/vr/ - Retro Games

I had to offload my component-capable CRT during a move because it was just too big and too heavy to bring with me. Hopefully I can get another someday.

>>6171849
Which CRT is that? Curious

>>6171851
Trinitron Wega

>>6171853
Which one?

>>6171827
Lol the screen is as big as the case. Enjoy your worsening eyesight.

I keep my 20" CRT on top of one of the Ikea trolleys. Fits on perfectly, but being a BVM it doesn't have speakers and there's no room on the sides.

Any idea what speakers I should get for this setup? Most I can seem to find are really expensive bookshelf speakers, el cheapo Logitech PC ones, or those teeny bluetooth party speakers that probably have crappy and omnidirectional sound output.

Are medical sony pvms good?

Grab em while you can!
I work at a rubbish dump and used to throw out multiple every day now i barely see any

>>6171960
Got to the secondhand shop and pick whatever up for cheap that way you wont be disappointed

>>6171994
That's a good idea.
Thanks.

>>6171960
Any pc speakers with rca input and volume control.

>>6171960
Studio monitors because it's what the sound developers were using, same meme as having a BVM

Is it a good idea to use a pvm with modern consoles?

>>6172086
definitely, especially if you love the experience of being totally unable to read anything

>>6172086
Combining the two most retard things has got to produce good results.

>>6172086
if by modern you mean 6/7 gen and by pvm you mean multiformat, sure.

>>6171990
What the fuck, why the fuck didn't you nab any of them?

>>6171851
one for ants

>>6171827
I have 2x consumer Trinitrons, 2x VGA Trinitrons, and 2x PVMEME Trinitrons. I am set for life, I think. I know a medical reseller who has like 20 of the white PVMs for cheap.

Had to pay too much for one on ebay since I dont have a car and im definitely not hauling these beasts home on foot.
Cant complain about my 27 inch wega with component and s-vid though.

Id forgotten what a pleasure it is to watch 4:3 shows on the real deal.

>>6172836
You had a 27" CRT delivered? How did that work out? I tried to order a couple 14-20". The ones that made it were in original factory packaging with those huge Styrofoam pieces.

>>6172819
Sounds like you are overduing it.

>>6172819
Cool story

>>6172842
Lots of styrofoam, definitely not the original box.
The shipping cost was as outrageous as one would expect of a 75 pound piece of delicate electronics.
Came i good condition though.

>>6172843
>>6172846
So angry lmfao, enjoy your 16:9 lcd lag

>>6172819
ok?

MY CHOICE

>>6171827
Reminder that Scart is a perfectly acceptable option, and that you should use whatever cables you like and make sense for your personal setup.

>>6171827
You have over a decade to buy amazing crts for pennies. Why didn't you listen?

>>6173052
Scarts expensive in burger, only reason I dont use it
>>6173061
funny of you to think i havent

>>6171882
the Wega one

Don't fall for the scart meme.

>>6173094
Why would I? I'm an American, not some smelly europoor.

>>6173094
this

>>6173094
>>6173103
>>6173104

>>6173105
oi bruv you got a license for that scart switcher

>>6171849
I've got six different CRTs ranging from 14" to 27" and I'll have to move in a couple of months. If I keep a single one it'll probably be my 14L5.

>>6172854
What did you say you piece of shit? I'll have you know I have a prestine KV-27FV300 I bought new back in early 2000s.

>>6173246

>>6173250

>>6173252

>>6171827
So what was the catalyst? Was it really the Digital Foundry video or was it a steady rise? How does it get back down?

>>6173258
It never will. Look at IBM Model M's. You could get them for free in the mid 2000s. By 2010 they cost a pretty penny. Now they're edging on $100.

>>6173258
Being out of production worldwide for nearly fifteen years will do that, although I'm sure DF didn't help.
Of course if you're just looking for any trashy CRT you can still find them being given out, and if you're in the UK where RGB was standard that's fine, but not quite in burgerland if you're looking for a good one where they're quickly becoming known as a hot item for retro game collectors.

Unless a new type of display is made that can display old consoles and shows just as well as the old tv's they were made for, there is no going back down in price.

I never come to this board but this thread is autisticly intriguing me
what are the best mini-crt tv's like in OP's pic to look for?

>>6173271
That's kind of ridiculous considering Unicomp but purists are purists. I would not hesitate to buy a new CRT from some Trinitron spinoff company if they were still available but I guess that purists would still exist that would hoard their Trinitrons and refuse to accept the reality the spinoff is not that different.

>>6173276
There's nothing on the horizon for exactly what CRT had but I think it's hard to argue against stuff like microLED on the horizon which is what a supercharged SED would've been but even middle of the road technology like OLED that is out right now with older used models still haven't breached below the $500 mark, and only a few models were below the $1k mark.

>>6171827
If you actually want a PVM you deserve those prices.

>>6173279
Any 13 inch sony trinitron

>>6173282
Unicomp creates the latest iterations of buckling spring keyboards. Older models were made using different methods, and have different characteristics, such as plastic quality and what have you.
The differences are subtle, but if you ever had two different generation Model Ms you can tell.

>>6173316
Keyboards are not CRTs.
There's a slew of specialised manufacturing equipment and hazardous chemicals (on top of skilled labour and expensive raw materials) involved in the production of CRTs. There's also a finite amount of demand for them, given it's a teensy market of dweebs that'd want them, and then only want another when their first breaks.

There is no way it'll ever be economically viable to produce CRTs again.

>>6173279
Retard.

>>6172819
Email or contact so I can contact for buy?

>>6173331
There's lots of shitty chinese CRTs floating around. But they're likely all in China, and the shipping rates would be absurd.
They were producing them brand new into the early 2010s at least.
https://www.cnet.com/news/china-wont-let-the-crt-die/

>>6173371
Back to /v/ faggot.

>>6173279
Search "portable PVM". Try to get one that has S-video, component, or RGB.
OP looks like it's 6-8 inches, maybe even less. Dunno what the dimensions of a CD case are diagonally, but if you have one around you can use that to get some idea how tiny it is.

>>6173384
Also a retard. “What’s the best x” posts are pure shit. Just google it dumbfuck.

>>6172083
>>6172015
I'm down a rabbit hole now.

>>6173425
>google about a niche hobby and expect reliable results
fuck off faggot

>>6173449
>pvmemes
>niche
Retard.
lmgtfy.com/?q=best+sony+pvm+small

>>6173445
Don’t think you’ll need a way to control volume huh

>>6173449
Yeah, about that...

>>6173468
They have volume controls on the units, but you're right that's probably inconvenient.

any canada bros wanna tell of some good spots to look for pvm/bvm's?
not gonna pay $100 shipping for a meme

>>6173271
This is funny, because I bought my Model M new in the box off Kijiji for $40 in 2011. My Masters prof picked up a dozen or so in the 1990s when people were throwing them out en masse for "quiet click" keyboards. Now the damn things are at least $100. If I had to replace mine for any reason, I would definitely get a Unicomp- no reason to be paying that kind of money for a used, crusty, worn-out keyboard.

Based on my experience, the same shit happened to CRTs. In 2009, I got my Viewsonic P815 off Craigslist when someone posted it as "if you can carry, it's free". It came in the original box with all the manuals and software. Still have it and it works great. In early 2011, one of the labs in my university was throwing out an HP A7217A (rebranded Sony GDM-FW900). I checked the eBay prices and they were around $200 at the time, I figured I scored a minor win. After I built my 2500k desktop, that became my main monitor for the next several years. In 2013, I came across a yard sale where an older couple who were retiring from their video production business were selling off some PVMs. I got a PVM-8044Q (one of the tiny 8" ones) for $20, because that is all I could fit in my room at the time, but they had a couple of larger ones too. They weren't too expensive, only $40-$60. I didn't really know what they were, and I still kick myself for not grabbing one while I could.

Recently, something blew up in my HP. Replacement is out of the question. The damn things are now a thousand bucks or more. Looking at similar replacements on eBay is a joke, they're all $200+ for a basic Trinitron tube. Some guy locally was trying to sell a Sun GDM-5410 with severe burn-in for $100. I found a shop that's willing to repair CRTs, but it's a 5-hour round trip from where I live, and I would need to drop it off and pick it back up a few weeks later. Still, the repair would cost way less than replacing it. That's how bad the CRT monitor situation is.

>>6173587
>Canada
Top kek, silly maple leaf. Wanna a PVM? Gotta go through American markets.

>>6173445
Oh you don't have to go that expensive

JBL LSR305, they are something like $200-$300 a pair

Micca PB42X, not monitors but good for $100 pair if you are poor. They need a small room and a wall behind them though, probably best for any small speaker really.

>>6173587
There was a guy in Toronto who sold one on Kijiji for $100 back in December. Just watch the Classifieds, they come up every now and again at decent prices.

I also saw a Nokia 445 Pro a little while ago, was pretty pissed that I missed out on that.

Well, /crt/, have you?

I've got a couple of BVM1416P's, always looking for something bigger. If you really one one, import one from Japan from Yahoo jp. Shipping's expensive, but thankfully and very strangely, Sony BVMs are all multi-voltage, unlike just about any other Japanese market electrical thing. They usually include a photo with its running hours too.

Bought a new Dell e771mm monitor to play my Dreamcast in VGA since my pvmemes don't support it. Looks good though I'm overdoing it with 3 crt monitors and a flat screen in my room.

>>6173941
Before anyone else starts bashing your setup, I personally really like it for some reason. It's clean and simple. Nice job.

>>6173983
Thanks, anon. I gotta clean the crap off the floor and put my controllers and games on the shelf but I appreciate it. Don't have much extra space so I did what I could.

>>6174002
Where did you cop that black shelf though?

>>6174015
Got it off Amazon, search Amazon Basics 3 shelf shelving storage unit. Should be like $35.

>>6171960
Get a proper wood shelf.
Every time I see one of these being used for TV's I get disgusted.
So uncomfy.

>>6174025
Noice
>>6174032
Pffftt... wood is for old people.

>>6174037
>for old people
So are CRTs.

>>6173445
Funny, I'm repairing my M-Audio Studio Monitors for my new set up.

>>6174136

>>6174141
Nice Walmart screwdriver set.

What are some decent and cheap component cables for the SNES? Would buying a scart cable and a transcoder I could use for multiple systems be more cost effective?

>>6173425
I'm sorry your reading comprehension is so bad that you can't tell the difference between the phrase "what's the best" and "portable PVM". LOL

>>6173684
Hipsters and high cost of shipping ruined CRTs. Look at the prices of an FW900 the next time you see one on eBay, easy $1000+ ask price.

>>6174262
HDretrovision

>>6174141
What's the PVM?

what do you guys like of black and white pvm's?

>>6173094
>he doesn't have a scart to component converter to take out the best image from the console and use it on any TV

14" BVM

>>6174730
where did you get it?

>>6174737
Does it matter?
Poland for $30

>>6174737
But I'm gonna tell you, its fucking bad for 480i. Eyes are bleeding
BVM-14MDE

>>6173371

Never heard of that company

>>6174756
You sound like a little bitch.

>>6174926
No, its seriously bad at 800 lines

rate and hate.

>>6174935
loving the wood

i currently have only a shitty single room apartment and no space for a crt sadly

i will move out in a few months and hope to get one for my retro games, the only i do have started to have these weird purple-ish smears coming from the middle of the screen (or something like that, i don't quite remember)

hope that i can still get one or two here in germany

>>6174935
Really cool. Does it at least have composite?

>>6174935
>Cowhide

>>6174935
is this devil forks only?

> my model m
$1.50 at thrift store

> my sony trinitron
$15 at thrift store

You are doing it wrong.

>>6173282
>hat's kind of ridiculous considering Unicomp but purists are purists.

None of the Unicomp keyboards have a modular jack. I'd be willing to pay maybe $300 (I'd wouldn't hesitate to buy multiple keyboards at $200) for a new, buckling spring keyboard with a modular jack, PS/2 connector, key caps, and an old-style Model M form factor.

>>6174949

No composite, though I would like a less unwieldy model one day.

Humble brag, I picked it up from a guy who owned the TV since the early 80's for no cost. He had no idea what I could ever see in the thing. Nearly broke both of our backs getting it inside. I sent him thanks, and it's now my DC/SNES machine.

Hopefully it will last a long time.

>>6174998
you should adjust the colour, dude. it looks incredibly off.

>>6175004
>colo"u"r

>>6175004

It’s 38 years old my dude.

>>6174998
The Sony Trinitrons from Japan's golden age of manufacturing last forever. I have an uncle who bought a Trinitron television in 1971 or so and it still works even today. It does need a degaussing, though.

Any guide for calibrating a PVM's geometry and colors?

>>6175046
Other than swapping out the convergence strips? No.

>>6171986
They are the same exact as all other pvms, just different exterior

>>6175046
replace all e caps

>>6174396
What the fuck are you on about you retarded faggot? That anon literally asked “what are the best mini-crt tv's like in OP's pic to look for?” and I posted a link to google essentially that. Jesus Christ these threads suck shit.

>>6172007
Make sure you get proper shielded speakers or you will damage ur bvm

>>6175159
You'll be missed :^)

>>6175157
Any guides on doing that?

>>6175169
Depends on the model but try to find a service manual, and then it should have all the e caps listed somewhere. Then you can try to make your own list and order them online. I did that for one of my jvc monitors.

>>6175162
You shouldn't keep your speakers that close to the BVM anyway. Space them out a bit.

>>6175173
Thats true, i heard at least like a foot or two away.

>>6174141
neat chair, where'd ya get it? also the BVM is pretty cool I guess

>>6175172
I see. Thanks. Do PVMs give you the same risk of being zapped as normal consumer sets?

kek, why are there so many angry people on this board?

Should I go pick this up as a backup?
It's free.

>>6175246
does it have s-video or component? if not is not worth it!

>>6175246
Hell yeah

>>6175242

pure jealousy

Is it trinny-tawn or trin-eye-tun?

>>6175167
Can’t admit you were wrong and just confirmed that you’re complete retard? Gotcha. I’m not going anywhere btw.

>>6175205
Yeah, make sure you discharge it first. I made a discharge tool by soldering some insulated copper wire to a flathead screwdriver and then on the other end of the wire i soldered on some wire hook to hook to ground. Just look up how to make and use discharge tool and you will probably find something.

>>6175276
Wrong about what schizo? I told anon to Google "portable PVM".

>>6175279
Thanks a bunch.

>>6175282
Lmao god damn you are a retard

>>6175316
Holy shit take your meds. How can someone be "wrong" about telling someone to Google something?
Just google it dumbfuck.

>>6175242
>>6175259
this.
they missed the train and they're mad

>>6175029
I've worked on sets of that age and adjusted the colour on them just fine. There should be individual pots for the drive and possibly even gain of each colour. Look on the back and see if there's holes for them, otherwise take the back panel off and check the neckboard.

>>6175272
trin-uh-tron

Can anyone identify this CRT and how to get to its service menu? I've looked all around it and cant find anything resembling a model number aside from a patent code. It has component, s-video and composite input in the back, input in the back and is sized around 32 inches.

>>6174998
Now that's what I call comfy.

>>6174998
That's such a cool set.

>>6175173
BVM cases are shielded. They're literally designed to be stacked in close proximity to other elextronic equipment that generates magentic fields. Most bookshelf speakers are shielded, too.

>>6174998
No VCR? I also agree with that other anon, your color seems a bit off, unless it's just the photo making it look that way. Comfy, otherwise.

Can someone please help me with some sort of beginner's buying guide so I can nab a Sony Trinitron PVM at an affordable price? The market for these fuckers are ridiculous.

>>6175670
That's interesting to learn. Still though, even bookshelf speakers aren't really designed to be placed so close together.
Then again if all you're doing with it is playing old vidya, it certainly won't add much to have the speakers placed further apart either.

What does PVM & BVM stand for?

>>6175671
You are literally the reason for this market

>>6175671
anything over $100 is you being ripped off

>>6175680
What the fuck is that supposed to mean?

>>6175676
Professional Video Monitor
Broadcast Video Monitor

>>6175671
Use a time machine.

>>6175673
>if all you're doing with it is playing old vidya, it certainly won't add much to have the speakers placed further apart either.
t. someone who has never actually heard a good sound system.

There's a lot of deliberate sound design, depth, and stereo separation even going as far back as 4th gen systems. 5th gen stuff has plenty of CD-quality audio, and some Playstation games even have "wide stereo" modes you can enable. Don't know why everyone in this hobby is such a pleb when it comes to audio.

>>6175697
Where can I buy those?

>>6175701
Then why would I be telling someone to properly place their speakers?
If all you're playing are 2D games from the 16-bit and 8-bit era stereo effects are negligible.

>>6175697
Time machines that go backwards in time are purely fiction. All we could do is go further forwards, unfortunately.

>>6175718
Holy fuck, are you serious?!?!

>>6175727
The other anon was right, faggot. Only way to avoid this is to assume closed spacetime loops, but you would only ever be in one, so it's a cycle, not time travel.

>>6175670
Gross, shaders literally look better.

>>6175697

The market for those is even more ridiculous

>>6171986
They're equivelant to their non medical counterparts except they may come with a splash shield.

>>6175671
You can get them under $200 here and there. If that's the going rate, nothing you can do. I still don't see the big deal with these. You can get a 27" or 32" for next to nothing. 14" is way too small and the scanlines look like shaders.

Is there a place where i can stop being technologically illiterate so i can know about this stuff. I want to be a videophile but dont know anything

>>6175801
People here knee-jerk reaction to people wanting to get into stuff like CRTs by blaming them for the hike of prices and other stuff that's affected the hobby lately. If you come here explaining why you want one, what you know and what you want to know people will be probably be accomodating. It's the people that come here asking basic information about their PVM they recently bought for £££s without knowing even what a composite signal is that people are really up in arms about.

>>6175801
Yeah same. Most of the stuff I know comes from MLiG and these threads.

>>6175710
>If all you're playing are 2D games from the 16-bit and 8-bit era stereo effects are negligible.
If you're deaf, maybe. It isn't even about stereo effects, a wider soundstage will create more immersive audio, even if it's mono.

>>6175925
Soundstage is a stereo effect. Using two speakers with a mono signal just creates a phantom mono speaker between them.

is it worth it to get a pvm / bvm if I just want to play ps1,ps2,n64 and game cube?

>>6175980
It's worth it to just get any decent CRT. PVMs are only "good" because they are the easiest to tinker with and have pretty good picture quality out of the box. If you're unsure then look around on craigslist/letgo/whatever else to find a nice CRT with component input and you'll probably be fine with the quality.

How common is it to be able to access a service menu with a universal remote?
I'm this guy >>6175382 and found out it's a panasonic CT-32D32. I was thinking of buying this (https://www.amazon.com/Universal-Replacement-CT-32D32FF-CT-32D32UF-TC-L50EM60/dp/B01HRM02JM/ref=mp_s_a_1_1_sspa?keywords=CT-32D32&qid=1580709845&sr=8-1-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFPRjFPOVZRUFpWMDkmZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTA3MzMwMDYzSzQ2WUZGRFcxSjJYJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA5Mzk1NDhER0FOSzFTV0IyV1gmd2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9waG9uZV9zZWFyY2hfYXRmJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==)) but looking at a few guides it doesnt have the required buttons labeled.
Any help?

>>6176408
get logitech harmony remote instead, you can remap the buttons on the computer.

>>6176437
A bit expensive looking online. Any decent place to source an original for the Panasonic?

>>6176441
you can find the older harmonies for cheap on ebay, you dont need the newer ones at all.

>>6171853
>>6171827
Dude that thing is so small it's cute. Fuck I kinda want one that small

>playing on a 10 inch screen unironically just for muh scan lines

>>6176670
you wouldn't get scanlines on a 10" screen you fucking retard

>not playing mobile games on your CRT

>>6171827
zoomer here, what are some of the best models to use with a PS1? I think I'm gonna need to replace the one I have been using for a couple of years now. Just today it started doing these incredibly annoying ringing noises. It's fucking unbearable. I still feel kinda dizzy from hearing them. as you could tell, I know jackshit about these things.

>>6176670
small screens have superior geometry
that is their only pro

>>6176680
Damn that looks bad, you can barely even read the smaller fonts without straining your eyes. You don't actually play like that, right?

>>6171827
>metal gear

I mean, what else would you make a gear out of?

>>6176705
It's hooked up like a lightgun game for stylus inputs.
But yeah only sometimes. Better in motion, obviously.

>>6176696
Hunting for specific models usually isn't sensible unless you actually need some rare feature. See what you can find first then compare.

Remember in wrestling back in the day where they would use the monitors as weapons? Or rip them out of the announcer's desks so they could put people through the table?

I have an old pc with a 7-pin svideo tv out which I'd want to use as a dedicated emulator machine. What's the best way to connect it to a composite tv?

>>6177180
That tvout will only do 480i. They should make a 7pin out to composite for it. The pinouts can vary based on card manufacturer though.

I use this with my crt and honestly, I cant stand 480i. I prefer playing at 480p on a 4:3 lcd.

>>6173445

Don't drive studio monitors using a series of frankenstein adapters and the RCA outs on a retro console, dude. Just don't bother. That's the audio equivalent of running your PVM from RF.

Just get some regular ass Creative or whatever 2.1 speakers. Studio monitors do not fit your use case unless you somehow have your console modded for high-fidelity audio and you're running it through a high grade receiver/amplifier, and even then I wouldn't recommend it.

Studio monitors are not designed to sound "nice", they're designed to sound accurate, and are very fatiguing. I have a pair hooked up to my PC for audio mixing, and I have them turned off in favour of my headphones most of the time. They're not pleasant for general use, because they are accurate enough to betray how badly mixed most audio is.

>>6173094
Why not I use scart on all my systems I'm not gonna use composite

>>6177239
RGB-BNC is vastly superior to scart.

>>6177242
Ok a connector that is only on extortionate 10'' video production monitors and not a standard on every regular CRT

Wow, I come back to /vr/ for the first time since like 2015 and the "SCART is a meme" meme is still here? Fucking hell this place is a time capsule.

(Or is it just that one Yank who's still jelly after all these years?)

>>6176680
That's fucking disgusting

>>6177245
>>6177318
this "scart is a meme" thing is for americans in which case it damn well is a meme and you should use bnc since you'll be dealing with bnc connectors in the end anyways. obviously it's not a meme if you're european, quit being fucking stupid.

Is it possible to hook up a console to this?

>>6177646
No it's imposisble. you found a useless pvm.

Look up what a bnc adaptor is. Or better yet find a s-video cable for the console you want.

>>6177646
You live under a fuckin' rock or somethin'? It's called a converter.

>>6177646
s-video or rca composite to bnc adapter

>>6177646
Yeah like this.

>>6177787

>>6177646
like this

Eyeing a Toshiba set, any good? Later model (2003) with component.

>>6178228
MODEL NUMBER?

>>6178236
27A43

>>6178238
definitely get it, those a great sets.

>>6178238
>>6178238
go for it!

Damn, my sync separating circuit doesn't work and I can't figure it out

>>6174398
I wonder what the ask-bid spread is on those, though. Like people can be asking that kind of money all day long, but it doesn't mean there are a lot of people willing to pay for it. And if you are in business, then you're an idiot if you let a CRT screen sit in inventory for 2 years taking up valuable floor space that could be used on higher turnover products, just because you wanted to get $1000 instead of $500.

But yes, I know the ridiculousness of the situation. As I said, I went to replace my FW-900 HP rebrand and was greeted with $1k+ prices. If you don't factor in the cost of my time (10 hours total), it's cheaper for my to pay gas for ~950km (~590 miles) of total driving AND pay someone $150+ to repair the damn thing. Also on the hipster front, apparently it's now "cool" to have burn-in. What the fuck is up with that?

>>6175246
Sure, consumer Trinitrons are still pretty good as long as they have S-video. For most people, it's not worth it to pay the outrageous hipster taxes on a PVM/BVM

>>6175751
These things actually used to be really affordable because nobody wanted them. I picked up my 8" PVM for $20 in 2013 and the 13"/14" ones were being sold at the same yard sale for $60. eBay prices at the time were hovering around the same level, which is probably where these people got the idea to price theirs. I actually kind of got ripped off because businesses were literally throwing them out and people were picking them up for nothing. I got the idea off a one-time thread on /a/ of all places (I think it was in January or February, you could probably look it up in the archives). Some dude just had a really oddball looking CRT, and that day I discovered the Sony PVM. Only a small number of people seemed to know about them, and they never really shilled them. Nothing like today where there are several Reddit communities devoted to this shit, along with tons of Youtubers making half-hour long videos extolling the virtues of the CRT.

>>6178638
Meant to respond to >>6175671

>>6172627
7th gen sure, but 6th gen isn't quite modern. You can't even use digital signals on them outside of S-Video.

>>6178820
6th gen has component and all of them are capable of 480p and in some cases higher. I think you're getting generations mixed up and have your numbers shifted one up.

>>6174262
a separate transcoder is probably better if you want to use more than two consoles. compare what adapters they make for the HD retrovision cable to the consoles you ever intend to use.

>>6173941
Dreamcast looks better on a CRT monitor than a CRT TV?

>>6178997
The vast majority of games support 480p over VGA, which most people would consider inherently better than 480i.

You guys've already talked about it a little bit but I just got a broadcast CRT and I'm wondering what sort of audio setup would complement it (PVM has only mono output, I think, which is not great).
I looked into speakers since apparently DJ monitors are a bad choice but if the speakers seem pricey the stereo amplifiers they require are in another world (the """budget""" recommended option was some cambridge audio thing worth like 1500 AUD). I've only used PC speakers my whole life and I wouldn't mind investing in a stepup if there's a world of detail I've been missing, but that's just obscene. Are there options that wont break the bank?

>>6179127
An old hifi from a thrift store is your best best. They tend to be well shielded, cheap and sound good. Look for late 80s/early 90s stuff ideally.

>>6171827
Is this a good CRT to get for free? I'm wanting to use it with retro consoles like PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube.

>>6179342
no

>>6179342
Sort of. It's an HDTV so older consoles will look bad. Some PS2, Xbox and GC games run at 480p so if you had the right setup to do that it could look really good for those. If you don't know what you're doing I wouldn't bother.

>>6179342
But according to the no-fun boomers around here, PS2, Xbox and Gamecube aren't retro and never will be.
I don't see why not if you plan to use it on those specific consoles, though it won't make anything older look very good.
Top of the line model back in its heyday from what I've read.

>>6179127
just use your dj monitors. they'll be fine and better than any pc speakers I'm sure.

>>6179432
not really worth it for 480p either.

>>6171827
the Sylvania 6420FE works well for me.
except if you are playing dreamcast on it.
text and menus will usually be too small.

>>6171827
what model is this and how can i obtain it as soon as possible

>>6179342
Yes. Pretend crt fans would tell you no. The few issues they have are invalidated when considering the alternatives.

>>6179342
They're pretty nice for later gen shit too if you don't mind it running at 1080i
I've had surprisingly good results with an EDTV LCD for 6th gen. It's basically perfect for them and nothing else

>>6178043
god I hate this fucking image

>>6180117

>>6176680
Get the fuck out of /vr/.

s3&k running thru composite because that's what my 32x outputs

>>6180613
Very nice. This is what 240p should look like, not that 25% video 75% blank meme zoomers chase after.

>>6179342
these sets have great audio and build quality. the much maligned digital processing can be turned off on most models. they have a great number of input options too. get it before someone else does (as long as it's in good condition).

>>6180613
that looks horrible

>>6180745
yeah well it's not like i'm gonna mod my 32x to do s video

are all VGA CRT monitors theoretically capable of doing adaptive sync if nvidia/amd wrote the driver for it?
god all I want is to emulate without audio distortion

>>6180809
If you're talking about adaptive sync as in GSYNC/FreeSync no because the relays in the monitor would wear out within a minute or two. Also the sync detector took at least a second to lock on to the signal. You'd need specialized CRT driver electronics that can run the tube at variable framerates seamlessly.

>>6180858
oh okay
what exact refresh rate do NTSC SNES games run at?
if I make a custom EDID for my CRT monitor to that exact refresh rate, I won't experience tearing or frame drops while emulating right?

>>6180870
59.9400599402 Hz
Just set it to 60.

>>6180890
why would I not set it to 59.94

>>6180897
If your GPU lets you go ahead. 59.94 is some fucked up shit that only really applies to interlaced video. That said if you care this much about accuracy just get a SNES with Everdrive to play on a TV.

>>6179710
I don't have anything but an old set of Altec Lansing speakers. If I'm investigating dj monitors they'd be a new purchase, but per the conversation above I thought they didn't play nice with the weak audio fidelity produced by stock consoles?
Contemplated doing the toslink mod to my SNES and GameCube, but I'm not great at soldering and probably even worse at possibly needing to cut into the case.

>>6179328
Anything I should look for, in terms of brand or models?

>>6180902
>just get a SNES with Everdrive to play on a TV.
thanks for the recommendation but keep it to yourself in the future thanks

>>6180936
Any hifi from that period made by one of the big japanese companies is your best bet, same with CRTs themselves. Sony, Panasonic, JVC, Pioneer but also stuff like Philips and B&O.

>>6180998
Good luck finding B&O gear at thrift stores.

>>6181015
I'm in the UK but I've found several sets of speakers and a fair few actual hifis in stuff like Cash Converter. It's not super uncommon.

>>6180890
I think snes runs out of spec at like 60.09

>>6180998
>>6181015
Looking for Japanese brands makes sense.
Thanks. Time to hit up Cashies and hope some dumb bogan pawned a stolen hifi setup which I can pick up cheap.

GOT ME A BIG QUASAR TV with s video

>>6181109
s video looks like THAT?
dame I thought it was RGB

>>6181112
A-Video is really close to RGB in terms of quality. It can be quite nice

>>6176696
Get a Trinitron with an S-Video port and an S-Video cable for your PS1.

>>6181112
No this is regular AV output/composite imma buy an S video cable sarcastic bastard

I'm confused now
so this >>6181109 isn't S-Video?
is this >>6181128 S-video?

>>6181121
I got the monster brand ones for ps1 / 2 and they look great, just looked up the nintendo equivalent and they're selling for 100 bucks on ebay
holy shit

>>6181131
Don't join in on the autism.

>>6181212
I am just going to assume this >>6181109
is S-video
and this >>6181128 is composite

I have an opportunity to get a 9" Sony PVM-9L2 for 40 Canadabux ($30 freedomdollars) The picture is good apparently, based on some of the photos I've seen. The only issue seems to be that the external casing has some cosmetic damage, so I don't know if this has been dropped at some point. I'm fine with the size since I'm looking to put it into a fairly small space, and I already have a 19" NEC Accusync 900 PC monitor.

Should I go for it? Seems like a decent deal considering eBay prices are 3 times as much.

>>6181279
i'll buy it I live in toronto

>>6181279
>that bottom left damage
I would never buy that shit

>>6181284
It's just part of the case cracked off. Sure you have some exposed guts but if it works it works. Just don't stick your finger in there.

>>6181310
still a dealbreaker
I will take it for free though if it was like 2 miles away from me

>>6181279
a bit more than I'd want to pay. it's basically an 8042 with digital shit tacked on. you could probably find an 8045 for a similar price if you look hard enough and it's 450tvl vs the 250tvl of the 9l2.

>>6181282
Nah your taxes are fucked. I wouldn't want to screw you over with your "free" healthcare.

>>6181284
Autists don’t like the wabi-sabi.

>>6181279
It’s fine, honestly. $30 is a good price for those, but it is just a so-so deal due to the cosmetic damage. That’s only $10 more than I paid for mine years ago (but it was in FLAWLESS condition, this one needs some work) Don’t rely on eBay prices, they are completely stupid.

>>6181350
>wabi-sabi
biggest cope

>>6180998
Can vouch for JVC units, high quality shit that can give the lower end Sonys a run for their money.

>>6181356
How is it cope when nobody’s bought anything?

>>6171853
those things are so fucking heavy. I had to do the same with a KV-32 two years ago. From then on, my policy is 27" max size. It's not worth the hassle of anything bigger.

>>6181395
bigger than 27" is when the scamlionz really pop on consumer CRTs
32 inch S-video masterrace
also 32 inchers are only 80 pounds lol?

>>6180613
Lookin good

>>6181448
Am I the only one here who prefers a solid image without distinct scanlines?

>>6181463
I unironically like how retro games look on emulators with no shaders

>>6181470
Same, but only if it's integer scaled. Thankfully RetroArch does just that so you get a nice crisp image.

>>6181223
They're both composite

>>6181474
yes, has to be integer scaled
checking the aspect correction feature on BSNES is acceptable

>>6181212

>>6181478
they look different

How would you go about making a portable handheld gaming device using a real CRT?

My idea would be to mod a portable CRT television into a new case with the controls on the top and bottom of the device, and you would hold it sort of like a sandwich using the tips of your fingers to press buttons on the top, and your thumb resting either on a d-pad on the bottom or perhaps a neo-geo pocket style microswitch thumbstick. It might take a little getting used to.

>>6181516
are you underaged or something?

>>6181516
You're the first anon to make me cringe & kek at the same time. Please don't do that. You're going to look like a straight imbecile doing such a thing.

Or maybe the CRT could be removed from the case and inserted into a new case with the buttons on the face on either side of the CRT so the orientation feels natural and you can use both thumbs, but then grips on either side allow you to hold the device like a pair of binoculars.

>>6177239
Scart is only retarded if you're outside Europe. The connectors aren't on their TV's, so they end up fucking around with soldering irons.

If you're in Europe, Scart is a no-brainer because it's cheap and effortless RGB that the majority of TV's, even new ones, will accept.

>>6181527
I think it can be made to look good and perform well with a little of thinking about it. And it's probably best to be sort of conservative with considering what kind of games can really be played on such a device with a tiny CRT. Cropped 8-bit games to compensate for the lower resolution of this type of CRT (I don't think they can resolve 240 lines) and emulated handheld games might work well.

>>6181532
le 50 hz post

>>6181547
Gameboy Color games would be something to look at first.

Or maybe something could be done with a mirror like you see on some arcade cabinets. This way you could possibly maintain a fairly normal form factor with the device being held like a large gameboy.

Here is a video of a 1.5" CRT playing Sonic the Hedgehog 2
https://youtu.be/YR8ovV2iWzs

>>6171827
I can't stand the high pitched sound of CRTs. Wat do?

>>6181554
get an headphone amp
listen to your games through headphones

>>6181554
Lose some hearing, us old farts can't hear high frequency hum anymore.

>>6181279
Fuck that looks bad, you're going to pay for it? Hahahaha.
Make sure you pay for the repair too.

>>6181596
h-how do I learn moonrunes enough to understand Earthbound?

>>6181559
>>6181569
Well, thanks for the advice

>>6181603
Same as everyone.
Pick up a textbook and get to grinding.

>>6181610
I don't think that is an effective method of learning languages

>>6181548
La s-video cope post

Our tvs accept 60hz no trouble, do yours accept rgb?

>>6179874
fuck off retard do you even read the thread before posting

>>6181554
Noise cancelling headphones?

>>6174991
>modular jack
What advantage does the modular jack have over PS/2 or USB? Compatibility with a particular piece of hardware you want to use?
Mostly just asking out of curiosity, currently I'm working on intercepting and manipulating the output of a very weird pre-1990 keyboard of mine, by catching the output from the A/T connector with a microcontroller before sending it along to the computer.

>>6181603
>>6181619
Not the guy you asked, but don't ask for somebody's advice on how to do something and then reject the advice they give you because it conflicts with your uninformed opinion.
A textbook is a legitimate way to begin learning a language. It won't get you all the way there, but it'll get you started. It's up to you to do the real grinding later on.
t. passed N1 in 2018 after 2 years of study

>>6180151
one of those audio "inputs" is an output so you've plugged an input into an output. also what is that I need it.

>>6174141
What Viewsonic is that at the edge of the desk?

>>6180998
How are the JVC PVM monitors? I have an opportunity to pick up a TM-A130SU for $40 and a smaller TM-A9UCV for $20. I have a good CRT monitor, but my TV is a really shitty 13" Toshiba TV/VCR combo. It's kind of entertaining for the period factor but crap at doing anything else, so I feel literally anything would be an improvement, but I can't find anything small enough to fit in the space I want.

>>6182956
As good if not better than their Sony counterparts.

>>6182956
Another $100 for the RGB card.

>>6182970
What are the reasons for that? Wouldn't the Sony Trinitrons have better picture quality?

I'm intrigued if that is the case, because it's basically an opportunity to have a Sony PVM for 1/5 of the usual price.

>>6183002
They have a comparable number of TV lines, so sharpness is very similar. They don't use aperture grill technology like Trinitrons do but I'd argue on average they have better colour and look slightly sharper. I've had a few experiences with both and honestly the JVC sets are too sharp for my eyes, but superior on paper and if you're chasing scanlines. Quite a few manufacturers made professional sets that were on par or better than Sony.

>>6182975
you can make one....

>>6182975
Those models don't use the card

Anyone know why it keeps doing this? Seems completely random whether it glitches or not.

>>6183359

>>6183363
must be an issue with your gpu or the dac. what are you using to plug it in?

>>6183371
>>6183363
Given that it appears to be a Windows 98 machine, I would imagine that there is no external DAC. However, this is definitely not an analog issue. There's most likely a problem with the graphics card.

>>6183373
The graphics card has a dac too you know.

>>6183371
GPU is in a PCIe port. 4 pin power connector. Nothing else going in or out.

>>6183376
Whoops. Forgot to specify its VGA.

>>6174935
I thought the 3 circular reflections near the top were cracks in he glass. Was wondering how the fuck a CRT would break in such a way

>>6183375
Most would consider a problem with the DAC on the graphics card to be a problem that is part and parcel with the graphics card itself.

>>6183376
>>6183380
It's the card. Get a new one, or search for what is most likely bad caps on the old one.

>>6183398
Alright. Will do. Weird part it was NOS when I got it and haven't used it much.

>>6183005
Thanks for the info. I'll probably go ahead and buy at least the 13", but the 9" would be nice to keep at the cottage or something on the odd occasion I go up.

>>6183404
Just because something is NOS does not mean that the caps can't fail after years in storage. Generally, good caps shouldn't do that, but it can happen. I had some caps on the logic board of a NOS Macintosh IIsi go bad. But Taiwanese and Chinese capacitors made from about 1998-2007 were generally much worse, and it's not uncommon for equipment from this era to fail (it was called "the capacitor crisis"). People began to figure this out pretty early, because as early as 2002, I remember motherboard manufacturers advertising "Japanese Capacitors" for this exact reason.

Of course, this all presupposes that the problem is with caps. It could also be solder joints. I've even seen corrupted drivers doing similar things.

dont forget to hug your crt every night

>>6183417
Finally a non shitpost, this is true, my old pc motherboard the box did say "japanese capacitors", around 2007 when Crysis came out.

>>6183540
Yeah it really seems to have started dying down around 2007. I think that is around the time the Chinese manufacturers figured out that they couldn't continue with their half-assed industrial espionage, and they finally got around to fixing the electrolyte formula. By the time I put together another new PC in 2011, nobody was advertising the origin of their caps anymore. It was pretty shit while it lasted. I remember my friend's parents bought him a new Dimension 8400 for his bar mitzvah, and it spectacularly failed just outside the warranty period when some leaking electrolyte caused a short circuit followed by a small fire. Dell always used the cheapest garbage in their consumer systems at the time.

Moreoever, this episode highlighted the West's naïveté with regards to China. It was clear that there had been industrial espionage of sorts, and nobody batted an eye.

>>6181109
BASED SMT CHAD
I was playing SMT1 last night and was having a blast.

>>6183363
I like that desktop background. Could you sauce me up on the picture please?

>>6171960
the best audio for old game consoles is a vintage stereo system with big speakers.
>>6172083
there is a good chance they would've tested audio with yamaha ns-10 speakers, and sony mdrV6 headphones

>>6175670
Why are your colors so yellow?

Is it possible to connect a coaxial cable to UHF inputs without a converter? Like if I used a shitty metal wire to connect to the screws

>>6183729
I think you need a balun since coaxial cable for tv is usually 75 ohms while twin-lead is 300 ohms. Or maybe your tv has a switch to change the impedance.

>>6183713
How do you tell what's a good vintage audio system?
Just by manufacturer?

>>6183749
You can also tell just by the weight and solidity of stuff and the different eras stuff was made. the speakers are the most important part. look for something bigger than bookshelf speakers.

>>6183757
Thanks.
Any idea how much money I should be spending also, if I'm looking at buying vintage stuff second-hand?

>>6171827
i have some very old sharp/sony CRTs and some black and white TVs somewhere in the attic. The Sony one has a VHS.
I havent turned them on yet im scared they may explode or something.

Lets say they dont work, are they worth anything? should i just get ride of them?

>>6183792
I really doubt they'll explode. Worst that'll happen is you won't get any picture, most likely. If they aren't working, I doubt they're worth anything unless the B&W ones are some collector's item antiques. If they do work, they still aren't worth shit, but you could probably scam someone out of a hundred or two if it's a Trinitron and you throw it up on ebay

what up

Having and issue with my new n64 svideo cable. When I'm playing games and my screen transitions from a light scene to a dark scene the colors look really bright and washed out before taking a couple seconds and darkening back to what it's supposed to be. Is this a problem with the svideo cable or tv? It doesn't do this with the composite cables. My tv is a flatscreen sanyo but i'm not sure what model. Has anyone ran into this problem before?

>>6183832
>flatscreen sanyo
Found the problem. You’re mentally retarded.

>>6183835
It's a flatscreen crt. Is Sanyo shit or something? Its the only crt I could find locally

Should the Wii be played on a crt

>>6183943
Yes zoom zoom

Is it small brain for me to get an Analogue DAC to play my Mega SG on a CRT? Will the output (RCA) be better than my old Genesis Model 2 with coax?

>>6183943
I have major input lag with my wii on a 4K TV and I think it’s because of the analogue to digital conversion.

>>6184076
get a better CRT

>>6183838
Growing up I always used to see Sanyo as sort of an "also-ran" in the consumer electronics space. Their TVs were almost always tucked away as the budget models, and may have mostly been used to lure people into the store to upgrade them to a Sony, JVC or Panasonic. A friend of mine had a Sanyo that was around 25" or 28", I remember it being a lot dimmer than my parents' Panasonic (which was also a shadow mask) and it had shittier colours. Unlike other Japanese manufacturers, they never really moved beyond making radios.

All that being said, it almost sounds like your issue might be caused by a resistor. In the original cables, Nintendo put a 38 ohm resistor to avoid having the image get overly bright. If you bought a chink cable then it may not include this resistor, which could explain the sudden brightening and dimming. Your TV may be mediocre but I doubt that it is the problem.

>>6175670
wat game?

>>6176705
delrin, nylon, hdpe, uhmwpe

>>6183687
>not knowing Mellon Collie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB6C_zj2g5I

if my tv is RF, is there any benefit to using the s-video part instead of the converter instead of just composite cables?

>>6185030

welp i fucked that up

if my tv is RF, is there any benefit to using the s-video part of the converter instead of just composite cables?

>>6185032
s video part of the converter?

>>6185038

it takes both composite and s video to convert for rf

>>6185148
oh man, you are fucked either way desu, might as well look into modifying the tv itself for a better signal

>>6184078
Scaling 480p to 2160p with a shitty built-in scaler will do that.

>>6177239
Oi m8 wheres ur loicense for that scart connector

>>6185190
Will getting one of those WiiHD HDMI cables help?

>>6180613
This looks strange, like a Retroarch shader

>>6183715
They're not. Why do you think they're yellow?

>>6184252
>>>/r/eddit

>>6175670
Beautiful

>>6185407
Unless it has a built-in scaler (unlikely) than you're just getting the same 480p over component being passed over HDMI, and your TV still has to take that video and scale the image to fit your screen.

>>6185552
Looks as if you are running 6500K or 9300k. The tint is yellow. You have custom picture settings or tweaked the photo after taking it.

>>6176680
I think I'm gonna hurl.

>>6185649
No? Unless you're seeing the yellow text, which I configured that way because I like it better than white. I can see plenty of balanced whites in my photos, and I'm even running Flux to warm my monitor right now.

>>6185708
I do often tweak my photos because my camera sucks and desaturates them, but if anything, my monitor tint would cause me to err on the cooler side when adjusting image temp. I'm definitely seeing white here.

>>6176680
What game

>>6185639
Damn, is there anything I can do? I just want to play DJ Hero without and don’t have room for a CRT at the moment

>>6183943
Really anything that doesn't output 720p should be played on a crt

>>6185728
I believe a Wii U will properly upscale your Wii games to a higher resolution

>>6186013
>>6186013
I'd argue that 720p scaled up to 1080p looks shitty enough that it's better to play it on a CRT

>>6186067
>He doesn't downscale 4k sources for his CRT

>>6185725
Fate Grand Order
Never play it

>>6176758
https://youtu.be/z64wTI_MMmE

>>6173903
what is this from?

>>6186369
Final fantasy 6 (final fantasy 3 on SNES)

>>6186014
Semi properly but it works well enough for most.

>>6186128
>He doesn't downscale 4k sources for his 9" PVM

Fixed

Does anyone have a link to the picture adjustment guide?

My set has a horizontal smear like effect that's particularly noticeable on solid white colours

Its really making playing Colony wars without my autism pinging off difficult

>>6186014
Nope.

I have an arcade monitor that was arcing, had it looked at briefly and tech said likely due to dust. Its reoccurring but the inside of the wood looks really dirty (dust/bugs) - is it worth just dusting the thing? Will a vacuum cleaner backfire on me?

>>6186493
Why even bother with 6" or 9" PVMs?

>>6187374
blow, don't suck. use an air compressor and maybe a cloth for some part.

>>6185504
probably because i have to use this doohickey

>>6172640
I have a nice NEC one and a sony PVM (Never saw this stuff get thrown out) but what am i supposed to do hoard hundreds of average CRT tvs in the garage

>>6187374
Why wouldn’t it be worth it to dust it? Just take it apart and blow it out you retard

>>6185728
doesn't it have lag compensation options? other western rhythm games of the time did.

>>6187621
It's an open chassis and not exactly sealed up tight so I'm worried the issue will just repeat if that makes sense.
Was suggested to use a Vaccum but I thought it would be a bad time with static (I normally use brushes/air on computers)

>>6186760
The Ingvar Karlsson one? Not sure if it's what you want but posting anyway: https://files.catbox.moe/tuunmx.pdf

>>6187497
My dude, where did you buy it? I just asked about this thing in another thread a couple of days ago.

>>6188616
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0000BZ2WC/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o09_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

>>6188621
Ah shit it's 4 pins, mine is 7.

>>6188625
that's cause it's used to output composite from the tv-out port of an old gpu.

>>6188629
Well yeah, it's a pc from ≈ 2007, I wanted to make it a dedicated emulation machine because the last console I had was ps2 and my mom sold them all long time ago. A shame really, they were in good condition.

>>6188645
just keep in mind that tv-out only does 480i, no 240p at all.

>>6188645
Get another PS2 and hook it up to that CRT anon.

>>6175670
what game is that?

>>6183363

great album.

>>6188979
How do you not recognise Final Fantasy VI?

>>6175731
You're delusional if you think shaders look better than a BVM.

>>6189340
I'm assuming that it's a meme to question the identity of extremely well-known games.

But also, zoomers ARE gonna zoom.

What is the best way to hook up a pc to a scart tv?

>>6188650
240p is literally 480i with every other scanline inactive.

>>6189383
8800 gts

Why won't my PVM 2530 shut off?
Now when I press the power switch to off, it keeps buzzing like it's on and "Muting" is displayed over the power button.

I don't have the remote for it, it just somehow switched on.
Any ideas?

>>6189410
Pull the plug.

>>6189398
wow you're so smart. I feel like I learned something today.

>>6189347
The only people that think they look better than "consumer sets" or even shaders at this point are even more delusional than I am, hipsters and dumb kids that didn't actually own crts and "retro" consoles back then. How did big thick black lines become so popular? Which youtuber told you guys that's how games are supposed to look? Because they aren't suppose to look like that, just letting you know. Disgusting.

>>6189490
Adding to this the only time you see individual scanlines are when 240p is displayed on a SDTV or when you run your PC monitor at 640x480 or 800x600. Using a 800TVL PVM to play 480i consoles is a literal meme and looks like shit. You're supposed to be looking at a solid picture, not through window blinds.

>>6189502
>800TVL PVM
Are there 800 TVL sets?
My PVM and BVM each run at 400; I thought the BVM was 600 when I bought it, which was disheartening.

could CRT have been continued to be developed or did it reach its peak?

>>6189536
Everyone's moved on to digital video with discrete pixels so naturally CRT died. The only thing that can hope to replace it is micro LED.

>>6189530
Late-gen monitors in Sony's professional lineup had high-res "HR" tubes that did 800 lines, meant to be used with 1080 video downscaled to 540.

>>6189420

Besides that, obviously.
I don't want to manually pull the plug just to turn it off when I didn't have to before.

I already tried messing with the manual and remote switches.
Turning both off gets rid of the muting light, but it still won't turn off like it used to.

>>6189595
Maybe something wrong with a microcontroller? I don't have a PVM but I always preferred the ones with knobs and physical power switch like on a PC monitor.

>>6189536
CRTs would have continued to become better with higher resolutions had LCDs not entered the market. There was never any technological plateau with CRTs. What killed CRTs was LCDs being far smaller, lighter and cheaper to produce.

>>6189614
Also better geometry and zero overscan/underscan.

>>6189614
But SED/FED are smaller and lighter while also being superior to LCD, LED, OLED, QLED, and Plasma. A licensing lawsuit screwed us out of SED

>>6189626
Micro LED is literally that but better. Every advantage of single-tube CRTs is absent in SED/FED because it's literally the same principle as LCD but with CRTs for the subpixels. No multiscan, no blur-free motion, no lightgun compatibility.

>>6189614
we were already hitting the lower limit of mask pitch so there would have needed to be some new developments in something like beam index tubes for crts to continue improving. even then you can only paint lines so thin, who knows how much smaller we could have gone.

>>6189649
SED and FED are better than micro LED

>>6189686
How? If you bothered to look up the specs you'll realize it's nowhere near the mythical tech you think it is.

>>6189686
but how do they measure up against SUC and FUC

>>6171827
Woah. Thats the exact CRT I have.

>>6176680
oh my god, why the fuck would you ever do this?

>>6190303
to shitpost.

>>6175671
Just buy a non-sony CRT
Sony is the biggest meme going in display technology.

can anyone identify the crt used in this video?

https://youtu.be/EMlpl2oew-o

>>6190596
you can see it at around 1:32

>>6190596
>>6190659
here, no need to watch any of the rest of it

Can anyone identify the crt in this webm?

>>6190679
Shadowmask trinitron?

Anyone know anything about the Sharp 13RV629? Saw one at a flea market but it was only outputting black and white, though this may have just been something with the DVD player that it was hooked up to.

>>6190679
>>6190691
this is some porn and camera has fish-eye lens that makes Sony look bend vertically, but that's just normal Trinitron

I have a pretty heavy 32 inch CRT. It's a very rare variant from the early 90s that RCA produced with incredible simulated surround sound.

It's got 3 composite inputs and an S-video input which is why I bought it. The S-Video looks fantastic on SNES and N64 games.

It's also got another unique feature in that it can power external speakers.

I'm giving it away if any of you want to make a trip to the Kentucky area and can bring people to pick it up. It's heavy as fuck but it's the best home theater for retro games.

>>6191165

>>6191165
I'll haul it away for $75. It'll be scrapped for metal though, if you care about what happens to it. If you can help me lift so I don't have to bring a friend I can go down on price.

>>6191183
I can haul it away for free, but I wanted to give it to someone who actually wanted a CRT.

Is there anyone out there in the CRT hobby who has managed to possess a SED display? I know they were never released commercially, but numerous prototypes were made and I have always heard the rumor they were manufactured in very small sizes for electronic viewfinders for medical devices.

>>6191526
Those prototypes never got released and those rumors are false because SEDs got wrapped up in a lawsuit against stupid licensing and patents with Applied Nanotech. Having any type of those displays leaked or released would've complicated the lawsuit. But there is also no point to those displays other than the cool factor and historical value. OLED pretty much blows out any display technology we have currently in mass production in every display metric except brightness and longevity via burn-in/organic materials construction.

>>6191184
If I were a bit closer, I'd take it off your hands, anon, but I'm in WA, so it's not cost effective. Nice looking set, though. Maybe you should keep it. You might regret losing it.

>>6187375
Space. I can fit a 9" PVM on my desk and it doesn't look too out of place.

>>6187614
I pulled a Sony CPD-G500 from the e-waste bin about two years ago, and it still works flawlessly. That was a great find. Since then, I've also found a Nokia 445Xpro and a Viewsonic P95f+ (both of which are also nice but not quite as good as the Sony. The Viewsonic is also really beat up). People will occasionally through out good CRT's just because they look at it and think "oh, it's one of those old crusty computer monitors, we should get rid of it"

>>6189536
>>6189614
Pretty much this. Although CRTs were also getting smaller. I remember my school had a couple ViewSonics (I believe they were GS790s) with short neck designs. Despite being pretty big, they took up relatively little space. You could easily put them on a desk and have a keyboard in front. Generally speaking though, the public just liked LCDs because they were smaller and sexier, and looked more futuristic. It didn't matter if the product was total crap, because not many people were using their CRTs for things that would show the CRT advantage. When I was building my first gaming PC around 2005, my uncle gave me his old 17" CRT (which I believe was a Dell M770) when he upgraded to a new Dell computer with an LCD panel. I think his "cool new monitor" had something like a 25ms response time and the absolute worst viewing angles I've ever seen on a desktop screen. There were so many mid 2000s flat panels that were just total garbage, but people liked them because they didn't take up desk space.

>>6191630
This. Of all the things I ever gave away, I regretted about half of them. And I regretted 100% of the CRTs I ditched. Just keep the damn thing, why are you trying to get rid of it?

>>6191805
>Just keep the damn thing, why are you trying to get rid of it?

It's way too big and heavy and I can't appreciate it properly. I don't have the space either. I want to give it to someone who can appreciate it and use it properly for their S-Video retro consoles. It really is the creme of the crop when it comes to early 90s CRTs. The thing is a beast, has amazing picture, size, and sound quality.