco to go back into the past and find it, so Ecco travels to the forgotten sunken Atlantean city and locates the time travel device.
After singing to it Ecco gets send back 65 million years into the past, an ocean much scarier and dangerous than the one he's used to.

and what kinda music do we get when Ecco arrives in the past?

https://youtu.be/J4VsWRGOSeI
Scary music, Ecco's clearly out of his element and the music warns you that this is a very different world.

https://youtu.be/yWAyVHbQBE8
New age meditation music that Spencer Nilsen probably had laying around,
totally does not evoke any sense of fear or even a Jurassic feel.

>>6214805
>Suddenly great winds of water...

>>6219295
Clean your ears, you won't be able to listen to music like that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htI-TNQhg44

>>6219307
>>6219316
The ethereal aspect of the Spencer soundtrack still gives it a somewhat scary aspect, even if it's comfy at the same time.
I also thought the music for the final level was more fitting on the CD version, but really, it's good that both soundtracks exist, because both are great.

>>6219564
>I also thought the music for the final level was more fitting on the CD version

Wouldn't say more fitting, but it certainly doesn't feel wrong for the setting.
they both convey a sense of alien dread, though the cart version imo sounds way spookier. but also to the point of ear grating. something the cd track doesn't do.

Also, the CD music keeps playing in that level. even when you reach the final boss.
while in the cart version you get a different track, signaling to the player that you're in a new area with new rules.

In the end it all boils to one thing imo, the actual ending scene.
in the CD version you just don't get that sense of "I DID IT!!!!"
CD version.
https://youtu.be/PCPIJy0Rjiw?t=6086

Cart version.
https://youtu.be/It_eOIPgCdE?t=4566

>>6219307
>>6219316
I agree with this a lot. Ecco is one of if not my favorite 16 bit game and a solid part of that is the music. Though I like the CD version's soundtrack also, I don't think it fits the game nearly as well. The original feels like it was made to go along with the game, Spencer's music sounds like what someone would make if they were told it was a game about playing a dolphin but didn't know much besides that.

>>6219564
I still like the Genesis better for the last level, but really we all know there's only one piece of music that truly fits, they just couldn't use it.

>>6219837
> there's only one piece of music that truly fits
I've had dreams about that song being used in a reveal trailer for a new Ecco. It would fit so damn well

WELCOME TO THE MACHINE

>>6218559

unironically feels like pic related

>>6219837
>The original feels like it was made to go along with the game
Because it was.

Is ecco the most atmospheric genesis game?

>>6222096
>the one game that's almost all underwater
>most atmospheric

really? but yes.

>>6216215

Big Blue is not technically Ecco 3. But same old and crazy Ed Annunziata. And Nilsen as composer. And even Laszlo Szenttornyai as art director. Their Kickstarter failed back in 2013.

>>6214849
I didn't even bother with Ecco past his origins... I'm regretting this now, this seems like the natural evolution of the game

>>6214805
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk72RMv9d0s

>>6219924
>>6220593
If you've never played the welcome to the machine level while listening to it, you should. >>6220682

>>6224525
>Annunziata explains that he played Pink Floyd songs to the developers to demonstrate what he wanted out of the soundtrack
>Names the semi-last level after one of the band's major songs as a shout-out
>Nilson misses the point and just makes generic ocean ambiance for the CD version instead

I loved Ecco and name it at one of my fascination with Xenomorphs.

>>6224567
I really enjoy Nilsen's soundtrack even though it's so different.

>>6224621
It's nice music it just doesn't match the game very well.

The Vents

https://youtu.be/DaoshZkavwY
Cart.

https://youtu.be/upJ_1Q1WJy0
CD.

The CD music is so gorgeous, but it just doesn't fit the game..

>>6219103
i was expecting something a little different but i do like the gg music
https://youtu.be/-gACxzskLjo

>all these plebs ITT dissing based Spencer Nilsen-sama's genius work

>>6225448

We're not dissing him at all, we're just saying that while its amazing music it just doesn't suit the levels of the game.
but you know that, you just wanted to sound tough for a bit.

>>6225486
It matches, you just have to think out of the box, or in this case, the fish tank.

>>6225496
It really doesn't. Certainly not like the original soundtrack.

>ctrl F “dolphin sex”
>0 results
How can you guys call this a proper Ecco thread without acknowledging the true life story of science, friendship, and dolphin handjobs that helped inspire it? For those unaware:

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/exmjpz/the-ketamine-secrets-of-segas-ecco-the-dolphin-347

You’re welcome.

>>6214849
What the fuck, the music is so good

>>6214849
Nah man you need this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtS_QBWX6cY

>>6227597
The game is pretty darn good too.

>>6218821
literal retard, cd soundtrack is unbelievably generic

>>6229147
Sega CD is like that in general. If its Western, its generic new age or butt-rock. If its Japanese, its a shit mix with 0 bass. Its not a specifically Sega CD thing, though, its a "CD Remix" thing.

>>6214805
Reminder that Dolphins are rapists.

>>6225486
>We're not dissing him at all
zoomers ITT are dissing him, though.

>>6231061
It's very possible some young people in the thread also prefer the Genesis music, but I'm one of the more vocal ones >>6219837 agreeing that his music is decent but kind of generic and doesn't fit the game and I'm no spring chicken. Also you should probably stop obsessing about 'zoomers' so much. Accusing everyone you dislike or disagree with as some amorphous other doesn't promote conversation at all. So people disagree with you? Grow the fuck up about it. And doubly it's good we have young people here interested in classic games.

>>6231089
nah fuck zoomers.
the original game's OST is great, I just think Spencer's OST isn't generic (whatever that means, such a vague critique) and it does fit the game splendidly.
CD welcome to the machine > Gen one.

>>6231102
Well I guess we disagree on all counts. Generic as in it doesn't fit the game and atmosphere as well as the original tracks. It sounds like just decent new age music, generic as opposed to specifically music that fits Ecco itself.

>>6231102
generic as in it sounds like a dillion other underwater OSTs

>>6229173
like all minorities dolphins have free will. it's not impossible that ecco and trellia have never raped anyone because they're ethical dolphins.
that said ecco is far more likely to be a rapist as he's a primitive dolphin from the past.

>>6215823
Ketamine

>>6231380
>matriarchal society of bonobo females rape everyone
That's beautiful and brave
>dolphins male have a little too much fun
Boo males bad.

>>6231398
anon he's literally a prehistoric dolphin

What's all this talk about Ecco being prehistoric? he was born in the 90s. he only traveled to the past.

>>6231458
No he's not. A big chunk of the game is going through the ruins of Atlantis to be able to travel back to prehistory. Maybe try actually playing the game and not just shitting up the board with your creepy rape fantasies.

>>6231752
>>6231750
>the game
>not playing the second game where a dolphin from the future goes back into the prehistoric dolphin past to understand he's literally a prehistoric dolphin
>n-no i did i j-just told you what i read on wiki
sorry dude the time cop dolphin trellia tracks his ass down as the point of origin of the alien invasion that fucked up her timeline and he's literally an unevolved cave dolphin from before they could fly and had telekinesis
sorry dude that's just how it is bro
>>6231750

>>6231750
>>6231752
Dolphins likely have no history and exhibit only rudimentary philosophy("ecco, if we breathe air, why do we live beneath the waves?") in Ecco's time. They clearly have no written language. There being time before his doesn't preclude his time being prehistoric.

>>6231756
That's because Ecco 2 is far in the future. You're a crappy troll.

What a prehistoric setting!!

>>6231771
>>6231774
do you think prehistoric means mesozoic? it means before recorded history, almost invariably before written language. ecco's tribe displays no passed down history, and trellia is an evolved form of dolphin that literally has recorded history. he's prehistoric.

>>6231778
0/10

>>6231780
>Definition of prehistoric
>1 : of, relating to, or existing in times antedating written history
>2 : of or relating to a language in a period of its development from which contemporary records of its sounds and forms have not been preserved
>3 : regarded as being outdated or outmoded prehistoric attitudes

>>6231780
anon i was comparing a dolphin from so far into the future they can fly and have telekinetic abilities to a dolphin that's just a dolphin.
>>6231380
>ecco and trellia
>that said ecco is far more likely to be a rapist as he's a primitive dolphin from the past
why you are so upset about your poor grasp on dolphin lore is beyond me

>>6231790
>>6231798
The future dolphins don't have writing either. Even if they did your reasoning is still retarded and just to deflect from your creepy rape obsessions. 0/10 I have better things to do.

>>6231815
They have history back to before they even evolved, you mongoloid. We don't have that. They're fucking dolphins. They're psychic. They evolved beyond the need for writing.
>creepy rape obsessions
someone mentioned it, dude, i'm sorry you got so super triggered

>>6231815
is this zoom

Can you guys stop arguing about semantics for a second and tell me which of these games to play first?

>>6231831
the first one you dingus. then the second.

>>6231831
>>6231834
don't use a guide. you're at least as smart as a dolphin, right?

>>6231826
I'm pushing 50 you creepy child. Fuck this place sucks these days.

>>6231841
check the double meme arrows all the way back(one single post) next time, i just made a joke comparing dolphins to negroes and dropped dolphin lore on your wrinkly ass

>>6231849
Yeah you're a shitty troll. Congrats on making the board that little bit worse. Slow clap for you.

>>6231854
Please stop shitting up ecco general unironically, thank you.
>>6231398

>>6214805
this was my first ever video game

>>6231771
>>6231774
>>6231780
>>6231815
>>6231841
>>6231854

>>6231304
>>6231368
>generic
Nice critique guys, you should start a music critic career. I'm sure people would trust your opinions.

>>6232256
It's a little funny that you don't find that criticism to be enough even after why the term generic was used. Spencer's soundtrack isn't bad, but it's typical of the genre of harmonic "new age" style music and although it's not totally incongruous with Ecco, it also doesn't suit it as well as the original or set anywhere near the same kind of tone. Hence generic. Not awful, not shit, but it sounds like music you'd hear walking into a fancy candle store. The Genesis soundtrack fits that specific game far better.

>>6214805
>.
Put a minimal amount of effort into your OPs, you /v/edditor sack of shit.

>>6232256
>CHECK ME OUT GUYS I'M DIFFERENT
nobody fucking cares snowflake you can have your bad opinion and it won't change our correct ones

>>6214805
I still can't fucking believe the ending of the game is aliens. I was a ADD brainlet child who never go to the end, so I just assumed you fought a gay octopus or something.

20 years later, nope. Aliens!

>>6218481
[mystical underwater braps jazz]

>>6233113
You find out about the aliens midway through. You probably never made it past the first couple levels.

>>6233727

Yeah you find out pretty early, he probably never got past the octopus who demands you take it slow for a couple seconds.

>>6233021
>correct
lol
by the way just in case, I was joking, you guys shouldn't be music critics.

>>6232953
Both soundtracks fit, that's the thing.
You're probably just conditioned into thinking the Genesis one is the only one that "fits", but that's a subjective point of view, which is respectable, but that doesn't make Spencer's music "generic".

>>6234182
Well I disagree very strongly. I don't think Spencer's fits anywhere near as well. Which isn't to say you can't prefer it. However the note about his music being generic is correct whether you prefer it or not.

>>6234205
There's no argument to call it generic, all you can come up with is "uuuh new age?" which isn't an argument.

>>6234212
It's plenty. His soundtrack sounds similar to lots of other music in addition to not setting the same kind of atmospheric tone as the original version does. Generic isn't so much a criticism as it is a description. Again it's not that it's bad, it's just not as specific to the game.

>>6234180
thanks for the advice fantano

>>6229173
I don't think it's rape if it's a natural part of the reproduction process for Dolphins. They can't ask for permission.

>>6216215
Oh shit

I might need that console just for big blue

>>6218725
>>6218821
What if i love both osts

>>6235675
That's fine, bro, I respect your love for both things on the ground that you didn't say the CD soundtrack was objectively equivalent or greater.
It's just obviously not true. Subjectively, sure, someone just likes the cd soundtrack or hates the genesis sound font.

>>6231878

Is the game gear version worth playing if i love ecco and the game gear?

>>6235681
I used to think it was better but after also playing trough the cart version i started to like both osts equally

Both excel.at different things and for some levels i prefer tbe cd ost while for others i prefer the cart one

ecco is good shit

>>6235692
would you eat pecan pie if you like pecans and you like pie?

>>6235681
>It's just obviously not true. Subjectively, sure
lmao who the fuck do you think you are to say who's right or wrong subjectively or objectively? fuck off

>>6235692
Don't play the Game Gear version of Tides of Time, though. That one is practically a testament to rush-job ports.

Love the music, aesthetics and themes of the game but to actually play it is a terrible infuriating experience, I get why did made it that way in 1992 but it doesn't change the fact that the game wastes way too much of your time with frustration.

>inb4 hurr get gud

>>6236214
Yeah, I always felt that the gameplay could be much better. When you're controlling Ecco for the first time on the first level, doing jumps over the water and stuff, it feels good, but then the rest of the game is spent in subaquatic labyrinths and there's when you notice the hitboxes aren't as polished as they could be, which is a common problem with western games.
>tfw no Ecco game directed by Ed, but programmed by japs

>>6236114
yes, i just wanted to know if it was any good

So how were these games' graphics made? I know they used paintings for inspiration but no way the actual spritework is entirely traditionally drawn pixel art - it's too noisy and overly dithered, uncannily realistic and looks nothing like other pixel art from its time.
Did they lower the res and color count from portions of real photos and then touched them up manually or what? That would explain how poorly animated a lot of things are despite looking phenomenal static. I'm genuinely interested on what their process was like, surely there's more to it than some talented artists placing every single pixel individually from scratch and I don't mean this as an attempt to discredit them, I absolutely adore the result and often find classic pixel art unnecessarily constrictive and love unconventional design methods.

>>6218559
>>6220637
>>6227684
Man I love the OST of this game so much, it's followed me around since I was a kid with a dreamcast

like all of the songs are pure gold (except for some shitty cutscene ones and a boss or two) and make me feel like no other vidya music can

Speaking of Pink Floyd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72J5FPCXSL4

>>6236249
You think it's poorly animated??

>>6236249
probably hand-drawn or rotoscoped, then encoded in genesis format. it's not that hard to program something like that

>>6236493
the dolphin is stellar, I said a lot of things, not everything. things like the pteranodon or those crabs are really jarring

>>6236518
IIRC the pteranodon is basically traced from some old dinosaur artwork, so that's a correct observation

>>6236518
>>6236590

>>6236595
so basically they had no idea how to animate it since they were literally stealing art directly? Was the painter officially credited at least or did they just admit to it after people caught on?

>>6236249
i heard some stories about the games development once

its was actually a young talented hungarian spriteartist that did a hell of a good job

>>6236698
I wouldnt give him that much credit >>6236595

>>6236115
>who are you to say people are right subjectively
It means your opinions are valid, you fat retard.
I don't say what's objectively better. You want objective measurements on that. I'm done telling you why you're wrong. You are, and I don't care. That other guy wants to explain to a swine the value of a pearl. I'm content to just say you're stupid.

>>6236249
>non-integer nearest neighbor scaling

>>6236214
sounds like someone's getting filtered because they can't think like a dolphin.
>>6236221
fair enough

>>6236764
He got the job done, and he got it done well. I don't give a fuck if he traced a dinosaur. The game looks phenomenal.

>>6236891
He didnt just trace a dinosaur, half the game is copied from zdenek burian's paintings, the other half is probably stolen from other obscure paintings or photos.

>>6236897
>stolen
That's just how you see it, bro, this is the same as plunderphonics. The results are considerably different, it's been transformed. He adapted the dinosaurs, and the paintings. Game looks fucking phenomenal.

>>6236914
>The results are considerably different
no, they are quite literally just copies rendered in lower quality. There's nothing wrong with using references and taking inspiration from other works as long as your craft is transformative, in this case it isnt. Take the pteranodon for example, yeah it looks gorgeous but only because its lifted straight up from burian's painting, when it came to the devs making it their own they did a piss poor job, without a reference to steal from for the flying animation all they did was an halfbaked mouth closing which looks retarded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vMRYkvR3ag

>>6236952
They're transferred to a completely different form of media. "tracing" is not the same as scanning something and then copying and pasting the jpg. Rendering something like that in such a limited medium IS transforming it into something that's readable in that medium. Then you animate it on top of it, which, weirdly, I'm noticing this dude's fucking paintings are not.
Are you so bought into your own opinion that you can post "side by sides" that are markedly different(tentacle geometry, location of eye in relation to shell obviously hand interpreted) as evidence that it's traced?
Do any of these 3 right here really sell you? The onahole with too few tentacles coming out at a slightly different angle and being truncated by like 7% or more at the base, the snail without a tube, with a lumpy shell, being a totally different body shape(it's a snail! has a foot1) and the tube with a different number of more round segments, and a different haircut?

>>6236952
>There's nothing wrong with using references and taking inspiration from other works as long as your craft is transformative, in this case it isnt.

What action-adventure design elements should I avoid to keep my project from being "the game that its like zelda", "its like metroid" or "its like uncharted"?

>>6237129
Just make a dolphin action puzzle game. It's an untapped market in 2020.

>>6237130
lmao sorry wrong thread

>>6236882
>n-no u
okay retard projecting lard

>>6237168

ECCO THE GECKO NOW HE SIPS CHAMPAGNE WHEN HE'S WRECK-O
damn right he loves the life he lives because it went from boring to adventurous and it's all. and if you don't know, now you know. Nigga. Beef twelve, hero in the house. Representin' Ristar, Tryrush Deppy. Mad flavor baby baby baybeh.

>>6237175
put on a shirt bro.
you're still wrong about spencer's soundtrack, eat it.

a beautiful game but a bad game nonetheless. people usually want remakes to retain the gameplay and reimagine the graphics but this is one of those cases where a good remake would retain the graphics and reimagine the gameplay

>>6237194
get caught in a fishing net

>>6237204
face it, its just not fun.

- ultra challenging die and repeat ad nauseum gameplay is fine on its own (see contra and castlevania for good examples)
- key/lock based puzzle exploration gameplay is fine by itself (see zelda and metroid for good examples)
But when you combine the two without making some compromises you end up with a shitty experience.

Game has a lot of merits, sure, but its not enjoyable to play. It might be hard for you to grasp this because you endured it as a child and after decades not only is it nostalgic you also have complete mastery over the action(controls and reaction-time) and a full understanding of the adventure(know exactly what to do and where to go)

>>6237242
i only discovered it on the 3ds, i'm 29. i had an snes. you need to think like a dolphin, you're getting filtered.

>>6236952
Holy shit, the thing doesn't even flap its wings. It just moves its mouth.

>>6237261
don't those glide anyway?

>>6237261
to animate it would require actual talent, not tracing over talented people's work. besides the dolphins pretty much only the jellyfish have good animation, the rest is mostly traced stills

>>6237304
at least they could have flipped the sprite when going left to right because at some point it """"glides"""" backwards

>>6237330
>>6236978
>>6236897
but they look totally different, are you under the impression that this dude invented those? he's just drawing what fossils would've looked like before they were alive. do you want ecco to have cartoon animals instead? that's not what it is dude

>>6237330
sounds like your mom hooked up with a dolphin

>>6236897
>>6236978
>>6236595
why are these old prehistoric illustrations always so full of SOUL?

>>6238145

humanity lost its soul when the masses started drawing digitally.

>>6237242
It's really not that hard if you play carefully, which is the point. The last level is bad and basically trial and error learning the pattern but the rest of the game isn't like that.

>>6237242
>>6238343

Also I was 18 when it came out and it's still one of my favorite games. It's overall difficulty has always been blown out of proportion.

>>6238347
>It's overall difficulty has always been blown out of proportion

Agreed, you just write down the level passwords and if you fail a level come back to it the next day.
people like to pretend that Ecco is like, nonstop drowning Sonic gameplay in a super difficult maze.
its not.

>>6238343
>>6238347
>>6238398
A lot of the game has problems with the controls and its hitboxes, and the maze-like level design isn't always very fun, but the game is manageable. I agree that the last level is the real stain on an otherwise very playable game, despite some flaws.
The action-based levels exclusive to the Sega CD version are kino, though.

>>6238404
I think the controls are sublime and never had real trouble with hit boxes. I can totally understand not liking the main game structure though and much as I love it and love talking about it, Ecco isn't a game I would recommend to everyone.

The last level is an outlier but I went through it all again for the first time in a while a few months back and it wasn't as bad as I remember, mostly just boring relearning the pattern. Vortex Queen is still a fucking pain though that didn't change.

>>6238502
Fighting the Asterite is harder.
>Have to charge four matching globes in a row, difficult due to its spinning helix form making it hard to line up attacks
>Pause for more than a second and it one-shots Ecco with lightning, so you can't really aim your attacks
>Still need to breathe, but there's no spots to do it and you can't leave the boss area. You have to do it in one breath.

Really, the only hard part with the Queen is not getting eaten while you break her jaw.

>>6236590
>>6236595
>>6236764
>>6236891
>>6236897
>>6238145
I remember reading this got permission from the estate, since both Novatrade and the artist were in the same country or something.

>>6238864
They should have asked Giger aswell

>>6238735
Yeah Asterite is pretty hard. Hard enough that my first time playing I resorted to trying to cobble together a code for a later level and ended up finding Welcome to the Machine. But whether it's because I've done it so much now or not I don't know but think the Asterite is much easier. All you really have to do is pick a side and keep moving up and down waiting for your openings and if you do fuck up, Dark Water is pretty quick to zip through.

With the queen you have to do both her eyes then jaw while avoiding all her shit and the normal aliens that also pretty much ohko you and there if you fuck up it's back to the machine.

>>6239182
Once the jaw is gone, you just have to be patient and hammer that sonar. The Asterite is a total battle against time and offers no chances to rest.

>>6239219
Getting to breaking the jaw is more of a chore than the whole asterite fight though. Just keep moving and you're good, no worry of aliens or jellyfish ir weird goo blobs. It's over in no time.

So they ripped off the graphics, how about the music? where did they take it from?

>>6239246
Pink Floyd. Why else would they name the second-to-last stage "Welcome To The Machine"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lt-udg9zQSE

>>6239246
Got any comparison of ecco tunes reminiscent of pink floyd songs?

>>6239467
Meant to you >>6239254

>>6236421
pink floyd?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kC9E7bqqxA

>>6236595
do you have all other comparison pictures? the site that used to have them was taken down

>>6240282
caverns of hope? I think they have them on the discord

>>6216215

Honestly, so am I.

>>6240282
why, so they can also not looked traced?

>>6241094
>why
because Im a big fan so appreciate all the behind the scenes info about how the game came life?

you guys managed to ruin a perfectly good ecco thread

>>6241701
in that case i support your curiosity and applaud you fellow dolphin

>>6236882
Hello, Big Blue Frontend.

Is ecco canonically male? I want to fuck it either way but would feel better not being gay

>>6241740
I actually think the tracing thing is curious, it doesn't really make me think less of Ecco though. If anything, it's kind of cool that some old illustrations came to life in a video game.

>>6243016
The question is, are there examples of this in Kolibri?

>>6243037
Very likely many more games than that.

>>6243037
Probably, the thing is that for the prehistoric part from Ecco there's not a limitless supply of references to pull from(especially in the 80s) so they went for illustrations of a renowned artist who's work will eventually get recognized. For everything else all it takes is going through all sorts of marine biology books to find countless photos of crabs and seahorses and octopi and sharks to copy and no one will ever find out(nor does it matter because while detailed speculative illustrations are the hard work of a talented artist, run-of-the-mill scientific photos are not)

>>6243016
honestly it enhances my enjoyment of ecco

>>6243843
Mine too. The whole game has such a unique surreal look.

>game where you play as a dolphin
thats fucking gay as fuck lets be honest

>>6244605

I'm sure you know a lot about what's gay anon.

>>6244631
No u. Ecco the gay dolphin

Why is the thread not bumping?

>>6244839
two weeks

>>6244930
I remember of a Monkey Island thread that lasted something like a month, probably more, here in /vr/ because it got regular bumps. Are you sure two weeks is enough? Sorry for the ot.

>>6244839
>>6244930
>>6245036
Sometimes mods will force it to auto sage if they arbitrarily don't like something and this board has some of the worst.