/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6165672
SNK fighting games are unironically for those who can't git gud, and poor turd worlders.

All of their games until SFIV vs KOF XII & KOF XIII sound and look worse than Capcom games to the point where you wonder whether they were made by incompetents, made for retards, or if they literally never had money to invest in presentation.

Somehow almost all of their characters are variations on like 4 archetypes and everyone does not play drastically differently from one another. The special moves as a consequence are typically extremely uninteresting, and, again, tend to be copy-pasted between characters.
Combos are garbage because 4 buttons and little to no command normals.

Take this romhack as an example. It's flashy and exciting at first, but then you start to see the repetitiveness and eventually the shallowness. This is the best SNK games get, and it's not that great at all:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wai7U59Jc4g

Any truly innovative gameplay it had was left behind in Fatal Fury and its earliest fighting games. It speaks volumes that all their grooves in CVS2 do is implement bog standard mobility options and damage boosts. SNK fighting games have literally nothing going for them over Capcom fighting games but simplistic gameplay.


Anyone who says MOTW > 3rd Strike is either unabashedly biased and intentionally hard-headed and knowingly defiant, a casual, or a retard.
I have no reason to play Samurai Shodown when Bushido Blade exists.
SVC isn't even a footnote in CVS2's existence.

Capcom >> SNK

Both are shit.

SNK is better
Obviously on an image board that is mostly used by (native) English speakers, you're going to get more people who prefer Capcom, because that is what they grew up with.

>>6165743
You trying to convince us or yourself?

>>6165743
>Any truly innovative gameplay it had was left behind in Fatal Fury and its earliest fighting games.
>Anyone who says MOTW > 3rd Strike is either unabashedly biased and intentionally hard-headed and knowingly defiant, a casual, or a retard.
>SVC isn't even a footnote in CVS2's existence.
Here are the only three points in your whole post that aren't wrong, but MOTW being overrated and SVC being a lazy and broken game aren't anything new and innovations don't matter that much when games are good as is.

>>6165835
so you're denying that the graphics and sound quality are way below the standard you'd expect from a AAA company and that the gameplay is simplistic in contrast to Capcom
>innovations don't matter that much when games are good as is
this is one's mind on Stagnant Norm Kombat

>>6165843
Not the guy you're replying to but SF3 is the only fighting game Capcom made that looks better than SNK's usual. Darkstalkers comes close, and the Marvel games would too if they weren't full of artstyle clash, but 90s SNK typically looked better than 90s Capcom

>>6165843
>so you're denying that the graphics and sound quality are way below the standard you'd expect from a AAA company and that the gameplay is simplistic in contrast to Capcom
Yes, I do.
SNK graphics and sound design are better and most Capcom fighters are simplier (unless you compare everything to MOTW or NeoGeo Pocket games).
I get if you don't like the style and prefer one to the other, but at that point it's a matter of taste.

>>6165854
>SF3 is the only fighting game Capcom made that looks better than SNK's usual
wrong
>Darkstalkers comes close, and the Marvel games would too
they both succeeded, actually
>full of artstyle clash
What?

And you're forgetting Capcom vs SNK 2 as well as Street Fighter Alpha.
>90s SNK typically looked better than 90s Capcom
total fanboy / rose-tinted nostalgia goggles nonsense

>>6165862
>most Capcom fighters are simplier
completely untrue
>I get if you don't like the style
it has nothing to do with the style
the animations are worse and the audio is typically crap, as well as the sprite work almost always appearing dated

>>6165885
and the UIs are usually clunky and ugly too in SNK games

After growing up a massive capcom fanboy I joined the snk team just cause their games are way more fun. Real bout fatal fury, real bout special and real bout 2 all kick the shit out of any capcom game from the era. I'm not even a south american or mexican those guys just know what's up.

I have to go with capcom, both are great but I'd be hard pressed to find someone to sit down and play kof with me.

>>6165878
Alpha looks like ass compared to Real Bout.

>>6165893
>any capcom game from the era
Even Darkstalkers 1 is superior.

>>6165885
>the animations are worse and the audio is typically crap, as well as the sprite work almost always appearing dated
Have you tried to actually play the games?
>>6165894
I'd be hard pressed to find someone to play anything but Tekken and Mortal Kombat with me.

>>6165901
You're blind.

>>6165912
>Have you tried to actually play the games?
You're resorting to cope this early?

>>6165915
No, I'm considering whether I should waste my time to provide actual arguments and comparisons any further.
>cope
Apparently not.

>>6165906
Ok retard

Snk has blue Mary, snk wins. In b4 capcom fanboys bring up muh morrigan. Morrigan is a slut whore and isnt wife material like Mary.

>>6165672
When it gets down to it, nothing SNK offers surpasses its equivalent Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Darkstalkers 2, Capcom vs SNK 2: Match of the Millennium, or Marvel vs Capcom 2 at the very least in gameplay.

>>6165672
Sega.
Virtua Fighter is underrated as fuck.

>>6165923
>I'm considering whether I should waste my time to provide actual arguments and comparisons any further
That's up to you if you think your side has a convincing case already laid out in this thread, and I gotta tell you, I don't think that's the case. You really want to let waifufags like >>6165928 represent?

>>6165937
>Virtua Fighter is underrated as fuck
It's better than Tekken but not as good as Dead or Alive.

>>6165939
Funny thing is I have a wife and so it's more of the normie bro tier hypotheical than sad pathetic anon has a crush on a video game character. Blue Mary's modesty is far more appealing than morrigans sluttiness for real though, morrigan is a coomer character.

>>6165936
*Mark of the Millennium

>>6165936
Mvc 2 is crap dude it's the beginning of the end for capcom's good fighting games.

>>6165945
Picking the attractiveness of the girls out of all the things that could be discussed is a coomer opinion.

>>6165947
>Mvc 2 is crap dude
I definitely think it's in a league below the other three and not as good as UMVC3; nevertheless, the point still stands---what does SNK have that does what it does but better?

Off-topic: Why would I play SFA2 when 3S exists, and why would I play SFA3 when CVS2 exists?

>>6165950
Snk games are more fun. Whoever the retard that said all the characters feel the same needs to put down the crack pipe cause team fatal fury (Terry, Andy, Joe) are all more varied alone than 90% of the capcom roster. Akuma, Ryu, Ken, sakura, dan and every other fucking shoto i forgot all play the same. I'm a Ken player and if I decide to change it up and play akuma I'm not going to be lost like someone who plays Terry picking Andy.

SNK has way better supers way more flashy and feel more satisfying as a result. Something mvc right though

Snk has way better animation

Snk has better characters samurai shodown far cooler roster than dark stalkers which was capcom's best

Snk has more variation between games samurai shodown doesnt play like fatal fury but once you learn one capcom game you know the basics for all of them.

How's that for non coomer reasons.

>>6165743
>5 ryu clones

>>6165973
>Snk has more variation between games
Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting, King of Fighters: hello?
>once you learn one capcom game you know the basics for all of them
You're seriously trying to pretend this isn't the same for SNK.
>Snk has better characters
In terms of what, precisely?
>samurai shodown far cooler roster than dark stalkers
How when they are less diverse in both theme and gameplay?
>Snk has way better animation
pffft
>SNK has way better supers
All the supers look and do the same thing.
>more flashy
i.e. big explosions
might give you grapples though
>Something mvc right though
MVC has the least diversity in supers ironically.
>I'm a Ken player and if I decide to change it up and play akuma I'm not going to be lost like someone who plays Terry picking Andy.
Maybe because it's more like Terry picking Rock??
>Akuma, Ryu, Ken, sakura, dan and every other fucking shoto i forgot all play the same.
And this is the worst offender you will find, and will only find it in the company's primary antagonists and protagonists.
Guile clones? Nash and Remy, who is different.
Dhalsim clones? Lord Raptor and Necro, both different.
But Zangief clones? Victor.
Blanka clones?
You get a hell of a lot of variety after SF2, in both specials *and* normals; supers can be iffy, but still not samey outside of MVC.
Meanwhile SNK recycles the same 5 specials across its characters, on top of using archetypes like Terry and Ryo all the same.
>team fatal fury (Terry, Andy, Joe) are all more varied alone than 90% of the capcom roster.
Joe and Benimaru play the same aside from Benimaru having a projectile like Terry. Andy is the only one that stands out and only because of his arc kick not being ripped off like the rest's moves.
Take 3rd Strike's cast as an example and your claim is downright laughable: Hugo, Ibuki, Urien.
>>6166005
And how many Terry clones *and* shotos?

>>6165743

What a retard. Kek.

>>6166018
samurai shodown plays nothing like traditional 2d fighters like fatal fury or street fighter. Even something like capcoms cyber bots still has a street fighter feel to it they cant seem to get away from

better characters as in their designs and fighters based on historical ninjas or folk tales are better than spooky mall ninja spencers gifts goth tier shit. Haohmaru is generic as fuck but hes still way more bad ass than anarkis or bishamon. Samurai Shodown 5 special is plenty deep too.

Supers are for show, I dont give a fuck about muh diversity nigger lover. Real bout has flashy supers like andys super feels so good cause it just looks so devastating, the captains sword from MVC is also extremely badass. something like shinku hadouken is just so fucking lame. I dont give a shit about the situational use of them, give me something flashy to finish my opponent off with its for show not combat effectiveness. hitting someone with spidermans super is the most unsatisfying thing ever. Big explosions >>>> purple hadouken. blowing someone up with a well timed power geyser is much more appealing than watching an auto combo play out although shungokusatsu is pretty bad ass too.

>>6166072
>muh diversity nigger lover
clearly you're a retard that can't understand words and their meanings so I'm not going to bother responding further

>>6165743
NEO•GEO. The system with easy fighting games for players who can’t “get good”. Oh, and it’s cheap too, a system for poor third world countries.

/VR/ everybody

>>6166079
dude that was a shitpost joke i clearly explained how i dont care about the actual difference in techniques I just want flashy finishers. you got hung up on the sarcastic part and outed yourself as a redditor. I love how your brain just went to that one part that is so reddit lmao, now that I think about it capcom is the reddit choice too, youre too funny man

>>6166072
>samurai shodown plays nothing like traditional 2d fighters like fatal fury or street fighter
That's the reason Samurai Showdown is the only fighting game I really like. No fucking combo bullshit, just pure spacing and mindgames.

>>6165672
I would probably say Capcom overall for me but both are excellent. I appreciate Capcom and how they experimented with weird stuff like Cyberbots, Red Earth, Rival Schools but the fact SNK found a formula that worked and tried to just work off that is cool in itself. Both have a lot of fun characters but I think Capcom beats SNK in that department. I think KoF has better designs then SF but Capcom's other series just have too good of designs.

Ironically I'm not even huge on either SF or KoF. I prefer Darkstalkers and Samurai Shodown myself.

>>6166018
>Maybe because it's more like Terry picking Rock?
They aren't even that similar either.

>>6165672
Honestly there is no definitive answer they both have a lot of good games. Personally my tastes are more suited towards the Capcom games.

>>6165743
Idgaf about SNK but sf3 is piece of overrated shit

check fightcade numbers and cry forever capcucks

>>6165672
SNK

>>6165672
>fighting games
LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

>>6166540
>he's so bad at video games that he can't do a simple dp motion
LLLLLLLMMMMMMAAAAOOOOO XDDDD

>>6166556
>playing literally same matches over and over again
Autism is a must for fighting games players

>>6165672
My vote is for SNK. Yes, Capcom created the formula but SNK improved her. The same can be said about Tekken and Virtua Fighter. Sega created the formula but Namco improved her.

Imagine still having this discussion after the winner was revealed in 2019

I dont know about any of this other bullahit, I just wanted to say that CvS2 is one of the most fun fighting games ever made and I'd kill for a modern port with good rollback netcode

>>6166018
>Snk has better characters
>In terms of what, precisely?
This is relative. But, if you remove your nostalgia goggles and put the main characters (kyo and ryu) side by side, analyzing everything about then, you will see that kyo is superior that ryu.

>>6166540
go back to leveling up your gay elf, son.

>>6165743
>calls mugen a romhack

wow, shit bait

my dick likes snk more

>>6166563
Mario us just jumping on same platforms over and over, Gradius is just shooting the same ships over and over, Doom is just shooting the same demons over and over, what is your point?

>>6165672
both when they make cvs3

>>6166563
anon plays a game once and never again because he's not autistic

>>6166597
KoF has better designs then SF, but Darkstalkers has better characters then anything SNK has ever made.

>>6166639
Exactly! By that logic THIS should have been the last chess game ever made. Why would anyone want another chess game, right?

/VR/ is rich in idiots today. Is school out?

>>6166649
>>6166649
>/VR/ is rich in idiots today. Is school out?
Agreed, we have retards like >>6166563 who thinks every match in a fighting game is the exact same thing.

>>6166129
>>6166346
>That's the reason Samurai Showdown is the only fighting game I really like
>I prefer Samurai Shodown
That's because you've never played Bushido Blade

[SSFF] Bushido Blade 1 & 2 (PS1) Review by Derek Alexander
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmcZ4IsKwaM

>>6166524
total casual
git gud

>>6166496
>Terry and Rock aren't even that similar either.
What a load of bullshit
But Ken, Akuma, Sakura, Dan and Sean are to Ryu, hunh?

>>6166667
Samurai Shodown or The Last Blade can’t hold a candle to this quality video game!

>>6166563
Your favorite genre is more autistic than fighting games and less skillful, unless you play Candy Crush which you just might.

>>6166570
moron

>>6166597
You're still not saying anything.
>hurr take these two totally different characters and compare them and one is clearly better
yeah I can do that too bud

>>6166640
>when they make cvs3
Neither SFIV nor SFV was better or even as soulful as SFIII, so neither would DS4 nor CVS3 be. You've not learned from MVCI.

>>6166675
>Samurai Shodown or The Last Blade can’t hold a candle to this quality video game!
Exactly. If you don't want combos then why play a game with health bars? If you want it to be over fast then why do you need power-ups?

>someone posts the old /fgg/ bait
>several people fall for it
good to know you don´t actually play fighting games

>>6166692
>the old /fgg/ bait
which one
>good to know you don´t actually play fighting games
and you do?

>>6166668
>>6166682
>>6166685
Seek help, capcuck.

>>6166716
even guilty gear is more complex and skillful than SNK games

>>6166725
That game is literally ten times better than any game Capcom or snk ever made, anime fighters are generally better and more complex, if you believe sf is deeper you are delusional, take off those nostalgia glasses

>>6166758
It's got a faster pace, arguably better combo system, similar balance, and just as much playstyle diversity as 3rd Strike so it wouldn't be a stretch to say it's superior. I don't think CVS2 has much important over Guilty Gear XX either except aesthetics. I find it however comparable to and about the same quality as Darkstalkers.
>sf is deeper
Street Fighter is supposed to be grounded and barebones, not cuhrayzee. I don't know about "deeper" specifically but there's an intensity to it that would be difficult for a SF/KOF-only pleb to follow and keep up with.

i grew up a capcom boy, but after all these years i prefer snk's fighting games.
i can go back and have a blast with them without issue when i have to force myself to play anything capcom outside of alpha 2 and night warriors.
outside of fighting games, they both have a huge library that i love dearly.
i miss when they both made crazy ass shit and i wish we would get another forgotten worlds or something.

>>6166868
>i miss when they both made crazy ass shit
you don't seem to when you only enjoy playing Alpha 2 and Darkstalkers + SNK games

>>6166667
>[SSFF] Bushido Blade 1 & 2 (PS1) Review by Derek Alexander
>HVGN was good
>now he went full SJW with his trash video on Sugiyama

>>6166895
>Sugiyama
The 3rd Strike player?

>>6166905
you havent heard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfdFU3O3nf8

>even hiding behind his woke girlfriend so that no one can touch him

>>6166929
dunno what your deal is but I can see what he means here

>>6166005
KOF has literal Kyo clones in its games.

>>6166874
>you don't seem to when you only enjoy playing Alpha 2 and Darkstalkers + SNK games
Are you me? The main fighting games I play are A2, vsav, and Samsho V:S.

>>6165672
SNK's had better balance, but Capcom's were easier to pick up.

>>6167030
>SNK's had better balance
untrue
>Capcom's were easier to pick up
untrue

Is it just me, or do SNK fighters feel more janky and broken than Capcom's, in general?

>>6167164
What do you mean?

>>6167172
More infinites, glitches, etc

>>6167191
>More infinites, glitches, etc
It's hard to be worse at this than MVC2 and Alpha 3.

>>6167158
A lot of capcom games have 2-8 or even 0-10 matchups.

>>6167571
>2-8 or even 0-10 matchups
name some that bother you

>>6167574
Check Vampire Hunter, Savior, Balrog in CE, T Hawk in Super Turbo.

>>6167571
>0-10 matchups
Does not exist.

Both Capcom and SNK games have their dumb shit. ST has O. Sagat and Vega, KoF98 has Daimon and O. Chris, MvC2 has Magneto/Storm/Sentinal/Cable, SamSho2 has Ukyo.

They both made games with balance issues, it's not exclusive to either company.

>>6167593
>Vampire Hunter, Savior
Tell me those alleged matchups. They don't exist as far as I'm concerned.
Darkstalkers is one of the most balanced fighting games series ever made.

>>6167210
Garou, SvC and LB2 come pretty close.

>>6167603
Not him but I wouldn't say that.

Hunter is pretty imbalanced. Donovan, Lei-lei, and Victor are fucking garbage in Hunter, beside them it's pretty average with really dominant top tiers like Bishamon and Aulbath.

Savior is, against all odds, moderately balanced for a 23 fighter with all fifteen characters seeing competitive play. Bottom tiers like Victor and Anakaris do have some 2-8 matchups but they still see some results. just recently at Frosty Faustings an Anakaris, easily the worst character in the game, almost made grand finals, it's hard but not impossible.

>>6167630
>Donovan, Lei-lei, and Victor are fucking garbage in Hunter
They're not.
Hsien-Ko is fine, Victor is git gud, and Donovan is just dull, if not a teeny bit underequipped.
>really dominant top tiers like Bishamon and Aulbath
Bishamon is challenging for anyone but he's not overpowered.
Rikuo isn't anywhere close to being all-that, no better than Talbain.
>Anakaris, easily the worst character in the game
I'd say he's not as good as he could be, but I don't play him and I do't get his appeal. I'd say he's underequipped but he probably also is just a high IQ character that's difficult to play, so the scrub default opinion is that he's bad: see literally every grappler ever made.

>>6167642
Anon, the bottom tiers in Hunter are awful. I wish it wasn't the case but they're near impossible to use.

Anakaris is pretty bad in Savior, people have made him work but fuck is he handicapped. No pushblock, worst guard cancel in the game, giant hurtbox when standing and crouching, no real use for meter beside stalling with es curse on occasion, he is just not good.

I like the series but Hunter has pretty rigid tiers and, while balanced for a game of its age, savior does have problems.

>>6167652
>Anon, the bottom tiers in Hunter are awful. I wish it wasn't the case but they're near impossible to use.
No offense but you sound like someone who plays babby-tier easy mode characters and then gets repulsed when anyone else requires more effort to make work.
And coming from Guilty Gear, I know what overpowered looks like, and Darkstalkers 2 doesn't have that, not even with Pyron. Anyone who can't make something happen with their character in this game is just bad with the character. And I've seen some bad Darkstalkers players who evidently don't even pick those suited to their styles.
There's no one like Hsien-Ko so she's a tough nut to crack for relative fighting game casuals. And again, grappler-like characters like Victor have never been majorly popularly relatively few people know how and have the patience to play them.
They are not shit---they just aren't the typical players' cups of tea.
>No pushblock, worst guard cancel in the game, giant hurtbox when standing and crouching
If you're getting hit while playing Anakaris, you're playing him wrong.

>Hunter has pretty rigid tiers
I disagree completely.
>savior does have problems
The most miniscule concerning balance which you have largely not touched upon.

>>6167676

>>6167676
>No offense but you sound like someone who plays babby-tier easy mode characters
Usually, I don't see why this matters. If a game gives me an easy alternative I see little reason not to use it.

Here, Savior's problems
>how pushblock is calculated
>everything I mentioned about Anakaris, feels awfully handicapped and underpowered
>Zabel's unblockable j.LK
>Sasquatch having the second best health, insane damage output, and amazing ground movement while having no actual flaws
>QBee's crouching hurtbox bypasses a fuckton of normals
>guard cancels are either amazing like Demitri and Bishamon's or useless like Anakaris and Aulbath
It's a fantastic game but it's not perfect.

>>6167690
What is the most perfect retro fighter in your opinion?

>>6165743
>I have no reason to play Samurai Shodown when Bushido Blade exists
not even similar

>>6167690
>Usually, I don't see why this matters
Because it's given you a distorted perspective on what's good and not. Any character that's challenging to play yet not broken will seem like shit to you.
>If a game gives me an easy alternative I see little reason not to use it.
And that's not a problem, but again, it's made you a poor judge of quality.

>It's a fantastic game but it's not perfect.
I'm not going to continue debating the points here. What you fail to realize is that "balance" will sometimes entail apparently gimping characters in certain places in order to account for other other areas where they have an advantage.
Anakaris is "awfully handicapped" because he is a zoner that is built to keep opponents away and kill them from a distance, so you are punished for failing to do so with poor close-quarters options both offensive and defensive. Given that most people who play fighting games like to either literally camp or mindlessly rush down their opponents, it is a given that most of them trying to play Anakaris will eat shit.
And Lord Raptor as a character designed to overwhelm and go cuhrayzee, like Vergil, is compensated with lowered health that makes him easy to kill and wonky options that make him difficult to kill with.
And so on: there is an explanation for every character on how they are in fact balanced, within themselves as well as amongst their cast, which will go over the casual player's head.

>>6167715
>not even similar
Remind yourself what their premises are, and then try repeating that.

>>6166929
God that guy is such a faggot. He used to make decent videos too now hes total onions

>>6167164
>jank

>>6167709
Vsav is probably my favorite fighting game. As I said, it's a great game but it has problems.
>>6167754
I'm not trying to advocate for perfect balance, obviously such a thing is impossible, just that when some characters feel handicapped in ways that severly limit their potential those handicaps should be removed. Tiers will alwats exist, and that's fine, but I think developers shouldn't try to ignore balance entirely. Anakaris not having pushblock hurts him more then all of his other flaws combined, that I think is poor design I feel. Not giving one character an otherwise universal mechanic that is one of the main defensive mechanics it feels like a incomplete character rather then them trying to do something different in how he functions and plays.

>>6167872
>that I think is poor design I feel
because, again, you fail to understand the core of characters and, as it were, can only see a few trees of a forest, leading to superficial judgements
>Not giving one character an otherwise universal mechanic that is one of the main defensive mechanics it feels like a incomplete character
see the above
>trying to do something different in how he functions and plays
fair enough, but this is a bonus and not a requirement

>>6165743
>SNK fighting games are unironically for those who can't git gud, and poor turd worlders.
>americans don't play the king because they can't learn how to play with 3 different characters

>>6168352
MVC
CVS

>>6168352
Most good Capcom players know how to play a backup or 2 in addition to their main.

It's just team-based fighting is a shitty gimmick.

I like how SNKfags don't even try to discuss their irrelevant fighting games on this board or even this thread.

>>6168548
>irrelevant
>kof98 and 2002 are always the most populated lobbies on fightcade
lol, we're too busy for discussion because we're actually playing the games, capcuck.

>>6168548
We do, but I personally don't want to waste my precious time with retarded faggots like you

>>6168548
We've had good SNK fighting game threads before. This thread is obviously just /v/-tier company wars bullshit, though.

>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO COMPANY WARS/COMPETITION BAD

>>6168562
>>6168565
cope
>>6168571
and that stops you why?...

>>6165672
SNK did, but capcom games are more accessible as games period, because fighting games are kind of autistic and awful otherwise.

>>6168596
Hahahahah he's using reddit memes

>>6168602
>SNK did
how
how were their games better than capcom's?

>>6168608
How were capcoms better, and I want a decent explanation

Now the important question: who had the better jog 'n jabs, CPS1/2 or Neogeo?

>>6168612
6 buttons allowed for a greater diversity of normals, improving combos. This was also supplemented by abundant usage of command normals, auto-combos, and links far greater than SNK games did.
The audio quality of Capcom games were of a typically higher resolution (hit and impact sfx, voices, etc.), as well as the sprite work on the user interfaces and characters, revealing a higher production value, and more auditorily and visually appealing product---to say nothing of their actual aesthetics.
There was a greater variety in how characters were built, leading to a greater potential diversity of playstyles for the playerbase. Beyond the standard diagonal anti-air, horizontal projectile, and and multi-hit advancing charge, there were ground grapples both stationary at close- and long-range as well as advancing and air grapples that leave the opponents in different positions on the field, wall bouncing, teleports, divekicks, air-dashes, crawling, firefoxes (SSB term), counters, reflectors, projectile absorption, gravity moves that can tug the opponent in different direction, leaping air dives, traps, rekka kens, free combos, pillar projectiles, stationary and purely vertical versions of the aforementioned tatsu and shoryuken respectively, aimable projectiles air use-able as well including low-traveling ones to simulate power wave, healing moves, mimic moves, "summoned swords", homing attacks, taunts that actually do things, and maybe I could go on. To be sure SNK has some of these, but they don't have all of them, and how they mix and match what they did include doesn't come close to the diversity of characters Capcom offers. Indeed they both tend to rely on "function" character-building with a number of clones, but Capcom relied on these to a lesser degree and so you end up with fewer characters who play the same, upping the fun factor.

cont.

>>6168652
CPS1/2 although I do have a soft spot for Mutation Nation

>>6168612
>>6168659
It's hard to say which had better systems, as they have somewhat comparable mechanics, but I'd go as far asserting that taking more or less equivalent best games, Capcom provided more intriguing base mechanics than SNK fighting games did that allowed players to do more. SNK fighting games are tamer as a result, and so more casual-friendly.
Gameplay in SNK games is also more simplistic, consisting typically of small combos followed by a super. Capcom games not only have more engaging combos, but also better neutral and greater potential for mind-games and tactical/strategic play.
SNK character design as a result of being more grounded and realistic has an overall more samey feeling cast composed of interchangeable average joes---Terry is the American embodiment of that, Kyo is the Japanese. Even despite being based largely on stereotypes, Capcom games provide more distinct and arresting characters that manage to be iconic even when they are not fapbait.
The music is typically less generic and more experimental in Capcom games than SNK, while still being superbly listenable.
The games themselves just offer a wider variety of experiences. SNK fans gush about Fatal Fury's Garou, KOF this or that version, and Samurai Shodown / The Last Blade, while Capcom offers Alpha, Third Strike, Marvel vs Capcom, Capcom vs SNK, Darkstalkers, or even SFII if you're into that. You not only have more to pick from that is substantially different, but arguably, they're just more fun, too. One even allows you to play SNK in a Capcom game.
And finally, for now, Capcom games have a higher skill ceiling, rewarding prolonged play better with a greater enormity of ways to play and more intense, challenging, yet again, rewarding, matches. Investing time into them pays off bigger than SNK fighting games.

>>6168659
Thanks for replying I don't play fighting games lmao

>>6168689
I could tell by you trotting out the tried and true casual maxim "fighting games are autistic" and singing the praises of SNK

>>6168685
Depending on the game, KoF usually has more movement options then most capcom games

>>6165672
SNK. Hands down. Their early ones were pretty shitty but once they found their feet they really are way more interesting and varied than capcom's. Capcom are a one trick pony, every single game series is SF with different sprites.

>>6168706
Rolls, running, and shorthops, that's it. Yes, those are staples of their more favored games.

But like you said, it depends on the game. CVS2 has all that and more. Darkstalkers too, though character dependent (which is interesting), MVC2 has super jumps, Third Strike has special movement options like dashes and leaps.

In other words, SNK games *typically* provide more *universal* movement options than Capcom games.

>>6168721
Everything besides Samurai Shodown is KOF with fewer characters for SNK fighting games.

>>6168693
Nah that reply before mine wasn't me, I just wanted to make you type a wall of text cause I'm bored

>>6168732
In any case I've a new copypasta for future btfo'ing, and you know now if you ever decide to pick fighting games up that you should go SNK.

>>6168724
Don't forget Jojo, which might be the best retro fighter in terms of movement options.

>>6168747
elaborate for those not in the know, please

>>6166005
>9999 kyo clones

>>6168838
There are only three and they're literally clones.

>>6168685
>SNK character design as a result of being more grounded and realistic has an overall more samey feeling cast composed of interchangeable average joes---Terry is the American embodiment of that, Kyo is the Japanese. Even despite being based largely on stereotypes, Capcom games provide more distinct and arresting characters that manage to be iconic even when they are not fapbait.

I agree with a lot of your analysis but not so much this. While SNK does tend to be a little more grounded, I find their designs much more interesting.

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>>6168910
Yeah ill take you have capcom's freaks and stereotypes or SNK's generic fashionista metrosexuals who blend into each other.

>>6169685
This. All SNK designs look the same. Here, I just grabbed a random one for example, looks no different from any other KoF character.

>>6168910
>>6169691
Excuse me??
Come fucking again??

>faggot has to resort to arguing about SNK to keep his /v/tier company wars thread alive

>>6169795
OP's not the one arguing. At ease, loosah.

why do capcom fags act like KoF was the only SNK franchise?

>>6169836
because everything else is either dead or inferior (or both)

>>6169845
Virtua Fighter and Guilty Gear are alive

>>6169743
Is this supposed to prove Capcom has better characters, most of them just look how fighters should look and those that should look unique like Necro are just stupid looking

>>6169849
>VF and GG
>SNK franchises

>>6169849
he was talking about SNK games
>>6169836
how come SNK fags not-only only mention KOF, MOTW, and SamSho, but also have nothing to say in their defense / favor?
it's almost as if passive aggressive comments like this one are their knowing feeble last resort...

>>6169845
sort of like darkstalkers then right?

>>6169858
everyone defends them just fine you just ignore it and go "lol snk sux!"

>>6169852
>most of them just look how fighters should look
And this is bad because...?

For the recond I like both SF and KoF designs. I feel KoF has highers highs but a good amount of duds while SF is pretty consistent with trash like Rufus being a rare case.

>>6169858
>how come SNK fags not-only only mention KOF, MOTW, and SamSho, but also have nothing to say in their defense / favor?
Almost like arguing on this fucking site is pointless waste of time, right

>>6169859
no?
>super turbo: healthy scene
>third strike: healthy scene
>jojo: healthy scene
>marvel: healthy scene

vsav is one of their deader fighting games actually

>>6169880
more people play real bout than play jojo thats how i know youre a biased fucking retard

>>6169852
>Is this supposed to prove Capcom has better characters
yes
>most of them just look how fighters should look and those that should look unique like Necro are just stupid looking
very unrefined taste, but you do prefer SNK after all

>>6169883
>people play real bout
Where?

>>6169861
>everyone defends them just fine
oh yeah, retard?
how come this shit hasn't been refuted yet?
>>6168659
>>6168685

>>6169879
>Almost like arguing on this fucking site is pointless waste of time, right
No, you just fucking suck at it and picked a losing side

Definitive proof snk has better Sprite work and animation

https://youtu.be/qJyEPJVRBQM

Expect capcucks to go full damage control

>>6169890
6 buttons doesnt make a fucking lick of difference you retarded shit. You hit both punches or kicks for a hard attack wow you have just as many options as street fighter now. I couldn't even be bothered to read the rest of your essay because it's all going to be retarded superficial bullshit like that. And something about animations being better when they clearly aren't as shown in this >>6169893 video. You bend the truth to fit your capcom is better narrative so there really is no point in wasting my time with you. I like capcom games just fine I just happen to prefer snk, where as you capcucks think capcom is the only company worth a damn and will outright lie to make it seem that way.

>>6169890
Lmao, you actually believe this argument is actually meaningful, nobody gives a fuck there is probably just one retard typing walls of text

>>6169883
You must be living under a rock lad, hftf's gotten a huge surge of interest in recent years thanks to the david anime series.

>>6169909
>nobody gives a fuck
And yet you're in this very thread.
But you're soo cool though for having ADHD. I'll summarize it for you though: SNK is an inferior fighting game franchise.
>>6169906
>I couldn't even be bothered to read the rest of your essay because it's all going to be retarded superficial bullshit like that
It's not, but keep coping.
>You bend the truth
I thought you said you didn't read more than one line? Are you now assuming what I've said or were you lying about how much you supposedly don't care?
>there really is no point in wasting my time with you
cope
>where as you capcucks think capcom is the only company worth a damn and will outright lie to make it seem that way
that's a lot of assumptions you're making about me
in, truth, I just like exposing garbage wherever it is
>>6169893
The very thumbnail shows how uglier SNK's sprite work on their characters is.

>>6169880
>vsav is one of their deader fighting games actually
that's what happens when you make the inferior entry your scene's flagship

>>6169928
Better expose those capcom animations

>>6169928
I don't have ADHD but I do have enough self respect not to waste my time writing so much pointless shit just so I could argue with random retard on 4chan

>>6169893
>>6169931
Explain what you see lacking in Capcom's, what you see stronger in SNK's, and why SNK's are superior, because I'm not seeing it.

>>6169932
Again, you talk about how much you don't care, but you care enough to be in a thread questioning the superiority of Capcom or SNK; yet you end up posting *fucking nothing* and thus end up wasting your time anyway.
Maybe you should just call it a night.

>>6169930
Hunter is just SF with a different flavor, Savior offers a unique experience. Beyond that Savior has more characters, refined and new mechanics, and better balance.

>>6169934
Frames of animation. Snks move much more fluidly the capcom sprites kind of just jerk around and are nowhere near as detailed.

>>6169942
>Hunter is just SF with a different flavor
makes no fucking sense
>Savior offers a unique experience
it just has dark force and a continuous health bar, how is that a """unique""" experience?
>Beyond that Savior has more characters
And? Most of them were pointless and add little to the game. They were not meaningful character inclusions.
>refined and new mechanics
How were they refined?
>and better balance
Both entries prior to that were already well-balanced, DS3 changed nothing on this front.
Darkstalkers
2 >= 1 > 3

Quite a few staffers switched back and forth between SNK and Capcom under pseudonyms back then. Making this whole discussion bonkers.

>>6169939
He wasn't me. Im the adhd guy who couldnt be assed to read your stupid essay. Samurai shodown pulls of light medium and heavy attacks with only 4 buttons so internally couldnt be bothered to read the rest of your bs that was probably in snk games as well lmao

>>6169943
>Snks move much more fluidly
Most of them barely move at all---the vast majority of those comparisons were static poses that tell us nothing about the animation as a whole.
>capcom sprites kind of just jerk around
not really
>are nowhere near as detailed.
they have enough detail and are also not butt-ugly and dated like many of the SNK sprites
>Frames of animation
this is the only true thing---many of the SNK sprites have more frames
and so what? that doesn't necessarily translate to better graphics or presentation, although some SNK sprites do look decently better

>>6169951
I really* how tf did that become internally

>>6166675
Imagine how hard Bushido Blade would have tanked if they would have released it in arcades. With the shitty low poly look. And the warped, muddy textures.

>>6169951
it's funny because I never mentioned SNK having 4 buttons---I EXPLICITLY said Capcom has 6 buttons
I know you are mentally slow, so let me spell out an implication for you of this fact: that it is far easier to bang out commands on this account, and so can be done more confidently by the player
in any event, I see you're going to ignore the immediately following sentence about command normals and so on

it's whatever, you're clearly a brainlet so I'd rather you not waste *my* time giving half-assed arguments in an attempt to gain some feeling of advantage without any effort

>>6169958
People played Virtua Fighter, Tekken, and DOA1 just fine.

>>6169959
Sounds like your too much of a brainlet to get your fingers to press 2 buttons simultaneously. A lot of things are easier in capcom games that's why they are entry level targeted at the lowest common denominator, is that supposed to be a pro?

>>6169946
I have to imagine this is pure contrarianism but I'll play along.
>it just has dark force and a continuous health bar, how is that a """unique""" experience?
Because SF doesn't do that.
>And? Most of them were pointless and add little to the game. They were not meaningful character inclusions.
Q-Bee and Bulleta see much competitive play, more then Donocan who is bottom tier ever did.
>How were they refined?
Hunter has little in the way of defensive mechanics. Push block, while wonky, added a much needed way to further one's defense and offset pressure.
>Both entries prior to that were already well-balanced, DS3 changed nothing on this front.
Bottom tiers in Hunter like Donovan and Victor see nearly no play in competive play, meanwhile even low and bottom tiers in Savior see some play.

I suppose it doesn't matteruch though, Hunter sees no play in the west and little play in East while Savior gets tournaments at nationals like Evo and Combo Breaker. If you like Hunter better good for you I suppose, good luck finding anyone to play it.

>>6169965
>is that supposed to be a pro
having better controls?
not using fewer buttons than necessary?
yeah, it's a pro
>>6169965
>Sounds like your too much of a brainlet
>your
>A lot of things are easier in capcom games that's why they are entry level targeted at the lowest common denominator
lol keep talking out your ass SNKasual

They're both good, now shut the fuck up you faggots. I bet none of you faggots even play any of these games seriously, probably played arcade mode once and never touched the games again.

>>6169968
>Because SF doesn't do that.
SF also doesn't
>run
>air block
>air dash
>free link (easy follow-ups on hits)
>go fast
>ex attacks
it was already not Street Fighter from the very first entry, and you're a brainlet if you can't see that
>Q-Bee and Bulleta see much competitive play
and what do you take away from this?
>more then Donocan who is bottom tier ever did
bullshit assertion all around
>Hunter has little in the way of defensive mechanics
then that's not a refinement, that's an addition
and this is also not true
>Push block, while wonky, added a much needed way to further one's defense and offset pressure.
how was it "needed"?
you mean you regularly get pushed into the corner and appreciate the inclusion of a get out of jail free card for your sucking?
>Bottom tiers in Hunter like Donovan and Victor see nearly no play in competive play
Because competitive players are typically retards who go for the easiest, lowest effort, most braindead characters in every game they play---it doesn't fucking matter what they choose to play or not because if they don't see a top tier, they're not selecting that character
what matters is how good they are actually, which is irrelevant to how popular they are
>meanwhile even low and bottom tiers in Savior see some play.
what scene(s) are you even basing your claims off?
>I suppose it doesn't matteruch though, Hunter sees no play in the west and little play in East while Savior gets tournaments at nationals like Evo and Combo Breaker. If you like Hunter better good for you I suppose, good luck finding anyone to play it.
I play superior games no matter what their scenes look like. I don't care about popularity, and given what I know about a large segment of Darkstalkers fans, I indeed really shouldn't.

>>6169976
>run
You don't run in Darkstalkers though.

Enjoy playing Hunter by yourself anon.

>>6169970
>DURR THEY'RE BOTH FINE
>HURR I BETCHU DON'T EVEN PLAY THE GAMES YOU POSERS
what other dumb shit did you come here to say?

>>6169981
>You don't run in Darkstalkers though.
Lord Raptor
>Enjoy playing Hunter by yourself anon.
whatever

>>6169976
>air block
Have you never played the Alpha games?
>>6169982
That you're retarded. Post 30 seconds of you playing a fighting game.

>>6169984
>Lord Raptor
He has a crawl.

I guess I'm just looking at the games from a competitive standpoint while you aren't since you are a casual player instead.

>>6169970
ARE YOU SERIOUS????????

>>6169987
>Post 30 seconds of you playing a fighting game.
I don't have video capture.
I play:
>DS
Lord Raptor
>3rd Strike
Necro, Ibuki
>DOA
Leon, Zack, Tina, Bayman, Hayabusa, Eliot, Brad Wong, and so on
>UMVC3
Vergil, Dante, some others
>TVC
Joe the Condor, Tekkaman Blade 2
>Virtua Fighter
Kage-Maru
>GGXX#R
Chipp, some Dizzy and Judgment
>MK
Kabal, Scorpion, Shinnok
>CVS2
Terry, Rolento, Dhalsim
>Project M
>Brawl Minus

this is not a list of everything I've touched, but what I'd be at least mildly enthused to play when given the opportunity

>>6169996
>capcuck
LLLLLLLLLLLLMMMMMMMMMMMAAAAAAAAAAAAAOOOOOOOOO XDDDDD

>>6169990
>I guess I'm just looking at the games from a competitive standpoint while you aren't since you are a casual player instead.
I'm not a casual player. And you're not looking at it from a competitive standpoint. You're regurgitating talking points you've heard others say and try and weave arguments out of that. You don't think for yourself, probably because you are incapable of doing so.
It's fine. You got your lively game and happy peers, don't you?

>>6169998
I've played SNK games, just like I've played trash like Tekken, but I was not impressed so I don't play them anymore.

>>6170000
Please post any competitive Vampire Hunter tournament you attended.

I don't say casual in a bad way, I just mean you clearly are the kind of person who plays arcade mode only. You don't need to take it so personally.

>>6169987
>Have you never played the Alpha games?
hmm, almost as if, like push block which someone other than me mentioned, it was in Darkstalkers before SF or another game... weird right?

>>6170008
You were talking about mechanics unique to darkstalkers and mentioned pushblock, which is in sf and not unique at all to the series.

>>6170005
>you clearly are the kind of person who plays arcade mode only
Spoken like a neckbeard who has no one immediately around him to play the games with.
One of the people I play with head to head is my uncle who has been playing fighting games for ~25 years.
>You don't need to take it so personally.
I do take it personally when you continuously backhandedly insult me and make snide and pompous comments.

>>6170009
>mentioned pushblock
Again, I didn't mention pushblock.
And the point of this stupid argument anyway was whether or not Darkstalkers was basically Street Fighter until the third game.

>>6170010
I'm in NorCal, there's a decent Vampire Savior scene here, never met a Hunter player though. It's nice to hear you spend time with your uncle, though I asked about what competitive Vampire Hunter events you attend. I have never heard of any and am curious on if you can direct me toward any, maybe I can check them out.

>>6169743
Why are you niggers jerking off this piece of shit so hard, new sf games ARE better, Capcom has much better fighting games, alpha series is fucking superior fuck I hate you boomers and your unbalanced turd strike so much

>>6170013
>what Vampire Hunter tournaments you attend
I don't go to any for now.
>I have never heard of any and am curious on if you can direct me toward any
I'll be sure to let you know when I get in the swing; maybe you'll fly all the way from California to attend them and you can tell me all about how much better the series is for having the third game

>>6170020
>niggers
yikes
>new sf games ARE better
if you say and think this, you are a casual, no getting around that
>Capcom has much better fighting games
not really, no
>alpha series is fucking superior fuck
it absolutely is not
>I hate you boomers
I'm not a boomer and 3rd Strike is younger than both Alpha and of course SF2---even younger than DS.
>your unbalanced turd strike
it's not all that unbalanced, but keep coping for why you're shit at the game and will never git gud
stick to babby fighters like Sleep Fighter Bore and Cry.

>>6169996
Post proof faggot, nobody asked you to make a fucking list

>>6170023
That would be nice anon. I asked about what events you have attended. I'm curious to learn what events hosted Hunter, maybe I can find footage online of them. You sound like a veteran and experience player, I would enjoy seeing what Vampire Hunter events you have attended to view footage of them.

I attend Crab Battle, you read about it here. Not sure if you would enjoy it, they host Savior but no Hunter.
https://forums.shoryuken.com/t/norcal-crabattle-every-2nd-sat-belmont-ca-monthlies-for-vsav-cvs2-st-more/577687

>>6170027
you must have missed the part where I said no video capture
why do you not believe I play those games? is it really that hard to think?

>>6170024
>yikes

when the fuck did this place get infested by reddit trannies? ive seen this fucking commie cocksucker word pop up so much lately.

>>6170031
>ive seen this fucking commie cocksucker word pop up so much lately.
it gets used specifically because it makes you seethe

>>6170030
>why do you not believe I play those games? is it really that hard to think?
The idea of you playing a genre that requires skill is pretty hard to believe anon.

>>6170024
>you're a casual
Hahahahahah I'm gold in SFV you fucking NIGGER

>>6170035
Well I assure you I don't button mash like you do. I'm very competent.

>>6170037
>gold in SFV
wow anon I'm so impressed
SFV is such a great game after all with lots of intense competition, must be pretty difficult to coast that far on your high tier

>>6170032
it just makes me think youre a leftist tranny from reddit though. I wasnt even the guy you were replying to or anything I just saw yikes and I am wondering why its been here so much, I thought I left that word behind when I left nosebook.

>>6170041
Okay boomer (:

This whole thread is fabulous. Keep postiing my fluffy rainbow colored unicorns.

>>6170041
>it just makes me think youre a leftist tranny from reddit though
because you're a retard and evidently a newfag
>I wasnt even the guy you were replying to or anything
I know
>I just saw yikes and I am wondering why its been here so much, I thought I left that word behind when I left nosebook
you're a total fucking embarrassment and I hope you pack up for some shithole elsewhere more accommodating to retards such as yourself

>>6170046
Slit your wrist trannie nigger

>>6170037
>SFV

>>6170051
you're a /pol/newfag zoomer aren't you
saying nigger sure is exhilarating ain't it?

>>6170051
Okay boomer

>>6170049
you got anything to add

>>6170053
>zoomer
Yes I am, 20 yo, so what, also by hating/pol/ like that you've proven you're a fucking trannie faggot

>>6170050
lmao yikes is pure reddit speak trannygger apparently you're the newfag you saw a couple trannies use it and picked it up off them. I always saw blue hairs posting it on leftbook groups troll and this was years ago, I havent had facebook for like 3 years. So you're a little behind the times bringing the tranny speak onto our boards.

>>6170046
I'm a proud boomer HE'LL YEAH BORTHER

>>6170062
>this post
Oof

>>6170064
more reddit tranny speak, you really cant help yourself

>>6170064
You'll never be a real woman

>>6170064
so much this

>>6170067
>>6170068
Yikes

All you guys have to do is ignore retarded bait like this, why do you do exactly what shitposters want and reply? I'm not even the guy that started this, I just saw how easily annoyed the posts made and decided to continue it.

>>6170072
zoomer newfaggots don't know any better

>>6170074
i'm neither of those things, its just hard to tell when 4chan seems to have taken a steep decline in quality in the past couple years. trannyjanny was doing damage control a couple months ago, so you can see why its so easy to take the bait. This board is the only form of social media I use anymore and I didnt want it shit up with communist trannies like literally every other place on the internet.

>>6170079
>i'm neither of those things
then you're just severely lacking in critical thinking skills and experience posting here

>>6170083
I might be mistaken but I think it's you actually. You used yikes in response to someone using the word nigger which is common 4chan vernacular that is why you appeared to be the newfag.

>>6170089
>nigger which is common 4chan vernacular
For you refugees that get a rush whenever you post it because it validates your newfound freedom and idea of what 4chan is in contrast to the shitholes you left, but really should have stayed in
and because it's common to call people niggers and trannies on /pol/, when you leak out, you feel like you own the place, like you know better, when in fact you are yet another retard who has been molded into something detestably useless everyone else finds obnoxious, ignorant, and insufferable

I'm not a newfag, a redditor, a tranny, a nigger, or whatever else your go-to insults are. Your radar isn't as sharp as you think it is, and neither is your brain, newfaggot.

>>6165672
SNK made more "realistic" fighting games, stylish and with movie-like plots (except maybe, Samurai Shodown) while Capcom went for the funny, energetic, colorful and cartoon route. Each kind of games has its own flavour. I think I prefer Capcom fighting games but love the SNK way too.

hey janny, you forgot to delete the VERY FIRST POST that started this shit, and deleted MY post about video games responding to said post, so I KNOW you've seen it
and then you have the fucking NERVE to warn ME for "ironic shitposting"

nice going; how about using your brain for once?

>>6169743
SF3 has the most interesting designs in Street Fighter but I still find their designs more interesting. You don't have to agree.

Quick question, how metally impaired is the person moderating this board? Seriously, its starting to show a little.

They’re both fine. You liking one over the other doesn’t make the other one BAD.

>>6169991
GET SERIOUS!

SNK games have always more variety than Capcom, that's just the truth. Play all of them (King of Fighters, Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, World Heroes, Breakers Revenge, Fighters History, Savage Reign, etc) and they never felt similiar to each other.

Meanwhile, every Capcom FGs are literally just Street Fighter/Capcom vs. reskins. And its fanbase are literally Smash-tier faggots, holy shit.SNK games have always more variety than Capcom, that's just the truth. Play all of them (King of Fighters, Fatal Fury, Samurai Shodown, World Heroes, Breakers Revenge, Fighters History, Savage Reign, etc) and they never felt similiar to each other.

Meanwhile, every Capcom FGs are literally just Street Fighter/Capcom vs. reskins. And its fanbase are literally Smash-tier faggots, holy shit.

>>6168562
>2002
>on fightcade
For what purpose? 02 was shit before UM.

>>6165743
>This is the best SNK games get
>Shows MUGEN
literally what

>>6167794
setting and themes are similar, but they're not even comparable gameplay wise other than the use of weapons. it's like comparing metal slug and medal of honor

>>6165672
not sure about fighting games but Capcom definitely made the better beat em ups

snk had great games. but capcom's fighting games were better.

snk vs capcom for example. it's not bad.

but capcom vs snk is sooo much better and makes it feel clunky as shit.

>>6170037
And this is what happens when your game design plan is to tip the scales in favor for the casual scrubs. Et voila, the rise of the entitled noob. Yoshinori Ono should be castrated.

>>6170037
>bragging about being gold in sfv

lmfao you're so gay

>>6165901
>>6165913
you retards both understand the cps2 is more powerful than the neo geo, yes?

>>6168659
>>6168685
I think the only thing SNK didn't have was airdashing if you don't count very specific instances (SS5sp and Kof14), but they have used all of that in their games and even invented some of those.
When you mention "clones" it's very obvious to me that you are talking about KOF, but keep in mind that many characters are similar on purpose (most notably the Art of Fighting team), since you need 3 of them.
You seem to forget about the Real Bout games (that all are very gimmicky), the obscure Buriki One and think that The Last Blade and Samsho play the same. Hell, you even forget games from Capcom like Cyberbots or Rival Schools in your boast.
I also disagree with how you think that Capcom's games have a higher skill ceiling, but I agree that Capcom had more variety in their fighters.
>>6170734
>And its fanbase are literally Smash-tier faggots
A lot of Capcom fanboys grew up with their games on consoles.

>>6170708
HEY HEY HEY

>>6172564
neither of those guys but that really just showcases how much better SNKs artists were back then