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So what's your thought on this little rarity? What was your feels the first time you played it? Were you all surprised that it was so good?!?

>> No.612335

>>612131
The real Chrono Cross, much better than that pile of shit. Translated quite well, too. Great music, as well.

>> No.612426

>>612131
It's great music, that's all I got.

>> No.612427

Only enjoyable if you played Chrono Trigger and Cross.

>> No.612442

Liked it way better than Cross.

Much better atmosphere, a clear-cut story, and wasn't a chore to get through.

>> No.612451
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612451

People who claim this is better than CC are actually just butthurt CTards in disguise.

>> No.612454

>>612131
>So what's your thought on this little rarity?
What rarity? The patched rom's been all over the Internet since, like, 2008 or so.

The VN itself is very basic in every way possible. It's not terrible, but there's nothing good to say about it either.

>> No.612461

>>612451
They're actually hipsters.

Seriosuly, this
>Liked it way better than Cross.
is abnormal. Cross was imperfect, but saying that you like the goddamn Radical Dreamers more than it is like saying that you liked the Mega Man novelization more than Mega Man 6.

>> No.612482

>>612461

This is some retarded-ass logic. I enjoyed the old Mega Man cartoon better than I enjoyed Mega Man X6. I don't say this because I'm a hipster, I say this because I don't fucking lie MMX6.

>> No.612486

>>612461
Not really.

Cross was a clusterfuck of wasted potential and piss-poor direction. Annoying battle system, tons of useless and meaningless characters, missable key cutscenes, godawful pacing, and so on.

Why would it be ridiculous to like a coherent spinoff over a mess of a sequel?

>> No.612496

>>612482
Radical Dreamers is a poorly written picturebook.

>> No.612504

>>612496

Nigger, I don't care what Radical Dreamers is. You're missing the entire point. People like what they like and dislike what they dislike. Stop trying to "hipster" everything up when it's just a matter of different tastes.

>> No.612512

>>612504
I'm not saying that you didn't actually enjoy the VN.

I'm saying that it was badly written and irrelevant and even comparing it to a full-scale JRPG like Cross, flaws or no flaws, is laughable.

>> No.612525

>>612512
What's laughable is the entirety of Chrono Cross. Period.

>> No.612526

Better than Trigger in every way

>no retarded characters with zero personality like Crono or Marle
>no irrelevant characters like robot, monkey girl or elf wizard
>coherent, well told story instead of HURR LE TIME TRAVEL JERKY SAVES THE DAY

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>>612525

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>>612525
>Period

You're on your period? That explains why you act like a little bitch

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612546

>>612504
YOU!

I like you.

Give me a kiss.

>> No.612548

>>612482
I think what he means is that people have a tendency to claim that they like Radical Dreamers over Cross just because they don't like Cross, even though they've never played Cross or they don't even like RD; they just want to spite Cross even more.

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612553

>>612545

>> No.612585

>>612546

Are you a girl

>> No.612591

>>612545
No defense?
Not surprised. It's hard to defend shit games. Especially when you're retarded.

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>>612585
Well what do you think?

The first conclusion you came to that question with was the wrong one, by the way.

>> No.612609

>>612591
>It's hard to defend shit games. Especially when you're retarded.

Yet CTards try it every day

>> No.612640

>>612525
>What's laughable is the entirety of Chrono Cross. Period.
Chrono Cross is imperfect. Radical Dreamers is
1. Bad.
2. Not a video game.

As for your period, it's none of my business, but, uh, thanks for sharing, I guess.

>> No.612697

>>612640
>Chrono Cross is imperfect
Understatement of the century.

>Radical Dreamers is
>1. Bad.
>2. Not a video game.
Nope. You may not like it, but it's not inherently flawed to hell like Cross.

>As for your period, it's none of my business, but, uh, thanks for sharing, I guess.
Are you twelve, or just autistic?

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612707

>>612697
>inherently flawed to hell

peabrain detected

>> No.612728

>>612707
>not smart enough to critique a game you like
I bet you think Eva is a masterpiece too.

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612743

>>612451
Bullshit. I actually like Chrono Cross a lot more than Chrono Trigger, but I'm not a blind fanboy that doesn't notice Cross' faults. Radical Dreamers had a much, much better plot, and without the convoluted tacked on crap, as a story, it works much better.

The Frozen Flame giving Schala a second chance to live and die is a lot more coherent than Schala being randomly fused into Lavos, hearing some kid's cries when a panther attacked him, causing a magnetic storm in a hidden facility, cloning herself to travel through time to stop that kid from drowning, travelling through time to call him into a dimensional rift, all while her Lavos side took her form to create a new being which caused a second moon to appear in the sky.

It's also a lot better.

The story also works much better by having Serge talk and Magil being relevant. It's mysterious, it has a great soundtrack, it's a great sequel, and it's also an amazing game on its own right. I'll never understand why Kato was "embarrassed" of Radical Dreamers. It's probably the best thing he's ever written.

>> No.612882

It had a great story, amazing music, and i actually gave a fuck about Serge, Kid and Gil. Too bad Chrono Cross was so poorly written.

Also we will never get another true Chrono game and Magus will never be a morally ambiguous villain in Kingdom Hearts.

>> No.612887

>>612743
Christ, Chono Cross's plot is retarded when you actually explain it all at once like that.

>> No.612919

Chrono Cross could have been much better if they gave us more than 4 dual techs, cut down on the extra characters, actually finished writing Magus into the story, and didn't even do that stupid moon/Lynx is your dad shit.

I liked the combat system, art, and music, and for a while, its pretty fun. Chronopolis was awesome, and so was helping the rocker save the day (Even though that reminded me that they totally fucked up how monster people were portrayed between the two games)

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>>612728

Not him but it is. Flawed in places but that shit's a lot better than plebs would have you believe.

There's shit like this, integration of lore from the Alphabet of Bin-Sera, the pioneering animation techniques, etc.

>> No.612957

>>612743
Wow, all that retarded time travelling makes it sound almost as shitty as CT's plot.

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>people calling CT and CC's stories shit

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613030

To this day, I'm still mad that RD and CT never got proper sequels, and instead got merged into one pseudo-sequel clusterfuck.
Not that Chrono Cross was a bad game by any means, just a terrible, TERRIBLE successor to RD and CT.

>> No.613053

>>613030
u wot m8, CC has the same retarded time travel bullshit as CT, and RD is just a side-story.

>> No.613062

>>613030
Sequence of Chrono Trigger would need 2 things: Year 1999 some days before Lavos, and year 0.
What BC/AD stands for in CT?

>> No.613074

>>613062
Before Cross / Anus Destroyed

>> No.614135

>tfw Yasunoru Mitsuda never made anything great after this and CT

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>>614135
It's hard to surpass perfection

>> No.616119

>>612131

Helped me understand Chrono Cross better, and why I hated it.

>> No.616129

>>614135
Nigga, the Chrono Cross soundtrack is incredible. There are a couple of weak tracks (the Nikki concert series and the main battle theme, particularly), but they're easily outweighed by the several dozen standouts, ranging from simple and relaxed to dramatic and emotional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZirXSIkXKs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV-FvxoR1PQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMntblDX0Bg
(enjoy the CT theme revisitation, too.)

>> No.616143

>>616119
You hated it because you wanted a CT sequel instead of a vague spiritual successor a la Final Fantasy, and it was a successor rather than a sequel. If you'd played it without a fanboy anticipation boner, you'd have appreciated it for what it was: an engaging, pretty, and meticulously designed PS1 JRPG with tons of optional content, at least by the standards of the time. The only real problem with CC versus other RPGs at the time is the battle system is pretty wonky, but if you liked a VN like Radical Dreamers you wouldn't care much about that either way.

>> No.616152

>>616119
>Helped me understand Chrono Cross better, and why I hated it.

It's like CT fanboys have some sort of mental affliction

>> No.616158

Should I play this before or after Cross?

>> No.616162

>>616143
Sorry to sound stupid, but what does VN stand for, it's been mentioned here a lot.

>> No.616171

>>616162
Visual Novel, pretentious for picture book.

>> No.616175

>>616158
Before, there's a reference to it in chronopolis

>> No.616179

>>616143

I accept that it was ambitious and had good intentions. I don't really know exactly what I wanted out of a CT sequel (for one thing I wanted it to look like Toriyama was involved) but it wasn't Chrono Cross. The game's a mess from any perspective. The writing is interesting but awful. This is a fact.

>> No.616181

>>616175
Thanks.

>> No.616215

One of my favorites games ever, I like it even more than cross.

Its a better sequel , but not a better game.

As an interesting comment on the game, most of the people that I know that dislikes the game hate or have a disdain for reading. [/spoiler]I fucking love reading.

>> No.616219

I have a question, how many hours of gameplay does Radical dreamers involve?

(In order to get the three endings plus the alternative stories.)

>> No.616221

>>616215

Radical Dreamers has almost nothing to do with Chrono Trigger.

>> No.616226

>>616215
You have to write spoiler like this (without spaces of course.)

[ spoiler ] Example of spoiler sentence. [/ spoiler ]

>> No.616238

>>616162
Chinese porn games where you try to schmooze girls who are psychotic axe-murderers and bend over in short skirts a lot. Also they're your sister.

Lots of reading, about as much 'gameplay' as a quest thread on /tg/.

>> No.616246

The writing is notably better than Cross, but that's not an accomplishment when Cross is one of the most atrociously written stories I've ever seen.

Gameplay wise? Fuck no. Cross is by no means perfect and I hated its battle system, but it's certainly better than a mediocre VN.

Why does every discussion about Cross have to be a franchise war? The game has tons of problems even if you completely ignore any connections or expectations related to Chrono Trigger.

>> No.616253

>>616221

So, what is your point?

>> No.616256

My friend gave me to watch Chrono crusade, I was dissapoint when I found out it had nothing to do with Chrono Cross.

Plus there was a typo in the damned logo.

Chrno Crusade. Great.

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>>616179
>for one thing I wanted it to look like Toriyama was involved

>> No.616268

>>616253

Anon said it was a better sequel. And it isn't. It has almost no connection to CT.

>> No.616269

>>616253
There is none, CTards are just using RD to shitfling.

>> No.616271

>>616264

Yes we've all seen that cartoon.

>> No.616272

>>616271
I never saw the Serge version till now.

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>>616272

Hilarious. Wasn't it.

>> No.616279

>>616276
I find it a bit more ironic then hilarious.

>> No.616283

>>616279

It points out nothing at all except what the majority of anime is like. Toriyama is one of the best at it.

>> No.616284

I see a lot of animosity towards Trigger in Cross threads.
Is there actually a bigger dislike of the game then I thought there was, or is it just Cross fans intentionally being retarded to make fun of shitflinging from Trigger fanboys?

>> No.616292

>>616284

The latter, CC is widely despised for how poor it is as a sequel to CT.

>> No.616293

TL;DR

>> No.616295

>>616219
Can someone please answer my question?

>> No.616305

>>616295

Two to three? Been a while sense I played it, but yeah.

>> No.616308

>>616268

Almost none? Magus is in the game as shala, day of lavos its mentioned as well as lucca.

It might be the bases for the CC plot, but in a more controlled environment. Also its more clear and avoid much of the bullshit that the CC suffered.

CC its a greater game, I never denied that. But in the writing department things went out of control trying to make a RPG of that magnitude and the ties with CT felt weaker even if they were almost the same with RD.

In the end, it made the ties with CT look way too forced and I think that when they realized that, the development cycle was too advanced to redo all.

That's the only explanation I think that would explain all the CT related cuts in CC like guile or glenn.

>> No.616313

>>616284
Imagine eating at a restaurant and suddenly some unwashed smelly hobo busts in and keeps yelling at you how McDonalds is the pinnacle of high cuisine. Because it's fast and full of MSG. That's how being told that CT is the better game is like.

>> No.616329

>>616313

Oh fuck me, you just think CC is 2deep4u.

CT is fun and well-written and well-paced. CC is a fucking mess. It was trying though.

>> No.616335

>>616313
There's a problem in your comparison.

What if the restaurant you're eating serves worse food compared to McDonalds.

Even if the hobo is wrong about it being the pinnacle of high cuisine, he might as well be correct that it is better food then what you're eating.

>> No.616338

>>616313
Chrono Trigger was a standard JRPG, but more consistent in writing and quality.
Chrono Cross was far more ambitious but fluctuates a lot more in execution, often becoming a mess near the end.

It's not fair to call one objectively better than the other. They're trying to accomplish two very different things, and as a result appeal to different types of players. It's just unfortunate they were placed into the same franchise.

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>>616335
>worse
This is subjective. Everybody I know loves hominy, I can't fucking stand it.

Nobody goes into Chrono Trigger threads shouting 'CHRONO CROSS WAS HERE SUCKET FAGS' while honking a bicycle horn with their sphincter. They scroll on.

Yet no CT fan can let a Cross thread go without letting everyone know how much they think, in THEIR opinion, how shit it is. For fucks' sake, grow up, people can like things that you don't like.

>> No.616351

>>616329
>well written
>hurr let's repair a sword from the past that only exists because somehow throwing a knife at the mammon machine turns it into a sword oops time paradox

CT is literally full of retarded shit like this. Worst time travelling story ever told.

>> No.616365

>>616351
That wasn't a time paradox.
It was a big leap of suspension of disbelief and one of the dumbest moments in the game, but the entire history of the Masamune's creation was linear.

>> No.616358

>>616342

But then we are on a RD thread where a ruseman or a anon very vocal about his opinions made exactly what you said with CC.

>> No.616363

>>616342
Yes it is subjective but you can't deny a restaurant that serves awful food and it status as so if almost everyone finds out that the food is terrible. I get it, someone might actually like that distasteful food. But when 97 to 98% feels the same way, something MUST be wrong with the food served.

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>>616363
Get off the internet and go picket a Wendy's. Make sure you smear blood on the windows, they like that.

>> No.616391

>>616365
>Cyrus somehow wields a sword that was created in a diverging timeline in CT
>GENIUS

>Masamune turned evil because M&M were asleep in CC
>OMG PLOTHOLE NEVER EXPLAINED WORST GAME EVER

>> No.616409

>>616391
What the fuck are you talking about?
Melchior made the Ruby Knife and shoved it into the Mammon Machine, and being a giant container of magical energy, turned the knife into a magic sword. It was left lying around for a couple hundred years.

Then Cyrus found the magic sword, used it, and it snapped in half.

What are you going on about with diverging timelines, paradoxes and shit? Why would Cyrus be unable to wield a sword that's just a sword full of fucking magic?

Are you just making shit up or did you actually not follow the story of a pretty simplistic game?

>> No.616414

>>616409
>Melchior made the Ruby Knife and shoved it into the Mammon Machine

[citation needed]

>> No.616431

>>616414
Play the fucking game. It happens at the end of the Ocean Palace dungeon.
He makes a Ruby Knife to destroy the Mammon Machine, gives it to you, its shoved into the Mammon Machine and takes the form of the Masamune due to its power.

In the original version of the events before Chrono and their gang decides to retroactively make themselves involved, it's safe to say he just did it himself with the same result. It's never picked up after the events, so it just lies around for an eon until Cyrus acquires it.

>> No.616435

>>616373
Ok, man, should I write on the windows with blood that Chrono Trigger's better sequel is Radical Dreamers?

>> No.616459

>>616431
>it's safe to say he just did it himself

Yeah, he walked up to the machine for no reason, stabbed it for no reason, watched it transform into a sword for no reason and then left. Perfect explanation.

>> No.616473

>>616459
He specifically made the knife to use on the fucking machine. He MAKES it to destroy the Mammon Machine. This was outright said when you saved him on the Mountain of Woe, and it's the entire reason he gives it to you in the first place.

And right after that happens Lavos awakens and warps everyone across history (Melchior himself to 1999), leaving no one to pick it up. It ended up staying in the Kingdom of Zeal.

>> No.616537

>>616473
Okay so he made a knife to destroy the machine, but instead of doing so just stabs it once, watches the knife transform then goes home and puts the sword away.

>> No.616563

>>616537
They attempt to destroy the machine right as the ritual is about to finish. Instead the knife undergoes a transformation after being overwhelmed by the machines power, not being enough to break it. The very second this happens Lavos comes out, the ritual being complete, and he sends the sages, Janus and Schala across time because of the temporal shit around him, leaving the sword inside the ocean palace.

I'm done arguing because ALL of this shit happens in the Ocean Palace sequence, one of the most crucial events in both Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross's backstory. I'm not going to bother debating when you clearly don't remember what happened.

>> No.616582

Now I want to play Chrono Picross to find out what's the big deal.

>> No.616586

>>616435
Absolutely. Also take pics.

>> No.616630

>>616586
Yeah, wait here 5 years so I can complete said task.

>> No.616770

>>616563
>I'm not going to bother debating when you clearly don't remember what happened.

Hilarious, because that's not what happened at all. Those two events are seperate.

original timeline event, as seen in Magus' flashback
>mammon machine starts
>everyone gets transported away
>nobody even implied that they were trying to destroy it

changed timeline event you actually take part in
>crono arrives
>throws knife, etc

However, masamune exists before the changed timeline. Which makes no bloody sense.

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>>616770
Looks like Trigger fanboys not only fail to grasp Cross' multi-layered plot, they don't even remember their obsession's storyline.

>> No.616885

>>616854
And then they go and praise Radical Dreamers simply because they still beleive than nobody "played" that thing but them.

>> No.616972

As someone who played CC first, then went back and played CT second, then played RD last, here's my assessment:

Chrono Cross, on it's own, not as a sequel in any way, shape, or form, is a pretty fucking good PS1 JRPG. The story definitely becomes hard to follow and makes very little sense by about half way through (but by that standard, Final Fantasy Tactics would be a terrible game as well,) but most of the characters are very memorable, the locations had ambiance, and the soundtrack was probably one of the best RPG soundtracks of all time. The battle system was fun, and the vague quest directions were no worse than any of the NES era Final Fantasy titles. It also had HOOOUUUURS of sidequests and pages of NPC dialogue.

I then played Chrono Trigger. I came to find that it's probably the single best JRPG of all time. I'm sure don't have to go into details on this one.

Then I played Radical Dreamers. It was a much better sequel to CT than CC was. MUCH BETTER. But it wasn't much fun. I would have had the same experience reading a manga while listening to celtic music.

My overall assessment is that the people who hate on CC do so because it's a shitty sequel to CT, and definitely pick at it's flaws much harder than it deserves. Meanwhile, CC fans who try to defend CC on it's merits as a sequel are deluded. MEANWHILE STILL people who say that RD was a better game than CC are absolutely crazy.

TL;DR = This is an argument between haters and the delusional. None of the three suck, but it's like comparing apples to oranges.

>> No.616989

>>616972
Also, I'd really like to add that CT is my favorite video game of all time, and I never would have found it without CC.

I still really like CC. You just have to treat it like it's not canon.

That being said, I definitely understand why it gets so much hate. It's like the Star Trek movie reboots, where the plot gets super fucked up with shitty retcons and everyone just accepts it and you're the only person in the room screaming about the plot (while everyone else enjoys the movie.)

But... Even though that statement is absolutely true, see how lame it sounded?

>> No.616990 [DELETED] 

>>616972
Oranges > Apples

>> No.616997 [DELETED] 

>>616990
Unless they're Green Apples.

Green Apples > Oranges > Red Apples.

>> No.617098

>>614135
>yasunori mitsuda
>only noteworthy compositions are for RD and CT

Xenogears, though.

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>>616342
>Nobody goes into Chrono Trigger threads shouting 'CHRONO CROSS WAS HERE SUCKET FAGS' while honking a bicycle horn with their sphincter.
> entire thread is "Chrono Cross was 2deep4u", "anyone who liked Radical Dreamers more is a retarded CT fanboy and not merely opinions"
> "Chrono Trigger is over rated"
> "Chrono Trigger is shit"
> this shit pops up in Chrono Trigger threads, too

I'm not gonna say Cross fans don't get a lot of undeserved flak and they're free to have
> opinions
but you are both equally retarded and insufferable.

>> No.617283

>>617269
>while honking a bicycle horn with their sphincter.

That's talent!

>> No.617486

>>616972
>I'm sure don't have to go into details on this one.

Actually, you do. There's nothing remarkable about the story or its two-dimensional characters.

>> No.617530

>>616770
The masamune plothole is one of the lesser fuckups; Marle travelling back in time should've wiped out 1000AD, yet nothing changed.

>> No.617568

>>617486
>story is the only thing that matters for a video game
>>>/lit/

>> No.617585

>>616972
>I can invalidate claims because of bullshit
Then try this on for size, I played
>CT, CC, RD
in that order. Everything, and I mean everything you state, is bullshit.
>people who prefer CC are deluded, because CT is perfect
>I can state this because I played CC first
No, you can't. This is like going and playing -any- modern Final Fantasy and then going
>well 4/6 is perfect, and I don't have to defend my choice on such simply because I backtracked
what about people who weren't underaged like yourself and actually completely fucking disagree with you?

My biggest problem with the CT fanbase isn't when they critique Chrono Cross, its that 90% of their arguments seem to be made up on little more than self justification as to why the title is so great, but seldom will divulge any criticism of it, or try to make themselves sound justified because they gave CC a "fair shot".


poor critiques from poor minds.

>> No.617601

Chrono trigger, as a game is fucking magical. excellent music, great mechanics, beautiful sprites, and an enjoyable story (though kind of basic, it's enough to be enjoyable considering the tech)

Chrono cross is a fun game if you look at it for the same merits that you look at trigger, good soundtrack, good gameplay (except for the billion partners), decent graphics for the time (though I would rather have toriyama), BUT DEAR GOD IN HEAVEN THAT FUCKING STORY. I mean shit, everything you know and love from CT is fucking shat on. It's a fun game, but only if you have no love for CT, and that is not how a sequel is supposed to work.


RD is the loosest form of a game, but as a story, it is better for fans of trigger who don't want to feel like starwars fans watching the phantom menace.

In short, CT and CC are good games, but it's hard to enjoy both.
RD is a good side story, but only for fans of CT

>> No.617618

>>617585

not really involved in this conversation but here's my take from someone who played CT and CC when both came out.

i think first of all, you can't compare the two because they are vastly different games with loosely related plots. the overlapping is mostly novelty.

that being said, i've never liked CC because of the leveling system. only leveling after a boss defeats the purpose of playing an RPG for me. i like character progression at my own pace, e.g. having the option to grind and overlevel if i want, or going through underleveled to move forward with the story. it makes you feel more like you are progressing. leveling with bosses just makes the game feel stupidly linear and railroad-y to me, and i could never get into it.

also, the massive amount of characters would have been cool if all of them didn't suck. no personality there, and not a lot of difference from one to another.

>> No.617641

>>617618

i should add to the first point, that it makes any non-boss encounters annoying as fuck because they literally become just filler. i could forgive this if the battle system had something more interested to it, but JRPGs turn-based battle systems just aren't interesting enough to justify battles that don't progress your characters in any way.

>> No.617739
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>>617601
>I mean shit, everything you know and love from CT is fucking shat on. It's a fun game, but only if you have no love for CT, and that is not how a sequel is supposed to work.
I loved CT as a kid, and I also loved CC. Even back then I thought it was amazing how it turned things from CT upside down and made you consider dilemmas CT just brushed aside with an arm pump. The best part of CC to me was seeing Nadia's Bell in ruins, and the trigger-spirits blaming you for it.

Sequels do not always have to be about jerking off to part one. Sequels like Cross, where the events of the previous story are expanded, turned inside out, and everything takes a different turn, are much more satisfying to me. There's not a lot of that in vidya, but in other media it's probably the best kind of sequel, in my opinion.

I like CC better than CT despite having played CT first, but I also like RD a lot better than CC. The problem with CC is not taking Trigger into a tragic place, but rather doing it in the most convoluted way possible. Radical Dreamers does the EXACT same thing CC does in regards of "shitting on CT": Guardia has fallen, Lucca was killed, and Crono is explicitly dead (something never mentioned in CC). But it works because the events do not involve child-clones, furry transformations, unrealistic wigs and all that nonsense CC felt like having.

RD is a lot more simple, a lot more intimate, and it's a lot more meaningful because of that.

And as for the gameplay, I love CC's system to death (like it way more tan CT's), but there's definitely something to be said regarding exploring an atmospheric old manor through text choices with http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLY2l-ID60A playing. I hate the typical VN format that has a tiny text screen and huge anime lolis with retarded faces, but I like reading and personally Radical Dreamers offers as much fun to me as CC does. Then again, their gameplay is so different I don't think one has to compare them.

>> No.618245

>>617618
You have a fair critique on the gameplay, but that's the problem I have, CC criticisms come down to
>Its not a "direct" Trigger sequel
>pseudo gameplay criticism #35
Just as you found a complaint about CC's leveling system, I struggle to find anything "remarkable" about CT's, whereas at least CC did -something-, how you enjoyed it was debatable.
>>617739
I somewhat agree with this, except the RD love. RD to me was always "meh", though I certainly see where you're coming from, but it was a pisspoor vn/game. Its almost impossible to kill yourself, random encounters are the medium both CT and CC avoided by RD as a -vn- loves it, and everything plot-eccentric is improved in CC. The only thing I can understand, once more, are people who were looking for a more "direct" connection from CT and craving something different instead of a JRPG, but even that again, was "meh".

And nothing about Chrono being dead is ever referenced in CC. It's possible to believe he was killed in the fall of Guardia, but the letter in viper manor pretty much confirms he escaped. The only two CONFIRMED CT "deaths" in the main CC timeline are Lucca and Robo. The tragedy.

>> No.618276
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618276

Butthurt Chrono Trigger fans are always the best.

I went to this forum a lot, and when I finally got to play the DS port, I still remember one of the posts someone gave me in the regards to my criticism.

>Please, PLEASE don't say that about Chrono Trigger. It's one of the best games ever but please don't come in with expectations about the game.

>pic related
>fanboy logic in practice

>> No.618320

>>618276
>DS port
aka the Chrono Cross teams butthurt fanfic edition.

>> No.618428

>>618320
>a bunch of rabid retard CT fanboys should have more authority regarding the Chrono series' story than its creators

>> No.618453

>>618428
>Kato
>"CT's creator"
More like the guy so butthurt that people preferred the game made by tons of other people rather than his own fanfic of it that he went back and added a bunch of endings in an attempt to canonize his oh-so-grimdark fanfic wankery.

>> No.618456
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>>618245
>The only thing I can understand, once more, are people who were looking for a more "direct" connection from CT
Chrono Cross is much more of a direct sequel to Trigger than Dreamers. At the end of Cross, you have defeated all visible remnants of Lavos, the Reptites, and the machines. Cross connects with Trigger through all these aspects, plus the Porre invasion and the Kid and Lucca story.

Meanwhile, at the end of Radical Dreamers, Schala has merely remembered how she came to live again. There are no changes made to the world or to history. Only the characters have changed, and that's the "unstealable jewel" of the title. The only connection it has to Trigger is the mention of Porre and that Schala and Magus are main characters (and they're only really "Schala and Magus" for about two minutes in the entire game).

Radical Dreamers is much more straightforward than Cross, but that doesn't mean it's more of a "direct connection". Well, unless you're a fanboy who thinks that Magus being there means "direct connection". And even then, CT's DS ending implies that Magus IS in CC, so there you go.

I hadn't thought about the random encounters on Radical Dreamers, neat observation there. Still, at least from the times I've played it, they weren't all that frequent. And it is quite posible to screw yourself out of an ending by fighting lousily or doing stuff to annoy Kid during the game: if she doesn't like you enough, Lynx kills you, she doesn't use the Time Egg and it's game over. I've had that happen sometimes.

But yeah, if you don't like text adventures you won't like Radical Dreamers. Like I said, gameplay comparisons are moot because they're two entirely different genres. But we can and should compare the plots of Cross and Dreamers, especially since both have the same rough plot outline. It's just that one kept it lowkey and personal, and the other added forty characters and threw every dangling plot point of Trigger to have a more world-changing storyline.

>> No.618502
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618502

>>618453
>More like the guy so butthurt that people preferred the game made by tons of other people rather than his own fanfic of it that he went back and added a bunch of endings in an attempt to canonize his oh-so-grimdark fanfic wankery.
Yeah, it's not like he wrote the entire outline of Trigger's story, developed the whole plot from Horii "heroes save the world by travelling through time" concept, and drew the original sketches of all characters.

He's the creator as far as the story is concerned, and your tears only make Lucca's death that much more canon.

>> No.618508

>>618453
Katro wrote the plot and decides what happens in the storyline, deal with it, CTard

>the game made by tons of other people

Back to le future reference the caek is a lie crimson flaems xD?

>> No.618529

>>618502
Yeah, Kato is responsible for CT being great. Not like everyone and their mother admitted a CT2 wasn't happening without the extremely star-studded cast of the time.
Kato had full creative control only when CC came around and we saw what he put out then.
>and your tears only make Lucca's death that much more canon.
Oh but don't you see? It was only one of many possible timelines!
CC can't even keep it's own story internally consistent for a fraction of the game, much less keep CT's story straight without resorting to Squall Is Dead And This 500 Page FAQ Will Explain Why, Don't Mind The Tinfoil.
Lucca would be better off dead if CC's fanwank actually was canon.

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>>618529
>if CC's fanwank actually was canon

You guys are like hilarious inverse jews

>> No.618573

So in CT's retarded idea of time travel realities cease to exist when the past is changed, effectively replacing them with a new reality? So why didn't you disappear the instant Marle changed history?

>> No.618598

>>618529
Kato is not responsable for CT being great because CT is not a book.
I also think that Kato having full creative control is bad, but having the constraint of Akira Toriyama shenanigans was also bad. If he has full freedom but economical constraints, you get an excellent story, like Radical Dreamers. Otherwise, he tries to do too much and in the end you get clone-daughters.

>CC can't even keep it's own story internally consistent for a fraction of the game
The pacing is abysmal and the plot points are far-fetched and incresingly laughable, but Cross is consistent. I don't want to be one of those Crossfags that go "oh you didn't GET it", but you clearly got something wrong if you say it's inconsistent.

Of course Lucca dying is one of the many possible timelines. But the canon timeline, the one that the games follow, has her dying. Although it is quite possible the ending reversed that, but because it's Kato he'd rather show you a japanese chick in a wig looking for you in the real world.

>Lucca would be better off dead if CC's fanwank actually was canon.
Keep repeating to yourself that CC is not canon if it helps you sleep at night. Whatever Works, I guess.

>> No.618604

>>618573
CT doesn't explain it's time travel.
Just like CC didn't.

>> No.618615

>>618598
>But the canon timeline, the one that the games follow
The one that CT follow doesn't have anything bad happen to her at all.
CC fans that pretend CC works as a sequel are really deluded.

>> No.618636

>>618604
>Marle disappears because time was changed
>The royal timeline of Guardia changing does not influence any single thing in the future

>Lavos is killed
>The future becomes peaceful and Doan looks EXACTLY as he'd look in the ruined wasteland version of the future

It didn't explain, but it was inconsistent as hell.

>> No.618650

>>618604
>Just like CC didn't.

>wut is darnkess beyond time

>> No.618646

>>618615
>CC fans that pretend CC works as a sequel are really deluded.
So much irony and so little arguments outside of "I don't like it, so it never happened!"

>> No.618663

>>618573
CC attempted to explain that, by bringing up the existence of "dead timelines", which are more or less the timeline that once existed, but in a permanent state of stasis.

Of course, doing this only raised further questions, like why Marle disappears that one time but nobody else does, or why neither Another World nor Home World are in stasis, and what exactly constitutes a dead timeline anyway, and blahblahblahfuckery HERE'S A GIRL RUNNING AROUND TOKYO

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>>618663
>HERE'S A GIRL RUNNING AROUND TOKYO
THE WORLD IS BLACK AND WHITE
ONLY THE SKY IS BLUE
SERGEYPOO, SHE'S LOOKING FOR YOU

>> No.619792
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>this thread