/vr/ - Retro Games

It's alright. PC-E is good, not great.

>objectively

Yes. PC Engine is a "legit" alternative system to the offerings from Nintendo and Sega.

>>6189461
It was OK. However, the original that dominated the market before the "rest" of the "fourth generation" came out and had great CD games before the SNES was even released was truly a great console, especially for non-EOPs.

>>6189654
bump

>>6189461
God awful redesign they should have just taken the original PC ENGINE and colored it.
Truly the worst marketing and distribution for any major system but I believe it mostly comes down to apathy on the side of NEC when it comes to the overseas markets

>>6189461
I was good but ran out of steam early

Also funny enough the American strategy that ended up hurting the system because it just seemed so budget in comparison to Mega Drive and SNES would have worked in Europe.

>>6189461
yes, though it was unironically hampered by the hucards, which had pathetically small rom sizes

once super famicom ate pce sales for lunch, the CD became the primary format, which after a few years became overloaded with weeb shit

if you love Hudson, Namco, Falcom, Irem, Compile, Taito games, this is a system for you

Konami and Capcom were not huge supporters of the console but they did put some great games on it (SonSon II, Rondo, Forgotten Worlds, Gradius 2)

>>6191130
PC ENGINE ended up jobbing to the SFC in the long run because they never they really targeted Nintendo directly they had a more lets co exist strategy in Japan. Meanwhile SEGA had a way more confrontational warlike strategy

>>6191139
ハドソンの中本伸一はPCエンジン発売前のインタビューで「 任天堂との共存、共栄を目指す 」

>>6191130
I'm a fan of the PCE, but let's be real. SonSon II isn't very good.

>>6191418
>SonSon II isn't very good

sounds like someone thinks the game is too difficult and can't beat it

it's literally a mix of Black Tiger and Megaman

It feels less like a 16-bit competitor to the Super Famicom and Megadrive, but instead like a very powerful 8-bit system and competitor to the NES. The game design is more of the 80s than the 90s, even with games that were released in the 90s. And I love it for it.

>>6191541
yes it feels like a souped up 8-bit system

>>6191139
The PCE was directly targeted at Nintendo and outsold the Famicom from day one

>>6191130
>which had pathetically small rom sizes

Was it really that bad? The games felt reasonably long enough unless you wanted an epic FFVI sized JRPG I guess.

>>6191969
Pathetically small compared to all those 32mbit games Nintendo released in 1987. Also too small for persona 5 so literally retarded to even have considered as a format.

>>6189461
Most underrated system ever.

>>6191667
except that never happened

>>6191552
Because it literally was. In spite of its name, it literally IS 8 bits.

PC ENGINE Sales have been massively exaggerated over the years though and by 1991 it really is all about the CD
NEC-HEの事業部長の本庄、NEC社長(インタビュー時は相談役)の関本のインタビューと資料を基にした朝日新聞 2001年12月1日(夕刊)「ウィークエンド経済 第765号 あの失敗がこう生きた」にて「だが、PCエンジンは世界で580万台売るヒットになる」と書かれている。
国内市場では1992年時点でスーパーファミコンに次ぐ24.7%のシェアを占めていたとする調査結果が雑誌に掲載された

>>6189654
There is nothing worth playing on there that you need to know japanese for.

>>6192360
>>6191552
>>6191541
Good to see people doing their maths!

>>6192357
Don't worry he's from that other universe where Al Gore became president and everybody used the zune instead of the ipod.

>>6192357
Not in your lifetime. Maybe not even in your imagination. But in the real world that's exactly what happened. Educate yourself zoomer.

PC ENGINEs good years were 1987-1991. Some developers decided to give the PC ENGINE a go because they were just sick of the FAMICOM hardware being a toaster in particular for arcade ports, but once the Super FAMICOM launches all of this is superseded and there's a good reason why it was all about SuperSystem Card and CDs at this point. One could say though that NEC&Hudson kind of squandered this a bit by not targeting more 3rd party developers aggressively .

>>6189461
had to order the mini from Italy

>>6192704
Also by the time the DUO system is launched in late 1991 not standardizing a controller with more buttons was a much missed opportunity
By JP dates 1988 SEGA introduced three main buttons for their controller
1990 SuperFamicom controller has 4 main buttons + 2 shoulder buttons meanwhile NEC is still sticking with two main buttons

>>6191078
Japs knew that the US liked stuff big, so they made it big.

If you like shmups it was godlike.

If not, it had like 4 good games.

>>6191667
Maybe you're thinking of the Mega Drive in Japan?

>>6193154
It has a solid jrpg library such as Far East of Eden and FALCOM games but it falls short given the lack of backing from ENIX,Square etc

>>6189461
It was definitely better than all the other crap

Always fun to see anons doing pastiches of wikipedia style factoids to try to explain something they barely understand.

Would it have been more successful in the west if they had managed to released a little earlier?

>>6192704
They weren't just tired of the hardware limitations. Who hasn't learned of Nintendo's shitty behavior when it comes to game licensing back then? Any other console was an alternative worth consideration because around that time, Nintendo still hadn't backed the fuck off on their overbearing licensing practices.

>>6191969
most hucards were 2-4 megabits

there were literally a handful that had more than 4

for perspective, most later genesis and snes carts were 8 megabits at minimum

>>6192704
1987 had barely 5 games, most of them were shit

i'd say the good years were 1988-1992, maybe stretch it to 93

94 and 95 had some gems (Ai cho aniki, xanadu 1 and 2, emerald dragon) but the system was effectively on the way out

Best soundchip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHCCoNyNFtY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLvYTxuVDOI

>>6193639
I love the sound of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jcdiSG1uVI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IyCb-jFfUY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BknsZU_jcRI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqgqe2l2RjI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExoBdO0aEQM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVqTWAfsx_c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD0CLiNNR_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa11MuXnnZY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m86bTneVa_o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tl4_jhANqwE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9UHp99Xmss
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m1zvgeUDW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZp3EcHUSsQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApHuzIE2E3M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYfiGaZ2oe8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOtFb3sXkTs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Po73eMng0

>>6193587
I was talking sales wise though, sales start to plummet once Super FAMICOM hits the market. The question is how much did they succeed in stealing sales from Nintendo or was it just mostly cockblocking SEGA

>>6193427
Yeah I think so, the fact that it was super late to market didn't help but the advertising wasn't good either.

>>6193790
Mostly cockblocking sega. In fact pc engine got a bunch of (mostly quality) sega ports

Some of the more notable ones include fantasy zone, after burner 2, outrun, shinobi and space harrier

>>6193847
PC Engine did well in Japan and was a good bridge between the Famicom and the Super Famicom. For whatever reason, Sega's consoles did not do very well in Japan until the Saturn and I suspect the Saturn did well in part because it was the first 32-bit console and on the success of the Mega Drive in practically every place *but* Japan.

But in the U.S., the Genesis destroyed the Turbografx-16. Part of that was the utter ineptitude of the marketing for the Turbografx-16 but part of it was also the vastly superior hardware of the Genesis. The only thing the Turbografx-16 had on the Genesis was the ability to display more colors simultaneously.

>>6193727
Jesus Christ. No wonder the Turbografx got booty blasted by the Genesis and SNES.

>>6194028
i like your style anon.
Here is an actually good example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p26GvaQHX3k

>>6189461
this is the best vertical shooter ever made

>>6193164
No. PCE.

>>6194028
BWAAAANG

Never saw it in Europe, was it even released here? On local auction portal I see PCE from japan or USA or msx from Netherlands but never saw pal version on this console. Dpad looks uncomfy

>>6194871
It had a limited release in France I think.

It's alright, but it doesn't offer anything you can't get from a console easier to obtain.

>>6194054
Sound quality's a lot better but it's a shame that the composition isn't such hot stuff. I remember that game (or was it its sequel?) for the Genesis and recall it not having a lot of sound effects. Is that the same for PC Engine? The dearth of sound effects does afford the oppoturnity for better-sounding music.

just picked up one of these for around $30 USD.

>>6194871
For some reason there was a limited run in the EU for Turbografx that uses the same cards as American TGs (in 50hz of course), and the French imported PCEs and modded them for their TVs.

Also the controller is decent if a bit lacking of buttons

Who's getting the mini when it comes out?

>>6197827
I already have the mini

>>6197827
I'll wait for the prices to drop

>>6199520
>mini of a console that was already small

>>6199698
The TG16 was never small. I suspect the mini will probably be larger than a PCE.

>>6189461
I think it was better than good. I remember seeing all the articles on Ys, and the large portraits and animated cutscenes impressed me. The sound is very pleasing to me and it was able to display more colors and larger sprites than the Genesis. The library is massive, and I keep finding great titles on it. Definitely one of my favorite consoles, top 25.

>>6191078
>God awful redesign they should have just taken the original PC ENGINE and colored it.
As a standalone device, I've always liked the way the TG16 looked, but it does look like shit with the CDROM attached.

>>6193164
>Mega Drive
>Japan
you're funny

>>6201390
no, i mean targeting Sega and outselling the Mega Drive from day 1, because it absolutely did that and Sega ended up in 3rd place thanks to the PCE.

>>6191156
I understand like 40% of that.

Its cool that we gonna have Core Grafx in Europe. Very pleasing to look at console

>>6201424
The PC Engine was released in October 1987 while the Mega Drive was released in October 1988. It should be pretty clear that the PC Engine's primary target when it was released was the Famicom as I'm assuming no one took the Sega Mk III seriously. Perhaps after the Mega Drive was released, NEC viewed the Mega Drive as a major threat to NEC being able to grab market share of customers wanting something more advanced than the Famicom.

>>6202651
>using logic instead of parroting a 12yo youtube sperg
wew lad

>>6192812
Would you niggers quit perpetuating urban myths like a normalfag? The size was increased because it had to meet FCC regulations.

>>6191078
Especially coming out the same time as the Genesis, it looked like a wannabe Genesis instead of something original.

>>6203041
sauce?

>>6191156
>ハドソンの中本伸一はPCエンジン発売前のインタビューで「 任天堂との共存、共栄を目指す
i dont get it, they made the hu-chip for the nintendo, then nintendo said go fuck yourself, we are making our own chip

thats why i thought they released the console

>>6189461
yes, its us launch was a clusterfuck, should have just stuck with the original case and marketedt he fuck out of it in 1987

>>6189461
It was the Xbox of its time.

It was fine but it had a lot of absolute shit in its library. I inherited a Turbo Grafx and like 15 games from a cousin, only like 4 of them were any good

>>6189461
had one for a very short time. Was pretty good but nothing blockbuster. Was cool to be able to play all those odd games no one else had like Bonk and this sidescrolling shooter with bumpers.

>>6206748
You should play the whole library and not the shitty stuf america got

>>6197827
Doesn't even have Legendary Axe. Its best game will be Rondo of Blood. I think its best to just not support Konami though.

>>6203041
Um, no? Meeting FCC regulations means adding RF shielding, which is just a thing sheet of steel surrouding the electronics. There was no practical reason the Turbografx 16 had to be so much bigger than the PC Engine.

It was a solid platform, arguably just as good as the Genesis and SNES. The CD attachment and later Duo were impressive upgrades and there's a ton of great games between Japan and USA.

>>6208241
this is good is hear https://www.romhacking.net/translations/522/

>>6199520
hows emulation

>>6208241
TurboDuo could have been more successful if it was marketed better.

>>6208328
>I have traveled back in time to inform the children and prevent the abysmal failure of the Turbografx

>>6208314
No idea. You tell me. What's it like emulating someone old enough to tell the difference between a mini and the real thing?

>>6194871
I know there was a small release in Spain and maybe the UK. The rest of countries had imports

>>6189461
awesome system. community's a bunch of autists, though.

>>6200412
It really should have had a much higher market share than Genesis but it was hard to beat Sega's marketing back then. It was the superior console in every way but name recognition.

>>6209031
bump

>>6203041
That's like saying the NES was bigger and slightly gimped compared to the FC for regulation standards.

Anyone have a list of PCE/TG exclusives? Googled and just found retarded bullshit.

>>6208257
Thanks for the link

So what is considered its absolute best game not counting the CD?

>>6203041
Ken Wirt is literally on record saying they wasted two years redesigning it because Americans wanted it to feel "big" and "futuristic":
https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/225466/stalled_engine_the_turbografx16_.php

>>6211231
Dungeon Explorer/2
Gunhed
Neutopia/II
Bonk's Adventure
Ys I & II
Super Star Soldier
Devil's Crush
Alice in Wonderdream
Final Soldier
Elemental Soldier Spriggan
Bonk's Revenge
Star Parodier
Soldier Blade
Alzadick
Gekisha Boy
Air Zonk
Nexzr
Bonk 3
Super Air Zonk
Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys
Castlevania: Rondo of Blood
Legend of Xanadu/II

Multiplatform games that are on CD are also usually better on PC Engine, and sometimes completely different games. Popful Mail comes to mind.

>>6212081
Without CD games? Soldier Blade. With CD games, Ys IV.

>>6212150
>i also just fund retarded shit
Yeah. It's a nice list of games, certainly some of the "best version" if not exclusive. I still would like to find a complete and accurate list of exclusives though.

>le epik maymay rondo isn't the bestest game ever of all time
You really don't know how to fit in do you

>>6212449
There's no point fitting in on an anonymous video rental board.

>>6211327
can u uploaded a patched rom

it had Dungeons & Dragons: Order of the Griffon.
it was totally comfy.

>>6213816
ok boomer

>>6192354
yep
but also fuck zoomers