/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6143141
No, Ages is the inferior of the two as it tries to be "OoT 2D" and is weaker for it.

Hotter villain though.

>>6143141
I like Seasons more but Ages is still great. They're supposed to be played as a pair, so don't skip it.

awakening > seasons > ages > minish cap > lttp

sorry nostalgiafaggots

>>6143141
Ages is way more puzzle focused.

Seasons might be my favorite of the 2D zeldas.

>>6143141
Everyone likes to shit on these games for some reason: possibly because Capcom pinched them out. I played them when they came out and have always enjoyed them: Link's Awakening wasn't broken and they very sensibly didn't fix it.

when did it became cool to hate on lttp? it used to be THE 2d zelda game

>>6143187
lttp after minish cap
gtfo

>>6143358
Never, it's still the best of all of them in every aspect.

>>6143187
>minish cap
I haven't played Ages or Seasons yet, but Minish Cap doesn't even belong on the same list. LttP and Awakening are so much better

>>6143573
the only credit it deserves is that it set up the groundwork for these other games to improve upon in every single way

>>6143141
Wait until you finish seasons and start playing ages, and then go back and forth between the games with the secret codes you find from people that let you unlock stuff. Truly one of the best, If not the best games for the system.

>>6143615
>for these other games to improve upon in every single way
yes, and we're still waiting on that improvement.

>>6143615
check yourself
what do you think laying the foundation for the rest of the series is? it's timelessness

>>6143630
>better dungeon design
check

>better graphics
check

>better items
check

>better music
check

>better story
check

>>6143645
>>better dungeon design
>check
>>better graphics
>check
>>better items
>check
>>better music
>check
>>better story
>check

All false for the newer games.

>>6143661
sorry grampa your nostalgia is blinding you

>>6143667
you zoomers have to go holy shit

>>6143676
it is what it is. I dont have a hateboner for lttp or anything, I totally get that these games are standing on the shoulders of giants, but if you try to more or less objectively compare lttp to its sucessors, the game really has worse presentation and worse gameplay. even just comparing it to links awakening which came only 2 years later, the difference in dungeon design between the two is abysmal.

>>6143697
Link's Awakening can't help having abysmal dungeon design, it was on the gameboy.

>>6143697
>>6143697
but you're so unbelievably wrong, it's laughable you think LA is better than LttP
it's insane to think that the latter doesn't hold its own to newer zeldas such as TP or BotW

>>6143321
>Everyone likes to shit on these games for some reason
Because this board is mostly casuals and zoomers that never played any of the handheld Zeldas

>>6144031
>Because this board is mostly stuck in the past boomers who worship the snes
fixed

>>6144223
It's their one link to the past that they so dearly hold onto to avoid acknowledging the fact that time marches on.

Zoomer cope.

>>6143187
>meme cap

it's too short. LttP is kinda better.

>>6144308
kinda
sorta
a Lot

Link to the Past is easily the most overrated Zelda game. Easiest to get into, but it is vanilla compared to the games that came before and after it which either had better exploration with more of the world open to you to better dungeon design.

>>6143141
I found Seasons to be amazing, but put LttP above it still. Now I'm not sure which one I think is better but Awakening sure sucks (that annoying acorn music).

>>6143358
Even as a kid I found LTTP is fucking boring. I mean, that's a good improvement over the NES garbage. I didn't enjoy a 2D Zelda game growing up until the portable titles.

Seasons is way too easy. The enemies all have attack patterns on par with Zelda 1, which doesn't work since Link controls like he's from ALttP with diagonal movement and wider sword slashes.

>>6143187
season > awakening > lttp > ages > minish cap

>>6144324
botw is Easily the most Overrated zelda game

>>6144589
you have diagonal movement in zelda 1

>>6144862
botw isnt even a zelda game

>>6143141
Seasons is fun, but Ages is a far richer game.

>>6143145
Fpwp except for the Veran comment. Ages is better than OoT, as it does time travel much BETTER.

I found his final form to be the most epic final boss battle in the franchise.

>>6145185
Of the oracles game, I liked the last dungeon of Age's area the most
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snhK3z6IAKw

>>6144929
>Seasons is fun, but Ages is a far richer game.
Every time I see people talking about Age, I hear nothing but complaints. But honestly, I liked for everything about it, even if it is one of the most frustrating games in the franchise.

>>6145206
I just dislike the slot machine boss and the goron mtns

>>6145185
Because is Mega Man X final boss but with a dragon.

>>6144238
The Oracle games are almost 20 years old so I don't know who this guy thinks hes kidding with the nostalgia shitposting. GBC graphics somehow aged better than SNES? Ok.

Capcom does what Nintendont

>Capcom made the best Zelda
>Sega made the best F-Zero
>Platinum Games made the best Star Fox
>ex-Goemon Team made the best Yoshi
>Treasure made the best Wario

Why are other companies so much better at doing Nintendo's IPs?

>>6143358

It's funny, LA used to get shit on all the time

>>6145378
KoeiTecmo made the best Zelda.

>>6145378
>Platinum Games made the best Star Fox
You mean Rare.

>>6145378
Are you implying Wario Land 4 isn’t the best game in the series?

I beat Seasons, but I rage quit trying to do the Ages dance and deleted my save files.

>>6145474
Yes.

>>6145378
>Capcom made the best Zelda
You could argue this
>Sega made the best F-Zero
X is the best.
>Platinum Games made the best Star Fox
Zero is pretty shit.
>ex-Goemon Team made the best Yoshi
You could argue this.
>Treasure made the best Wario
Mmmmno. Like that other anon said, Land 4 deserves that title.

>>6145495
>f-zero x
>better than gx
is this nigga serious

>>6145524
X has better atmosphere, music, and style and feels just as good to play imo.

>>6143141
>Oracle of Seasons >>>> Link to the Past
as it should be..... considering the Oracle games came out TEN YEARS after a Link to the Past and were true spiritual successors/sequels to LttP, taking advantage of and building upon what LttP laid out and without LttP the Oracle games wouldn't/couldn't exist. the more surprising thing is how all the other zelda games have not really grown beyond their predecessors. be it 2d or 3d, outside of BotW which took a whole new approach to the series. the fact that the oracle games are better than the gba and ds games is the true WTF moment.

>>6145206
>Every time I see people talking about Age, I hear nothing but complaints.
I really think it's due to people playing Seasons before Ages, or possibly because they ONLY played Seasons when they were kids. I played Seasons first at my brother's friend's house, but got Ages and my brother Seasons, so I played them both a lot, and yet I love Ages a lot more. I recently went through the "Seasons to Ages" path, and it's just not as fulfilling as the "Ages to Seasons" path, since Ages feels like a complete game all by itself, but Seasons is lacking a cohesive narrative by itself, as if it were a prototype or something.

>>6143187
lttp >>> la > oos > ooa > mc

>>6145201
The music of the Oracle games is just super forgetable.

>>6146425
This is the right order

>>6145759
X feels better to play. The physics/controls are stiffer in GX. It's the same thing that happened during the N64 -> GC transition for Mario and Tennis as well

>>6145378
>Capcom made the best Zelda
Not even close
>Sega made the best F-Zero
Close
>Platinum Games made the best Star Fox
It's underrated, but no
>ex-Goemon Team made the best Yoshi
Unless they made Yoshi's Island, then no
>Treasure made the best Wario
WarioWare is the best one, but most of the platformers are also better than World

>>6145782
Yeah Minish Cap and the DS Zeldas suck ass through a straw. I can't believe that people call Skyward Sword the worst Zelda game when most handheld Zeldas after the Oracles are mediocre at best even if I kinda liked playing through Link Between Worlds.

Link to the Past was obviously influential to both Seasons and Ages but in that regard you could say the same about the first Zelda on NES and the Neutopia games, which in turn were influenced by older adventure games like Hydlide and of course Ultima. However just because of those games preceding a different game doesn't always make them more enjoyable afterwards. I'll always acknowledge the influence games like Ultimate Doom and the original Street Fighter 2 have but I'd rather play later games like Duke 3D and Killer Instinct because I feel they added so much more to what was there before. In the same sense I'd rather replay Seasons than most of the Zeldas before because the overworld feels more alive and it feels like the narration compels you more to beat the final boss and save the hylian goddess because you're not only there to save her but also to get back to your original timeline. With most of the retro Zeldas I just ignore the story and replay the game from beginning to end almost to the point of speedrunning them, which is especially the case with LttP. T'hat's not necessarily bad mind you but if I just wanna blaze through a game then I'd rather replay something where there's not really a compelling story like Mario or F-Zero.

LoZ crawled and LttP walked so the GameBoy games could run

>>6145915
>as if it were a prototype or something.
it was going to be a TLoZ remake.

>>6143145
t. Filtered by Mermaid's Cave

>>6144862
Ocarina of Time is the most overrated classic Zelda.
BotW is the most overrated modern Zelda, followed by Twilight Princess.

>>6146780
All modern zeldas are overrated, desu fampai

lttp looks like shit and plays like shit

>>6146784
I think Spirit Tracks doesn't get as much love as it deserves. It's a big step above Phantom Hourglass.

>>6146807
Your opinion is shit

>>6144589
>Seasons is way too easy

false

>>6146780
>Ocarina of Time is the most overrated classic Zelda.
no, that'd end up being majoras mask if we even wanted to have that category
OoT had the series jump into 3D and set the standard for adventure games going forward
mm is just a pretentious game that wastes your time, sure it looks nice but it relied on a mostly underused ram add on

>>6147410
>complaining that a video game wastes your time
Hurr

>>6147410
>that'd end up being majoras mask
Even with all the hipsters gravatating towards MM I still don't see how you think this is true.

>>6146709
I know, and it shows. Game is great, regardless, but to call Ages shallow and Seasons an amazing game is laughable at best.

soul

>>6143321
Bullshit, these games have been overrated to the moon in the past decade for the very fact that LttP is so popular and there is a desperate desire to look cool and find the true "GOAT" Zelda. This thread has been made on this board hundreds of times and everywhere on the internet hundreds of times.

>>6143358
Zoomers trying hard to frame the entire world as "pre zoomer: bad" to deflect from their own awfulness

>>6143187
Minish Cap was the Flagship/Capcom Zelda game that would've dethroned ALttP if the devs give it additional development time's worth of content it severely needed

its not inferior, still a great 2D Zelda. but there needs to be much more to own a chance at any other Zelda.

>>6145378
>>Platinum Games made the best Star Fox
first of all, no
second of all, PG was barely involved with Miyamoto's dumpster fire of a old Wii project
third, Argonaut Games wasn't even a Nintendo subsidary

that remains to be Star Fox 2, the very game Nintendo keeps ripping from time to time

>>6145417
>musoushit
okay coomer

>>6143321
Flagship was always Capcom in name only, so any retard that actually thought that is a retard indeed.

>>6143141
Legend of Zelda is a brainlet series and I've noticed for that reason that Oracle of Seasons gets preferred by the masses over Oracle of Ages.

>>6146780
Wind Waker gets more blind love than Twilight Princess does---its fans tend to be more self-aware than Windzoomers.

>>6146498
you aren't kidding

>>6146532
>With most of the retro Zeldas I just ignore the story and replay the game from beginning to end almost to the point of speedrunning them
Why
Exploration is the reason why people play Zelda and that dissipates after the second playthrough

>>6148204
>Zoomers trying hard to frame the entire world as "pre zoomer: bad" to deflect from their own awfulness
this is hilarious

>>6147447
I could go into depth but it'd largely be pointless as it's just my opinion. MM still exists as a 1 year asset flip and OoT is the main course, a lot to appreciate about it.

>>6147410
>sure it looks fun
And it is, you faggot babby that played neither MM nor OoT when they were released.

>>6148532
couldn't be more wrong but nice strawmann

>>6145524
that nigga cannot be serious forreal

>>6148427
I would’ve said the exact reverse.

>>6145495
>"Capcom" made the best Zelda
>X is the best
Actually based.

ages is for patricians
seasons is for ADD tards
t. I got ages for chrismas and my one year younger brother got seasons

>>6145378
>Platinum Games made the best Star Fox
You are out of your fucking mind

>>6145378
>ex-Goemon Team made the best Yoshi
Which game did they make?

>>6145378
Zero is a good game, unironically, and faggots really need to git gud. Based post.

Lttp was my first 2d zelda and after playing all the gameboy games it legit feels borderline unplayable. Still a really historically significant game though.

>>6149539
Yeah, the gameboy games are legit borderline unplayable.

>>6149565
Based.

>>6148990
Wooly World and Crafted World

>>6143141
>Is oracle of ages on par with it?
its even better imo

Oracle of ages isn't as good. I don't feel this was better than ALTTP, or worse. Just different. Like there are things about it I love, but then I remember some parts and I want to fuck off and play ALTTP instead.

That said I would say I like the LA/Oracles engine better for something like romhacks or randomizers. I don't know if there's any randomizer worth a shit for those. ALTTP randomized felt like most of the time you were severely overpowered, but I guess it works well because there's no "cutscenes" or anything similar.

LA > Zelda 1 > Oracle of Seasons > ALTTP > Zelda 2 > Oracle of Ages > Minish Cap

>>6146532
>Minish Cap and the DS Zeldas suck ass through a straw

Don't compare an actual attempt at zelda (just a little bland and easier) to the gimmicky bullshit on DS. It's exactly like comparing TP to Skyward Sword.

>>6146532
Minish Cap is great, it's just too small in scope.
It feels like playing in your yard instead of a globetrotting adventure.

>>6143358
romhacks and speedrunners have made alttp popular again so contrarians don't like it no more

>>6146709
The Zelda 1 remake was going to be a separate game from the Oracles, which was planned as a trilogy. Miyamoto talked them into consolidating it down to two games and the assets for the Z1 remake got rolled into them (most going to Seasons).

>>6146498
>>6148434
Ok dummies https://youtube.com/watch?v=olkc80W3wQc

>>6143735
>t. retarded

>>6152225
Its swordfighting has always been worse than the GB games, for one. Great game, still, of course.

>>6152250
You mean "worse" in that you have to actually be mindful of your very limited range, as opposed to the giant sword of the Game Boy games that pretty much erases the whole tiny screen of enemies with a single button tap.

>>6152256
This is just not true. Post webm.

>>6152261
The sword in the GB games is almost twice as big as Link and has a very wide swing. You'd have to be legally blind to not hit any enemies with it.

>>6152212
>>6146532
neither the capcom zeldas or the DS ones suck
get with it mayne

Ages atmosphere, dungeons, and environments were about as good imo, but the pre-dungeon stuff was more tedious The fetch quest before dungeon 3 was pretty bad in particular.

>>6152261
>>60152284
Damn, I misread your post. I attribute them being better because of the faster/"cancelling" sword-swing animations in the GB games, personally. It's much more fun, which makes it better, whether or not it makes the game easier.

>>6152284
Meant to tag you here >>6152306

>>6152309
You have to go back.

>>6145185
The dragon from was decently challenging for me as a kid.

Ages is such a boring and tedious piece of shit, it's like the worst parts of modern Zelda in an old school skin

Seasons is just the best parts of old Zelda. It's in no way better than ALTTP but I'd put it alongside the original game and OoT as the 2nd best in the series.

>>6152824
ages is to majoras mask as seasons is to ocarina of time

>>6152842
in that people who like it put it on way too high of a pedestal and are out of their fucking minds? Definitely

>>6152843
Take your mydol/dilate.

>>6152824
>worst parts of modern Zelda
Oracle of Ages was really ahead of the time with breaking weapons, unrewarding exploration, no soundtrack and no sense of progression

>>6152762
It's still challenging, between dealing with the platforming controls and the claw sweep that does a billion damage. I'm pretty sure Onox is the hardest hitting enemy in Zelda besides instant kills and BotW stuff.

For me, it's Din.

>>6152951
True. I'm still kinda bad at dodging the claw sweep. Good boss fight.

I dont know man
The Oracle games ARE fun
That said, ALL handheld Zelda games reach a limit with me and I've never played a single one from beginning to end. It's like you go the entire map in the first 3 hours and then retrack the entire map 5 times which what is the point then

>>6152248
lmao that was the first song in my head how did you know

>>6148518
The fact they could make an entirely new game with those same assets after roughly one year is fucking impressive. And OoT was kinda skeletal in terms of personality. The fact it was 3D IS its personality. MM has that plus its own memorable tone and mood to it.

>>6148427
WW gets the modern love that it was robbed of when it first came out because everyone was an edgy teenager that just wanted OoT again but darker. They got exactly that and were blinded by how shallow it is, how repetitive it is, how soulless it feels, and the complete abandonment of an original antagonist in favor of Pigboy once again because OH WOW JUST LIKE OCARINA! If anything, TP fans are the zoomers.

>>6153041
oot is far from skeletor, it has a lot of charm and mystique /majesty to it, very unparalleled and unmatched by mm
it and TP seem to fly over the heads and under the radar of those who like mm and ww

>>6153127
I only like MM, though. It is the only good 3D Zelda, with OoT coming in as a close decent second.

>>6153135
the only good one? lmao

>>6153141
Never stop seething.

>>6152956
For me it's the maku tree

>>6153296
Also a respectable choice.

>>6153161
lol

Lttp dungeons all blend with each other, they have no identity. same boring music, same boring tileset, no interesting gimmicks.

>>6153809
Indeed, I never understood why it was considered the best 2D zelda for some. Most zelda games have variety on their dungeons while this one I finished maybe 5 or 6 times and I can't still tell which room goes in which dungeon. You could mix them together and it wouldn't matter, that's how fucking bland it is.

I mean even TP doesn't have this issue, which I consider the blandest zelda of all time (not the worst)

>>6153898
>>6153809
>thinking that shit matters
Zelda 1 is great

>>6153809
It's not like the Game Boy Zelda dungeons didn't look all the same either.

>>6154126
I'll have you know that every 6 darknut room is seared into my memory, thank you very much

I wait for the 120 dollars remake on Switch

>>6154142

>>6154139
they really didnt. go play them

>>6154162
minor differences. different textures, but everything is the same blocky labyrinths. Most who played the games didn't pay enough attention to tell the differences other than color palettes.

>>6153809>>6153809
>no identity. same boring music, same boring tileset, no interesting gimmicks
play them this century? nah never mind stay away from my zelda

>>6153809
>>6153898
I'm surprised at all the hate for LttP itt. I don't like 3D Zelda, but playing LttP now years after playing Ages and I fucking love it. My memories of Ages are fond, but I'm enjoying the shit out of LttP. I dunno what you guys mean about the dungeons. The dark world ones are legitimately great and I found a good deal of them actually challenging. I'm gonna need to get my ass a copy of Seasons/Ages again after this.

>>6154253
I couldn't even beat the skull dungeon my first time without activating the cane or cape and using all my magic. It's not even long, it just fucking rocks you as soon as you drop inside.

>>6143141
Why is Din such great waifu material?

>>6153809
they do have different tilesets and gimmicks

>eastern palace
cannonball dodging sections

>desert palace
quicksand, multiple entrances and exits

>tower of hera
dropping into holes to reach different floors

>palace of darkness
jumping/ledge puzzles, hammer-activated switches

>swamp palace
raising and lowering water levels, swimming

>skull woods
multiple entrances, destroying walls

>thieves' town
maze level, conveyor belts navigation and combat

>ice palace
slippery floor, block puzzles

>misery mire
lots of wizzrobes, lots of backtracking with switches opening different passages

>turtle rock
mazes, platform puzzles, lasers

>ganon tower
"final exam" dungeon

>>6154449
>>tower of hera
>dropping into holes to reach different floors
>skull woods
the dark world version of the lost woods re contextualizes reaching new rooms by falling into pits :)

>>6154378
>small tits
>brown skin
Doesn't seem that great to me.

>>6154479>>6154378
get a god damn life

>>6154480
This is just sad.

>>6154642
you
are
a fucking loser

>>6154480
>>6154647

>>6154728
weak

>>6154773
>trying to feel better about yourself by shitting on people from 4chan
not a very high bar, it is you that is weak

>>6154782
nice deflection weeb

>>6154802
>buzzword
weak

>>6154647
AYO...
This dude wants to talk about Oracle of Seasons gameplay mechanics in comparison to Link to the Past instead of Zelda waifus.
No....I'm serious!

>>6154806
way to reuse my word idiot
>>6154827
anyone who says waifu is an insufferable fag

>>6154832
>waaaa stop turning my own argument against me
No, people who complain about others having fun in a harmless way are the insufferable ones

>>6143141
Based. My favorite is Ages, but it was literally my first Zelda. Objectivly LttP might be the best one, but I think the Oracle games are incredibly underrated. I also think LA is incredibly overrated.

As an aside, the promotional artwork for the Oracle games are fucking amazing. Perfect blend of cartoony and detailed.

Absolutely GOAT lost woods theme, it's unironically what I would call SOUL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JJEaVI3JRs

>>6154142
>not wizzrobes

FUCK those blue cunts. Absolutely fuck them, fuck em right to hell.

>>6154849
you guys are gay af

>>6154449
These all seem like valid identities to me, besides maybe eastern palace and palace of darkness which were pretty bland.

I remember liking the forest one that switched between dungeon and overworld a lot. That’s the only one I wouldve remembered as distinct besides the puzzle focused ice dungeon, but ive only played through once.

LttP really couldve used more dungeon songs, it wouldve helped so much in regards to making each one memorable.

>>6155283
>LttP really couldve used more dungeon songs, it wouldve helped so much in regards to making each one memorable.
Very true.
It's bad enough that the best dungeon song is used only three dungeons, while the worst one is used for eight.

>>6154859
This shit gives me a headache. I know it's not the device's fault because Pokemon GSC is actually listenable.

>>6143187
put minish above ages and I'd agree.

>>6144223
This board is literally "retro games". WTF do you expect? People who only chase the latest trends?

>>6143187
>sorry nostalgiafaggots
Yet you put Stink's Awakening as the best and that game is honest to God fucking trash.

>>6143187
alttp > tloz > ooa > albw > la > oos > st > ph
aol is too different to rank with these.

>>6152248
Not a bad choice. I don't know how anyone can call this music forgettable - it's not the most memorable on the GB, but for the most part, it's melodic, fitting, and even catchy at times.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poo14Yp7zAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi7omXavqao
On a somewhat side note, Nayru's song always got me. Yeah, it's a super short loop, but I always thought it sounded hauntingly beautiful. Maybe I'm crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynIuao60Tkg

I'll admit, though, there were some times where the music was pretty bad.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-4Wd9z-sXM

>>6157113
Whoops I forgot this one for an example of good music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YulbKBbTsPM

>>6143141
What's with younger millennials saying this shit is better than Awakening? Faggots... it isn't. The music's a steep downgrade, the ages and seasons systems make traversal a chore, filled with rng collectible trash with the seeds and rings. Needs both to get the (((real))) ending. It's an okay romhack, but come on.

>>6157124
>the ages and seasons systems make traversal a chore, filled with rng collectible trash
Wow just like link's awakening

>>6157251
??? link's awakening doesnt have stupid rings or gasha nuts

>>6157335
>>6157251
you guys can argue over a bunch of great games and I will just be here a laughing

>>6157124
>traversal's a chore
I like LA better than either of the Ages, but LA's overworld map is horrible to traverse.

>>6143141
>WHAT THE FUCK /vr/ you didn't tell me this game was way better than Link to the Past and Awakening.
Why would you want me to lie to you?

>>6149010
yes we get it you like dogshit
643D was the better Star Fox 1 retread btw

>>6148419
t. Tokay

>>6161623
kek

>>6161623
>get kino tribal island exploration segment
>also the most annoying part of the game before Jabu Jabu's Belly
fuck this

>>6162019
I forgot, was the goron section after jabu?

>>6162051
I think it comes before, I don't remember seeing Jabu during my last playthrough..

>Need one last Essence to complete your quest and save Labrynna.
>Hear about a location from long ago in the past. The Sea of No Return.
>A labyrinth on an island. A longtime blank on your map, it's isolated from the rest of the world. A mysterious force confuses the Maku Tree and blocks your attempts to time travel there, always sending you back to the present.
>No way there except to somehow swim ashore, past all the violent waves and whirpools on the sea.
https://youtu.be/snhK3z6IAKw
>Still, you reach the island. A triumphant theme plays as you fight your way into a maze, full of fierce Lynels and dangerous Darknuts.
>An entrance on the north side of the maze draws you into the darkness below.
https://youtu.be/Ei-apYq0pcA
>A dirge plays as you enter The Ancient Tomb, as if the structure itself was now aware of you intrusion.
>You find yourself in a pyramid, stories of brick and stone dug deep below the surface. Each floor larger than the last as you descend.
>Its catacombs are filled with traps and ghosts, possible remains of the builders. Halfway through, you go sword-against-scythe with a hooded skull-faced spectre before continuing on.
>The final remnant of the unkown, ancient constructors waits for you and guards the final Essence. A floating, stone machine. It uses its megaton fists and arsenal of beams in an attempt to make you the newest resident of the tomb. But you deflect its attacks and strike back with bombs and shots from your seed shooter, leaving it in pieces as you claim your prize of the Essence of Time.
>Returning to the present, you wonder about the fate of the tomb, and realize that it lay in the exact same spot as the Spirt's Grave in Yoll Graveyard. A possible collapse leaving the floors mashed together or it was rebuilt entirely. You will never know for sure.

>>6162128
Forgot picture

>>6143310
>Ages is way more puzzle focused.
It is.
But its not "better", because the puzzles are somewhat weak. Meanwhile Seasons get bigger multi layered dungeons, with a lot of tight platforming.

The actual difference is more mirror sheen level:
Map traversal. Story roadblocks are also less natural and far more NPC script based, where a lot of based around events.
But the biggest issue is far simpler: Time traversal leads to palette swapped areas, instead of unique areas. Meanwhile Seasons has a entire areas where season swap basically add free perceived real estate due how radical the map changes are.
Every single area of Seasons plays like the highland around the Vulcano in ages, but the 4x season gimmick is used to greatly improve perceived play area.

>>6143187
This but fuck Minish Cap

>>6143141
Why is Link holding a big-ass pipe

>>6145915
>it's just not as fulfilling as the "Ages to Seasons" path, since Ages feels like a complete game all by itself, but Seasons is lacking a cohesive narrative by itself, as if it were a prototype or something.

That's why I like doing them in that order too. Veran's slightly more pro-active and it made sense to me to play through to her first appearing as if she's doing her own thing before the real that she's a Ganon henchman, then fighting Onox next (while knowing he's already working for Ganon) who doesn't really do anything in his plot but has a more epic boss battle at the climax right before fighting Twinrova and Ganon himself.

>>6162614
He's a big Mystical Ninja fan.

>>6162316
That's complete bullshit. Seasons barely changes anything when you change the seasons, yet Ages radically changes the stages when you time travel. Also, the puzzles are very challenging and numerous, and not "weak" as you subjectively put it. Seasons is a much shallower game than Ages, in general, and no, its dungeons, while having generally more challenging fights are very generic, save for the Magnet Gloves one. Seasons has better overall use of colors than Ages, though.

Got these on my 3DS, what order are you supposed to beat them in?

>>6162968
See >>6145915 >>6162740

Then do the opposite way, afterwards.