/vr/ - Retro Games

Well, yeah. Only one problem. It's on the NINTENDO 64!

>>6211912
Unga bunga n64 bad

>>6211920
for controlling an fps it certainly is

>>6211920
Cope, manchild.

>>6211920
It is bad

>>6211905
Final Doom > Doom 64

>>6211905
why couldnt you post this in the general? Like I agree with it on paper but why must OP be like that? is there some sort of neurological impairment?

>>6211925
You can rebind the controls to something actually good though.
>>6211930
Way too inconsistent in quality, especially Evilution.

>>6211905
How the hell am I supposed to see? This game on my crt in the beginning area is basically pitch black.

>>6212026
Turn the in game brightness setting to max. It defaults to minimum for some reason.

>>6212026
U aren't lol the designers had no windows because Midway was cheap as shit

>>6211937
This is one of the kind of threads I say deserves to not be confined to a general.

>>6211905
It's just Doom with Quake's level design.

>>6212045
hwat

>>6212045
Not even close. Quake took full advantage of the 3D level geometry (room over room, bridges you can walk under, etc.) and also had a lot of platforming challenges with moving platforms and stuff. Levels like Satan's Dark Delight and The Wizard's Manse could never have been done in the Doom 64 engine.

>>6211912
they have it on the PC now and they'll have it on the switch when Doom Eternal releases.

also, idk, >>6211905 Doom II is pretty good. Its the bedrock on which the insane amount of doom wads available are all built.

>>6212094
I think Doom 64's a more consistent game with better level design. That and the make over make it stand out more than Doom 2's distinctive expansion pack feel.

>>6211912
>>6211925
>>6211926
>>6211929
zoom zoom

I don't feel like the overall quality of the levels in Doom 64 is any different from the quality of the levels in Doom 2

You could argue Doom 64 wins because of the new game assets, but all of that absolutely pales to how fun Doom 2 DM is.

>>6212102
Get over it grandpa, it was a failure compared to their previous 2 systems

>>6212103
At least I can tell what 90% of the levels in 64 were trying to be. Doom II's level design was a mess and revolved around "dude just slap a bunch of monsters everywhere lmao"

I'm only a recent Doom fan, Doom64 was my first Doom game in 2018, so maybe i'm biased, but I definitely liked it more than Doom 2. Maybe because it didn't have those fucking dick necks with the gattling guns or the archviles. I dig the atmosphere a lot too. I do think I prefer icon of sin to the demon queen.

Of course it's better, it has assets that actually feel different from the first doom unlike doom II that was basically just an expansion. Doom 64 also has god-tier music.

Is the doom 64 port/remaster going to be available without getting doom eternal?
Every article loves telling you it comes as a bonus with eternal but doesn't bother to mention if it'll be available on its own, as if the only reason you'd be interested in it is because "look free bonus with the REAL product you care about".

>>6211905
I thought the boss was kind of lame and also the demon weapon

This is just revisionism in light of Doom 2016s popularity. Doom 64 and Playstation Doom were overlooked for many years by most of the community until the new shiny multiplat came out. And yeah they sure as hell should have impooved lighting and level design over Doom II considering Doom II is just a glorified standalone expansion for Doom. If anything Doom 64 falls short of expectations for an actual sequel its more of an expansion/remix itself and doesn't add enough new elements that take advantage of the hardware and the monster sprites are hit and miss (and the doomguy sprite is just straight garbage).

>>6212230
>If anything Doom 64 falls short of expectations for an actual sequel
To whom?

Doom 64 has a better base game than Doom 2.

>>6212217
I'm not sure. At first I heard it would be coming out last november, but then they delayed it so it could be a pre-order gift for Doom eternal, they never said anything about it being available stand alone. The Switch E-shop has it listed as an upcoming release so I'm pretty sure you can buy it stand alone.

>>6211905
lack of animation for reloading the super shotgun kills it, doom 2 wins

>>6212213
>Doom 64 also has god-tier music.
no
>ambiant music done bad when Quake 1 was released

I don't know about doom 2 but definitely better than 3

>>6211905
>no arch-vile
>no revenant
>no mod support
>varied soundtrack is replaced with completely dull and bland 'atmospheric' soundtrack

>>6212230
>If anything Doom 64 falls short of expectations for an actual sequel its more of an expansion/remix itself and doesn't add enough new elements that take advantage of the hardware
That’s the point! Doom II would have been better off as an expansion pack, and Doom 3 was distinctly un-Doom-like. As far as taking advantage of hardware, so fucking what? It was still a blast to play, and still ran the most advanced version of the Doom engine at the time, and the levels looked good even next to more “advanced” shooters of the time like Goldeneye and Turok: Dinosaur Hunter.

>>6212230
>This is just revisionism in light of Doom 2016s popularity.
Ironic considering your following statement.

>Doom 64 and Playstation Doom were overlooked for many years by most of the community until the new shiny multiplat came out.
People used assets from those games for fucking years, over a decade before Doom 2016, and people talked a lot about the levels, the reason Doom 64EX was a thing was because more people wanted to play it.

>And yeah they sure as hell should have impooved lighting and level design over Doom II considering Doom II is just a glorified standalone expansion for Doom.
More or less, but the new enemy types are fantastic additions, and Doom 64 suffers from lacking some of the best ones.

>If anything Doom 64 falls short of expectations for an actual sequel its more of an expansion/remix itself and doesn't add enough new elements that take advantage of the hardware and the monster sprites are hit and miss (and the doomguy sprite is just straight garbage).
Kind of true desu, but that doesn't mean it's not a valuable entry in the series. Final Doom was just a big level pack for Doom 2, and it's arguably the best part of classic Doom, it really takes the new assets from Doom 2 and go the, at the time, distance.

Excluding not having mod support, I can agree.
No Arch-Vile and Revenant, while sad, doesn't ruin the game as the levels are still really well designed, more so than Doom 2.

>>6212113
It was pretty damn ubiquitous for a “failure”, dontcha think?

>>6212256
>>Doom 64 has a better base game than Doom 2.
It's just easy as fuck. That and some of the "encounters" are boring shit like this: >>6211960 slow ass hallway baiting. Way too many gimmick levels too.

>>6212664
>It’s just easy as fuck
Then play it at a harder difficulty, scrub.

>>6212334
>I have shit taste

>>6212782
Aubrey Hodges ambient music is a snorefest, Trent Reznor actually made ambient tracks with variety and character.

>>6212770
It still absolutely pales in comparison to the harder parts of Ultimate Doom and Doom 2. I really love Doom 64, but I wish dumbasses would stop spouting shit like "it's the real Doom 2/3/whatever!!!". It was always meant to be a side game and nothing more.

>>6211912
Doom64Ex

>>6212770
Still easy as fuck, if you think it's remotely hard on any difficulty you must be shit.

>>6211905
Fact its weaker 2.5 game than contemporary Heretic, Duke Nukem 3d, Shadow Warrior, Blood.

>>6212468
No Spider Mastermind, Nazis, Chaingunners either.

here is your doom 3 bro.

>>6212845
Spideymind doesn't fill a particularly useful role desu, but he's cool, it'd have been neat to see how they would have made him.

>>6212812
>I wish dumbasses would stop spouting shit like "it's the real Doom 2/3/whatever!!!". It was always meant to be a side game and nothing more.
But that’s the whole point, dummkopf! Doom II was basically an expansion pack being billed as a new game, and Doom 3 would have been better off not being called Doom.

>>6212831
Okay mister bidya gaem mastar

>>6212782
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2MWISK-apQ&list=PL25F47CA6F3F95562
>bleep bloop

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVOHTGYoM6E
>mix of ambiant and metal

the new enemy sprites are all retarded-looking and the viewmodels are not animated, they merely jiggle a bit when guns are fired. otherwise good game.

Probably. It was also the first Doom that felt like a real sequel and not a mod.

>>6213494
>they merely jiggle a bit when guns are fired.
thanks to the shitty4.

>>6214016
rent free

>>6212334
>>6212801
get a load of this guy

>>6214026
I don't think "Trent Reznor is a better musician than Aubrey Hodges" is a controversial opinion.

>>6211930
Why is civvie such a nigger about TNT? It's not nearly as bad as he makes it out to be.

>>6211960
>people actually think these sprites are superior

Bunch of aesthetic-blind fucks, most of you. I'll grant that some of them ARE superior, but not:

>former human and shotgunner
>knights and barons
>mancubus
>cyberdemon
>that fucking shitlog "demon mother"

All the rest are legit upgrades, but fuck these.

>>6214210
Bruh. The former human and the shotgun or are probably my favorite new sprites in this

>>6211905
No

>>6211905
The prerendered, redesigned sprites look like garbage.
Music is meaningless ambient trash.

Based OP making 2niggers and Sonyfags seethe.

>>6212840
Duke is the only good one of that list.

>try to get people talking about doom 64 years ago
>nobody gives a fuck
>zoom 2016 comes out
>suddenly people give a shit

god dammit /vr/

>>6211905
>Doom 3 is a prequel to 90s Doom
>Doom 64 was always canon
>Doom 4 is a sequel to 90s Doom
>Doom RPG is canon

Bethesda retcons aside, modern Doom fans are dumber than Chris-Chan for falling for that shit.

Doom 3 was always a reboot. Doom 4 was a reboot until recently. Doom 64 was never canon as it was owned by Midway. Doom 4 is also shit and /pol/ are mainly the ones thrilled for Eternal.

>>6214201
>expecting a Doom 4 fan to be intelligent

>>6214434
It's because Zenimax bought the rights to the game and suddenly pretended the "he stayed in hell so this is actually Doomguy and not some new character" was enough to explain it.

Doom 64 was, at best, a sequel to PS1 Doom, not PC Doom.

Bethesda has used the franchise as a toilet and only dumb assholes like the new games.

>>6214573
Shut the fuck up, old man.

>>6214434
Boo hoo wah wah

>>6211905
Doom 64 was ass. This board's opinion on Doom 2 is absolutely fucking retarded in general and /vr/oom is a shithole filled with idiots.

>>6214573
OP here. Doom 2016 was based, and felt more like a Doom game than Doom 3 ever did.

Looks like DOOM 64 has finally become the Contrarian's Choice™.

It's not bad but the spritework is absolute rubbish and the music is all just a random mishmash of sounds with echo effects any retard could slap together.

>>6214201
He doesn't appreciate infighting, so he doesn't see why lots of hitscanning zombies can be really fun.

>>6214573
I like Doom 4 and I still think TNT Evilution is mostly good. Bitch.

>>6215005
I do agree with you that it’s become the contrarians choice. But Aubrey Hodges ambient music is fucking amazing. The sprite work and texture variety is ass. Everything is low resolution and muddy. Weapon balance is weird. The level design is kind of butt. But it’s still quite fine. At least Doom 3 had good level variety, unique graphics and shading, and solid multiplayer. I get what they were going for with Doom 3 and it is a good game. Just not much of a doom game.

>>6215076
I think Doom 3 is fairly flawed, but ultimately still a decent shooter.
10/10 chainsaw.

>>6212230
>doom 3
NOT RETRO LEL

I really like the spritework, although it only works if you're playing on a CRT (or at least any SD display).

>>6211905
>FACT: Doom 64 was a better Doom II
no

Sonyfags mad.

Knee-Deep in the Dead, Sigil, No Rest for the Living, and 64 are peak classic Doom.

>>6215379
>>6214402
What's with this brand worship shit? Is it an American thing? Just cause we say we don't like the N64 controller or we think Doom 64 isn't that good doesn't mean we're worshippers of your God's rival. Companies aren't your friend, grow up

>>6215375
>BFG minus the flying blob

>>6215403
It's more akin to a souped up Plasma Gun. The interesting part is how it's an upgradable weapon, where the upgrades come from the secret levels.

>>6214565
>Doom 64 was never canon as it was owned by Midway
How do you manage to be this stupid? Midway made the game but they didn't/don't own it in any capacity. Also Doom 64 was always canon because it was never specifically stated as being non-canon.

>>6215397
Doom 2 sucks.

>>6215448
How does that relate to what I said?

>>6214904
I love the SS and the new monsters, but Doom 2 is a terrible "sequel" (it's more like an expansion pack). Doom 64 is as close to a real Doom 2 as I've played.

Depending on my mood, sometimes I like Doom 64 even more than OG Doom.

>>6215534
Doom 2 is a pretty good expansion pack though, some of the levels aren't as good as in Doom, but most of them are good or fine, the new monsters are great, and people have had amazing mileage out of them for the past 25 years, along with the rest of the new assets.

Its existence is a net gain overall.

>>6211905
I've never played Doom 64 but I'd wager it has better levels than Doom 2's Sandy jerkoff party.

>>6214573
civvie actually likes doom 4?

most of his videos give off the impression that he prefers key mazes & switch hunts over running & gunning in arenas.

also his doom 3 video sort of made him sound like an apologist because of how popular doom 4 has gotten along with eternal around the corner.

>>6212262
>>6212217
they confirmed at the nintendo direct they announced it at that it's going to be a standalone as well as preorder bonus.

>>6211920
>n64 bad
Yeah, pretty much.

>>6211905
FACT: All Doom games are shit.

>>6215872
It does. 64 actually gets better the further in you go.

>>6214101
nobody even brought up reznor until that guy did. People with good taste like both and don't try to start stupid contrarian arguments on anonymous message boards.

>>6211960
so you just hold the shoot button and occasionally move to the left or right?

>>6211905
fact:
Doom 64's cacodemon is a pain elemental

>>6216073
Yes it's a Doom game.

I agree, but there wasn't a reason to make this thread to bait anti-N64 people. You just want to stir shit OP.

>>6215987
Except the first one.

>>6216340
No, they are all bad.

>>6216341
Then all FPS are bad. Dont know how any would be good if you consider Doom bad.

>>6216342
Anyways, Doom 64 is probably the worse FPS on the N64 behind Hexen and Daikatana.

>>6216343
Doom 64 is way better than shit like goldeneye, perfect dark or turok.

>>6216345
Lol yeah shooting things in the dark with shitty audio and bad frame rate is always fun.

>>6216351
the audio and frame rate are fine tho. go bait somewhere else

>>6216352
Haha are you kidding. How is that even bait?

>>6215534
>>6215574
wow, hot takes here from these doom babbies. I've never in my life heard these regurgitated opinions here ad nauseum before, ever. and every single time I haven't heard them, the faggot parroting them has never said it like they're fresh and insightful, even though they're (not) repeated practically every single day in that shithole circle jerk filled with absolute fucking retards.

Ultimate doom is a fucking boring pile of shit with only one okay episode. Es 2, 3 are literally entirely shit, E4 has like three good levels, that's fucking it. doom 2 is a far superior game. the only bad levels in Doom 2 are citadel, chasm and factory, then there's a couple of mediocre ones like courtyard and suburbs, the entire rest of the game takes a massive dump on Doom 1. I literally cannot understand how anybody prefers the first game. Found it boring when I was 8, find it boring now, it's always been an absolute snoozefest.

Fuck me I hate this shithole. You're all so hopelessly beyond fucking retarded it's baffling to me, constantly parroting the same shit over and over again like you're fucking autistic or some shit, always saying it like nobody has it before, like what the flying fucking crap is wrong with your brains? I've never read a single thing insightful here, everything you faggots say is wrong, whether it's a retarded opinion, or whether you're just objectively wrong regarding gameplay or anything else. Fuck doom babbies, you faggots haven't changed a bit, it's insane. Last time I saw u dickheads you were still exactly as I left u, you're all still retarded ugly virgins with bad breath and are a bunch of hopelessly ugly motherfuckers, and it doesn't look like it's ever going to change. please kill yourselves and save me a few brain cells please.

And my god, there is no opinion lower than the doom babby that thinks Doom 64 is good in any way whatsoever. What a shite game that is, how retarded do u have to be to enjoy that? Fucking kill yourself.

>>6216352
See
>>6216358

This anon knows that Doom 64 is 64 pieces of shit

Doom 64 is just okay. Not great, not bad. Just like most FPS games.

>>6216341
This guy says Bioshock is the only good FPS he’s playes

>>6216358
Doomchads literally drove this man to tears.

>>6215987
This guy had a 286 and couldn't run Doom.

Doomfags seething because their baby first fps is criticized.

>>6216397
Lets hear what ypu consider a good FPS. Probably Halo

>>6216405
Halo is not retro therefore cannot be discussed, but Doom is baby's first FPS. He is correct.

>>6216405
doom babbies (aka you) come from halo though. pic related probably needs an update at this point. those old faggots that are now a little older are still doom babbies however, make no mistake, and they're still retarded. whats that word you kids use now, "zoomer"? thats the next gen of doom babbies, but it's all the same shit.

>>6216416
>>6216415
Shitty halo worshippers spotted.

>>6216416
Damn dude, you are really cool for disliking a game so popular on this board.

>>6216416
Hey brah, how's your job search going?

>>6216358
*Doom 1 is so shit I can't even play modern wads made solely with Doom 1 assets that are apparently considered good like No End In Sight and Sigil. The enemy roster is just so fucking boring.

do we know what the deal with the new official release of 64 that's coming? Is it just going to be basically like 64 ex?

>>6216436
All's well, I'm getting married in June. Glad to see you still insta-replied to my post even though I haven't posted in a year lmao, just like last time. Hope the anime's treating you well.

>>6216443
>I'm getting married in June
What's his name?

>>6216443
Getting married to a 2/10 I see.

>>6216415
Well Half-life is and Doom blows both those games out the water.

>>6216443
>instareplied
>10 minutes later
You have a funny perception of time.

>>6216447
It's his cousin Elmer.

>>6216451
Cringe

>>6216454
You’re right Half-life is cringe. Shitty storyline.

>>6216459
Vanilla Doom is a snoozefest.
Don't know why you retards idolize it that much when Duke, Unreal, Quake, Half Life, Blood, Tribes, System Shock are better.

>>6216468
Literally all those games are doom clones. Like none would exist without doom.

>>6216449
nah she's fucking gorgeous my dude. incidentally so am I. maybe I'll send u a postcard.

>>6216474
Oh yes. If you are on /vr/ you have to be pretty damn good looking.

>>6216474
Well, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

>>6216473
And?.
Also wrong about System Shock, retarded zoomer.

>>6214201
TNT is trash and the worst official wad. I would say about 40-50% of the maps are worse than the worst of what doom 2 has.
civvie is a retard about a lot of things but hes completely right about tnt and doom 3

>>6216480
Doom came out in 1993
System shock 1994
U wot m8?

>>6216476
thats honestly one of the things that makes me so awesome. despite nerding out and shitposting online in a place filled with absolute aspergers ridden societal rejects, I am in fact ridiculously handsome, almost paradoxically so. what can I say, I'm fucking awesome

you just admitted youre ugly btw lmao

>>6216483
He's gonna say that System Shock runs on the same engine as Ultima Underworld.

>>6216452
yeah, you need to spend less time here holy shit

>>6216484
Oh yes here is a picture of me.

Send a pic of you so I can jerk off to it.

>>6216483
>>6216485
you are hopeless.

>>6216492
its gonna cost u $3

>>6216494
Hey everyone watch me destroy this bitch with one question.

Name one decent FPS that came before doom besides Wolfenstein 3D.

>>6216528
Wolf 3D and Doom aren't decent.

>>6216548
Then name a decent before 1993 then, retard.

>>6216548
wrong. Wolf 3D legit aged bad the man has a point, theres like Pathways into Darkness, Blake Stone, Kens Labyrinth maybe some flashy 3DO game but FPS was a novelty in Pre Doom time period.

>>6216468
>Unreal good

>>6216679
>Doom good

>>6216685
Ok we get it you suck at doom. Go play with your teddy bear

>>6216701
Back to your containment thread, doomcuck.

>>6216704
>comes into a thread about Doom to complain about people who like Doom

>>6216704
Hey low IQ. Which one is correct. XD

>>6216715

NOOOOO DONT INSULT MY SACRED COW

>>6216721
Choose a shape above or it means you are retarded

>>6216725
The fourth one.

>>6216732
Nope the colors dont match up

>>6216441
blease reply

>>6216358
gotten to

>>6216416
>he screenshot his own post

>>6216717
I'll save everyone else the trouble: None of them are correct it's a trick question.

>>6217157
I don't mean what you're implying, obviously that post is so refined and smart that he has to show it to everyone.

>>6217159
Fucking #2 you simpleton.

I played 5 or so missions and found it pretty dull. Does it get better later?

>>6218492
Yeah. The early game is a bit of a slog— especially the first four levels, but it picks up. Especially on the harder difficulties

>>6218525
Down to give it another shot, thanks.

Is there a way to have GZDoom not keep my weapons when I die?

>>6211960
hahaha wtf why is it so SLOW
do you like going so slow?? was doom too hard for consolebabbies??

>>6218492
>>6218543
Doom 64 really picks up once you reach Hell, starting with level 9, Even Simpler, all the to the end of the game.

>>6211905
The last great doom game. The true successor to doom 1. Quake 3 is another great ID game, and wolfenstein.

The parts of the game with tons of hell Knights, barons of hell, and using your SSG got really repetitive, especially when they shoved you in a hallway for it.

Doom 1 was amazing when it came out, even on a low end PC. everyone talked about it at school.
Doom 2 wasnt talked about as much, since everyone was talking about consoles at the time, but still an amazing game. Theres so many mods for it now that its still great and fresh in 2020.
Doom 64 is super ambient, and an overall great doom game. Doom64ex is great if you want to play it on pc too.
Havent played doom 3
Doom 4 was amazing and had the same feeling doom 1 had on release

>>6218852
Even Simpler is just Dead Simple but good.

>>6216358
>stop liking what I don’t like: the post

And the fact that ANY of that bothers you on /vr/ of all places, the fucking board with an ETERNALLY running doom thread tells me all any of need to know: that you blew in with the last fucking shitstorm you odious little cunt. If you have different opinions then express them like a fucking adult. Alternatively, and preferably, fuck off back to /v/ and come back when your balls have dropped, you massive fucking faggot.

Addendum: your fucking post implies you like Downtown which makes me even madder. I’m too angry to find a spack out Kermit so someone else provide, thanks.

Cunt.

>>6219224
Dead Simple is good, Even Simpler is just better.

>>6216358
Jesus you are so fucking mad dude. Take a nap.

>>6216351
>Lol yeah shooting things in the dark with shitty audio and bad frame rate is always fun.
Doom 64 is literally the only classic Doom game that runs at a locked 30fps. The others all run at 35fps, sometimes with dips on consoles.

>>6211905

I liked Doom 54, but I liked Doom 2 better.

>>6211920

would have been a great system if it used CDs. Think of how great Golden Eye would have been with thousands more textures and 50 more multiplayer levels.

>>6216341

>edgetard

Doom is an objectively good game. Changed all of modern gaming. I was there for it. I'm that old. To this day is it's still some of the best level design i've seen in a 3d game. Only halflike 1 comes close.

>>6216345

Turok sucked. Golden eye was amazing. Perfect dark was cool, but not memorable.

>>6220186
they made a doom 54? link

>>6216454

Doom has better level design, and does more with a lot less

>>6220197
>Perfect dark was cool, but not memorable.
Perfect Dark is extremely memorable. It's one of the most memorable videogames ever made. At least it's one of the most quotable.

>>6216437

modern wads suck. Play the actual game. The levels are awesome.

>>6213004
seethe

>>6220190
>Thinking a game studio in 1996 would even have the manpower for thousands more textures and 50 more multiplayer lecels
Oh my dear sweet zoomchild…

>>6219204
>haven't played doom 3

Keep it that way, its a linear corridor shooter with the same jump scare every other room. *Imp teleports behind u* *nothing personel*

Disagree about 4, though. I loved it, but it reminds me more of a much more polished version of Painkiller, not classic Doom.

Anyway, I used to rent Doom for SNES because it was one of the only games my parents had heard of and they wouldn't let me buy it for PC.

>>6220197
>Turok sucked. Golden eye was amazing
Peak retardation.

>>6220197

>>6220891
turek really did suck. goldeneye really was great. deal with it you silly contrarian

>>6221570
If I'm a contrarian than you're a mindless band wagoner; the only thing GE does over Turok is multiplayer.

>>6221586
The draw distance in Turok was pretty shit desu

>>6212217
It's on the eShop right now for preload. $4.99. Don't need Eternal at all, thank God.

>>6220197
Imagine thinking that Goldeneye is better than Perfect Dark in any single way.

>>6221767
You're not wrong but that hardly makes the game itself shit.

>>6221781
>Goldeneye better than Perfect Dark in any single way
Framerate

Doom 64 > Quake 2 >>>>>> Perfect Dark > Goldeneye >>>>>> Turok > Turok 2

>>6221781
I like GE more. It's so much more run and gun than PD and the kill count seems to be much higher. PD has way more focus on stealth/objectives. It's fine if that's your thing but I prefer GE.

PD has way better guns though. Graphics, too. GE I feel has the more memorable music because apart from PD's first level I barely remember any of its tunes. I think for setting they're kinda tied, can't really choose. GE has that awesome Soviet Bond feel of course and nails the movie's vibe, while PD has a really great sci-fi feel to it.

>>6221927
t. Oblivion

>>6221927
Correct, but only by a slim degree.

>>6216225

Yes

It was weird. Had way less action than the other dooms. Was slower paced but definitely more creepy and atmospheric

originals > claymation monsters
everything else is better other than the stupid toothpick pistol

>>6227175
They were a mixed bag. I liked the new soldiers, pinkies, pain elementals, barons, and mancubi. I thought the claymation cacodemon lost some of its original unsettlingness, and the new imp was cool but the original was just so iconic.

>>6211912
NINTENDO 64 was the best platform for FPS at the time. The only problem was its controls

>>6221570
Try explaining why to prove you're not another retard

>>6221767
The game had more external maps. Did you expect to see a tree from a mile away.

>>6227513
Personally I played lots of great FPS on PS1, so for me it's the opposite.

>>6227537
PS1 had a bad hardware for the 3D graphics that a good FPS required. Medal of Honor was one of the few good games but still far worse than Goldeneye

>>6227524
No, but I think seeing one about 50ft away would be reasonable

>>6227543
>PS1 had a bad hardware for the 3D graphics that a good FPS required.
Apparently that didn't stop them in releasing good FPS games...

Also history teaches that there are great 2D FPS, so

>>6227513
The controls were exactly why the N64 was the best console for FPS. C-Buttons to move/strafe and stick to aim will always be better than dual analog.

>>6227594
I actually think the N64 controller has a lot of strong sides, in spite of its faults, and I think the analog stick in particular actually has qualities to it that many later analog sticks don't, but:
>C-Buttons to move/strafe and stick to aim will always be better than dual analog
I don't understand how you can think that.

>>6227732
Here's why I think that: The C-Buttons are akin to WASD and the stick, the mouse. Obviously not one-for-one and m/kb is superior, but the similarities are apparent.

>>6227747
Fair enough rationale, but I find I much prefer an analog stick for moving over WASD buttons, to the point that I'm now (when possible) playing FPS on PC with an analog stick controller in my left hand instead of using my keyboard. I think analog stick + mouse offers the best of comfort and precision.

Doom 1
Doom 2: Brutal Doom 64
Doom 3 nonBFG
Doom 4: Doom 16.
This is the progression.