/vr/ - Retro Games

What the fuck kind of person thinks that's a problem?

>>6147526
Why do you hate that, though? It makes perfect sense. Any good team always shares info; The active party members will obviously tell the inactive ones about the shit they did and the battles they fought while they were gone, and they gain secondhand experience from the knowledge. Not the same amount as if they had fought themselves, but that's why it's almost always partial experience.

If anything, it'd be stupider to not have them gain experience. All good squads train and teach each other.

>>6147526
Ill take that over the alternative

>Party members you don't use get zero XP an the game suddenly expects you to use them at certain points

>>6147664
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>6147661

A masochist.

>>6147664
Jesus I hate that kind of design.
>freedom to play as any character you want
>Find and annoying character with an obscure ability you have to grind to level 30 or some shit to unlock
>it's the only weakness to one specific boss
>Would have to grind to level 60 with your main in order to brute force it
>rest of the game is piss easy after this
>no way to know this without a walkthorugh

Is this a punishment for not calling the Nintendo hot line? Games still do this shit today even though no one makes any money from guides anymore. Why not have this information hidden somewhere in the damn game? I like to play video games, not read 300 page .txt files ABOUT games.

>>6147664
That's why I dropped Front Mission.

>>6147661
They're not fighting, why should those slackers get rewarded?

>>6147526
That's a good thing, you faggot

it's more of a modern RPG thing but i hate forced/canon love interests.

>>6147757
I hate it when the heroine gets with someone who isn't the hero, which makes you, the player, a cuck by proxy.

>>6147772
Bahamut Lagoon...
Glad the faggot died, though

>It's a "party member will leave your party but the game doesn't warn you about it" episode

>>6147796
>they take their equipment with them
>it's right after a really difficult fight that they have to be present for

>>6147663
I've always assumed this ever since I played Grandia, where characters that permanently leave your party left behind scrolls/notebooks/crayon scribbles in your inventory that could be used to transfer a portion of their weapon or magic exp to another party member.

>>6147796
Hate that shit. I just have to bear with it and reload the save, remove the good equipment, then just fight with an ill equipped party member.

I like when they scale somewhat with you but lag behind like ~5 levels or so. It gives the impression that they were basically bringing up the rear and picking off some lesser monsters while you traveled, which seems accurate.

>>6147689
Yeah that's the exact fucking game I meant

>meet party member
>two maps later
>party member dies and takes your equipment

Thanks FF2

>party members in your active party gain experience relative to the actions they took in battle
>party members that didn't kill anything or spam buffs get next to nothing

>>6147869
any examples?

>>6147872
Persona 1.

>>6147757
Frankly Im more sick of this retarded era of dating sim garbage. It just results in all the characters being badly written so the non character MC can have his pick of the litter and every other character is reduced to a cheer squad. And why? So dipshit faggots like
>>6147772
Can feel like special snowflake harem anime heroes because they're OBSESSED with cuckoldry. Why is this a thing all of sudden? At what point did all these millennial bitches turn into such thin skinned twats. Self insert faggots the whole lot of you.

>clerics cant get xp by healing/buffing or can only get xp by healing/buffing

>>6147880
Isn't the whole point of playing JRPGs to self insert yourself into some anime fantasy as the protag?

>>6147887
>Isn't the whole point of playing JRPGs to self insert
No? which is why you rarely get character creators and play as a spiky haired faggot instead

WRPGS are the one where youre meant to play like yourself

>>6147890
Why do so many retro games allow you to name the main character then?

>>6147894
>naming the character is the same as self inserting

are you legit retarded
plus i bet your hairy ass less than half of people actually named the characters as themselves instead of silly/"funny" names or just using default

>>6147896
Sounds like you're just in denial of something completely obvious, Anon.

>>6147904
Sharing a name with a character doesnt make them you, anon. JRPGs all used defined characters with defined backstories/relationships with very little input from the player, which is why they pionereed the "thou must" false choices

>>6147526
>being able to attack characters on your own party
What's the point of letting that in the game? There's literally not a single use case for this

>>6147939
In most games you can cure statuses like confusion by whacking your allies on the head. In FF games there are also weapons that heal the target instead of hurting them.

>>6147939
>There's literally not a single use case for this
Final Fantasy II says hi

also some games have confusion healing if you bonk yourself and weapons that heal instead of damaging

>>6147943
>>6147945
topkek that's funny
is that present on SNES FF games as well? I never heard of this

>>6147939
>>6147974

In FFV for example, the best armor makes you undead so you can't heal by conventional means, so instead you cast the death spell on yourself, or a fire spell while wearing a flame ring/shield.

In many FFV solo challenges, whacking yourself is needed to beat certain bosses... most obvious example would be purely physical jobs against Omniscient (a boss that will reset the battle any time he's hit with a non-magical attack): equip a reflect ring, attack yourself with the mage masher (a weak knife that sometimes cast the spell silence spell) and have silence bounce to the boss.

Similarly, there are several instances in the series where it's useful to hit yourself, be it to cause big damage with the ??? spell, to put Tifa in near-death status so she can use the special properties of the powersoul, desperation attacks in FF6, etc...

Missable items.

>>6147984
>if you open this chest during the beginning of the game you will miss this special item during the end of it

FFIX AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>6147987
I don't remember that in 9. Which item are you referring to?

12 is absolutely guilty of that though, where opening certain chests means missing out on the best weapon licenses - what the actual fuck?

>>6147526
I imagine they're fighting other monsters offscreen.
And when you switch to them mid fight, they rotate between fights.

>turn based combat with no element of positioning
>combat the devolves into simple attack/heal/buff loops
>random encounters
>unskippable cutscenes and lengthy non-gameplay segments
>boss fights being the only challenging fights
>limited party customization or slow skill gain progression
>superbosses that force grind
>random drops

There's more I'm forgetting

>>6147984
I don't mind missable items so long as it's not some arbitrary window that makes no sense. Like if it's just not me being thorough enough whatever but if it's something like, Tales of the Abyss(Not retro I know but good example) locking me out of a side quest because I don't run to the side corner of some village and talk to a random merchant at some random time while the game was making a point to hurry me through the front and back gates? That's Bs

>>6147526
no thought going into elemental magic beyond x is weak against y

>>6147868
Did you just refer to Final Fantasy IV as FF2 on this board? Never show your face here again, Anon.

>>6147987
Man, fuck FFIX
>dude I hope you knew ahead of time that you have to walk instead of run for this chest or you'll never get it lmao

>>6147885
Sounds like more of an SRPG mechanic.

>>6148012
Is that for real?

>>6148010
no you zoomer, FFII did the "meet person person dies" thingy before FFIV and in a far more hardcore manner

>status aliments/debuffs are pretty much useless on most bosses

>>6148019
every jrpg not called SMT?

>>6148019
one day I'm going to make an RPG where there is some low level spell called "melt" with the simple description that it melts things. if the player uses it on anything, it will melt. if they use it on a creature (boss or otherwise), it will melt gruesomely but without fail. in theory you could use it in battle, but the game is going to make you feel really bad about that, or maybe in the end game right before you win you are told how many things you melted and then melted yourself

>>6147939
In FF Tactics you could kill all but one enemy and then attack your own people and use charge up and healing skills to gain hella XP and JP.

>>6148010
He's talking about the Japanese FF2. All the temporary party members permanently die in cutscenes iirc.

>>6148026
That’s a tranny series.

>>6147894
because its hilarious.

the same games tend to let you rename the entire cast

>>6147887
Only a small handful of JRPGs let you do that.

>>6147987
Same thing with FF6

>>6147732
And then some dipshit tells you you should've just beaten the boss easily by using blue magic taken from one specific enemy.

>>6147526
>excessive grinding isn't capped or prevented by the game
>no option to remove all dialogue and cut scenes
>have to backtrack to towns
>long distance between towns, can't just teleport
>next event trigger is vague and not obvious, have to wander around talking to retarded NPCs to find it
>messy inventory system
>too many abilities to keep track of, 90% are useless
>amnesiac protag
>MINI-GAMES MINI-GAYMES
>3 hour intro before anything interesting happens (Trust me it gets good after 12hours bro!!)
>junction, pokemon, SMT type bullshit where you have to level up minions or abilities as well
>random fucken encounters
>Trash mob encounters that are just filler and take no skill or strategy
>no cooldowns on items, can rest after battles, can take items after battles...basically battles are pointless wastes of time and going in dungeons is tedious bullshit since there's no threat of dying
>dying doesn't matter since you just save-state back 10-20minues and redo...
>overall experience is unsatisfying due to no challenge

>>6148015
Yep. FF9 wanted in on the FF5 philosophy of putting secret shit everywhere

>>6148970
>>excessive grinding isn't capped or prevented by the game
sounds like your problem, stop grinding so much,

>>6149014
you end up overleveling in a lot of rpgs just by traveling and backtracking, unless you purposely Flee non-stop

>>6148012
What is inside the chest? If it’s just some generic potion item then I wouldn’t see that as a big deal.

That secret chest at the start of mario rpg that you have one chance to hit, that you need for 100% completion, is another matter.

>>6147796
I will never forgive Kiefer since he is the one that drags the MC into the adventure in the first place and just abandons saving the world (another thing he was pushing MC to do) for some gypsy.
And also leaving you alone with Maribel which some would consider a fate worse than death.

>>6148014
Yeah, still annoying though

>super powerful party that saves the town from the monster
>your reward is the now demon possessed king throw you into the prison
>two puny guards escort your team to prison, the same team that just beat an enemy that their entire army couldn't beat
One of the worst fucking cliches. I hate that Japanese writers just seemed to be in love with this trope in game after game throughout the 90s, in most rpgs you were gonna waste five minutes sitting in a jail until the sleeping cell mate shows you the hidden exit.

>enemy HAHA YOU CANT BEAT ME
>fight starts
>trash enemy
>fight is scripted and in a cutscene the enemy is wiping the floor with your team

I fucking hate this so much. If you want your stupid ass villain to be a powerful gary stu then make him look so in battle. If i kick his ass but magically lose in a cutscene i'm burning your house down and drowning your entire family

>>6147526
>power of friendship

>>6149241
Nothing is stronger than friendship though, anon. You would know if you had friends

>>6149243
Dilate, i mean it to the story in context, its no a problem if you had a huge bond with your party member, its just the games story that pushes me on the edge about "muh power of friendship", this is mlp tier.

>>6147772
herbivore

>>6149049
>What is inside the chest?

>party members that die in battle are gone forever
>party member dies after several jackpot lvl up bonuses
Fuck you fire emblem

>>6147739
Same fucking thing holy shit.

I can't remember which game it was.
Just
>never use character
>mid-late game
>suddenly forced to use all characters
>automatically lose because x character is so underleveled and his team is so important to that mission that when he died it's just automatic game over because there is no way the other two can complete objective

I mean fuck me.

>>6147880
while it's not exclusive to only japan (see bioware) outside of souls-likes (or whatever you'd call them) waifufaggotry is what sells for that particular sub genre of RPGs.

JRPGs probably would've died out a long time ago without waifushit (fire emblem definitely was on the verge of death before awakening) and then you would be complaining about why they don't make JRPGs anymore.

>>6147772
it's not a big of a deal depending on the character in question. there's a good number of female party members in various RPGs that just grate on my nerves.

>>6147796
i remember when my brother speced out the party member that was scripted to die as a his healer.

i think he stopped playing at that point.

No risk because there's really no way to game over when you use save files. And because of this developers are free to add dozens of hours of filler to games.

I understand character and stories are important but we don't need 40hours+ of backtracking and long-winded expositions, slow walk speeds, slow battle intros, slow victory screens, sloq cutscenes and slow everything, everything is slowed the fuck as if developers don't respect player time at all.

That's why rpgs have headed in a horrible direction ever since mid-90s, FF6.

>>6147984
Stupid hidden mithril in Shining Force 2.

>>6150983
Yep, for mine it was FM on the playstation. Had a group that I really liked, had them outfitted to shatter every enemy's shitter, and completely neglected the ones I didn't like. Got to a point where the teams got split up, and my other group of under equipped and under leveled trash characters couldn't even remotely match what they were fighting.

>>6147772
Live-A-Live 8th chapter

>>6147872
Most strategy RPGs give out EXP based on the actions of individual characters.

>>6149240
This is always talked about and I know I can think of maybe one game that does this if I try, but I don’t think there are that many period.

It’s way worse when the enemy is unbeatable in battle but doesn’t appear to be, so you waste time and healing items.

>>6151674
>This is always talked about and I know I can think of maybe one game that does this if I try
pokemon
wild arms
BoF
hoshigami
yggdra union
some FEs
some FFs
dragon quest VI

this just from the top of my mind

Dialogue choices that have absolutely no effect on the course of the story, even worse when they allow you to choose the wrong answer but still force you to choose the right answer so you can progress.

>>6151790
BUT THOU MUST

>>6151790
>You get a game over if you choose the wrong dialog options enough times

>>6147741
They're not real

>>6148012
I really want to play FFIX, but I've just gone through a handful of other Square RPGs that are loaded with that "unintuitive, hidden, permanently-missable item" bullshit. I feel like I should take a break and play something else first, I'm sick of playing games where I have to check a guide before I leave each area just to make sure I didn't miss out on getting something super-cool later in the game.

The worst is when you have to do something, but in a super-tiny, ultra-specific window, like "If you wand the Mondo-blade, wait until after the Cave of Woe, but BEFORE the quilting festival starts, go to the northeast house, and when given the option KNOCK on the door, just don't barge in. Then talk to the NPC inside, and then after he sneezes (BUT BEFORE HE ASKS YOU TO FIND TISSUES), go into his basement and check the woodpile next to the shelves EXACTLY THREE TIMES." There's a difference between being a diligent, properly curious player and whatever the fuck this bullshit is. Fuck off, Square.

>>6148019
This always confused me as a kid, especially because in 99% of JRPGs, status ailments and debuffs are fucking useless in regular encounters.

>>6147526
>party member from the beginning rejoins after 3/4 of the game is over
>didn't level up at all

I mean I get it since you basically find him again the second you left him because of time travel bullshit but goddamn.

>>6151024
>That's why rpgs have headed in a horrible direction ever since mid-90s, FF6.
I'm playing FF6 now and I really don't think it has any of those problems. There's no backtracking, nothing is long-winded, your walk speed is quick once you get the sprint shoes (although they should have just made that default, or put a run button) the battle intros and outtros are snappy as fuck (if you mash A, you can get back to the field screen before the victory music even starts playing), and even cutscenes are short and to the point. The game never forces you to watch obnoxious backstory for characters you don't care about; in fact, there's tons of dialogue you'll probably never even read if you don't use certain characters, but none of it really affects the plot all that much, it's just there for the people who might actually care. World of Balance has great pacing and is constantly giving you short-term objectives to keep you motivated, as well as splitting up your party to give you reasons to use different characters. And World of Ruin is so non-linear and devoid of filler that people literally complain about it.

I agree that a lot of JRPGs suffer from the problems you mentioned, but you could have picked a better example than FFVI. Chrono Cross, for example, is a bit younger, but is guilty of almost everything you said, and definitely has zero respect for the players' time. Such a bloated disaster.

>>6148001
What other thought should go into elemental magic?

>>6148208
I just got to this point of FFVI, and honestly, you don't miss much if you open all of the early-game chests. Most of it is consumables, or by the time you can get it, is matched or outclassed by stuff you can win in the coliseum. The only really good thing is the ribbon near the Moogle cave, and even then, ribbons aren't even as helpful in FFVI as they are in other games, plus you can steal/morph infinite amounts in the late game if you're brave/lucky.

>>6147923
I don't need to be able to make dialogue choices that actually affect the game in order to self-insert, though. As long as the protagonist is silent, I have no problem, since I'm still literally controlling everything the character does. I'm not gonna throw a shitfit just because I can't choose to not save the princess.

When I was a kid, I used to alwayse use default names or think up funny ones, because let's face it, as a kid you don't want to be you, you want to be a grown-up super cool hero, but now that I'm an adult, I almost always use my real name when it's clear that the character is a blank slate.

>>6151934
You're very easy to please then. I can't self-insert as Link at all just because he doesnt answer back people

>>6151937
I think you just have a really specific idea about what "self-insert" means. It doesn't mean "complete, meticulous character customization" or "complex, impactful dialogue trees", it just means "you pretend the main character is you, and your reactions take the place of his". That's it.

Funny you mention Zelda, though, because I really can't self-insert as Link, either. I think it's just because he's a very long-established character, and does have some noticeable, enduring traits, as well as an established origin with the whole reincarnation thing.

>>6147732
I hate this, but what I hate even more is job systems. Even since FFI on the NES, it's always just kind of a gamble. It seems like it should be about customization and variety, but instead it's about "guess which jobs are next to useless and which are nearly indespensible, good luck, faggot!". I always feel like I pick the wrong jobs, and it's even worse in newer JRPGs where they let you mix job classes and create new ones. This kind of shit gives me anxiety and makes me feel like I'm just wasting time with my party and I'm going to have to eventually go back and do a bunch of grinding to get everyone the "right" jobs.

In fact, I'm not really a fan of party customization at all in most RPGs. Nobody ever seems to get it right; it's either "50% of the options are useless" or "every character is a blank slate that just ends up broken and exactly the same anyway". FF games really became that way starting with 6, but it got really bad in 7 and 8. Especially 8, where literally every stat was just the product of however many spells you chose to junction to it. Absolutely retarded system.

Personally, I like it when an RPG hands you characters with pre-defined stats and roles. It, ironically, makes things feel more dynamic, and you don't have to worry whether or not you're fucking yourself over 30 hours in the future.

>>6151975
>terrible opinion
>didnt even mention FFV

smells like zoomer spirit

>>6151954
The reason no one self inserts as Link is because they're afraid of turning into Andrew Dobson

>>6151681
You forgot Lufia.
At least they give you a cool sword for it

>>6148012
>>6151881
FF9 isn't really *that* bad unless you're going for all key items, which I never do. Other than that, you're basically fine as long as you just follow the general principle of buying equipment liberally, since the main way you can get fucked is by different shops becoming unavailable on Disc 4 (sometimes as early as Disc 3). You can also get many of these items just by stealing from bosses, at least one copy of them, that is.

But like, you really just have to make sure that every time you check in somewhere, there's no new equipment that teaches a new ability. If in doubt, buy an extra for synthesis later.

Probably the most BS one is that several items that teach unique skills and are otherwise useful are only available in Daguerreo—an optional area—if you visit on Disc 3, including the second and last chance to buy the Octagon Rod for Vivi, which teaches the 3rd-tier elemental magic! But most of these shops really only disappear at the very end of the game, like after you go to Terra. So by the time you've figured out you've missed something, you've experienced 95% of the game's content already anyway.

>>6148970
>junction, pokemon, SMT type bullshit where you have to level up minions or abilities as well
Shit take bro

>>6151097
If only they set it up where it wasn't an automatic game over, but rather the story continued with the consequences of one team completely failing and dying off.

>>6151681
you can win in hoshigami and wild arms though

>long, unskippable cutscene and/or a shitton of dialogue before a very hard boss battle
This is why I emulate and use save states at the beginning of boss battles. Call me a shitter, I don't care.

>>6154505
Shitter
I do the same

>>6147796
>party member will leave your party but the game doesn't warn you about it
>game has separate inventories for each character and any items the character had on them are lost forever

>>6151681
not retro but xenoblade 2 also does it

>>6151443
This never happened and I don't get why people insist on interpreting it that way.
The princess was simply naive and fell for Straybow's sob story(hence why one of Odio's attacks is called "Saint Alicia").

That chapter was depressing for other reasons such as everything terrible happening to Oersted not just the final event.

>>6147772
I want to fuck Primm.
But she doesn't get with anyone, Dyluck literally dies.

>>6149240
Fuck Beatrix.

>>6157787
t. Oersted in denial

>FFX
>have to swap in a party member to perform 1 action so they recieve XP
>Gotta do this for every playable character
>every single battle

At least you can abuse the monster arena in the late game to powerlevel members... but fuck is it annoying.

>>6147772
That's not cucking and stop loving vicariously through pixels, you goddamn loser.

>>6157787
The princess never liked Oersted to begin with.

>>6159574
>and stop loving vicariously through pixels, you goddamn loser
"no."

>>6147526
Bad guy's plan is obvious even if you're not using a guide, but you have to be fooled to advance the plot.

>>6150983
FM3 gets around this by letting you have access to VR training basically all the time to improve characters even if they're not part of story missions.

>>6147661
Someone who wants a reason to use characters who aren't like the best three. I actually wanna play video games, fuck off with your zoomer gamplay skipping shit

>>6149046
This to be honest

>>6147785
You mean Sendak?

>>6148027

>>6147664
>hey faggot you know that asshole traitor that backstabbed you? Guess what if you don't use his faggoty ass he gets absolutely shreked by your dad and you can't 100% the game.

>>6159562
You don't have to do this, it's just your compulsory nature taking over.

Each character has its own cases. Tidus for agile monsters, Wakka for birds, Auron for armor, Lulu for elementals, Rikku for machines and utility/wild card scenarios, Yuna to square off with the apex monsters. Plus a maverick character in Kimahri who can "fake" most of these roles in scenarios where you think you need more than one of a certain role.

A battle will generally give you 3 of these "cases" and you match up your characters or summon an Aeon. The next battle maybe you use 3 others, and now they get experience. On bosses, give everyone a turn, sure.

I guarantee you level faster this way because you're not dragging out low-AP fights having Rikku and Yuna meleeing armored enemies.

>>6151975
I agree, this is why FFIV will always be the best

>>6147526
If a character is "unconscious" at the end of a battle they gain no experience from the fight, especially if they fought the whole way and went down to a lucky shot right before the final hit ended the battle.

That always autistically enraged me in boss fights.

>>6162569
>accidentally discovered a good mechanic
That's a really good idea. I cant think of a single RPG that gives downed characters a proportional amount of XP based on how long they participated in the fight. This has to exist right?

>party members who die in the dungeon get eaten if you are wiped

>>6162759
Would be very easy to implement too,
assuming you already have a way of dealing with 16bit numbers and arithmetic. On the other hand, sometimes you actually want all the experience to go 1 character, though usually you just start with all others dead in that case.

>>6162414
or just use summons to do everything lmao

>>6162759
Training Beyd in BoF3 counts right? Front Mission also gives you a bit of piss exp even if you lose match ups

Unlimited SaGa gives HP growth directly proportional to actions taken in combat which i think you can still get even if your character gets incapacitated from LP 0

>>6163474
Well, yeah. Yuna is the most disproportionately powerful party member in a JRPG (relative to the other characters in her own game). If you feed her your extra ability spheres and make sure to at the very least get her into every battle, you start breaking the game by the time you get to Operation Mi'ihen. Giving her even just one Aeon that scales with her stats is rather chunky, but the fact that you just keep getting more of them is ridiculous. And of course, the segment where you can't use Yuna is the hardest part in the game.

>>6147526
gameplay and challenge are ignored in favour of loot farming, item hoarding and dialogue scenes and walking around in towns flipping through your inventory talking to NPCs.

SOme people find that exciting and really interesting but not me.

>>6147526
>Party member does the bulk of the work but dies 2 seconds before the boss does.
>gets no xp

>>6147796
>dude what if i stole all your good equips lmao

>>6149046

>>6165010
>steals your good equips
>AND locks you into a bullshit single battle that will probably beat your ass on the first playthrough before you know how broken FFT is and how easy it is to break the game

>>6165010
What kind of fucking idiot doesn't gank all of Gafgarion's equipment as soon as he joins and give him shitty iron weapons?

>>6147939
The Bard's Tale has this as a general feature.

>>6165337
someone who played the game in 1997. the joke was aimed for first-time players

>>6147689
It is incredible how, the moment I read>>6147664 post I thought of Sten.

>>6162071
That makes more sense though. For one, Pahn is awesome. For two, even if he was not, you need to do that shit to 100% the game, not to finish the game.

>>6147741
Now THAT'S some serious autism, ladies & gentlemen!

>>6161398
Then
Use
Them

>>6161398
>Grinding levels is gameplay

Grinding has always been seen as an artificial time sink that's designed to make you sink more time into accomplishing the same things. Fighting random battles over and over isn't challenging, fun, or even difficult.

>>6165782
>you need to do that shit to 100% the game, not to finish the game.
It's the true ending, so yes, to actually finish the game and not get some shitty fake ending, you need to do this.

>Start a side-quest
>It's actually, long, tedious, and will take the entire course of the whole game
>The rewards are worse than almost any other thing you'd get during the rest of the game.

>>6148016
Most of the characters in final fantasy 4 didn't really die while almost all of the characters in 2 did.

>>6147981
>Final Fantasy 6
>Be Locke Cole
>Equip Muscle Belt to double your hitpoints
>Equip Valiant Knife
>Equip Offering
>Go into a fight with minimal HP
>Watch all enemies, bosses included being assraped by Locke
>If Locke dies, just use a normal revive to get sure his HP is still minimal

>>6166340
It reminds me Lufia's long ass labyrinth although the rewards were actually pretty good. The downside was it made feel the game bland and too easy after it.

The one thing that makes Fire Emblem unplayable to me is having deaths be total.
There's finite enemies, they're choosing their own battles, and there's hidden events/skits when you walk near members.

I remember trying to save scum save states to try to do a stage picture perfect to find everything and also try to attempt an optimal leveling strat for who I wanted besides the big hero

And then I just stopped having fun

>>6168359
It's all gay weebshit anyway, who cares. Play Tactics Ogre instead

>>6168359
Yeah, FE is way more fun if you commit to doing it ironman.

That is, unless you're playing FE7 and Matthew dies early on, causing you to miss tons of loot.

>Player casts instant-death spell
>20% success rate
>Enemy casts exact same spell
>80% success rate

>savepoint it's just before a 5 minutes dialogue before a very hard boss.

>>6147526
I have literally never seen anyone complain about this before now.
And anyway, it's a fuck ton better than shit like >>6147689.

>>6148010
no he didnt you dumbfuck

>>6147741
Because communism

>>6149067

So that guy never returns to the party? Found it strange how he left so early in the game, being so prominent in the game artwork and all

>>6162414

I might have royally messed up with the cat's grid because he was completely useless for me.

>>6168943
If you haphazardly go all over the place, he'll just be mediocre at everything. If you send him down a specific route, he'll be a version of that character who can also drain MP, pierce armor (generally), and use some quirky Overdrives.

It's generally agreed that it's "best" to send him down Rikku's path. Steal/Use are the most unique skills in the game and fit his Blue Mage role, plus Speed is a great stat to pump in any game.

>>6151870
I think it was Golden Sun or something from around that era I remember laughing my ass off because it went along the lines of
>"Hey dude! Go save the world!"
>"No"
>Leave tent
>Fuck you, game over, everyone died

>>6169073
Yeah, it's the first Golden Sun.

>>6151886
Yeah, that's deliberate or it wouldn't happen on ps1 since it uses eternia system and in eternia non-active (even not yet meet) party members recieve full experience.

>>6147772
thank you for using the correct word! so many idiots today use "hero" even though it's a female. gender specific words are super useful and should be treasured since the english language doesn't have that many of them.

>>6147987
hope you like dodging 200 lightning bolts in a row or you'll never get the venus sigil!

>The player is not told how many bolts they have dodged, and if they miscount and leave the area without dodging enough bolts, their total is reset. It is thus advised to aim for more than two hundred dodged bolts.

the worst part about these things is that they never seem to hint at these things inside the game so the only way people find out about it is when developers "leak" information to generate buzz about the game. at least have an old dusty book somewhere in the game that talks about dodging lightning 200 times...

>>6147526
>Party member dies
you can revive them
>Main character dies
instant game over

>>6170439
in final fantasy 13 the end game grind required you to kill these things over and over for 40 hours. obviously not required to beat the game normally but great game design right there. had a friend that was one of those "must beat it 100%" types. i don't know why the game designers wants to waste these type of people's time so badly

>>6170439
Most of the Sigil quests are kind of bad and contrived. Yuna’s and Rikku’s are reasonable. Auron’s is simple but grindy. Wakka’s is fluky but not too bad if you like Blitzball. The other 3 can go fuck themselves.

>>6170478
only one i remember is rikku, you pick it up from a chest in the desert. just need to know where to fly with the airship. again don't know if they actually tell you that in-game. a lot better than having to do time-wasting and not-so-fun stuff.

>>6170390
That was a weird thing in FF6, where Locke is automatically two levels above Terra when he shows up, whether you grind in the first area or not.

>>6148010
Gr8 b8. You nailed it.

>>6147894
Because DQ was inspired by WRPGs and let you do it, so when everyone tried to copy them no one thought the reason they did it and just implemented the same mechanics

>Play FF6
>final dungeon, form a team with Umaro
>get to a mid boss, kills weak ass members
>except Umaro
>Umaro is raging, cannot control him
>casts a ice based skill randomly
>does not use MP because skill (I think?)
>it heals the boss
>this goes on for a while, reset would lose lots of progress
>leave game running, let it play itself
>came back an hour later, somehow boss is defeated (Umaro used more physical attacks than ice skill?)

>>6166340
Ultima 9's Lighthouse quest

I'm surprised that not a single person mentioned NPCs that get in your way and block you.

>>6147880
>Frankly Im more sick of this retarded era of dating sim garbage. It just results in all the characters being badly written so the non character MC can have his pick of the litter and every other character is reduced to a cheer squad.
You mean like what Persona did to SMT.
It's a world full of demons, from gods to angels to cryptids and spirits and actual demons with their own lore, but people would rather obsess over the teenage high school girls. I wish we could talk to demons more but no, we need more anime girl dating sims in everything.

>>6147894
In a world where you can fuck around with skull structures in character creation to make natural atrocities, that's like the bare minimum. That's like Pokemon levels of immersion

>>6170467
>i don't know why the game designers wants to waste these type of people's time so badly

Some people LOVE it. For them the game NEEDS to be about time wasting. The idea of sitting down and grinding nonstop for weeks or even months is ideal. A well crafted experience is a waste of money. Sometimes I think JRPGs need to be divided into sub-genres to differentiate between hardcore grinding and a straight forward balanced experience.

>>6147772
hahahahaha

>>6147526
90% of minigames. Although the motor cycle one was kind of cool. The submarine chase one was neat, but way too easy.

>>6147526
I agree it was something that bugged me about ffvii too. If I am not using you then you shouldnt level up.

>>6166298
i think maybe your true ending is the shitty one anon

>>6173192
anon there are people who like to talk about those thigns, they just don't like talking to you

>>6173976
Anon, you may be right, but I mean talking TO demons, as in the negotiation and recruitment mechanic that's a main feature of the series. I just wish we could get to know these literal gods you control in-game just a little bit more after you recruit them, compared to Persona's whole dating sim focus thing.

>>6159657
This is headcanon by retarded fans.
The game NEVER says this. You can't find a single sentence in the game that does.
She doesn't seem to be mad to be marrying Oersted prior to her getting kidnapped at all and in fact seems to be happy about it.

She's simply a sheltered princess who doesn't know any better and gets brainwashed by Straybow in what would be the worst crisis of her life.

>>6151674
>plow through hoards of enemies using mortars, guns, magic, swords etc without a scratch
>cutscene where the bad guy points a gun at you
>"ah you got me"

>>6147526
Badly designed permadeath encouraging save scumming, "morality systems", characters unlocked late in the game starting with shit stats

>>6151937
>>6151954
>>6152260
Link is one of the only game protagonists I can self insert as, because his approach to life is more or less how players approach Zelda games. This is basically why he is so legendary in universe, along with the Triforce of Courage.

>>6147741
couldn't they be training somewhere else?

>Boss fight
>You kind of struggle but fine, between items and luck you limp over the finish line
>SURPRISE MOTHERFUCKER THERE'S A SECOND FIGHT AFTER IT WITH NO CHANCE TO RESTOCK, SAVE OR EVEN HEAL UP

Additionally, though this isn't so much the game itself
>Look up online how to beat the bosses
>One guide has instructions, but it's assuming you followed the guide the entire game to make a very specific, very broken build
>Other guide doesn't do that, but just says 'just do what you usually do/he should be easy, so beat him and' or something like that
Motherfucker, I'm looking up your guide BECAUSE I'm not finding a fight easy.

>>6147526
>there is no way on this planet you would ever know of this "secret" without a strategy guide or GameFAQs
>you have to do the most contrived shit and obtuse shit just to get this secret
>you have to pray to RNGods to get this item that you only have one shot with

God I fucked hated FFT for this shit. Fun as fuck otherwise.

>>6147526
>Need to buy a shitton of healing items
>Can only buy one at a time

>When you try to be conscientious and level your party roughly equally, but it leaves you too weak to beat the level, no matter what you do.
I'm looking at you, tactics ogre

>>6147526
>Reflex based minigames for important items
Try doing that shit on a modern tv

>>6147741
>slackers

you didn't use them. you're the slacker but you're right though. then again, they just level up because the game narrative suggests that all party members fight along even though you have to choose like 4 of them and leave out the other two but you see a cutscene with all of them fighting a boss or whatever.

>>6147664
FFX got around this well. When you're forced to use Kimahri the bosses stats are based on his

>>6166741
>Most of the characters in final fantasy 4 didn't really die
True but you never get them back so for equipment's sake its the same shit

>cast a curse spell giving the enemy some ailment
>IT NEVER FUCKING WORKS ANYFUCKINGWAY

the chance of it working is usually too low and if it's a boss it just doesn't fucking work. looking at Persona 3 for example.

>>6147987
That doesn't happen in IX

>>6149049
It's an accessory that you can get very easily.

>>6170443
this shit, I swear to fucking god...
there was one game where it became possible to get revived by the other player characters but this shit just usually forces you to hort all the best equipment for the protag and train him the hardest just so that faggot doesn't die.

>Boss is immune to status effects
>Boss doesn't react to weakness exploitation like normal enemies
>Boss in some other way just ignores normal game rules
What's the fucking point, then? A boss is meant to be a test of your mechanical execution, not a mindless grind of your health bar against theirs to see which runs out first.

>>6151881
>I really want to play FFIX, but I've just gone through a handful of other Square RPGs that are loaded with that "unintuitive, hidden, permanently-missable item" bullshit
Nothing important in IX is misable. Except foe Excalibur II but that's a different thing entirely.

>>6159562
>>Gotta do this for every playable character
>>every single battle
You're playing it wrong. You're playing it so wrong I want to beat you for being so retarded.

>>6168359
>The one thing that makes Fire Emblem unplayable to me is having deaths be total.
Get Good

>>6147526
Label or typo sequels: Alundra 2(durr hurr lame enemies vs melzas the dream demon freddy mode),Wind Waker(fisher and price zelda straight after majora),breath of fire dragon quarter(dragon power kills you why ?) and worst of all final fantasy 12/15(nothing like 4,6,7,8,9.10 just a slap on ff wrapper style).

>>6149049
you dont need to hit it at the start. you can do it later with the toads that randomly walk around. its just annoying trying to get them to go where you want.

>all this whining about how shit RPGs are ITT
Why not just play a good genre then, like shmups?

>>6162065
with the power to...MELT...

>>6178825
What game does this besides Final Fantasy 1?

>npcs randomly getting in your fucking way every time you enter a town

>spend all your gold updating your weapons and armor, the same shit is sitting in chests for free littered all over the next dungeon

>fight a boss character who later joins your party, but is ridiculously weak compared to when you fought him

>>6147663
I always assumed that the other party members travel the same path as the main characters and fight similar monsters hence why they level up as well.

>>6179014
7th Saga, Mother, Terranigma. As far as I remember.
I don't remember Earthbound but probably the same as Mother

>>6179120
>the same shit is sitting in chests for free littered all over the next dungeon
Ha! It's worse when
>Better shit is sitting in a chest for free all over the place

>>6178945
>shmups
>good
They are good for the first 30 min, then they get stale really quick

>take a break
>forgot which save file was mine
>no obvious way to check progress

Fucking tales of Phantasia.
Last I remember, I had to defeat 4 different elementals/spirits, and I believe I got 3 out of 4 of them.

Is there any way to tell how many I have?

>>6179619
Not if you play for highscore or 1cc, then they become exciting and highly replayable.

>>6149240
>lose boss battle
>game over
>almost win boss battle
>cutscene is triggered when boss health at 10% or something, and you lose in the cutscene

>>6179648
Check a walkthrough.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588771-tales-of-phantasia/faqs/5675

>equip valuable item on character
>said character dies
>all her equipment is gone as well

fuck saga frontier 2, shitty guide game

>>6147526
When your party outnumbers the standard monster troop, it makes the player seem like a weakling who hides behind strength in numbers

>>6178897
>status effect in general
Why waste a turn on a skill that will fail the majority of the time especially when every single turn is life and death. I would much more prefer
>equipment or spell that tells the exact hit percentages and what tech should even bother with in the first place

I hate RPGs that have class systems that require you to train a character in all classes. I don't think it's in any retro RPGs though.

I hate not being able to change the map/vanguard/leader character. If you're gonna give me a whole party let me choose who Im looking at for the huge percent of the time Im not in battle. Or at the very least let me do the train thing where everyone runs in a line.

>>6147526
>party members you don't use level up with you
I agree, it's bullshit

great thread, all, you did well.

>>6178773
not /vr/ but Mirage Islands in Pokemon Ruby/Sapphire