/vr/ - Retro Games

>anybody have some advice?
yeah play a better game

>>6198158
>save scumming
What a terrible meme.
>Anybody have some advice?
Stop obsessing over non-lethal, and one shot them with the dragon sword.

>>6198158
stun them with the prod and blackjack them in the butt

>>6198926
Surly there's a way to one hit kill them non-lethal for speed running purposes? I had no problem downing them up until Paris which seemed to be more RNG? I know this game is praised on 4chan so I thought I'd see if i'm doing something wrong

>>6198947
Did both Anon and reloading saved sometimes it worked and sometimes it didn't.. altho.. I found that a black jack from the back to the head twice works (yes they detect u on the first hit) but you gotta stand from stealth.. it's the most accurate way to kill them without loading so far

>>6198158
Just walk behind them until you can smell their hair the targeting reticle is the closest. and hit them with a blackjack in the center of the back you their head

>>6198979
You can get them in one hit with the baton (not the prod), but the hitbox, as illustrated in your OP, is tiny.

>>6198158
Did you make sure choose the GEP Gun on Liberty island.

>>6198996
Man I have multi saves with loads of commandos just to figure it out.. some do go down with what u said but some are just hardcore cunts and won't go down at all.. i'm pretty sure I did what u said Anon and it failed 50% of the time.. my blackjack tactic works hitting them on the head from behind standing twice but it's not good enough for speedruns..
>>6199010
lol no I picked the bow for non lethal kills but have the GEP now for robots and lockpit attempts

>>6199009
There's only 1 hit box, but different regions of the hitbox have different damage mulitplers

>>6199017
Really? that's interesting.. has anybody figured out how to take em down in one hit paris +?

>>6199016
>"non-lethal"
>murders robots
You're a real piece of shit, JC.

>>6199028
They ain't human so I have nothing to feel bad for..

>>6199037
You wouldn't save her?

>>6199028
I bet he also murders all those poor doors and security cameras.

>>6199042
It's not a matter of saving.. if it stands in my way of the ultimate goal I will eliminate it.

>>6198158
they have to be unaware to get the full stun, and the stun location for every enemy is the line of bilateral symmetry directly behind them (their spinal cord)

in the case of the stun baton, your melee weapon skill makes a difference but your augs do not, if you have max skill and hit the spine while they are unaware it will always work.

in terms of the non-lethal playthrough as a whole, the bigger manballs thing is to sneak through unknown and unobserved rather than knock everyone out

THAT BEING SAID

I suddenly really want to play this game is there any mod that adds a lot of secret shit to treasure hunt for? It's the only PC game I legally own that isn't free.

>>6199043
to be fair being able to oneshot security cameras with the pistol feels really nice

>>6199101
I can almost promise you they are unaware with all my saves to test this and I'm sure I hit them right in the spine!! I'll try again though.. you no your shit..you're right about avoiding them which I do but some instances like the maze guards and you steak behind them and save trying to figure it out.. man..

>>6199115
it's worth mentioning that you actually don't go for headshots with the stun baton, you have to hit the neck for it to work

>>6198158
deus ex came out after 1999, not retro

>>6199145
deus ex is an unreal 1 TC, is retro

>>6199145
This according to a 6 year old thread.

>>6198158
Have you leveled low tech?

>>6199135
sorry for the late reply but I didn't try the neck.. interesting i'll check that out

>>6199145
>>6199209
>>6199348
Plays on Windows 98 SE (which is a pre-2000s OS), meaning it is definitely retro.

>>6201250
Operating systems aren't platforms, champ.

If a PC game was released in the 2000's, it's not allowed here.

>>6201256
Pentium 3 PCs are a platform

>>6198158
>>6198947
Yes, prog them in the "belt" area.
Alternatively, you can gas them or poison dart them. But that will take a loooong time and raise the alarm.

>>6201310
>>6201250
Too bad mods are finickly with that. This is a consolefaggy board...

>>6201310
The rule for computer games is 1999 or older
Deus Ex is not retro
>>>/v/

>>6201320
but windows 98 came out in 1998

>>6201342
And Deus Ex came out in 2000. Not retro. Leave.

>>6201365
but the platform came out in 1998. I mean, we get threads about Majora's Mask and the Zelda Oracles games here and those games came out in 2000/2001.

>>6201375
See
>>6201320
Not. Retro.

>>6201378
I don't see an exception in the rules for computer games

Of course Dreamcast gets an exception for whatever reason. We need a /rpc/ board and we can just let this board to become a place to talk about crts and chinese handheld emulators.

>>6201256
Platforms are systems, and OSes are systems. Ergo, OSes are platforms. Windows 98 SE is retro.

>>6201320
>>6201378
That's not the rule. It's systems released before 2000, and Windows 98 SE is pre-2000s, so Deus Ex is retro.

>>6199101
>I suddenly really want to play this game is there any mod that adds a lot of secret shit to treasure hunt for? It's the only PC game I legally own that isn't free.
There's GMDX I guess, that adds some stuff

>>6201365
See >>6201485

>>6201485
For console games it goes by console release date. But PC games have always gone by game release date here. You'd know this if you weren't a newfag fresh from reddit.

>>6201501
This means that if they ever move the cut off up to 2006, Halo 3 would retro but Stalker wouldn't.

>>6201659
Who said the cutoff date will ever be changed? Lol.

>>6201680
Why don't you ask the car clubs.

>>6201680
Nobody, and it doesn't need to be. Stalker has active threads on /v/ and nobody gives a fuck about Halo anyway outside of smash rosterfags. I was just using them as examples for why the rules are dumb. PC games don't conform to console generations. Deus Ex is part of the same era of games as Thief and Half Life. Red Alert 2 and AoE2 are part of the same era of games as TibSun and Starcraft. I'm fine if /vr/ doesn't change though when we can just make a pc retro board with a 2003 cutoff and can discuss more than just games.

>>6201680
There shouldn't be date cut off, there should be an age cutoff of 15 years instead

>>6201691
The problem is, the "PC platform" is timeless, you could get away with talking about games from current year on /vr/ since they technically run on the PC which began in the '80s. So to stop this loophole the cutoff date is applied to PC game release dates instead.

>>6201709
>PS3, 360 and Wii games on /vr/
yeah, nah, fuck that.

>>6201710
>you could get away with talking about games from current year on /vr/ since they technically run on the PC which began in the '80s
This is just delusional

Hey guys! Did you know? I can run on Windows 98, a retro platform! So why aren't you making threads about me?

>>6201843
Not developed for 98 or pentium 3. Also shit franchise that even /v/ doesn't talk about.

>>6201843
This WoW, and HL2 are the reasons the cutoff would be 2003 on a pc retro board.

/vr/ has Diablo 2 thread with over 200 replies but we are told we can't have a Deus Ex or Thief 2 thread. Either we need consistent rules enforcement or we need our own board.

>all this impotent rage
You aren't mods and your whining doesn't matter.
Stay mad, faggots.

>>6199101
>in the case of the stun baton, your melee weapon skill makes a difference but your augs do not
I'm pretty sure you'll benefit from the combat strength aug like with any other melee weapon

>>6201501
I've been here for 2+ years (other boards since 2006 at the earliest, 2010 consistently). Reddit is gay, and so are your inconsistent rules. Pre-2000s Systems (including PC OSs and arcade boards) are the cutoff, never by a game-by-game basis, and those are the posted rules in the sticky. As another anon in this thread said, people talk about Diablo II (a Windows 95/98/SE game released post-2000) all the time here, and that's considered perfectly fine and retro, just like Deus Ex and others logically are, as well.

>>6201843
I think backports don't count. For example, Halo was released on a non-retro console before this PC release, so it doesn't count as retro, even though it plays on a retro OS (or, at least, any OTHER version of Halo besides this one ONLY is non-retro, meaning backports, alone, are /vr/ retro). Same thing for Cave Story which was originally released on XP but ported later to Dreamcast and Genesis.

>>6201928
You're right, and you make a good point about the Diablo II "exception." I'm a "boomer" that often make a big deal when something not retro is posted here, but we must be consistent. Good work, anon.

>>6198158
Man, I can't wait to play this once I finally fix my fucking PC.

The consistent rule is that Deus Ex, Thief 2 and Diablo 2 are for cool kids like us, and Halo is for reddit zoomer faggots. It's as consistent as it can get.

>>6201485
>That's not the rule. It's systems released before 2000, and Windows 98 SE is pre-2000s, so Deus Ex is retro.
awesome, now half-life 2 and Cowaduddy are retro, too.

>>6202021
>For example, Halo was released on a non-retro console before this PC release, so it doesn't count as retro,

THPS3:
PlayStation 2
NA: October 28, 2001
PlayStation
NA: October 29, 2001

Your move.

>>6201485
Cool, I'll make a battlefield 1942 thread and ffxi thread since they were released for Windows 98.

>>6198158
He me too, bought this game on steam years ago and finally decided to give it a go.
I'm at the Airforce Base now, really liking it.

Started the early missions by not killing anyone, but after I realized that it doesn't matter(?) I started killing people, silenced pistol to the face, 2-3 quick shots, or a silenced sniper.
Those commandos I think they take one sniper shot to the face and they are down, (with augmented rifles).

Try stealth, (crouching, not walking), also try to find alternative routes?

>>6202901
Also a trick I found out,
Crouch up to ones back, AND LITERALLY TOUCH THEM, until you can't walk anymore,
They won't react. This ensures the the minimal distance between you two. Then hit them. 100% guaranteed knockout with the electric shocker.
>this worked for humans, don't know about bionic commandos
I noticed this, because sometimes when I was shocking people, and I wasn't close enough it would not always work.

>>6202941
Cry more.

>>6202941
Based.

Mods, remove this non-retro thread like what's happened to DX threads in the past.

>>6198916
i've always had a feeling /vr/ opinions were trash

this just confirms it

>>6202941
Jesus christ, just hide the thread.
spastic.

>>6198158
>non lethal only.
literally no reason to do this outside of a couple dialogue changes in the first couple levels of the game

Lower back always worked for me with the commandos though with prod or baton

If you're in the versalife building already there are some non-hostile commandos you can practice on.

>>6202941

>>6202941
ahem, it clearly states computer games [...] on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier

>>6203104
then why doesn't it also say console games

>>6203069
>literally no reason to do this
What, you need the game to pat you on a back and give a big cake for not killing people? Oh no, role-playing as a humanist in a role-playing game! The horror!

>>6203138
It's not really a role playing game in that sense. If it was, it would acknowledge that you're not killing people more often. It's just a very boring and limited way to play, especially for your first time, because creeping up on people and prodding/batoning them is like all you'll be doing.

Non lethal only makes sense against based rebels. Who cares if some UNATCO agents, Majestic 12 and the literal Illuminati die.

>>6201714
>>PS3, 360 and Wii games on /vr/
>yeah, nah, fuck that.

Just because you don't feel personally nostalgic for them doesn't mean they shouldn't be called retro.

>>6202941
Note the year of the post.

Deus Ex, is similar to Thief, (similar graphics, and gameplay mechanics)
And Thief, (also Thief 2) are very much discussed here.
Thief 2 also came out in 2000.
So what makes Thief 2 acceptable and Deus Ex not?

>>6203157
noted
still not retro
>>>/v/

>>6203175
racism. everybody knows deus ex is 100% black.

>>6203146
why does the game need to validate your choices though? halfway through the game JC has already gone rogue and answers to no one

You yourself can have your own feelings about whether shooting a turbo narc probably serial killer for hire is less amoral than shooting terrorists trying to steal medicine for their families, but nobody actually has the power to bring consequence onto JC, but then

what is the point of only making moral decisions based on what consequences you face? you might as well just bitch out and be one of those cucks who lets muslims or freemasons fuck his wife for financial security, for all the good it does you in this world to judge morality by your own cost and benefit

The point is how our decisions transform the world around us. When you kill someone the impact is that person being dead and gone. You've made the world into a place where they don't exist and probably where their absence will be noticed. That consequence exists narratively, hypothetically, there may be people who are aware of JC's actions and cost him something unseen or unspoken within the scope of the game but figuratively inevitable if the story were to continue.

>>6199042
>her

>>6203272
>The point is how our decisions transform the world around us.
Yeah, and killing random soldiers doesn't in Deus Ex.
> That consequence exists narratively, hypothetically, there may be people who are aware of JC's actions and cost him something unseen or unspoken within the scope of the game but figuratively inevitable if the story were to continue.
Might as well just imagine yourself a whole game then. A role playing game's world is supposed to adapt to what you do or at least give you the illusion that it is. That's the entire point of them.

Insufferable people who complain about games like Thief 2 or Deus Ex not being retro deserve to have their cock and balls torn off.

>>6203146
>It's just a very boring and limited way to play, especially for your first time
If you come with a TDP background, then no, it isn't, and the fact that DX has a fully working mechanic for that is enough of an acknowledgment by itself.

>>6203968
>not shooting motherfuckers in the face with arrows
>not clubbing them unconscious and throwing them into the bottom of the nearest body of water
You weren't playing Thief properly.

>>6202691
Same thing I said before: the backport (Playstation 1, GBC, etc), only, is retro, but the PS2 original isn't.

>>6202941
Well, I got BTFO'd, but I will agree with the zoomers this one time and for this reason only that the rules are retarded. Why allow consoles ONLY to be acceptable based on platform, yet PC/arcade games are not based on platform? I don't think we should change the "pre-2000s" standard, but I do think we should make the rules more consistent by either 1. changing them to only allow console games from before 2000 or 2. changing the last three categories to be based on pre-2000s platforms (including OSs and arcade boards from before 2000) rather than on individual game releases, as is currently the case for console games.

>>6202941
>>6204248
I take back that I got BTFO'd. Anon, why the deceptively edited photo? There are three commas in the sticky post before it says "launched on PLATFORMS from 1999 or earlier"? You omitted that from your pic, either due to dishonesty or retardation. Deus Ex, Diablo II, and Thief 2 are ALL retro, according to the actual rules.

>>6201492
Leave.

>>6203154
cringe

>>6202941
NOOOO WHAT HAPPENED GUYS????

>>6199145
>>6201256
>>6201320
>>6201365
>>6201378
>>6202941
>>6203187

>>6204281
>before it says "launched on PLATFORMS from 1999 or earlier"?
1. that's not the order of words in the sticky, you demented retard
2. your desire to shitpost about non-retro games is so big you have lost reading comprehension ability
3. only word omitted was "and" which you can look up in the same screenshot, or the actual fucking sticky
4. "platforms" only applies to the last point ("other") otherwise it would grammatically make no sense for the other points
5. PC is not a uniform platform, you can't grade it like a console with "generations"
6. a Deus Ex thread can easily sustain itself on /v/, post one there (one posted a day ago had 250 replies)

>>6205250
1. that's not the order of words in the sticky, you demented retard
Copy/pasted directly from the sticky: "on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier", you lying piece of shit. Eat shit.
>2. your desire to shitpost about non-retro games is so big you have lost reading comprehension ability
I only want to talk about retro games here. Stop projecting.
>3. only word omitted was "and" which you can look up in the same screenshot, or the actual fucking sticky
Stop lying, you pathetic idiot. The pic split the last unit of speech (ie, "any forms of video games on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier") into two (ie, "any forms of video games on platforms" & "launched in 1999 and earlier") as a deceptive and desperate means to "prove" his claims.
>4. "platforms" only applies to the last point ("other") otherwise it would grammatically make no sense for the other points
You are retarded. The word "platforms" is not used until the end of the sentence, so it can ONLY apply to everything before it (unless you, by your "reasoning", believe that only "consoles", themselves, not the games on the consoles, are retro), as in "Retro gaming is [any game] on platforms launched in 1999 and earlier. Hence the three fucking commas.
>5. PC is not a uniform platform, you can't grade it like a console with "generations"
Hence judging the OSs as I already stated, you illiterate moron, and yes you can, by the year an OS was released. Same thing with arcade boards. This isn't rocket science.
>6. a Deus Ex thread can easily sustain itself on /v/, post one there (one posted a day ago had 250 replies)
Regardless, it, like Diablo II, was originally released for a retro platform (ie, pre-2000s OSs) and is therefore retro by /vr/ standards and may freely be discussed here, according to the rules. Inhale more salt or whatever, but the rules are the rules.

>>6199101
Played through at least 30 times currently playing through revisions and its nor bad. Try TNM if you havent already

>>6205628
Just take the L, my dude.

Current millennium PC games aren't nor will ever be retro.

>>6205651
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
>Retro gaming is platforms launched in 1999 and earlier.
Cope.

>>6205654
>>/vr/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=deus+ex&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=op&search_del=yes&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

See for yourself. Deus Ex threads would get deleted all the time in the past, proving mods don't think it belongs on this board, and that your argument is invalid.

>>6205665
>>6205693
So you're willing to destroy thie entire board because you can't read. Hope you're ready for the all the zoomer shitposting of "NOT RETRO. Only consoles, NOT console games, are retro. Look, it says so in my memepic of the sticky!"

The amount of this sort of shitposting (which is already getting very common) caused your illiterate inconsistency will lead to the mods fulfill the shitters' dream of "every 20 years, a new gen becomes retro", eventually making nothing retro, and this board permanently being a second /v/. Good job, idiots.

>>6205708
*caused by your; fulfilling

>>6205693
You're making up your own definition of "platform" right now! I guess "consoles" isn't a platform?

>>6205713
strawman

>>6205725
Just like your pic, you fucking idiot lol.

Stop posting Final Fantasy 9 threads.
Only 1-8 are considered retro.
I swear to god, I'm going to report them and spam the shit inside them

>>6206161
for console games the console matters (PS1 is retro)
for computer games the game matters (Deus Ex is not retro)

>>6206554
BuT iT RuNs On A ReTrO OpErAtInG SyStEm!!!!!

>>6206161
Tony Hawk Pro skater 3 is the last game that can be considered retro. It was the last game released on a retro console (N64)

>>6207078
THPS4 did come out on Playstation though. Along with 6th gen consoles.

HIT WITH THE PROD
PROD WITH THE PROD

>>6207049
Yes

Sup lads, heard you officially allow Win98 games here now, so let's talk about these retro games.

>>6207692
I'LL HAVE TWO NUMBER NINES

>>6207692
Is there any other character in a GTA that even comes close to Truth? I wish they made more missions for him

>>6207702
A NUMBER NINE LARGE

>>6198916
There's literally, unironically like 10 better games, tops.

>>6207736
sounds like you either
a) need to play more games
b) need to get better taste

>>6205708
>The amount of this sort of shitposting (which is already getting very common) caused your illiterate inconsistency will lead to the mods fulfill the shitters' dream of "every 20 years, a new gen becomes retro", eventually making nothing retro, and this board permanently being a second /v/. Good job, idiots.
What are people going to making games this year

>>6205651
Sure you autistic faggot.

>>6205708
What is the pr0ogression of time, faggot.

>>6205651
2000 is the last year of the previous millennium

>>6207692
>Morrowind requires the following:
>Windows 98/Me/2000/XP
By this thread's standards, Morrowind is a retro game. Let's have some Morrowind discussion!

I've been playing games for longer than most of posters here, including most of the retro games when they came out, including Deus Ex. I assure you, by the standards of when this board started early 2000 games are fucking retro, you're just gatekeeping, because you don't have hair on your peepee yet.

>>6207889
I'm in
Outlanders get out REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>6207049
Unironically this.

>>6198916
Like?

>>6207889
oh oh.

>>6205654
Two Win98-compatible games threads got deleted by the mods, so yeah, operating systems aren't considered "platforms" according to the rules.

>>6207889
>>6207951

>>6209217
And no console game is retro.

>Win98 games thread gets deleted
>Deus Ex thread still stays up
Why are our mods retarded?

>>6212250
We've had plenty of great Deus Ex threads before, and the only people who have a problem with it are the shitters who come here to play backseat moderator.

>>6205665
They get deleted because people turn video game thread into off topic shitposting, just like you're doing right now. Just read those archived threads through and see for yourself how there's barely any discussion about the game itself.

>>6205643
Seconding this. The Nameless Mod has a goofy-ass premise, but it's executed well and the level design is fantastic.

DAMMIT DENTON.

>>6207939
This revision shit is so soulless.