/vr/ - Retro Games

Can you post a picture of your chin, please?

Because the Japanese choose one single thing to be good at and devote their hours to it outside of school or work. Unlike Westerners who are busy also watching movies, playing other vidya, reading, and listening to music.

Plus in terms of /vr/ games you could rent a ton of games in the USA but rentals were not a thing in Japan, so Japanese kids had to buy one game and commit to it for months/years instead of just a weekend like US kids and then move onto a new one.

Close knit arcade scenes always make for superior players. In the modern Tekken competitive scene Koreans are getting displaced by terrifyingly good players from Pakistan of all places because while Korean arcades are disappearing, Pakistani players have a robust locals scene and arcades running.

Tell us about japs outplaying retro fps

>>6198919
1. Alpha 3 was not a retro game when that match-up occurred.
2. "Retro Game" is a broad category that includes both western and eastern games. I guarantee the best FPS players in the west would slaughter the best of Japan in the 90s.
3. The Japanese were better at some fighting games due to having more arcades and more players to create stronger competition.

>Why did Westerners consistently fail to catch up to Japan when it came to knowledge and skill in retro gaming?

>>6199252
what, really? I'm having a hard time believing the Japanese didn't do rentals, why wouldn't they? not saying you're incorrect, I've just never heard this before.

>>6199445
Because renting video games was/is basically illegal in Japan.

>>6199472
What the fuck
How

>>6200019
>how
Nintendo did it. Remember, that nintendo is basically a japanese disney.

>>6198930
This.

>>6198951
This.

Most westerners have so much ADD they cant focus on one thing for 5 minutes before jumping to something else. Look at the box collectors on this forum. They play a new game they spent $250 on for like 5 minutes, if that, before entombing it on their shelves.

Also, in the shmup scene, some japs know some glitches that they keep very secret. Which is kinda bullshit and borderline cheating.

>>6198930
>>6200031
t. proving the stereotypes about westerners

>>6198919
Asian mindset. Winning under all circumstances versus playing a game for the game's sake. The same way you won't find any Westerners selling their own intestines to pay their gambling debts.

Westerners mostly grew up on console games, which generally weren't designed for serious competitive play.
It's why any time you see a westerner excel at a game it's usually from speedrunning a Nintendo game or something similar.

>>6198919
Japan's only worth shit at fighting games and even then not really anymore.

>>6198919
autism vs adhd

>all this cope from westcucks

>>6202390
You're welcome to try proving it wrong for once lol

>>6198919
Isn't being unpredictable a good thing in a game about reading your opponent and predicting their next moves?

>>6199275
This. Japanese people can't play FPS because of motion sickness.

>>6199445
renting isn't a big thing in the rest of the world. Never was a thing here. Over here, you had "arcades" that had a bunch of consoles, and you "rented" those by paying money per hour to sit there and play from the games they had.

>>6199437
Why do you keep posting craniofacial dystrophy sufferers?

>>6199275
doesn't matter because fps aren't really retro

>>6206751

>>6200025
Computer game publishers did it because copy protection on computers has always been and always will be shit.

>>6206819
It wasn't "game publishers" it was Nintendo. Just Nintendo. And they did it in spite of companies like SEGA liking the rental market as it often lead to more sales.

Nintendo are a fucking blight on the industry and their cancer spreads all the way until this day.

>>6200093
Nothing to do with ADHD, it's completely different mentalities on every level. Japan lacks the free thought most western societies used to express. They expect to be put in a box, work that box and everyone else do the same. They're cogs in a larger machine and identify as "Machine 4 : Cog 293,049". Where as the West identifies are Cog 203,028 and that's it. Japan was conquered and forced into a more Western style of society, which doesn't change a damn thing for how they look at the world. It's like comparing a cheetah and a lion and asking why both cats don't act the same. Very different creatures in very different environments.

>>6199264
>Close knit arcade scenes always make for superior players.
This is the only answer that is needed. Online play with GGPO leveled the playing field greatly later on due to it allowing many westerners to play with one another and get better the same way as the Japanese players were prior.

>>6206924
I think it's a combination of that along with what was also said ITT of westerners lacking patience and ambition.

>>6198919
>>6199264
This. It just comes down to a stronger scene and whoever can get the most quality experience.

>>6199264
The reason arcades are such a contributing factor is that knowledge gets shared. Americans aren't big on doing this even in places with a scene. They're quicker to huddle into their cliques, make assumptions of newcomers, test them for their "worth," and even then, they won't compromise any key information or anything that might throw their win into jeopardy. Improving doesn't matter as much as winning. "America, #1," for better or for worse (spoiler: it's worse).

>>6208358
Bro, there is no secret knowledge in the fighting game scene. It all comes down to whether or not you have a healthy scene that gives you the opportunity to improve against good players. America is fuckhuge and before good online play took off, it was near impossible to find a good scene if you didn't live in specific areas of the country. In Japan, the best players are a public train ride away.

>>6208363
This same goes for places like China,Korea etc combine that with the fact that japs can barely speak English these days let alone in the past

Noo zoomies you couldn't just googletranslate in 2002 and roam whatever Japanese sites to get the potential info
noo zoomies you couldn't use nicovideo in 2002 for replays/guides

>>6208363
>there is no secret knowledge
What are you talking about. It's called "tech," people discover it as a game gets played, good communities share it and improve the community as a whole. See, this is the other thing. Americans are so hung up on fighting games as a dick measure contest you can't even SAY something about them without some nobody coming in like they'll set the record straight. Conversations become a back-and-forth where nothing gets shared because there's a constant one-upsmanship by a fragile ego that needs his joystick-twirling to elevate himself above his peers. That about sums it up: Americans are shit at fighting games because there is an inherent social aspect in being able to get good at them and the "guard" for them in America is full of anti-social toughguys whose "toughness" is beating people up in cyberland.

>>6208376
There is zero secret knowledge in the fighting game scene. Once someone figures out something, they do it in a match and everyone sees it. The end. Fuck with your pseud bullshit.

>>6198951

Yep, Daigo would practice 15 hours a day. Hes cut back a lot and that's part of the reason why hes no longer at the same level that he use to be in his prime, but the new guys are still on that 10+ hours a day shit.

>>6208382
>The end
Thanks for proving my point dumbass. Come in here trouncing around and doesn't even know what "tech" is or how it works and still gotta act on the defense for his girlfriend, the fighting games.

>>6208271
Lol maybe in the realm of fighting games and fighting games only. We don't seem to have a hard time in the west finding people who can play Paganini or learn quantum physics, or any other number of skills and tasks that are a lot harder than videogames. And even in videogames westerners do just fine in genres more popular and fitting our consumer culture like fps titles. The explanation is entirely economic and material, i.e. arcades and concentrated urban centers that can foster arcade scenes. Everyone doing amateur sociology in this thread is pulling it straight from their ass.

>>6208407
I'm pretty sure it's just one pseud for the most part.

>>6198930
kek, based, OP BTFO for the weeb shitter he is

Pakistan still wins cause they cant afford another game.

because no one gave a shit about those games here.

>>6208358
>Improving doesn't matter as much as winning
this so much

>>6198930
Kek

>>6198919
even now the fighting game skill gap is pretty large. netplay is neat but usa players tend to do what gets them wins online and at locals, while not really trying to understand the game competitively.
meanwhile in japan players are doing option selects and generally have a higher level of play.

>>6205571
We have movie rental shops in Japan dumb cunt

>>6206751
>Doom is not /vr/
>Quake is not /vr/
>Duke is not /vr/
>Unreal is not /vr/

what the actual fuck are you on about

>>6208376
A large part of this is the black guys in the FGC. For some reason they always want to make it into a dick measuring contest and act like it's some gang warfare shit. It's influenced the entire scene and puts off a lot of people who other wise would of been interested. Guys who aren't into gang culture, rap or trying to be a thug while twiddling your thumbs avoid it like the plague. Those are also some of the smartest, most autistic people around and would be a god send in improving tech and learning niche strategies.

The Japanese scene doesn't have that same wannabe rapper element so it's a lot less about pissing contests and a lot more about improving as a community rather than an individual. Completely different mentality.

>>6211927
Literally this. Fuck niggers, it's enough for these apes to ruin real life, they need to bring their jungle tribal ooga booga subculture to FUCKING VIDEOGAMES. I play casually for fun, and watch some of the big tournaments, and my god, this shit is unbearable and definitely scares people away.

>>6199445
Yeah, Nintendo lobbied Japanese lawmakers very aggressively and got them to ban video game rentals outright. They also pushed VERY hard to have game rentals banned in the US as well. They failed, in part thanks to the combined efforts of Sega and Blockbuster video.

As a final fuck you, Nintendo successfully prevented Blockbuster from including instruction manuals with their rental copies of games, arguing that it was copyright infringement. Blockbuster ended up providing generic copies of manuals instead. Nintendo of America didn't lighten up until around the N64 era.

>>6198919
Like others have said I think it comes down to culture. I'm not sure if I'm correct about Japan but in America Arcades were always treated as these seedy child-bars by parents while in Japan arcades were much more accessible. I kind of wish we had the Jap culture here in america but it's just too spread out for it to be feasible.

>>6211945
I don't think you were cut out for high level fighting games to begin with, like a lot of whites evidently

>>6211927
>>6211945
Shut up! Do you even realize how $#%@ing stupid you sound? Some racist ass bullshit in this thread....

>>6211927
Anon black people are more attracted to fighting games because they were poor so they wasted quarters at arcades. It's just a remnant of NWA poor-nigga attitude.
They wouldn't make fun of you if you beat them in SF3S
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np_5BHmaSI4

>>6212087
doz niggas azn persuasion doh

>>6211927
believe it or not there are chimps in japan as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kK3-rJ_5zoE&t=567s

>>6212142
with the way he plays daigo probably kinda deserved it
even for japanese standards dude's a turtle

>>6212087
Utter bullshit. If you're poor you don't have the money to feed cash into fighting games. They're one of the most expensive arcade games and especially these days you see them with consoles, online subscriptions and arcade sticks, so being poor has fuck all to do with it.

>>6212142
Of course there are, but there culture isn't wannabe gangsters and wiggers acting like tough guys over street fighter. It's a shitty way to behave in general and it's even shittier because it's over fighting games. It's why in a competitive field I was much more drawn to something like Quake which didn't have the same chimp out bullshit every time someone won or lost and then a week of social media slap fights over it. No other competitive scene is like this, most are much more professional in public and know they need to shower before attending events. No one ever used to complain about the smell of LAN parties or competitive FPS events in Europe, yet we hear constant complains about the FGC smelling so bad it lingers after they leave.

>>6198919
>Westerners
>Alex Valle
He's Peruvian.

>>6212554
>If you're poor you don't have the money to feed cash into fighting games
lol yes they do, and it's the reason why they're poor. Dumping all their spare change into meaningless distractions instead of saving it for more important things.

>>6212659
How is that not west?

>>6198919
Fighting games are fucking trash, why are japs unable to catch up to the west when it comes to retro fps?

>>6212992
I'm sorry to hear you never got good at fighting games. Maybe if you try a little harder?

>>6212908
West means white to your average reddit tourist

>>6212994
There's that "I suck at fps" cope again

>>6212869
Maybe my culture is different but if I had spare cash I didn't put it into arcade machines, I saved it to buy second hand games which I could get for the same cost as playing street fighter maybe 10 times. Birthdays and savings let me get the consoles and then I used what little money I had to buy games. Arcades came to town a few times a year and I might have a go at Tekken or MK once or twice but I never fed quarters into it.