/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6169474
Gunshots are too loud. Too much many sound effects for the enemies. Brutal kill animations are useless.

>>6169474
it's been deprecated,
play project brutality instead

It's fun for a few levels but then it starts to feel overbearing. The original is just the right ratio of fun/violent.

>>6169491
Brutal doom is obnoxious but the original was more boring.

>>6169474
Never played it because it looks like flashy zoomer shit that gets in the way of perfect gameplay. For awhile now, I've decided I will never play it out of spite though.

>>6169474
its a good mod
>>6169482
project brutality is bloated

>>6169474
the guy who made it is based and red-pilled, people found out he has BIGOTED opinions about WW2 and gays and pedos what not so automatically his mods are TOXIC

I prefer Doom when I don't have to aim up and down.

>>6169614
Sounds boring and gay.

>>6169474
ask the general, dont be a wuss. this thread is a waste

>>6169474
It started off really promising, but got bloated down with features and details that didn't seem entirely relevant to the mod (ex.: custom weapons). I think the modder got carried away after a while.

>>6169474
Excessive bloat, and the guy making it wanted to use real-life gore for the graphics.

>>6169638
Look through the archives, janny likes to puppyguard the general and delete posts where people mention it.

>>6169809
>the guy making it wanted to use real-life gore for the graphics
That sounds awesome, actually.

>in theory, at least

its pretty fucking autistic but its a good time, the people who hate it are just fag babies. Like I mean Id rather play vanilla but brutal can be fun once in a while. I think its just mostly salty faggots mad about kids praising the shit out of the mod saying it was the way it was meant to be played. While that isnt true the salty faggots being mad about it arent right either

They mad because it's more popular than muh Guncaster ,muh Hideous Destructor, and muh <insert shitty gameplay mod here>.

>>6169809
>Look through the archives, janny likes to puppyguard the general and delete posts where people mention it.

>making things up to feed an imaginary persecution complex
>>6169819
>>6169897
lul there it is

>>6169474
1) Buggy as fuck on anything non-vanilla
2) Performance is ass due to how it does what it does (spawning and despawning 2 actors for every monster on the map 10-15 times per second, among other thing) Overall spaghetty code
3) Nobody can be arsed to fix shit propper because of 2) - everyone who can do it would rather do their won thing.
4) Mark is an assclown.
5) Fanbase is cancer
>Imagine an MLP-faggotry at its worst, with newcomers attempting to spread their newly acquired cancer to completely unwilling and uninterested people. Now add in same new-fans demanding from artists to draw their crappy fetishes and throwing fits when they are not catered to.
>This is essentially what happened in Doom community after major BD releases. The wave of newcomers tried to spread the word of "new amazing BD" as if nobody has ever heard of it, outright demand BD-compatibility from authors of other mods (in 99% cases is completely impossible due to how Doom mods work), throw fits at every opportunity, brigade down on anything negative said about BD, and overal being toxic to everyone around them. All this ever does is multiply resentment towards Mark and his infamous mod.

you shits make exact same "what with all the haet lol" bait posts in every fucking /doom/ thread, and im pretty sure its the same 3.5 fags
jannies clean it up because it's always same questions getting exact same answers. Had you really wanted an answer you'd have looked at the archives

I don't know I knida like it. But to be fair I just play Doom casually for a few levels and then I am done for a few days.

I mean I just wanna kill demons as fast as possible.

>>6169921
what do yo mean please explain this post i am confused

>>6169474
>gimme some solid reasons not to give it a try.
Just give it a try and make your own opinion

>>6169474
>what's with the hate?
more like overrateness

>>6170130
Lmao, sure, enjoy being a contrarian.

>>6169997
There's better mods to kill demons fast, Burl_Tumd and DAKKA are strong contenders for that.

>>6169474
angry vanillafags, not that I blame them, the mod is optimised like shit and custom wads can become unplayble because of the lag (okuplok- unplayable, chillax- sadly some maps lags after a lot of corpses)

>>6169474
use the desuarchive for /vr/ already
there's plenty of fucking posts asking these questions, some of which have screenshots and links to old threads
even sgtmark isn't banned in doomworld

>>6170156
>anon: try playing a videogame
>anon2: lol, no!
Perfect. You carry the proud traditions of /vr/ on your shoulders, young anon.
Also V17 is best version.

>>6169474
Brutal Doom is cheap fun for a little while, but it's too bloated, so it gets annoying if you're not autistic. The best part is how the gameplay is ramped up, and the zombiemen are actually a threat at times. The worst part is how imbalanced the gameplay is because the weapons are too overpowered.

The Brutal Doom community is such a circlejerk, that it annoys nearly everyone else that likes Doom, especially other modders.

SgtMarkIV is a prick. He hates on good games, and praises his mod in the same sentence, like he's the guy that invented Doom or some shit. His brainless hivemind of teens praise his every move, like comparing the charred corpse of a zombie to black people.

Then, there's the fact that there are several gameplay mods that achieve the same good things, while not screwing up the core of what makes Doom fun. Namely:

>Babel
>Burl Tumd
>Dakka

Speeding up Doom is a balancing act, and Brutal Doom is imbalanced as fuck.

Earlier iterations had speech for the grunts and demons. That turned me off instantly

>>6169474
It’s modders hating how successful it is while no one bothers playing their mods or maps, I noticed this pattern while asking about wads and mods, the ‘community’ is pretty toxic. That said I can’t wait for vietdoom

>>6171107
Oh hi Mark.

>>6169474
Brutal doom is shit, if you want a good wad thats like brutal doom just play project brutality 3.0, its brutal doom but better

>>6169474
Most people like it. There's a very vocal minority of contrarians and shitmodders that hate it because it's popular.

>>6171363
>>6171373
shut the fuck up

>>6171396
Fuck you shitface nigger

All Doom related is shit.
No exceptions. Baby first fps.

>>6169474
Because it's like bad snuf, but nu-fag zoomies think of it as some sort of a "compatibility patch".
It fucks up the style, pacing and balancing of the game completely.

>>6171107
>>6171373
This basically.

>>6169587
>project brutality is bloated
And BD isn't?

>>6169474
The only reason I play BD is for its realism mode.

Some of the most adrenaline pumping moments I've ever had in Doom were from playing relatively easy wads (e.g., Diabolus Ex) run on hard realism difficulty.

It's exactly how I wanted Hideous Destructor to play.

>>6169474
the hate is mostly from either purists or primadonnas & divas in the modding community on top of mark being a pariah and starting shit with said drama queens.

it's okay for what it does but like i said a few doom generals ago PB, D4T & trailblazer basically do what BD does better.

>>6169587
what makes PB better than BD is that you can pretty much turn everything you don't like in PB off. hell, things like the weapon mods, extra weapons and enemy variants are off by default.

>>6169921
you say that but i actually had a post deleted in the general because i told someone they were being a bigger autist that the autists they were complaining about.

>>6169474
>ridiculous scope creep diluting what it did have going for it over each version and bloating it like fuck, many former fans will tell you that he should have stopped developing it past version 19 or 20 or so
>awful, AWFUL sound design
>gore goes beyond exaggerated and just feels silly
>really awkward gameplay balance, low tier monsters are made harder (which is fine, that's an approach I actually like a lot), but higher tier monsters are made ridiculously easy due to (actually bugged) headshot mechanics and special finishers
>crude and awkward code, most things work, but it's hardly optimal, lots of weird errors and glitches, unless you're the author you're probably not going to easily untangle and address these problems
>author is a bit of a dick, initially refused to credit most people who's resources he used or who outright helped him do things, also he can be an unpleasant person in general
>author legit is a pretty good level designer, but rarely makes levels in place of working on BD past the point that it makes sense, or recycles FreeDoom maps when doing a mapset

>>6169581
You're not particularly missing out. It's hardly impressive with its gameplay, and the flashy detail and gimmicks have long since been outdone.
If you wanted to play a mod which turns the gameplay on its head (and which is hard), there's Hideous Destructor, if you something that's still a fair bit like the base gameplay, you have stuff like Burl Tumd.

>>6169809
Those posts get deleted probably because someone for (repeated) long periods of time will come and ask this exact question and then try to start long and protracted arguments, beyond the shadow of a doubt posting in bad faith and looking to shitpost.

>>6169979
There was also a long while where 13 year olds who only played with Brutal Doom would loudly complain if a map wasn't playable with Brutal Doom, and then would demand the map be changed to fit.
Didn't exactly endear the whole thing to people who already didn't care about BD.

>>6169476
You must have never fired a gun before.
>>6169491
That's fair.
>>6169550
>Obnoxious
That's the point.
>>6169581
You sound like a bitch.
>>6169590
Based
>>6169614
You don't have to aim in Brutal Doom. It's just another option.
>>6169623
This
>>6169638
And this.

>>6169491
I'm honestly convinced that the people who find Brutal/Project Doom are the ones who played the shit out of Doom and want something fresh and different. The ones who find it boring are obvious retro snobs.

>>6172516
>gore goes beyond exaggerated
This mod is like Trump's campaign, it started as a joke (in this case a game version of the Doom comic), but quickly grew into a legitimate thing that everyone takes too seriously.

Hey, /vr/, help me git gud at doom! https://twitch.tv/nursecompa21

>>6173067
From my experience, most people who like BD are casual fans, who aren't really involved with the community, besides maybe looking up memes on reddit and twitter.

reminder that /vr/ used to like brutal doom before it got too popular.

>>6176146
Except BD was already popular by the time /vr/ became a board.

>>6172554
Hello Marquitos.