/vr/ - Retro Games

No, I don't think that is terribly ironic. I find the genres engaging in different ways and during different moods.

>>6205664
>Engaging. Captivating. Deep.
These are buzzwords used to sell hollywood trash
Amazing. Jarpigs really are the original movie games.

>>6205681
WHAT?
When I'm into a jrpg I think about it even when I'm not playing. I wonder what will happen next, what the characters are really about and how to optimize my party.
There's an attachment that doesn't occur in simple reflexive games like shooters, which I compare to throwing a frisbee around for a few minutes.
Jrpg is like going on a hike through ancient ruins filled with monsters, it's an adventure, an experience.

>>6205695
> I wonder what will happen next, what the characters are really about and how to optimize my party.
There's an attachment that doesn't occur in simple reflexive games like shooters, which I compare to throwing a frisbee around for a few minutes.
disagree. think of it like this...action games engage you intensely for short periods, jrpgs engage you more moderately but for longer periods.
Phantasy Star IV has hectic parts and battles, yes, but it also has very low energy parts in order to develop the plot and move the story along, admit it. Not saying that's bad, but you can't compare apples to oranges.

>>6205695
>There's an attachment that doesn't occur in simple reflexive games like shooters, which I compare to throwing a frisbee around for a few minutes.

disagree. think of it like this...action games engage you intensely for short periods, jrpgs engage you moderately but for longer periods.
Phantasy Star IV has hectic parts and battles, yes, but it also has very low energy parts to move the plot around and let you explore, admit it. Not saying that's bad, but you can't compare apples to oranges.

>>6205684
>hollywood invented those words
>movies bad

i get it, you're dumb....theater, story telling and plays go back to ancient greece and earlier. Engagement means something that captures people's interest and focus... jrpgs are interactive, living stories. the fact they engage people is obvious and not controversial. Story telling is cool as fuck, not some hollywood meme.

>>6205716
Apples are way better than oranges. If you're going with citris fruit, it should be mandarins.

>>6205732
Games are an interactive medium. Stories in game are a tertiary feature at best and will always be inferior to actual storytelling mediums. By all means enjoy your stories but don't tell us what is superior to what.

PS4 was incredibly boring in its storytelling though

>>6205767
^^^ this

if you want to read a good story, read a classic book
if you want to look at a good picture, go to a mueseum
if you want to listen to good music, get an album

game are only for interaction and any other attempt is an epic fail. to try and combine any of these things or intergrate them goes against all logic. this is why movies shouldnt bother with music or why music shouldnt have visuals too, it just gets in the f*cking way

oh they mad

>>6205664
Sidescrollers are too simplistic to suck you in and intellectually stimulate you. It's entertainment for brainlets, 'bing bing wahoo I have a short attention spam yeepii'.

JRPGs require you to think about strategies and tactics and have characters with depth and can have complex storylines.

>Isn't it ironic
No. No, it isn't.

>>6205826
>deep gameplay
>spam attack if physical class 90% of time
>spam spells if magical class 90% of time
lmfao

>jrpgs
>complex storylines
LMFAO...

>typing lmfao unironically
rofl

>>6205664
Post your metal slugs 1ccs please

I'm trying my first RPG right now and shit its so boring i can't even understand, do people really play these? or is it just a hipster meme?

>>6205907
post a screenshot of who filtered you.

>>6205783
>jrpgs have too many elements, story, music, combat, exploration, strategizing, choices, riddles, puzzles...
And that's a good thing!
JRPGs give me the full package, the gameplay is dynamic and immersive. Most games have you doing one mechanic over and over, whether it's jumping on platforms, racing around a track in circles, or shooting objects, it's the same thing over and over. And it can be fun for a little bit. But repetition is tiring!
What I like about jrpgs is the variety of gameplay, change of scenery, the surprises on the way!

>>6205967
>comes into borderline false flag pro-JRPG bait thread
>immediately responds to laziest counter-bait imaginable

at least show some commitment to the charade

I play both and enjoy both. if you don't, you are arbitrarily limiting your ability to experience different forms of entertainment for stupid reasons.

currently playing through final fantasy tactics for something like the 20th time

>jarpigs will NEVER EVER stop seething over arcade games

For me, it's shmups. They're comfy and fun to play with friends.

>>6205684
Wow, you're actually dumber than OP, good job!

>>6205681
This.

>>6205695
There we differ. I wondered often what strange and dark ruins I would explore when next playing Arcane Dimensions (a very large and well made set of levels for Quake), what new horrifying monsters there could be and how intense the fights will be, what grandiose and gorgeous architecture I was still in for, what curious and inventive progression there could be, and what secrets I will find.

In fact very few games don't have effects like that on me, like maybe Tetris, which is a wholly abstract puzzle game and which has just the single line of progression (it's getting faster, keep up!), I'll still find myself fantasizing about games with little to no plot. What's my next initiative in Simcity 2000, what problem in my city do I need to solve, how should I lay out my next expansion plan, what power source is in my best interest to build next, and what are its possible consequences?
There doesn't really need to be story, my imagination can often fill things in for me if there isn't, the gameplay itself can be very captivating.

>>6206075
>variety of gameplay
Most JRPGs have you do fighting by selecting things in a menu, with no movement input on your part and results being calculated by weighing a current set of numbers versus dice rolls.
And that's ok, it works, but it doesn't give you the same direct agency and flow that realtime combat does, where you have the fraction of a time to think and make decisions, and where to progress you need to employ real time tactics and carry out learned maneuvers.

I think that's why I liked Shining Force a lot more than other turnbased JRPGs, because you need to be considering positioning and range; force through that bottleneck, defend your casters and ranged fighters, consider attack ranges and movement ranges of your own characters and your enemies, consider how long this character can fight in this position against these odds, if he can beat them handily, if he's at serious risk, if a healer can support him, and if the healer himself is at risk for doing so.

>>6206291
shining force 2 is one of my favorite turn based jrpgs

>>6206075
Don't really find that to be true, RPG's are mostly not dynamic unless they are action RPG's, and minigames tend to be the biggest thing of variety.

Otherwise, it's walking around and having fights, which many times, you get games where the only interesting fights are the ones with the bosses, and you're lucky if it's not fights that are easy or you can disregard with grinding, and even then you are luckier still if the whole game isn't something you need faqs to be anything decent at without having to retry or waste a lot of time trying everything, not to mention items/characters/skills that are amazingly easy to miss if you don't do some random thing in some games.

I actually find more action based games to be fun because...well, they're fun from the get go rather than having to go through several cutscenes and a lot of the time easy fights, sure you could do self imposed challenges but still not exactly the heigh of fun.

There are not many RPG's, even ones i do like, that i would say are genuinely fun and amazing when it comes to actually playing a game, but then again, there are some people that really love grinding, turn based battles even when it's easy and all that, to a point where i know people who play JRPG's that haven't been translated despite not knowing japanese and still loving them...which i don't see, but hey different tastes and all.

...Though i will say i did play some Super Robot Wars games and those are incredibly full of dialogue and some of those games i played weren't translated, in my defense though, fucking mechas from several anime and manga series are available to play with, you're damn sure i want to fight the Angels from Evangelion and send them a rocket punch to their faces, knowing what is happening or not.

>>6207774
Combat is not the bulk of gameplay in many traditional jrpgs, if you played some you'd know this, and difficulty is intentionally put on the easier side to facilitate storytelling and smooth exploration so even kids and teens can casually beat the games within 30 something hours. And that's fine, we don't need to speedrun GnG or get sick kill ratios in fortnite to have a fun experience. You don't have to like jrpgs but I've never seen someone so confused and passive-aggressive about any genre.

>>6205664
I think what you meant to say was

>I'm not very good at skill based games, allow me to cope by saying that low challenge menu sims with B-movie writing are actually better

I can't believe people are falling for OPs bait, they're 10 times dumber than he is

>>6207774
Imagine reading the OP and then typing all this shit. Then imagine typing all this shit yet still lacking the ability to express yourself succinctly or even coherently. Responding to trolls and trying to influence opinions with infantile babble. Might as well write a thesis on a bathroom wall.

>>6205664
Sidescrollers are shit, more news at 9.

That said, RPGs, particularly JRPGs, are more stimulating than other games because of the focus in the story. If I have to play a game then the story/setting be GREAT or it better have the best or most addicting gameplay ever made.

>>6208039
>That said, RPGs, particularly JRPGs, are more stimulating than other games because of the focus in the story.
There are people with autism who can't understand how stories, character development and just simple exploration & discovery are enjoyable in games.

>>6205664
there's more to do in jrpgs than most action games.

>>6208520
Quality > quantity.

>>6207851
But the combat is the main thing aside from walking around and going to menus to equip or use anything, just saying i generally find the games actually less fun to play themselves than more action based games, and it's the story that saves them.
>>6208520
No one said anything against that idea because it's obviously true, heck RPG's are meant to be played for a long time, whether it's JRPG's or western RPG's.

>>6205826
>>6205870

>Characters with depth
Halfway or hell, 1/3 through the game, with all party members aboard, their relevancy to the main plot goes entirely through the drain.

Every. Fucking. Time.

Menu-driven gameplay always sucks.

Videogame stories always suck.

RPGs can fuck right off.

>>6206291
>>6206784

Tactical RPGs are a different beast than JRPGS entirely IMO

>>6209949
tactical jrpgs are jrpgs

>>6205664
just finished ps4 and i was looking for rpg threads here for more recommendations since i found it redpilled and wholesome.. i've only played ps4, legend of zelda, FF7 and chrono cross/trigger, any recs? would prefer older, like sega mega drive/snes...

>>6205826
>RPGs require you to think about strategies and tactics
i didn't realize selecting shit from a menu is considered "strategies and tactics".
>have characters with depth and can have complex storylines
yeah..i'm just gonna say it:

read a fucking book.

>>6210793
>sega recs
Langrisser II, english patched.
google MIJET translation patch.

Langrisser IV (ps1) the english patch is really good.

>>6210805
>i didn't realize selecting shit from a menu is considered "strategies and tactics".
That's what tactical/strategy jrpgs are all about.

>>6209949
solely because they tend to have battle objectives other than just "fucking genocide the same set of monsters with your best moves for the billionth time"

if it wasn't for that, they're identical. almost every tactical RPG throws you some overpowered fucks capable of nearly soloing entire maps, like archers/ninjas/Canopus in TO, or half the cast of any fire emblem game

>>6210825
thanks for the tip. found the rom and the patch. not exactly what i was looking for though...maybe it grows on me

>>6210793
SRPGs but the Shining Force series.

>>6210825
Are they independent stories? Been meaning to try some of them out, and II was recommended.

>>6210825
This game destroys my mind, it's a shame because the more complex a game is the more I think it is extremely fun to play it (provided you understand what is going on).

>>6205810
>if you want read good story, read a classic book....if you want look at a good picture, go to mueseum
>>6210805
>read a fucking book.

No book is going to give us badass scenes like vid related. lol @ this nerd cope, face it you got pleb tastes

>pretending mainstream JRPGs commonly considered good by the plebs like PS4 have any real depth and can't be stormed through by a brainlet
you'd have a point if you tried to talk about WRPGs of the era

>wrpgs
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