/vr/ - Retro Games

What are you going to offer as tier rewards?

So far, it seems like arcade cabinets average about 1000-1500 bucks, depending on rarity and how much DIY-work i can do/afford to pay someone to do.

It also looks like electricity won't be TOO much, about $15 buck a month per cabinet.

Haven't checked out leasing prices for local locations, yet, though.

Also, >>615651 , I haven't thought of any yet.

credit feeding is what killed arcades in america, remember that, people gave up trying to 1cc and just say the game is too hard

>>615648
Whatever you do, don't charge per play. You'll never make a profit. And remember "location, location, location."

http://onlineathens.com/local-news/2013-01-11/retro-arcarde-offers-flashback

It's probably in your best interest to also make it a bar, but you could probably make it so you allow children until a certain hour.

>>615668
I would look into how do deal with all the electricity without blowing the circuits. It'll probably be a factor in what location you get, or maybe you'll just be forced into getting an electrician to set things up....I don't really know how it works.

>>615694
>charging admission for an arcade
That is literally the first time I've ever heard anything like that, and it sounds so perfect, that I don't know why I haven't thought of it sooner.

>>615694
>>615681
That... makes a LOT of sense.

Tricky part'll be figuring out EXACTLY how much to charge, how long to stay open for, how long to...

Wait a minute. If it Kickstarts successfully, I won't have to recoup the startup cost at all.
I'll just have to make sure that it keeps itself (and whatever employees) afloat, HOPEFULLY turning at least a small profit.

i'd generaly think you'd do better if you would go around trying to place one or two in several other bars/pubs.
you bring the arcades to others and do the maintenance and share the income with the owners of the location.

that way you could start out with only a few cabinets instead of a whole hall.
also safer to do this because you wouldn't have as much running costs.

I thought people it was against the rules to use Kickstarter as a way to fund a business.

But let's go on topic since I like to support those who still love Arcades.

>>615694

This guy is right, charging for play isn't profitable anymore, mostly because today Arcades tend to charge way too much per game and people don't want to lose 10 dollars just for a couple of games except to keep their children entertained. The bar idea is great too.

The question is: What kind of machines are you planning to get? I suppose you're talking about a varied selection of oldies, simulators and maybe some custom made machines where you could put some modern fighting games.

>>615729
I don't really know much about arcades, but I would make sure to have plenty of events so you create strong community

>>615734
I was planning on getting at least my personal favorites, multiplayer games, fighting games and the like.

If I charge for all-day admission, i might even have a couple of modern consoles, even... which would lead to things like >>615742 fighting game tournaments and the like.

>>615698

Careful saying stuff like that on /vr/. A thread about MAME on here the other day got started on it and some anons flipped the fuck out.

Personally, I don't have any qualms with it. Seems like all businesses have to make compromises these days, you can't thrive on a one-trick pony anymore.

>>615750

Tournaments are a great way to advertise your local. You could start with small, weekly tournaments of popular games and the prize money could be part of the money used for admisions.

One thing you have to consider is the noise. If you're adding a snack shack/bar/etc., make sure it's isolated from the machines, some people may like the sound of games, others may just want to relax.

>>615756
Just so you know, I'm going to doing this ACTUALLY legit. Completely legal, no MAME, no emulation, etc. etc. etc.

>>615757
I forgot about the snack bar. I remember that being part of the staying power for the local skating rink, before it removed its arcade machines...

>>615716
Be forewarned however, it's across the street from a large university in a bohemian town with a ton of foot traffic. A lot of its business comes from students taking a study break and grabbing a beer, chilling out between classes, people coming out of the zillion rock clubs around it late at night, professors with their families, and the people tailgating at football games. So, like he says; location,location, location.

California Extreme is a great place to find games. You just have to be able to transport them. http://www.caextreme.org/

Maybe a little premature, Anon, but do you have a name picked out? Also, where is "local area"? If you actually made this work, I might just plan a vacation around it one of these days.

>>615770
Norman, Oklahoma. Happens to be the housing of Oklahoma University, so >>615769 would hopefully work out in my favor.

>>615775
Housing? I meant location.

I'm tired.

I hate to say it OP, but you have to remember if you do this that you're running a business, and have to treat it as such. It's great to be able to do something you love for a living, but if you treat it as your personal club house and don't know the first thing about actually making money, then it won't last very long.

>>615780
Oh, I'm definitely looking for the quickest, easiest way to maximize profits.

>>615775
If it's anywhere near as "hipster" as Athens is(I mean that in a good way), you should be in the clear.

>>615768

It's not only necessary, but mandatory if you want your business to suceed. Just think about Bowling Alleys, regular bars, those kind of places where people go to chill and have some fun. Fast food, snacks and drinks are part of the base of these kinds of business. May be complicated but you'd give it a nice touch if you were to make the food yourself instead of selling prepacked food. You know, the basic stuff, pizza, burgers, fries with cheese, sodas, beer. Stuff to give people a quick snack so they can relax.

Consider... Peter Piper Pizza for example, just smaller and with videogames as the main attraction. Add some different kind of music and illumination during late night, make people understand the place also works as a bar for those who want to go and relax.

>>615782
slotmachines.

OP, you gonna have ticket prizes?

>>615841
Ticket prizes seem a bit silly, given that I'm probably going to go with pay-to-enter, free-to-play.

>>615841

Leave that to kid-aimed arcades.

>>615847
Okay, good point, but some sort of incentive to come back would be a good idea.

Maybe you could offer prizes to the person who gets the highest score in a certain game.

>>615768

My advice; don't rely on Kickstarter as your only source of capital, especially so for a very localized project like this.

Kickstarter works well for products that can be owned/shipped/delivered, since donators/investors (it's still unclear what Kickstarter backers are) can expect a concrete end benefit, which means it's easy for people with geographically diffuse interests to pool resources.

In terms of funding locations, things get a little harder. Someone out in Europe is unlikely to fund a physical arcade location in the US. Also, a location isn't easily wrapped up and delivered under private ownership.

Best of luck, but be realistic; depending on your location the capital needed for the lease alone may be a big chunk and it's doubtful a Kickstarter campaign can cover even half of that.

>>615847
>pay-to-enter, free-to-play
So what are you thinking about for your machines as another anon said about credit feeding. Three credits in a row limit (including the initial credit) or what for those games that actually do have endings to make them more appealing for a longer period of time instead of just hammering through them through sheer brute force.

Also how would you handle that since you cannot see what everyone is doing all the time, some sort of system people who get admitted that they have and they slide in and the machine recognizes it as the same "credit stick" or what?

Another problem with this is some people might not understand why they would be stopped from credit feeding as well and feel stopping them would be antagonizing them if you don't have a system which shuts them out without human intervention.

>>615856
Oh man, an actual function for the high score boards? Never even thought of that. Would be cool/interesting to try, at least a couple of times.

>>615868
I was only going to rely on Kickstarter for the bare minimum of startup costs. Stretch goals would be things like additional machines, the cool rug, etc. etc., but I was fully planning on MAKING money through, you know, running a good business.


>>615872
I' probably going to literally set every machine to Free Play mode, and only let people in to play games if they pay up front to get in.

Though, I may look into doing like, Challenge Wednesdays as an event, with free admission, and standard Quarter-per-Play...

>>615882
You should probably just keep it at free-play, but increase the difficulty. Arcade games are pretty short, so someone could easily finish a game in one sitting, then get bored and never come back.

>>615882
Well as this guy said: >>615681 with everything on free play what would prevent someone from doing a game like Metal Slug from start to end with getting ten or more game overs and just powering through it that entire day? When they do that they might not have as much interest in going back to the game because they "beat" it, even if it came at the cost of many additional credits to continue going thus some games might not have the longevity you'd like.

I don't see free play as a problem with fighting games though since they tend to thrive on two players competing against one another instead of the player against the game most of the time.

Kickstarter cannot be used to fund a growing business, as it is not "a clear goal and is too open ended".

I'm not shitting on your thread, I just wanted you to think about this fact.

>>615904

Divided sections?

>>615904
Ooh, I see now. In that case, I suppose if I see that a particular machine is getting neglected, then I might >>615856 at it

>Kickstarter

Use Indiegogo

>>615918
Having a rotation of games might work too, between games you think that could be beaten easily. Games like Galaga or Pac-Man are basically endless so you can keep those around and they'll be played, but a Metal Slug or beat-em up might lose attention after a while.

>>615938
What exactly are the benefits of using indiegogo as opposed to kickstarter?

>>615959
Paypal as opposed to Amazon?

What sorts of games are you thinking about? More co-op orientated ones? I went to an arcade in So Cal at the pier and it was pretty bad because the condition of the machines and the fact that I went with a friend (I probably wouldn't have gone if I didn't have him around) and there was a lack of co-op games. Ended up with just a busted Simpsons Arcade game and Area 51.

It is a huge bummer when you come with friends and all you can do is do one player games, especially if it is only one friend and don't want to split up. Though that is me.

>>615970
I was definitely going to track down things like Gauntlet, House of the Dead, Metal Slug...

I just realized I don't have a definite list of games yet.
Feel free to recommend.

>>615982

>>615959
Biggest benefit is you still receive the donations even if you don't reach your goal, whereas Kickstarter is all-or-nothing. With Indiegogo, if you don't meet your goal, you just pay a 9% service fee instead of 4%.

Also, Kickstarter has their 5% fee, plus another 5% fee from Amazon, so you're already paying a larger donation percentage regardless.

I guess the only benefit Kickstarter has over Indiegogo is the name recognition, but even that is starting to dwindle as people become more familiar with the latter

>>615998
I noticed that it's labeled as Fixed Funding and Flexible Funding.

Do I have to decide which beforehand?

Because if it doesn't get enough for the bare minimum, I won't bother to try with that small an amount.

On the other hand, 99% of the goal would likely be enough, and it would have to be a shame to quit there...

>>615982
Raiden II was always one of my favorite 2 player games. Soul Blade was fun, too.

Obviously you have to have at least one Golden Axe game.

>>615998
By the way, this is from experience in doing campaigns with both sites. Another benefit with Indiegogo is people don't have to create an account to donate; they can just use paypal or a credit card. On Kickstarter, they have to register an account on the site and all that shit, and some people who aren't entirely savvy with computers don't want to go throught that

>>615982
Can check this list out and look up youtube videos on the game play.

http://vsrecommendedgames.wikia.com/wiki/Arcade_games

>>616014
>Soul Blade

I meant Soul Edge. Sorry; it's been around 18 years since I played it.

>>616008
Yeah you decide beforehand. It's explained here
http://www.indiegogo.com/how-pricing-works-on-indiegogo
Probably just go with flexible funding if you're not positive you'll reach your goal

i dont understand op, how do you expect to b successful with kick starter when you are not allowed to fund a startup business?

>>616047
According to their guidelines, the only thing that would be a problem is the fact that you can't purchase real estate. This would easily be mitigated by simply leasing instead.

Although, as some anons have pointed out, it would probably be a better idea to use indiegogo instead of kickstarter.

>>615982
Cadillacs and Dinosaurs.

>>615729
Look, if Kickstarter is going to be your only funding, you'll never get funded.

Kickstarter is always additional funding. It can never make your whole budget. For things that require 10,000, it normally amassed 20-30k. Kickstarters that get millions are for things that are going to cost triple that to develop.

>>615782
Let's be honest, that's not how business works.

You should partner with someone experienced in making money.

>>615847
On the other hand, pay-to-enter may end up scaring off all the casual visitors.

Maybe the best bet would be being outright free for awhile.

The snack bar is an absolute necessity.

>>616089
I'm not going to blindly implement the quickest way to make money, if that's what you're thinking.

It is something that's worth knowing, though. Gathering knowledge to make efficient plans and all that.

You are right, though.

Ridge Racer 1. That game actually gave me the understanding I needed to learn to drive standard in a real car.

Just a reminder that the most successful gaming related kickstarter turned out toy grade junk.

Pay to enter free to play only works if your crowd is very very small. It will create chaos. Just set the machines to a quarter per credit. By today's money, it's cheap, but regulates things quite well. Just look at Barcade in Brooklyn, their machines are a quarter, and that venue works out nicely.

OP, I respect your plan and genuinely hope it works

That said, as an arcade customer I would expect the following from your establishment

1: fair prices on games. the last two arcades in my hometown were charging like two dollars for a round of time crisis. no! no. because:

2: keep the place clean. it doesn't need to look like martha stewart lives there but honestly, if i'm throwing dosh in your machine i want the machines to at least look like they've been wiped down

3: make sure the machines work. hire a guy whose only job is to patrol every few hours and make sure everything is mechanically in order.

4: security. even if it's just your big friend jim or something, make sure there's someone there to keep order. drug dealers love arcades, that's what killed my favourite, not to mention asshole kids trashing machines (RIP in piece, street fighter 3) and in general making it a place i don't want to be in

5:snack bar is a must. maybe a small lounge area. honestly, if you can find a building that used to be a bowling alley, that'd be perfect, it's already set up pretty much exactly how a good arcade should be - seats, a bar for concession or liquor or whatever, bathrooms, all the necessities

why not have both? you could charge by the half hour to hour increments and also have those with a few bucks in their pockets to use quarters or tokens. for free play you can hand out cards they can return when they expire or keep them of they don't use up all Their time?
also set up air hockey/pool table /darts? tourneys prices can be snacks, free play time, and maybe some money from the entry fee. those basketball hoop games are always fun maybe to have those games in the bar area and all the arcade games in another area. you don't have to disallow kids from entering three bar area. bowling alleys have bars and kids are in there all the time.

Get a Metal Slug cabinet of some kind.
Seriously.

>>616128
>rechargeable cards

This, if games are going to be more than a quarter (which is something I have in my pockets at all times) a card would be an attractive prospect

>>616127
As an arcade customer, would you spend money just to get in, if the games were all free to play?

A barcade that offered tokens of proportional value to any drinks or food the customers bought has always sounded like the most elegant solution to me

Like if a customer buys a beer they get 3 credits or something, if they buy a cocktail they get 5 etc

the good things about arcades: I'm bored, let's go to the arcade. I've got time to spare, I'll play some arcades. let's go out for a drink at the arcade. if anything good beer and entertainment will keep your business afloat

>>616150
absolutely yes. I can't think of a single good reason i wouldn't

>>616116
Which was?

>>616150

Depends on the "time limit" that I'd imagine would be placed, I guess.

I'd consider it a waste of money if I blew fifty bucks to get in, only for an emergency happen or if my friends call me up to chill at their place, or whatever the case may be for why i leave.

And yeah, that would be my choice and "tough luck" and all that, but there wouldn't be much positive reinforcement in action working to get me to come back if this happened repeatedly, and it would.

>getting vidya players to go outside

good luck

take a look at this site, http://www.jammaboards.com/
take a look at their store they sell all kinds of PCBs with multiple games and multigame cartridges for the neogeo MVS. they also sell spar

also make sure to read the manual for the arcade before you buy it,
and check the pcb for any damage
and change the batteries because some asshole companies (like neogeo) puts suicidal batteries that leak acid when they die to ruin the pcb

Just a reminder, I want this to be a place that every single person (with a decent job) can afford to go to every day.

>>616165

It's pretty easy

They would just go from being inside one stuff room that smells like sweat from playing video games all day into another

a "rested XP" angle where you get a personalized member's card, and as you reach certain tiers of money spent - every $100 dollars spent, say - your card "levels up" and you gain a 5% discount per "level"

even better, offer "side quests" - spend $40 in a night on food, for example - and you could gain a "buff" for your next five visits where nachos are half off or some shit

I dunno, I think it'd be cool

maybe a good idea to have beer and no fancy cocktails as liquor tends to attract girls and girls attract douches. maybe a good idea to not have liquor at all a it will keep the rowdiness down. beer and soft drinks and snacks...fried food and sammiches

>>616173

>getting them to stand for hours

>>616189
>snack bar and lounge area
>lounge area has a couple tvs and consoles for modarn gaems

>>616184

Beer. Soda. Cheese Fries. Nachos. Pizza. Wings. Club sammiches. Veggie burgers for the vegan bros.

Sounds good.

>>616189
Bar stools, motherfucker. Most arcades have them.

>>616184

Excuse me sir do not take it personally but this is an observation I need to and I do so with the intention of considering this and hopefully improving your life

You sound like a faggot

>>616150
One thing I'd like to point out is those bigass machines like Time Crisis and etc burn more juice than the Activision 50-in-1 classics in the corner.

That being said, I'm not dropping 2$ on a game for a 45 second play. You gotta measure out the cost of keeping that beast running and keeping people feeding it because 9/10 you'll lose out.

You need to keep the place packed to stay running, much less turn a profit. Income is low and prone to valleys. But it's doable. Just don't go into it thinking this is gonna pay for your kids' college educations.

>>616173
proper ventilation and regular cleaning. maybe even have a standard enforced after 9pm. maybe have black tie nights/ button up shirts and slacks, etc. for a lounge setting. a gentlemans night? the thing about a headcase is that it won't only attract gamers, but also social casual gamers. they will be the return customers

>>616195
>a faggot with a stable job and realistic outlook on life

>>616195
It's not like he's wrong.

>>616232
It's not like those are rare.

>>616232
>realistic outlook on life
>lowering potential clientele simple because you don't like them

>>616242
>lowering potential problematic clientele

let's move on

>>616157
Ouya, got 8x its funding goal and still ended up as junk. self sage for non vr

>>616242

There's such a thing as a bad client that will actually drive away other customers and cost you money.

I know at work there are just some people we're better off sending to terrorize our competitors.

And holy fuck are they ever mad when they find out we sent them.

>>615847
just get a few generic games like the circle dome of lights where you try to stop the light, crane games, token games etc. Your cabinets don't have to be exclusive free-to-play

OP, must be part nighclub/venue...

>>616290

How do cocktails bring in problematic clientele except the imaginary one you came up with?

The kind of girls that would come to a barcade aren't even the same kind of girls that douchebags would go after

>>616321
alcohol + electronics. meh

On a related note, I am mildly morally opposed to the idea of being drunk, especially when it comes to playing skill-based video games, so I don't even think I'll server alcohol

>>616334
good because drunk people will wreak unnecessary ware on controllers and sticks and machines in general

>>616334

Good luck OP, you'll need it

>>616334

Dude there is no harm in selling bottles of beer and then keeping them confined to a lounge area. None at all.

If someone starts getting really rowdy, either confine them to the lounge area or kick them out.

Seriously, not serving beer would be detrimental to your business. Beer is awesome. Games are awesome.

>>616343
$8 beers is how you get them man.
Also yeah, get your friend Tony to hang out in case of rowdiness, whether you have alky or not.

If you don't have a Tony, go make some friends.

>>616350
>$8 beers

I would spit on your face if you told me that

>>616354
Have you, like, ever been to a theme bar?

>>616354
>confirmed for 'water, please'
>confirmed for surprised when a bill comes with it

>>616343
>Beer is awesome.
Beer is shit, and people who drink it are shitty, but the point stands: OP should sell it unless he's going for the family-friendly atmosphere.

Most gaming arcades are beer-drinking, cigarette-smoking dens of noise and gaming skill.

>>616368

>drinking water
>at a bar

Excuse me?

>>616372
I'm with you on the second two for sure, the first two however means I'd sure as fuck stay away from your arcade even if it was the only one in a hundred miles.

>>616372

>Beer is shit

bet u hav all teh fun dont ye m8?

>>616372
Every arcade and amusement park/area I have ever been to has some kind of lounge where adult beverages can be purchased.

They used to be such dens, but most of those went under remember. Family-friendly is what gets you the white folks with the pocket money.

OP, I am pretty sure that almsot a requirement for you at this point is to get some money together and go to Japan.

Unlike the West, Japan has these small family-business gaming arcades EVERYWHERE. Last time I was in Tokyo, tiny gaming centers were behind every corner.

The point is, walk around, see what's more popular, what's next to what, and absorb the experience. Japan really is the only modern place to see how small non-chain arcades can work.

>>616378
ikr

>>616389
Could he just watch the arcade tour segment of Game Center CX episodes and get the same experience?

>>616384
So would I. The fact is, though, that the two go hand in hand.

A modern arcade is not where 12 year olds would go. It's a place for 20-somethings. 20-something drink and smoke. The ones like you and me are still a minority, even among the types that would go to a gaming arcade.

Again, as I said in >>616389 , go see how it works in Japan. They drink and smokewhile they fight each other on Persona 4 Mayonaka Arena and Street Fighter IV machines connected to a LAN.

>>616394
Of course not. Have you seen customers in any of those videos? They're probably killed before the filming begins. The videos are nothing like the real things, actually.

>>616397
>>616384

>being this afraid of beer

what the fuck is wrong with you neckbeards?

not trying to normalfag but fucking christ, live a little

>>616397
Doesn't change that it's a terrible idea.

Alcohol just makes for angry drunks who can't take a loss and piss down the back of cabinets, if smoking is allowed indoors then you're effectively saying that it's smokers only, because non smokers won't want any of that shit.

If they want to kill themselves they can do it outside.

>>616412

If OP is a smart guy then I don't even need to say this but avoid try to appeal to these people because someone that's as afraid of human interaction as this guy isn't going to leave his house anyway

>>616406
>what the fuck is wrong with you neckbeards?
Far from being a neckbeard, I'm the sort of person who goes to the gym daily, no exceptions. I swim half an our every morning, ski and bike. Beer is atrocious, and beer drinkers are revolting.

>>616334
Welp, confirmed for dead in the water

Whether you oppose the idea or not, a huge majority of adults want to have a drink or two when they go out. You can either add it to your business and see higher profit or make a moralfag "bar" where the clientele are sullen teenagers who burn the cabinets with lighters and children

Let me tell you how the average night at a bar goes for me - not a "let's go get hammered" night, but a let's go out night. I go to the bar. I order a beer and maybe some wings. I enjoy my drink and food. Play pool. Maybe drop a few bucks and try my luck at keno. Maybe gamble a bit on pull tabs. Have another beer, if I had a big day maybe I'll get something more substantial for dinner, a burger or a chicken caesar or something.

I'm there for maybe three hours. Total bill is usually around forty bucks. It doesn't take a genius to see the money potential here - I ate five dollars worth of food and drank maybe six dollars worth of beer, the rest is profit

>>616416
>Not wanting to have a fuckton of tobacco smoke in my face makes me afraid of human interaction

>>616412

Look man, I agree with you on the smokers thing, but only because cig smoke actually can mess with cabinets.

Your beef with alcohol is pretty weak though, considering he'd have security. Not only would beer be a good source of income for his business, but beer+games=awesome. Period.

I know you're an innocent /v/irgin and would never touch the demon's nectar but the rest of the world would like to live a little. Not everyone turns into an angry drunk, anon. Its actually a vast minority that becomes belligerent when wasted, and its hard to get THAT drunk off of beer anyway.

Plus, you can cut people off at a certain amount if they're getting too far gone. Honestly, there are a lot of ways to go about it.

Well, anyway, I'm tired as fuck. When I awake, I'll read through the thread. Hopefully it won't have fallen of the end of the board by then, but hey.

Feel free to continue posting whatever pros and cons of selling whatever.

>>616178
really? no input? I think this would kick some serious ass

>>616421
you're just a pussy

>>616420
>moralfag "bar" where the clientele are sullen teenagers who burn the cabinets with lighters and children
More importantly, children don't have the fucking money to spend. They are the ones who will try their hardest to not pay, because they simply can't.

Adults, on the other hand, will not only pay, but willingly pay extra for convenience and comfort.

>>616426
>Your beef with alcohol is pretty weak though, considering he'd have security. Not only would beer be a good source of income for his business, but beer+games=awesome. Period.
Yeah, to be honest I'm kind of on the fence about the alcohol.

If it's all segregated then I can get behind it, if it's people playing games while having a bottle of beer balanced on the cabinet next to them, then that's what I'm talking about.

>>616426
>it's hard to get THAT drunk off of beer
when i'm beer drunk, i'm a sloppy i love you man drunk. when i'm whiskey drunk, i'm COME ON YOU FUCKERS WHO WILL FACE THE MIGHTY COCKSMASHINGTON IN SINGLE COMBAT IN THE COCKTAGON

have a security guard and maybe don't serve shit that gets people absolutely indian drunk (tequila, rye, jagermeister) and you'll be fine

>>615902
If you change the difficulty from default you completely kill the competition aspect because you can't compare scores with other arcades.

>>616421

>ignorant holier than thou attitude

You act like beer drinkers are all overweight slobs that are alcoholics. I'm exactly like >>616420

I'm a student athlete, but still enjoy some beers every now and then. Again, you should live a little. Your life sounds terrible.

>goes to gym daily
>doesn't know that a day of rest in your regimen improves results

seriously kid, have a beer

>>616412
>Alcohol just makes for angry drunks who can't take a loss and piss down the back of cabinets

Are you 8 years old? Have you never been around people that drink? Your idea of what drunk people are like sounds like something that a child was fed to them by their mormon parents

Most bars have pool tables and darts, does everyoneyou know that drinks missing an eye or showed up to work with a bandaged head? Has every bar (assuming you ever went to any) smell like piss?

>>616436
I'm not afraid of scrawny thin-haired beersuckers, you know. Nobody int he world is. It's just that some people dislike them, some are them, and there is no third option.

The point still stands: if OP doesn't sell beer, his arcade is kaput.

>>616430
This is an arcade, not an MMO.

>>616447
it's the kind of thing i would feel good about spending my money on because i feel a) involved and b) like i'm being rewarded for loyal patronage. i also think i'm not the only one who would have a lot of fun with that

>>616448
>I'm a student athlete
The stupid type, then. Makes sense you drink beer. You do what your'e told, regardless of whether it's good for you or bad.

Pursuing athletics while at college ruins your academic acheivement. Drinking beer ruins your health.

Make no mistake, though, I don't consider beer-drinkers bad people per se, I just don't like how they smell.

>>616450
I've not had fantastic experiences with people drinking alcohol, they've typically been cocksmashingtons like >>616443 described.

If controlled properly, I've no problem with it.

>>616448
>>goes to gym daily
>>doesn't know that a day of rest in your regimen improves results
What results? I'm not doing it for ugly muscle mass, I'm doing it to be healthy. Same with beer: I don't drink it just because the commercials told me and retarded friends all do it. Beer tastes like piss and is very bad for your health; only stupid people drink it, period.

>>616452

>beersuckers

captcha: ingirth you

Gary "You can't Ignore his girth" Oak gives no shits how you feel about people that drink beer. At least I'm in touch with the real world and don't have Mormon views on alcohol

>>616462
.. You realize you can do 'athletics', though I doubt this guy does more than beer pong, and academics without sacrificing either? You're not going in with 10 stat points to distribute, you can be well-read, educated, intelligent, and still be physically fit.

Sounds like you do what you're told too, Chumley. Beer is empty calories, yeah, shitsux. Push your comfort zone a little.

>>616474

So.

OP's right in disliking moderately drunk people and smokers, but organizing what's technically a theme bar and then banning alcohol and tobacco is unrealistic. As simple as that.

>>616462
Don't go backpedaling now, you've made beer drinkers out to be disgusting, fat slobs for the last half of the thread. If you think you're better than them at least grow some balls and admit it.

I don't even drink beer and think you sound like the most pretentious faggot in the world. The only thing that brings me any relief is knowing that the people you surround yourself with are as undoubtedly as shallow and unlikeable as you are.

>>616421
you people -ARE- aware that the majority of drinkers can, in fact, hold their liquor and refrain from starting fistfights and whipping their dick out and pissing everywhere? does all you knowledge of bars come from television or were your parents just abusive drunks? if it's the latter, i feel for you seeing as i dealt with that situation myself. no excuse for the former, however. learn some self control and accept that other people drink in moderation and take your gym-going, braggart ass back to /fit/

>>616476
>you can be well-read, educated, intelligent, and still be physically fit.
OR you can be a beer drinker.

>>616462

>The stupid type.

Nope. I'm actually a Chemistry major, I just play on the side and fill in for home games, show up to practices to play with the starting players to keep them at their best, etc.

You're a pretty ignorant person man

>>616481
>Don't go backpedaling now, you've made beer drinkers out to be disgusting, fat slobs for the last half of the thread.
I said scrawhy thin-haired. I never even mentioned fat. It's a myth that beer makes people fat.

I'd never drink and game, but I support selling booze because it subsidizes the gamers who don't deliberately slow down their reactions.

Of course, the retarded "free to play" idea stops this working.

>>616464
that's why you hire security. 99% of people can control themselves around a couple drinks, and let's be honest, there are better venues for a night of getting shithammered and chasing pussy than an arcade, and the other 1% can be escorted out by a guy the size of a house

>>616482
>you people -ARE- aware that the majority of drinkers can, in fact, hold their liquor and refrain from starting fistfights and whipping their dick out and pissing everywhere?
Of course. They are still rtarded and disgusting, AND smell like shit, but they won't ruin OP's arcade.

OP will ahve to tolerate them if he's building a retro type of arcade (as opposet to ticket-based automatized playgrounds).

>>616470
>very bad for your health

The main active ingredient of beer is alcohol, and therefore, the health effects of alcohol apply to beer. The moderate consumption of alcohol, including beer, is associated with a decreased risk of cardiac disease, stroke and cognitive decline.[154][155][156][157]

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beer#Health_effects

>>616483

Again, you seem to be confused as to what a "beer drinker" even is.

You seem to think that they're all alcoholics, that they can't stop at one or two beers with their food at the restaurant. That they HAVE to have like two cases of beer and get to the point to where their sweat smells like beer.

God you're so fucking ignorant

>>616489
>Of course, the retarded "free to play" idea stops this working.
It's a good idea, but not easy to implement if the arcade is all you've got. If you charge per entrance, no-one will go and that'd be it. It could only work if the arcade is inside your bar, and if a customer wants to go play the noisy cabinets is the sideroom, they pay a little entry fee.

>>616496
Free to play goes against everything that makes arcades great. It probably would appeal to drunk gamers.

>>616494
>Again, you seem to be confused as to what a "beer drinker" even is.
It's a person who keeps drinking an overpriced, hazardous liquid that tastes bad despite the overwhelming medical disapproval of it.

Simply because it contains alcohol. I.e., they feed an unhealthy addiction and brag about it.

Pathetic.

>arguing with straight-edge/no personality health fags

This isn't an option anymore and you're never going to be able to turn the world into mindless drones that follow your narrow view like the quasi-religious nuts you are.

>>616498
>Free to play goes against everything that makes arcades great. It probably would appeal to drunk gamers.
Who else is going to sustain it, though? The three serious shmuppers left int he world? Autistic SFII tourneyfags?

>>616487

>its a myth that beer makes people fat

actually, alcoholics tend to retain water, which causes bloating, which makes them look fat.

Lagers in particular do contain 120+ calories a bottle, and if an alcoholic goes to town on a large pack of beer, he or she is consuming a shit ton of calories.

MOST beer drinkers only have a couple with their meal, so its aight though.

Time to grow up, kiddie

>Not serving alcohol

Welp, see you guys at Dave and Busters, gonna win my bitch a Domo-Kun plushie.

OP, go to successful arcades like Gameworks, and Dave & Busters. See how they run their model. I recommend spending a week going to each, taking notes, playing games, talking to employees. You'll get invaluable insight.

Shit, the bartender alone can tell you how the business does just from what he/she's forced to observe while working. Get used to the idea of prize-grabbers/ticket spewers. That shit works for a reason.

Fuck the people who don't drink, they'll always be the minority. A good business appeals to the lowest common denominator. You're Wal-Mart not Whole Foods.

>>616501

>ignores >>616493

You're just making yourself out to be a shithead

>>616501
see >>616493

>>616502
>straight-edge/no personality health fags
Ha ha, beer's a big part of your personality? Oh boy.

Anyway, OP, I hope it's obvious to you that if you ban beer, you'll have a huge backlash. Beer drinkers are ont he level of shit, but they are going to be your customers. You can't ban drinkers and smokers from a bar, and arcade that isn't a bar is counterproductive.

>>616490
Well, if OP can find a bouncer that could handle just about anybody then I've no problem with people drinking at a bar etc.

My experiences with alcohol haven't been fantastic so I'd just be there for the games but if I've no need to be worried that cocksmashington is going to challenge me to single combat for whatever reason he chooses, then yeah I'd say OP should go for some sort of a (non-smoking) bar.

>>616501
Despite being one of the more dangerous drugs most people are capable of using alcohol safely.

Arcades are great because they are so competition/skill focused. Pay to play enforces this. Alcohol is completely the wrong drug for the arcade attitude, but it should probably be served anyway because it will make people spend more money and arcades need all the extra money they can get.

>>616504
>actually, alcoholics tend to retain water, which causes bloating, which makes them look fat.
Beer drinkers are only mildly alcoholic, though. Rarely to the point of water retention. If they become addicted enough, they jsut graduate to stronger crinks. People who drink beer throughout their life only get actually sick towards their 40s.

>>616510

Where did he say that beer is a part of his personality?

Your ignorance is over 9000 man. If I knew you irl I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be your friend.

I'd even consider mugging you and leaving you for dead, because you practically have it coming with all the ignorance spewing from your posts.

>>616508
I didn't even see that post.

Anyway, yes, alcoholics like to cite that alcohol decreases the heart attack risk. They also ignore the overwhelming amount of studies on regular consumption of alcohol doing irreversible damage every single fucking ogran of the human baody, from liver to brain.

Google "alcohol health risk", you goddamn addict. Sage.

>>616512
I think I can honestly say the only bars I've ever been to that I've considered bad places to be are the ones that DON'T have a bouncer. I like to drink, sometimes I drink too much, usually I'm responsible, and even I get uncomfortable with the idea that Cocksmashington could be lurking out there waiting and nobody would stop him.

Bouncers MUST be a part of any liquor business. If it isn't a law it should be. Every time - well, except one, but that bar caught fire so it wasn't the bouncer's fault - I've been to a bar with a bouncer I've been safe and happy.

>>616502

Health fags tend to shit up every thread they post in, its just in their nature

>Ignorance
Check
>Uneducated, tyrannical opinions
Check
>posts filled with typos
Check

>>616517
>Where did he say that beer is a part of his personality?
He made an automatic assumption that people who argue against alcohol are "no-ersonality". That implies that alcohol is an important part of an interesting personality.

that'swhataddictsactuallybelieve.tiff

>>616510
>Ha ha, beer's a big part of your personality? Oh boy.

No, not being a shithead that actively avoids people simply because they engage in common vices that I don't allows me to have a personality

>>616519
>alcoholics like to cite
I didn't realize everyone on Wikipedia was a booze-slamming alcoholic. Of course there are health risks with alcohol ABUSE you moron, just like if you were to suck down ten gallons of water in a day you'd probably die. 7/10 troll, had me legit mad earlier, but nobody can be this retarded

>>616519

>Calls me an addict despite me claiming I only have a couple beers every now and then(herp derp this means ON OCCASION)
>Sages

tell me, what does it like to have a vagina?

>>616524
>DON'T DARE SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT MY HARMFUL INTOXICANTS!

>>616526

Actually, you're just reading into implications that aren't there to further your own bullshit.

>>616527
>Of course there are health risks with alcohol ABUSE you moron,
Regular consumption of beer is alcohol abuse.

If you drink, like, a bottle a month, then of course there's no risk. But then there's nothing to discuss either. We're only talking about people who come home from work and drink a few beers, which is enough to ruin your liver in the span of 10-15 years.

>>616519
"Moderate" alcohol consumption actually does reduce all cause mortality, even taking into account people who stop drinking because they get sick. However "moderate" as defined by medical science is a much lower dose than "moderate" as defined by the average drinker. Also the benefit is reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, which can be easily reduced in other ways, and the cost is increased risk of cancer, which is much harder to reduce. If you already life a healthy lifestyle taking low dose alcohol will probably increase risk of death.

>>616526

That's the kind of retarded logic you'd except from a health fag, I guess not thinking for yourself gave you brain atrophy

>>616519

Haha. Good one! An unnecessary sage!

What's it feel like having a vagina man?

Guys guys, all this arguing about pay to enter vs pay to play, how about a best of both worlds compromise?

Free to enter, play games with tokens, buy tokens at the counter to play (buying more tokens at once gets you more for your money) and offer 10% money back in tokens for any merchandise purchased. (Spend $10 on a T-shit with your arcade's name and logo on it? get $1 worth of tokens back)

That way you could buy a paper cup full of tokens and have a blast for a few hours, or a family could share a large stack of tokens between them, or somebody who just wants to burn 10 minutes could get just a few tokens and be done with it.

>>616535
[citation needed]

Guys, ignore the shithead healthfag. He's thriving off of this attention and won't stop until the thread 404's.

Just stop

>>616540

Why not just use quarters?

>Yet another healthfag, shitting up a thread

big surprise

OP, I guess we're done here. I come back and this is what happens. tsk tsk tsk.

fuck off, healthfag

>>616545
Actually, I just realized that I am arguing with addicts about their addictions.

That is counterproductive.

>>616547
Because you can't control the exchange rate that way, plus you can't do things like offering 10% of their money back on merc purchased.

Short answer: Flexibility.

>>616552
See, OP? These are your customers. They are going to pay your bills. You can't ban beer. Just throw them outside whenever one's too loud.

>>616553
>I'm outnumbered
>It can't be because I'm actually wrong
>Everyone is an addict and the argument in question is about their addiction ergo a conflict of interest
>Ha! Saved face there!

Nobody cares, get out, go swimming, live your happy alcohol free life, just do it somewhere else please

>>616553
They're not addicts, they're just casual gamers.

>>616553

Except you can't prove anyone here is an addict. The only reason you keep calling them that is because you've decided having a couple beers every now and then(which is the only information we have on their beer habits) makes them "addicts".

You're a fucking retard.

>>616561
Alcohol is bad for your health. That is a medical fact.

No matter how many beer-drinking people scream that it's not true, it would change nothing. We were not discussing, I was merely making statements, while you were screaming that beer is good for your heart. Let that one sink.

>>616560

If I ran an arcade and saw you acting like how you are in this thread, I'd keep a dude pissing on my cabinets over a guy like you.

You're so fucking annoying

>>616570

You're the one denying medical research. You're the one ignoring citations provided while not providing any of his own.

You're also the only one being a complete faggot.

The best drug for gaming is modafinil. Good stimulation without the twitchyness of amphetamines.

>>616567
>Except you can't prove anyone here is an addict.
If you are not an addict, then health damage is only moderate and there's nothing to talk about. Most people who pay for alcohol are at least mildly addiced to it, though.

>>616571
>Sober people are annoying.
Are you drunk? Like, right fucking now? Are you?

>>616553
>>616570
Dude, I've had bad experiences with alcohol and am a teetotaler as a result, yet even I can support the bar section idea as long as there is a bouncer present.

Even I think you're a faggot.

>>616570
Low dose alcohol reduces risk of cardiovascular disease. This is a common enough cause of death that it outweighs all the negatives.

>>616425
not like there are ways to properly ventilate your business or anything... might want to look into, i dunno, fans and windows or central air? ya know, shit like that.

magnets... how do they work?

>>616573
[citation needed]

Repeating a behavior doesn't mean that you're an addict. I'd hardly call you an exercise addict based off of the information you gave us earlier.

You do realize that there is new research coming out suggesting that exercising every day(specifically, running) is actually bad for your heart? Look it up.

>>616428
i suggest seeking advice on starting a business from a more reputable source than 4chan. c'mon, seriously? 4chan? you new here or something?

>>616575

>Sober people can't possibly be annoying!!!

confirmed for troll

I can't believe that someone would actually be this stupid

>>616574
>You're the one ignoring citations provided while not providing any of his own.
Oh for fuck's sake.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=alcohol+health+risks

>>616575

He didn't say sober people he said self-righteous dimwits

>>616585
Depends on the duration and intensity. If you self-identify as a "runner" you're almost certainly doing too much, same as people who self-identify as "drinkers".

>>616441
then install beer coozies on the side of the cabinet. not too difficult, i've seen it done. hell, that place even had ashtrays built in, though not many were in use.

>>616591
Sorry if your disgusting habit makes you a laughingstock.

He's starting a place of business to make money, not a rehab center. It doesn't matter if it's good or bad for people if they pay money for it.

>>616583
There is no such thing as a perfect ventilation system that keeps cigarette smoke as a complete non-issue, short of having the floor be a narrow metal grill that is pumping in air and a monster fan in the ceiling that's sucking in a mild hurricane.

Much easier to just have them go outside to do it, anyway.

>>616590

Oh hey, lmgtfy!! You're so clever!

Here's the deal, faggot. I know full well the health risks of alcohol, but its the ABUSE of alcohol that is detrimental.

Ever hear of Reservatrol?

>>616597
>Oh hey, lmgtfy!! You're so clever!
Click the links, imbecile.

>>616594

The irony here is that if you went into a public place and voiced everything you said here, not only would you never get laid within that county area, but you would probably be laughed at.

You sir, would be the laughingstock.

>>616594

Are you sure you don't drink? Because you sound more delusional than any drunk person I've ever met

>>616592

>self-identify as "drinkers"

No one in this thread identifies as that.

>>616602

Shove them up your ass, virgin.

>>616597
>implying red wine contains enough reservatrol to cause a clinically significant increase in blood levels
>implying concentrated extracts that actually do increase blood levels aren't completely useless too
>implying people in this thread even drink red wine

>>616605
True. If I go to a bar and say that alcohol is bad, of course that'd be funny.

Among my medical colleagues, people would laugh because what else is new, grass green, sky blue.

>>616607
However,
>>616602
self identifies as a giant faggot.

OP may be asleep, but he's going to have fun reading this

>>616607
Nobody in the world identifies as that. That's one of the worse aspects of addiction.

>>616613
He said he would ban alcohol and tobacco in his arcade, you know.

>>616491
how do they smell like shit? are you equating every "beer drinker" with the alcoholic hobos that are drunk every waking moment? cause, i got news for ya buddy...

those are hobos. you damn potato.

>>616616

And if he does, his arcade will fail. What's your point?

>>616613
I'm with you. Christ this makes load times almost bearable.

Nicotine is a decent drug for gaming, but only idiots smoke now that convenient vaporizers (e-cigarettes) are available. I'd ban smoking in my arcade but I'd sell e-cigarettes.

>>616614

>Nobody in the world identifies as that

You really are delusional. There are people that compete and have drinking contests. They call themselves drinkers.

You think you know so much about this subject, but you really don't. Every time you post, you're being more and more of a shithead.

I don't even drink(personal choice) but I think you're probably the biggest faggot to post in the history of /vr/

>>616618
No, not hobos. Just take a sip of beer, and your breath smells like piss.

>>616507
>Gameworks

mah nigga!

>>616624
>drinking contests. They call themselves drinkers.
Try changing the topic however hard you might, your pathetic alcohol addiction is still there.

>>616626
My point is exactly the same. I've said numeroud times: drinkers are pathetic, but banning smoking or alcohol would ruin any chaces he could have had with his arcade.

>>616632

How am I changing the subject? You said no one in the world called themselves drinkers, and I pointed out that you were wrong.

do you have narcissistic personality disorder? You seem to think that you're beyond being incorrect and can twist and mold this discussion to suit your benefit.

>>616512
for fuck's sake, will you people learn how to defend yourselves and quit bein scared shitless every time some asshole looks at you crosswise? especially if he's "hurr cocksmashington" his reflexes will be shit and you can easily step back and watch him flail about and hit the floor. it's usually that easy, i've done it myself. several times.

>>616636

>drinkers are pathetic

Well, they're a lot nicer than you are. Have more fun too. OH, and they get laid.

>>616639
>How am I changing the subject?
We're talking about addictions. You're talking about competitions. What next? People with surname "Drinker"?

>>616642
I never said they weren't nice people. Many drinkers are nicer than me. This has nothing to do with alcohol.

>>616534
i don't... think you are aware of how the liver functions. study harder, kiddo. sage

>>616640
It is much more intelligent to not get into fights than to win every fight.

>>616643

The fact remains that you said no one called themselves a drinker, faggot. You were wrong. Deal with it.

>>616647

No, but you said they were "pathetic".

Face it, you're just a douche. I know I sure as fuck wouldn't want to be around you.

>>616640
>Rather than trying to fix the problem, you should just always be looking over your shoulder and be prepared to defend yourself in public establishments!
No.

>>616653
Literal-mindedness is a sign of low intelligence.

>>616649

He's repeatedly demonstrated his lack of knowledge on the subject, though to his credit he has finally posted a single citation.

>>616602
Not that guy, and not much of a consumer of alcohol myself, but I notice that among the first five links given, only one thing is mentioned as a health risk that doesn't also involve alcohol abuse (such as heavy drinking and binge drinking): the potential for high blood pressure, but in its context it seems to be geared toward those already having trouble naturally keeping blood pressure within a healthy range. Worth noting that salt consumption can do the same if one isn't careful, and yet salt is an essential component in cooking for various uses, including but not limited to seasoning something for flavor.

Would you then suggest that swear off salt, because of the negligible risks of having any, perhaps as a result of all the negative press having a lot has received?

>>616660

>literal

You're using that word wrong.

>>616662
that one*

>>616661
>He's repeatedly demonstrated his lack of knowledge on the subject, though to his credit he has finally posted a single citation.
I haven't. What citation?

I'm not going to cite anything on alcohol health risks. Do your research yourself, addicts.

Serisouly what citation?

>>616662

You should have mentioned that Beer, and most alcohol, is pretty salty.

>>616625
stop drinking piss. simple.

>>616663
What?

>>616669
That's what I've been saying throughout the thread. Stop drinking piss. Also: piss-drinking people are pathetic.

>>616665

You already forgot linking a google search? As far as 4chan is concerned, that's a citation.

Wouldn't use it to cite a paper, but we're not writing a paper here. Or are you literal-minded and couldn't see my mental gymnastics? Don't change the subject.

>>616652
did you miss the part where i advised to "step back" until he "hit the floor"? i've never had to strike out in anger my whole adult life.

>>616672

Ignorant people are pathetic

>>616675
That's not a citation, it's an insult.

Oh come the fuck on, dear beer-drinker. Look, I'm not here to argue the indisputable. Yes, I'm holier than thou. Intoxication is disgusting, and alcohol is bad for your health. I'm only posting to insult the people with mild addictions.

>>616657
then stay away from the crazy and don't make eye contact. not starting shit is the best...

you know what. fuck it. hide in you little corner of sunshine and rainbows. live long and prosper, i'll do the same. just, while lightly intoxicated. cheers.

>>616681

>I'm only posting to insult the people with mild addictions

Well at least you can admit that you're only here to shit up a thread.

Do you want to know what a pussy feels like?

>>616687
>just, while lightly intoxicated.
Sick at 50, dead by 60, good job surviving, your grade is a C-.

Can we all just please agree to stop responding to the one whiny little health nut and just keep talking about OP's arcade?

Pay to enter (or free to enter and buy tokens as that one guy suggested).
Serve "happy drunk" alcohol (Beer, not Whiskey etc) off to one side after a certain time with a good bouncer stationed nearby - alternately fail as a business.
No smoking.

What else?

>>616672
this confirms the 15 yr old mormon/islamic parrotfag. goodnight all.

>>616689
>Well at least you can admit that you're only here to shit up a thread.
No, I was here to give OP advice. The advice being: do sell alcohol and do allow smoking.

Addicts jumped on my remark-in-passing that I loathe beer-drinkers jsut as much as OP - which was only there because OP expressed the sentiment first, and I wanted to point out that I'm of the same mindset as him.

>>616690
quality over quantity, asshole.

>>616512
>no need to be worried that cocksmashington is going to challenge me to single combat for whatever reason he chooses

Drunks can be loud and aggressive but they can't fight for shit.

>>616697

Maybe because your posts were foaming at the mouth ignorant and retarded.

I don't drink. I fail to see how having some beers is "pathetic". You're a judgemental fuck, and you'll remain alone for the rest of your life.

>>616693
Huh? I never said drinking alcohol was amoral. I said it was stupid and pathetic, unsightly etc.. I'm not a moralfag. I don't consider beer-drinkers worse people, just pitiful.

>>616707
>Maybe because your posts were foaming at the mouth ignorant and retarded.
Says an addict defending harmful addictions.

>>616704
You've not met the same drunks I have.

>>616708

>amoral
>not immoral

>>616697

You JUST said that you were were only posting to insult people. Stop contradicting yourself.

For a guy that thinks so highly of himself, he sure can't back it up.

>>616667
Fair enough; perhaps that is why it contributes to high blood pressure the way it does. That still leaves us at the part where heavy drinking is the problem, as opposed to moderate or light drinking.

On the note of violent behavior, I do have stance on that: If one would be apt to actually try to be violent with you while inebriated, it is likely that one would actually be violent with you without it given motivation, and would be a more legitimate threat to your person sober. If living peaceably is one's desire, modesty and the art of when to be silent are generally key. That said, I think in an ideal world people should be able to say what they want without being threatened, but in terms of reality I say whatwhenwherewhyhow I say with it in mind that it may provoke any number of stupid fiascos, ready to handle it as it comes.

If you are not prepared for the potential responses to your actions, modesty may yet be the course of less resistance.

>>616715
I was posting off-topic to insult people.

I was also posting on-topic to give OP some advice on building a gaming arcade.

>>616712

Except I don't drink. Try again.

You're delusional if you think that just because someone calls you out on your faggotry that they must drink.

>>616704
So you're saying your a drunk?

>>616717
Yeah, sorry, that's how you say immoral in my language. Cool nitpicking, though. How's your alcohol addiction, by the way? Still debilitating?

>>616714

Were you also drunk at the time?

Addled coordination and reflexes really isn't something you can properly compensate for.

>>616719

>I was posting off-topic to insult people

Which is not only against global 4chan rules, but was my entire point when I and others said that you were shitting up the thread.

If I was a mod going through this thread, you'd be the one banned.

>>616721
If you think drinking is cool, why don't you drink? It does stimulate pleasure centers.

If alcohol is harmless, why don't you drink? Are you some sort of masochist?

>>616691
Good point. OP you want to make money off an arcade? Move to WA or CO and learn to weed. By the time you've got your business plan worked out those states will have their laws figured out and you can just have a pot friendly gaming establishment. Set up a well ventilated separate area for the weed (or use vaporizers exclusively), outdoor cig smoking, and microbrews and wine only. Have a small kitchen with easy to cook, cheap and quick munchies. Also, ticket machines for bullshit stoner prizes. They love that shit. Capitalize on a new market instead of investing in a dying one. Go, and prosper my friend!

>>616729

>what is the drunken-fist style of martial arts

>>616662
Any alcohol use increases cancer risk.

Salt sensitivity has very strong genetic component, some people can eat a shitload of salt with no negative effects.

Beer is not salty. I brew beer. There is no added salt (other than calcium salts in some styles, which isn't what we're talking about), and none of the ingredients are salty.

>>616735
Those people aren't actually drunk, you know.

>>616735

Not actually drunk.

Also hilariously ineffective against other martial forms.

>>616725

Oh its going good. I can't stop myself from drinking I'm pretty sure my blood is turning into beer.

I still have the vagina information offer available for you!

>>616743
I occasionally take pleasure in vaginas, yes. Vaginas can be entertaining.

>>616681
Well, alcohol abuse is bad for your health, yes. And it is generally difficult to be in a substantial state of intoxication without abusive consumption, true. That said, not everyone who consumes alcohol does so to such a degree or outcome, and there is still a lacking in proof that such moderated consumption is unhealthy.

If I may, what about intoxication is disgusting? I myself happen to find people pretty humorous when they allow their inhibitions to be shed; ideally people could just do this without drugs or booze (which is a drug when you think about it), but as with many ideals this is not always the case.

this thread is derailed and going nowhere. sucks to be op. sorry bro. call it a night, guys.

>>616747
>If I may, what about intoxication is disgusting?
Decreased intelligence and reflexes.

>>616735
>implying Eastern martial arts aren't proven complete shit when combat tested

>>616731

>Using incredibly idiotic logic, the STRAWMAN
>Thinks he's immensely intelligent

You're a fucking moron. You've been using strawman arguments through this entire thread.

Do not misrepresent my stance. I never once said I thought drinking was cool and just because I call you out on your faggotry, that does not mean I think drinking is cool. This is not as black and white as you make it out to be with that primitive frontal lobe of yours.

I also never said alcohol was harmless.

To be quite frank, you're probably the stupidest person in the thread.

>>616757
I get better at sports games if I'm half-wasted. I certainly wouldn't drive, but a few vodkas makes me a pro at baseball games and shit.

On the other hand, I'm playing RBI games and shit. So your intelligence argument holds water.

>>616754
Go give your liver a bottle or two, it decreases the chances of heart attack.

>>616757
Most of the customers are credit-feeding casuals so what does it matter?

>>616746

>I get all the pussy!

>>616729
No, I personally don't drink.

I have a friend however who received a lifetime ban from a pub locally to me back around 10 years ago now, because he declared while drunk that if X happened one more time (I forget what now, it was something really minor) then he'd beat the shit out of the next guy who entered.

It did and he made good on his promise, walked up to the guy who'd just come in, said "Look mate I'm sorry about this..." then broke 3 of the guy's ribs with a right hook and injured several others before the bouncer could pry him off and threw him out.

After that he's never touched another drop of alcohol and soon became a Christian.

>>616763
>You've been using strawman arguments through this entire thread.
I have NOT been using argumentation in this thread. I do not find it necessary to support my stance that alcohol is bad for health, or that intoxication is unpleasant.

All I've been saying over and over again is that people who drink as pathetic AND are ruining their health. No argumentation on my side whatsoever.

>>616769
It doesn't. I said a million times that OP shouls sell alcohol. People who drink are going to sustain his business, however sickly and pathetic they get through their shitty habits.

>>616776
>intoxication is unpleasant
never been pleasantly drunk, eh?

>>616781
No, but that's not what I meant. Intoxicated people are unpleasant is what I wanted to say.

But yeah, I've never been pelasantly drunk. I despise intoxication.

>>616691
Tokens are only going to get you anywhere if you have an influx of dedicated players; you'd stand to make more money more consistently if you go on pay to enter or prepaid card system.

As for alcohol, serve fancy drinks; a little mixing knowledge (or having a bartender) will go a long way as you can markup like crazy. Beers are fine too. A bouncer is practically mandatory anywhere you have any sort of drug use. As far as smoking goes, I agree; you're likely to alienate more people if you allow it than if you don't.

Try and have some gimmick machines, like those ones where you hold onto a thing that covers your head as you move about and act as a turret, light gun games, etc

>>616334
you'd be able to limit the amount of drinks you serve them if you're taking with player cards. track money spent like the guy said earlier about having xp levels. you can go the discount and such. but they would need to restart. because one could eventually reach 100%. maybe have it be a freen entry reedemable once then restart them at 10% and so on. maybe even put a breathalyzer on the wall by the exit. saw one at a bar recently

>>616708
>I don't consider them worse people
>just pitiful

Why would you pity something that isn't beneath you?

OP, have you ever run a business before? What business experience do you have? What other resources do you have to keep your arcade afloat? Have you been saving money for this dream and, if so, for how long, and how much do you have saved up right now? Are you prepared to lose money your first few years of operating, as is the case with most business ventures? Where will you live and sleep while losing money? What will you eat? Do you have any experience repairing arcade machines or will you have to hire an outside source to do that? If so, how will you pay that other person when you're losing money?

>Oh hey this thread sounds interest...

For fucks sake /vr/ are you this easy to derail? And you guys complain about /v/?

>>616776

>I have NOT been using argumentation in this thread

Actually you have. You've repeatedly done so. You just did in your last reply to me. Do I really have to do this just to prove a point? I'll use the most recent one, and then go back through the thread if I have to.

Here >>616721 I plainly said that I didn't drink when you assumed I drank JUST because I called you out on your faggotry.

Then here >>616731
, you went on to say that I thought drinking was cool and said "if alcohol is harmless, why don't you drink?" which implies that I feel alcohol is harmless when I never said anything of the sort and I don't think anyone here has outright claimed that alcohol is harmless. If no implication was intended, that doesn't matter, you still made the argument with or without others.

When you attempt to represent someone's stance on a subject and its flatout INCORRECT, like when you asked "If you think drinking is cool, why don't you drink?", then yes, you were being argumentative and that argument in particular was what is known as a STRAWMAN argument, where you misrepresent another's stance on a subject.

Good going, faggot

>>616803
it's getting late, and /vr/ ain't what it used to be...

>>616807

its the healthfags fault

>>616813
So stop paying him any heed.

>>616813
No it's the people replying to him at fault here

>>616825

faggotry of this magnitude is difficult to ignore

>>616796
>Why would you pity something that isn't beneath you?
People who drink aren't necessarily beneath me. They can be intelligent and even successful. Addiction, even mild addiction, is a complex thing to deal with even for the otherwise clever.

I'm only comparing some people's drinking with mine non-drinking. In that regard, I'm infinitely better. Otherwsie, most drinkers are pretty pathetic, but not due to drinking - vice versa, they're sad shits, so they drink.

>>616805
>Actually you have. You've repeatedly done so.
Quit it.

>>616761
>Eastern martial arts
>the foundation of all modern combat techniques
>shit when combat tested

I don't know where you got that impression, but it's worth noting that Western Boxing and some elements of Greco-Roman Wrestling are all that isn't Eastern in origin in today's CQC throughout most of the planet. Also, if by 'combat tested' you mean 'tested in a warring battlefield', what is effective in an armed conflict is generally not the same as what is effective in an unarmed conflict.

Drunken Fist is still shit though.

>>616830
Of course it is. Alcoholics always get touchy when people talk about addictions and related social and health problems.

I remember, when I was a kid, I saw a "for rent" sign on a building, and my friend and I totally talked about how we were going to buy it (using $15) and start our own Ghostbuster business. We went on and on about all the cool things we were going to have in our totally rocking Ghostbuster headquarters.

This whole thread reminds me of that, minus all the "alcohol is evil/no beer is totally cool" assgrabbery, because we weren't total idiots as kids.

>>616830
That's the same reason /v/ is currently more like /b/

>>616845
There is no argument. I am insulting alcoholics, and they get irate, is all.

>>616831

>Quit it

Ignorant AND arrogant. You aren't in control of this argument anymore, faggot.

>>616836

>Of course it is
>Basically admits be being a giant faggot spreading faggotry around this thread

>>616839
If it was the 2010s, you would've started a Kickstarter and gotten funded.

>>616849

>There is no argument
>but I used arguments!

>>616849

just wow.

You're a eurofag, aren't you?

>>616789
>Intoxicated people are unpleasant
It sounds like you've been around the wrong intoxicated people; being sober at an event where people are [smoking weed, using some other depressant/psychedelic or drinking (one of these, as combinations usually lead to people just being passed out in my experience)] for me has been a riot.
>despise
Why?

>>616858
Even I admit that my "arguments" are just veiled insults, and you still--ah fuck it. Stage 1: Denial.

>>616849

Stop replying to him you fucking morons

>>616864

>Stage 1: Denial

You were calling people that didn't drink addicts, you complete fucking retard

>>616862
Yes.

>>616868

Make it stop. Okay. We get it. Even I think he's an idiot.

Just stop.

>>616868
They are addicts, they can't stop themselves.

>>616869
The board is anonymous. Posters are not imemdiately discernible. Most people arguing for alcohol admitted to drinking regularly.

>>616874

>"regularly"
>suddenly means "every so often"

jesus christ

>>616874

You're addicted to being an idiot

anyway OP. games you could get for the arcade.
TMNT & turtles in time
Xmen - 6 player version.
marvel vs capcom
time crisis
Cadillacs and dinosaurs
194X
metal slug
golden axe
king of fighters
street fighter alpha
street fighter 2

i remember the arcade our mall had would have larger screens for super street fighter 2 and the like. you could have tournaments on all your games. pvp, time trials, high scores etc

>>616737
Any of any number of things increases cancer risk. Stress increases cancer risk, even what some would call eustress. Unless you're suggesting it does so strongly, which would call for citation as the google fiasco previously put out only calls for heavy drinking and the damaging of the body as the contributing factor, what point are you trying to make?

>>616878
Every so often means regularly when applied to alcohol consumption.

>>616889

No, it doesn't. You can't change the meanings of shit to better suit how you feel about a subject. That isn't how shit works.

Maybe in your shitpile of a country, but not to the rest of the world.

>>616886

>what point are you trying to make?

how many times do i have to say it? drinkers are pathetic

>>616890
If you don't drink regularly, then you're only mildly idiotic for consuming intoxicants. Barely any health risk in there, apart from some that comes from decreased intelligence and dull reflexes.

>>616884
How about some racing game booths? Need for speed Underground, for example.

>>616896

F-Zero AX and Mario Kart GP would be real hits

classics like bubble Bobble, tumble pop, snow bros. original Mario bros.
donkey Kong. galaga,

>>616894
Oh boy, I have a copycat. What's the point, though? It's not how satire works.

>>616901

it was only a matter of time before one of you drinkers would try to copy me. great. at least what i said was indisputable, so if i'm copied, it doesn't really do much for you doppelgangers

>>616757
>intelligence
Are you suggesting that the people were of an intellectual capacity that pleased you prior to the beer/wine/whatever that went down their throat? And that this consumption caused that much of a dive?

>reflexes
What? Are you fighting these people and being dissatisfied with their abilities or something? Why would shitty reflexes be disgusting to you (note: People generally have shitty reflexes unless they hone them, with or without inebriation)?

>>616898
Sounds good to me.

>>616902
Sounds not so good to me, unless you've got a real big place and it's a small minority of the machines there.

>>616901

>Sees satire
>"It's not how satire works!!!"

>>616905
I still don't get it, what's the point? At least I'm pretty certain I'm right. Why would you do this to yourself?

>>616909

>implying the one you quoted wasn't the fake

Here's a summary of this thread:

>hey guys, i have this unrealistic goal that i really haven't researched that well, but kickstarter will surely throw money at it and that will make it happen
>BEER IS FOR KOOL KIDS
>NO BEER IS FOR LOSERS LIKE THAT ONE EPISODE OF TINY TOONS SAYS

>>616906
>What? Are you fighting these people and being dissatisfied with their abilities or something?
I bike a lot. Even mildly drunk pedestrians are a fucking hazard to maneuver around.

As an example.

>>616913

As I said, what have said is indisputable. If you don't get it, then perhaps its because you've been drinking.

>>616916
Yep.

Except I learnt about risks of alcohol consumption in medical school, not from a murkan cartoon.

>>616896
Oh man, and it'd be totally cool if, to get into the room, you have to slide down one of those really long twisty slides, and there's women with big boobies in the room, and they shake their boobies at you when you enter. Also there's a room made out of ice cream and you can eat it all.

>>616906

As I said earlier in the thread, I swim and bike. It isnt much fun to encounter drunk skinny dipping drinkers that smell like piss while I'm out for my morning swim, and this happens all the time.

>>616920
That sounds remarkably like me, I have to admit.

>>616898
this. Mario cart would work. most racing arcades are neglected and take up too much space. do research and find a Very popular/successful racer to invest in

>>616916

I think you could have done better at summarizing the thread had you mentioned how indisputable it is that drinkers are pathetic.

>>616831
But that still sounds like you consider them to be worse than you; I never said anything about the world's view, because that shit is dumb and the world doesn't give a single fuck about anyone because it is not capable of thought. Or, at the very least, if it IS capable of thought, it isn't on any currently perceivable human capacity of understanding, rendering it irrelevant to us. God's view is equally irrelevant because that would be assuming some kind of religious view on either of us (not to say that one or both of us are or are not religious, but I digress).

I only ever meant that people do not generally pity others except when they consider themselves superior in some fashion or circumstance. In this case, people do something you feel is disgusting, and that a superior person would not do such a thing. That an ideal person wouldn't do such a thing.

It's fine if you wish to veil your attitude here, but it doesn't stop it from being what it is.

>>616908
well yes of course they'd be. maybe consider one or two cabinets with all the classics built in to save space

>>616940

I am not veiling my attitude. I have flat out stated that drinkers are pathetic. What else is there to get? Don't change the subject.

Suddenly the current state of /v/ makes sense.

Stop. Replying.

The word 'indisputable' keeps coming up, especially about things that are not entirely proven to be true, and thus could be disputed in their varying levels of truth.

>>616940
>But that still sounds like you consider them to be worse than you
On the isolated subject of intoxicant use, yes.

People can be selectively stupid, you know. Moreso, intelligent people easier become addicted and can make up cleverer justification for their habit. This, too, is a medical fact.

>>616927
>>616917
You don't bike on the sidewalk, do you? Or is America the odd country out for barring that kind of thing?

How are you regularly getting people in your pool during a morning swim? Who the fuck is drinking that early in the day, or is your idea of a 'morning swim' at like 2AM (or is closing time different in Europe?)

This is sounding more and more like you having shitty experiences with people in some kind of shithole neck of the woods where everyone is getting smashed beyond recognition. I live in a shithole in California and I'd have to go out of my way to find someone drunken in public physically outside of a bar.

My condolences that you live in such a screwy place, but it's no excuse to be such an ass about things.

>>616947
>I don't consider them worse people
>just pitiful

I didn't change the subject though.

>>616975
I bike at around 21:00.

Holy shit.

Janitor please clean up this thread.

>>617015
And? That's not what I asked.

>>617039
I didn't bother reading your whole post, to be honest.

>>617046
fag

>>616947
Okay, since this topic derailed HORRIBLY, I'll start out by addressing the OP. I used to run a couple of arcades for Namco. These were your standard mall ensconced glorified babysitters. Tokens is the way to go. But, before you do ANYTHING else, LEARN HOW TO FIX YOUR OWN MACHINES. A jammed coin slot is gonna cost you business. A dead joystick is going to cost you business. And, I'm sad to say, arcades are almost dead anyway. Both of my shops closed down in '01 . The Barcade movement is growing, so that's good...but remember you're only going to be getting actual business for around 5 hours a day. I'm guessing your state's blue laws prohibit selling alcohol after 2 am...and most people don't want to go to a bar until at least 8 or 9. So you'll have 5-6 hours of business, and 18-19 of "why am I even open". shit sucks mang, but it's the truth. Now then, to Lord Shitstain mcStraightedge pants, Fuck you. FUck you and fuck you well. I drink a case of beer a night. A CASE. 24 beers. Why? Because I enjoy it. I'm free, white, and 21. You bitch about swerving around drunken peds on your bike, well, I fucking HATE little namby pamby bitches like you on my ROAD when I'm driving my CAR. Keep your fucking toys in the yard, Fauntleroy, and I won't have to run you down.

>>615698
This.
I'd like to think that the young'uns will line up to fight eachother in Virtua Fighter, but the biggest market for retro games will be adults. I would try to make it kind of a Applebee's type atmosphere, where you have a bar but soccer moms and their kids still feel comfortable. The markup on alcohol is huge, so this will not only be a draw but a good way to help cover costs.

As for an admission-style instead of pay-per-play arcade I'd be concerned about people hogging a machine all day even though they keep dying. Maybe a house rule like "if you get a 'GAME OVER while someone is waiting to take a turn, please give up your machine."

>>617080
Okay, good. got that out of my system. The problem with expecting the underage crowd to actually go somewhere to play games, when their home consoles can play anything extant...is that they're not going to go. You've got your Chuck E. Cheese's and yoru CICI's pizzas to please that crowd. Especially since OP says he wants to open near in a college town, he's going to have mainly 20somethings coming in. Beer is mandatory. I'd try to steer away from a full ABC license though, those are more costly then they're worth. And snacks are also a must, hell, if all you can get are nachos and canned cheese with pickled jalapenos, that's usually good enough. PUT DRINK HOLDERS ON EACH SIDE OF YOUR MACHINE. So many times I've had to replace jammed button switches because some snotnose sat his drink on the tilted surface of a cabinet face and it spilled. Once I installed drink holders, that entire phenomenon disappeared. More ideas when I can think of them.

>>617078
>Both of my shops closed down in '01
>I'm 21
Uh?

>>616445
You'll also frustrate customers because arcade games are already plenty difficult on the normal setting.

>>617095
it's an expression. free white and 21. Doesn't necessarily denote age, only that I'm over the age of consumption. I'm actually 33. 11/29/79 yo. Just offering advice.

>>617105
Oh okay fair enough, I'm 27 myself I've just never heard of somebody saying they're 21 when they're really 33.

If I didn't ask what you were doing running an arcade when you were 9, somebody else would probably have done so.

>>617109
Damn, I think my southern just showed through. It's a pretty common expression where I'm from. Which is the great state of north carolina, fallow be thy grain.

>>616540
This is a great idea. You don't get the same problems as with free to play but everything is still cheaper.

>>617117
we used to use 4 for a dollar, 24 for five dollars, 50 for ten, and 90 for 20. Very rarely pulled 20 bills out of the change machine.

>>617117
but the problem is, if you don't use all your tokens, there's no way to cash out, as it were.

>>617117
When I was a kid I thought arcade tokens were the neatest things. Like foreign money.

>>617105
>I'm actually 33. 11/29/79

>implying not November 29, 1999
>implying you're not from /v/

Think of 4chan as a bar. You have to be 18 to get in, but sometimes children like this use fake IDs.

Whatever you do, OP, make sure you post a small history near each game. Turn the whole place into a sort-of museum.

>>617136
>>617136
I....um....wat? who in the batshit hell would claim to be THIRTY FUCKING THREE on the chons? Jesus christ, I ran an arcade in '01! I'd have been two!

>>617160
You could even use a part of the marquee to tell a bit about the game, how it was made, etc. There's a lot of unused space on cabinets.

>>617194
classic artwork is usually best, but maybe if it's damaged on some machines OP could have local artists paint new, original stuff on the sides of the machines, artwork for the game of course.

>>617230
I was thinking the marquee, the part above the screen that projects past the screen with a backlit decal. Just print out some shit about the game, tuck it in the corner, put the marquee back in, and boom. Of course the original cabinet artwork is going to be wanted.

>>617249
A brass plaque, like you see on historical buildings, would be classier.

>>617251
classy, yes. cost effective? Not so much.

>>617260
>implying OP should not have the expensive gastropub of arcades
>Implying he will not keep in constant circulation carefully polshed pre-1990 quarters to preserve the historical authenticity of his arcades
>implying wealthy retrogamers will not stay at a $400/night Zelda-themed bed & breakfast nearby during their "vintage gaming appreciation retreat"
>implying he will not get his arcade recognized by Unesco as a cultural heritage site
Dream big, nigga.

Stuff i think OP needs to incorporate

>pay to enter, free to play
>high score board with all of the games updated nightly
>need good games, if you make threads out of this, this can be discussed
>need food and beer. It's important. >Don't allow food or drink in the arcade area.
>need security and arcade machine mechanics.
>family time during certain time of day
>machines need to be cleaned daily
>tournaments

And keep us updated!

>>617284
dream big? sure. but don't let your dreams fuck your bottom line.

>>617307
>>pay to enter, free to play
Either this or tokens, yeah I agree
>>high score board with all of the games updated nightly
Definitely
>>need good games, if you make threads out of this, this can be discussed
Definitely
>>need food and beer. It's important. >Don't allow food or drink in the arcade area.
Definitely
>>need security
Definitely
>>and arcade machine mechanics.
I'd say he needs to learn how to fix his own cabinets and fix them well, at least for minor problems like stuck coins. If there's a big problem then call one in.
>>family time during certain time of day
Definitely
>>machines need to be cleaned daily
Definitely
>>tournaments
Definitely


Yeah, pretty much all solid, legit adive.

>>617284
OP can't dream big, because he has no capital at all. Like, zero.

And he's thinking of creating a very pricey establishment that is barely going to earn anything. He's not in a position to dream big.

>>617307
>pay to enter, free to play
OP should also offer membership cards, like health clubs do. One week to a year long access for a fixed sum.

>>617349
Or "executive memberships" like Costco, where you pay an extra subscription fee to be able to come in an hour or two early. And maybe get a discount on bar snacks.

>>617346
Why the fuck is he even thinking of trying to do something this big without at least substantial capital or a very solid plan?

I mean hell, opening an arcade is a dream of mine but it's something I wouldn't even attempt unless I was a millionaire.

>>617349
hell yeah. a year pass that is cheaper then paying everyday summed up. I would totaly do that. maybe even have a the year pass get you a 10% off drinks and food too.

>>617368
And that's why you'll never live that dream

>>617390
I am cursed with a sense of responsibility.

>>617398
hey, me too. But from what I've seen opening your own business always means 80 hour weeks and loads of debt for any chance of success. That's just life.

Arcades died for a reason.

>>617402
Which Is why I'd wanna be a millionaire.

That way, I could effectively not give a fuck if it was profitable or not and just hire others to work in my place, while keeping my identity as the owner a secret and getting to enjoy the place as just one of the regulars.

>>617320
Speaking of tournaments and whatnot, you should see if you've got a Street Fighter (or any other semi-popular fightan) scene. Find some way for your customers to play SF4, MVC3 or Tekken and talk to them a bit. Maybe you'll find a group of people who play or would want to have weeklies at your place. I'm hopefully wrong, but it seems like those are the only kinds of people who would frequent a local arcade constantly.

>>617403
Because they were awesome and the world is turning to shit?

>>617413
Reminds me of that theatre that Tarantino owns. He said something to the effect of "as long a i'm rich, this theater will be playing movies on film"

>>616051
Or purchasing it out of pocket in your name and leasing it to your company's name. My Dad did that with his resturant. Something about taxes. But this could be a way to get around that.

I can't be fucked to go through 300+ posts so here's my 2 cents.

1: Location is absolutely ESSENTIAL. This is the most important thing you have to worry about. You can have all of the best arcade cabinets with free prices, but a poor location would make you fail.

2: More on location. It's more about the area than the exact address. Find an area with a lot of the younger crowd. College, late high school age. They would be the most likely to go to it.

3: Events. Have events out the ass. Say, every day, different genres are half off, or something of the like. Fight Club Monday, where all the fighting games are half off. Pinball Tuesday, where all the pinball machines are half off. Shit like that. Also, tournaments would be a selling idea.

4: Get involved in the community. Don't just be a random shop there. Get in contact with the local city hall, post up events there, in the newspapers, host fundraisers and the like. Be active as shit with the community.

5: Find a place where the power company offers one flat rate. I'm not sure if this is possible in your area, but if it is, do it. My friend used to own a game store, and he only paid a flat rate of 50 bucks a month, while easily using 200+ a month.

Always willing to help out a fellow entrepreneur.

>>615716
There's an arcade about an house away from here that just charges admission and has all the games on free play. They also sell used games and have TVA and consoles set up for you to play any of the games on.

>>615756
I was banned for 3 days just for replying to that MAME thread with a quasi-positive view about possibilities offered by "barcades". DO NOT say anything about bars / video games on this board, you WILL be banned.

Full the whole thing with MAME cabinets with big cheap LCD screens. MagVision CRT monitors are everywhere in Candy Cabs now, they're shit. Just saw Chief Arino play a copy of Cobra Command and he couldn't read anything in the lower left corner..."old game" he said. Nope, new monitor. Only CRT monitors left are terrible.

Build your own, disregard standards. Give them all a marquee up top, a little widescreen that displays whatever game it's set to. Set attract mode to change games every X time period. Buttons used are rigged with LEDs that light them up to show use per game.

Just recommend getting some fighting games, hopefully something recent, so you can get consistent consumers to keep coming back to play. Maybe running a few tournaments would help as well.

>>617864
>I was banned for 3 days just for replying to that MAME thread with a quasi-positive view about possibilities offered by "barcades". DO NOT say anything about bars / video games on this board, you WILL be banned.
I don't believe this. You must have been banned for something else.

Gaming arcades can not not contain bars. I wish it was different, but most people playing there will want to buy beers and smoke. See any Japanese retro arcade, for example. Gaming centers are for all ages, but the more hardcore shmupping and fighting places reek of beer and cigarettes. Sad, but true.

>>617947
Banned because the guy referred to above who was "flipping out" used the Report feature on everyone with whom he disagreed. You are him so you already know this. Report me again.

>>617953
I'm not sure I know what you're talking about.

I happen to be the guy saying that people who drink beer are worthless ITT earlier today. Are you referring to that? I did not report anyone, and I do not remember anyone ITT breaking the rules.

Were posts ITT removed after we stopped bickering? I'm too lazy to go through the mammoth thread to look myself.

As someone who worked at an arcade (one of the Tilt chain of arcades) my best advice is to not open an arcade.

The last bastion of arcades, Rhythm games like DDR, died out around the turn of the decade. As much as I pine for the return of arcades and the social scene they had I know it won't happen. Everyone is content to stay home and play online.

I don't necessarily agree with the idea of entry fee because people will want to check it out before they go all in. Maybe a mix of both. Regardless no game should cost more than the equivilant of 50 cents.

Finally, if you somehow do make this happen keep in mind that the ticket/prize games are your major money makers, not the actual fun games.

Also every game like stacker, lighthouse, etc is rigged to pay out on a certain schedule.

>>617989
>I don't necessarily agree with the idea of entry fee because people will want to check it out before they go all in.
This.

For a regular, entry fee is a great idea, but first you need regulars.

>>617989
>I don't necessarily agree with the idea of entry fee because people will want to check it out before they go all in.
This is one of the reasons why I suggested a token based system.

>>615982
Mortal Kombat
Street Fighter II
random pinball machines
X-Men
Simpons

I actually plan on running an arcade within the next five or so years, this thread (besides the whole beer argument) has helped somewhat.

How large can you make an arcade and still be profitable in america?

>>618089
Just thought of some more:
NFL Blitz
those old 50-in-1 machines that have Donkey Kong 1-3, Pac-Man, etc.
Claws
Daytona USA
Rush
Cruisin' USA

>>615982
Killer Instinct
A PC that plays Hotline Miami

>>618115
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>>617989

If OP is still considering the pay-to-enter, free-play model for his arcade, why not adopt the limited-continue option that console ports of arcade games implicated? It intensities others with the challenge, and will reward the player the better he gets. You can even go the extra distance by having rewards for people that can win the game within the limited continues (i.e. winners who beat the game with all continues, spare continues, no continues, no lives lost). Even players who get really well will draw in crowds like crazy. The strengths-to-weakness ratio will be in your favor.

You should not only get some food, but good food. Good food means FRESH and SIMPLE food. If you want to make sure, also add a crap load of MSG. Try to find some local suppliers that you can make deals with for meat and produce.

Also, if you want to sell beers, get into contact with microbreweries in your area. That'll give you brownie points with the hipster crowd. Some good scotch would be nice too and maybe a smoking area with cigars, hookas and pipes.

You should also reconsider MAME cabinets for some games. Metal Slug games are great but if you can't overclock the CPU it's gonna have a lot of slowdowns.

Get a skee-ball machine. Those are pretty cheap and kids fucking love them.