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Is Neverwinter Nights fun? (not retro)

>>6208723
I didn't find it so fun. There's something about those kind of sprites and the tile-based travelling with the keyboard and the formulaic nature of it that ruined the immersion for me.

>>6208729
Baseline game? Fuck no. The only fun part of it is the fan-made campaigns. Stop thinking about NN as "a game" and more like "an engine for fan content" and you should be at home

>>6208729
I tried it, hated it. I heard others say that the engine is great and with modules other than the vanilla campaign make a great experience

>>6208713
To be honest Baulder's Gate 1 &2, Icewind Dale 1 & 2, Fallout 1 & 2 and Planescape Torment are top tier and probably always will be. Other games are decent (like some of the Ultima games), many are boring (like Neverwinter Nights in my opinion). For me the extremely in depth world building and story were what made the top tier games so good. Few developers were ever able to match them in quality of story and gameplay.

>>6208747
Hopefully the remaster of the original Wasteland will be good.

>>6208753
Wasteland 2 & 3 weren't bad (the randomized attack mechanic was aggravating at times). Underrail was good but short.

>>6208756
Sorry I meant Wasteland 2 was good but aggravating. Three hasn't been released yet. Not until May.

>>6208713
Can't say I have a favourite... They tend to have their own strengths, and there isn't a 'holy grail' that combines the best of all.

I do pine for the excellent sense of world-immersion that Ultima 7 provided, even if the combat was meh and character customization null. Similar thing for the Underworld games... I love them, even though a lot of the skills were useless.

>>6208738
>>6208739
What is so bad about the base campaign? I was looking at the enhanced edition last night but am skeptical now given your guys posts.

How do I get healing potion formula in darklands? It seems alchemists don't trade it.

>>6208883
The entire base campaign works off this formula:
>go to these four areas in a small locale and collect items from them
>hand them to your handler
>do the chapter's epilogue
>repeat until game is beaten
It has a few fun quests about it (most notably the trial in Chapter 2), but ultimately it's a rather boring RPG, although a lot of people still waifu Lady Aribeth.
Shadows of Undrentide / Hordes of the Underdark are solid RPG campaigns.
However, as another anon points out, NWN is the best with its custom campaigns, like Swordflight, Aielund Saga, A Dance with Rogues, etc. It's just a phenomenal vehicle for creativity.

>>6208738
I really like Realmz which was a simple playable tile based DnD scenario engine.

I found it worked great for low-intermediate leveled characters. The high level scenarios where the creators got a super monster boner really expose the game breaking mechanics of DnD for and against the player.

Even late game Baulders Gate, I think the characters tend to blend together mechanically.

>>6208713
Should I give a try to Wizardry and Might and Magic series? Never played them before.

>>6208926
>A Dance with Rogue
doubt.jpg

>>6208990
A Dance with Rogues is a very competently made module specifically for roleplaying a rogue. It's also a porn module, true, but the rogue-oriented challenges in it are excellent.
But fine, if you need an alternative in the same vein, pick Honor Among Thieves.
>>6208979
Yeah, sure. Also Might & Magic is easier to get into - less hardcore overall, particularly from the 3rd game onwards.

>>6208979
M&M turned into baby's first RPG series. You can try starting with 3 or 4+5 and later move on to 1 once you're used to the genre.
After that you can work your way through Wizardry, starting with 5 or the Japanese entries before attempting 1-3 with Wizardry 4 as the ultimate challenge.

>>6208729
Hard question to answer
The implementation of AD&D rules is superb and character building is a joy
The game engine is dated but the 3D models have a certain charm that more modern games lack
The interface and controls are nothing short of perfection, but it's the kind of great design you don't really realise is great until you play something that isn't as well designed... Like NWN2, which is disgusting and wrong.
The original musical compositions for the first game and it's official expansions are godlike, arguably the best orchestra music written for a videogame.

So that's the game engine but as other anon said, the quality of modules varies. I happen to like the original quest. But compared to other CRPGs, especially Baldurs Gate, it's pitifully limited and linear. Sadly, almost all modules are like that but many are enjoyable

I can't remember the names but there's a really fucking chilling horror one- not Davenport, but there's a Ravenloft module I've played that was great also.

Best of all was a module that translated Zelda gameplay into the NWN engine. You defended a village that you could slowly build up with townsfolk and your own mansion. Skills like spot and listen helped detect hidden collectables.

It's all out there for you to find, just don't be surprised when 99% of content is white.

>>6209348
>white
shite

>>6209348
Thanks for the detailed reply. I think I will hold off on NWN for now.

>>6208713
I love pretty much almost all of the modern Ultimas (6,7,7.5,8) and the spin-offs (SE, MD).

But my personal favorite is Martian Dreams. The story, world, interactivity, background is just so outlandishly unique and awesome, even to this fucking day.

It's great and has everything. Time travel, crazy science, fucking Tesla, killer green men, etc.

>>6209348
>Like NWN2, which is disgusting and wrong.
I still can't comprehend how the fuck did they manage to mess the UI and control scheme to such an extent as to create *floaty* CRPG mouse controls.

>>6208713
>Last reply was 10 hours ago
Feels bad, man.
My favorite CRPG is always going to be BG1. Still have my 6-disc ToSC. Just finished Durlag's on PS4.

>>6208729
In terms of moddability? Yes. In terms of the campaign? Dear god no. To quote a man who after 7 years doesn't know how to edit videos, in terms of writing NWN1's plot is one of the most truly boring, halfassed ones they've ever done. ME:A, for all of its failings and rehashes of ME1's plot, is a much deeper and better-presented script than this. NWN1 is the single most mediocre story in Bioware's catalog. But by the time you're done with it, you're left with two important pieces of knowledge

The first being you know how a campaign is structured, how the maps are bound together, how quest triggers work, and what the overall limitations of the engine are. You learn all of this because these things that are usually hidden are left completely transparent in NWN. The environments are angular, bigger, it's a game of hallways and doors. All the ways things hinge together, all the thresholds you cross to trigger conversations or traps, all of them are plain against the largely undecorated background. Conversation is even relegated to a small corner of the screen where once the words were given half the visual field, now they're simply another menu mode aside your inventory and character sheet. Dialouge is 'a' feature of 3rd Edition D&D but it's not the primary one. Quests as a result are primarily transactional, it's not who you know but what newly triggers that counts. BW for whatever reason decided to take half a decade of writing experience for the Forgotten realms and focus purely on the mechanical, far moreso than even Icewind Dale had ever bothered to do.

And then the second piece of important knowledge trickled down: the muted nonsense that there's got to be a way to do this better.

>>6212337
playing BG with a pad seems like a nightmare

>>6208729
>Is Neverwinter Nights fun? (not retro)
I think you answered it yourself

>>6212452
I'm not totally in love with how Beamdog did it, but it's not too bad. I was already using Xpadder to play Tutu with a pad.

play FRUA

>>6208713
Are there any CRPGs where I don't have to micro manage 5 other retards in a party? I would much rather just play solo and not have to worry about awful path finding clogging everything up when there's a hallway with more than 2 units.

>>6212519
Neverwinter nights.

>>6212519
BG1 and 2 are soloable.

>>6212519
First person games or turn based games don't have pathfinding.
Additionally you have games like Diablo where you only control a single character.
If anything, games with the problems you described are rare.

>>6212519
Stop playing Infinity Engine shit

>>6212584
finally someone had the balls to call some of the best and highly regarded games of all time shit

>>6212519
Zelda might be your speed

>>6212618
lmao play some goldbox nerd

>>6212636
wow u sure showed him

>>6212519
step 1: stop being a sissy faggot

>>6212636
Hey, speaking of goldbox, I love that shit.

Wish there was anything making something similar. There was an unlimited adventures community for a while that remade old SSR modules but that shit is a bitch and a half to get running.

Fuck man, with a little bit of streamlining that shit could be great.

>>6213072
Knights of the Chalice, mayhap?

>>6213139
I really enjoyed KotC. I wonder if they'll ever make 2.

>>6213174
Pierre has been working on KotC 2 for years.
He's putting it up on Kickstarter sometime next month, I think.

>>6208713
I like Arcanum because I like the setting, I like the options it has for roleplaying, I like building my own character and the companions you get have charm in them imo. I understand anyone who doesn't like it.

>>6212636
Which goldbox is best to start with if I am a brainlet?

Aec'Letec is so fucking difficult.

>>6214527
Pool of radiance

I'm just gonna post that UAP for Arcanum has been updated to 2.0. Here are the changes in the latest patch:

Now includes an optional "Race Mod" module.
[Race Mod] Orcs, Ogres and Dark Elves can now be selected during character creation.
[Race Mod] These three races now get unique reaction modifiers just like the other races.
[Race Mod] These races can now use unique DE, OG, OC markers for portraits and backgrounds.
[Race Mod] Various cut portraits from pre-release versions of the game have been assigned to these races.
[Race Mod] Added race based insults for Orcs, Ogres and Dark Elves.
[Race Mod] Orcs are given Barbarian Clothes during character creation, since they can't wear suits.
[Race Mod] Added race checks for these races to various dialogs and scripts throughout the game, so that they advance through the quests and the game acknowledges their race.
[Race Mod] Added 3 new pregenerated characters: a female gnome, a female halfling (both using 70% scale female human sprites) and also one very special gentleman.
Added an option in the installer to raise the level cap from 50 to 100.
Added an option in the installer to disable combat music.
Fixed the problem with the 'Attack' command in the follower context menu acting as 'Walk'.
Equipping barbarian armor on an ugly character no longer causes everyone to attack you on sight (but the reaction penalty still applies).
Increased the effect.mes limit from 400 to 1000 for better mod support.
[High Resolution Patch] defaulted to the software renderer for better compatibility with modern systems.

>>6214527
Buck Rogers: Countdown to Doomsday

>>6214527
pool of radiance or champions of krynn and then their respective sequels.

>>6216407
Sounds amazing other than the barbarian armor thing

>>6216407
Did the unofficial patch fix the general shittiness of firearms? I remember playing with an older version of the patch about 8 years ago, and they were crap. Excessively wide damage ranges, very low minimum damage etc.

>>6216783
Drog has said that he isn't gonna tackle balance. Just a little change is enough to make some fans angry and complain, and so if you want something that makes firearms better, I guess you are better off checking other mods for that.

>>6216939
>Drog has said that he isn't gonna tackle balance
Yet has no problem arbitrarily changing something like
>Equipping barbarian armor on an ugly character no longer causes everyone to attack you on sight (but the reaction penalty still applies).
What is it with unofficial patches always going too far and changing things they personally don't like even if it's not a bug

>>6217232
drog has always been some weird OCD pseudo-purist who will absolutely refuse to implement optional game balance/difficulty changes but will arbitrarily change and "restore" random things