/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6136071
>pretty well
Your image says otherwise.

>>6136079
In your retarded opinion how should that text be translated instead? I bet it's nearly identical so you won't answer the question.

>>6136071
>look! since the machine translation is garbage the original is also garbage!
Absolute brainrot argument

>>6136071
>This literal robot translation is generic! Can you believe they wrote the game like this?

What the fuck is wrong with the people in this board? How do you get through life without walking in front of a car or impaling yourself on something?

>>6136163
>>6136141
He's talking about the writing not the translation. If your reading comprehension is so bad as to not get that, you need to leave this thread and kill yourself right away.

Haruki Murakami it ain't

>>6136079
What’s it supposed to say then?

>>6136181
even human translation fails to capture any of what makes japanese writing so enjoyable, so anyone who genuinely thinks machine translation can give you just as good as the "real thing" is coping pretty hardcore.

>>6136203

>>6136071
cope

>>6136181
the translation is meant to capture the essence of the writing

EOPs are subhuman, especially OP.

>>6136071
Dilate, bro.

Jesus, you EOPs are coping so hard. I bet you're all leftists, cause damn, you sure worship your own weakness and incompetence. (Which is the very essense of leftism.)

>>6136238
It makes sense that a conservacuck would be dumb enough to fall for the Japanese meme. I bet you have a Wii hooked up to a PVM too, with a MAGA and Mario hat sitting on it and some children's action figures too.

>>6136238
>if you're an eop you're a lefty
i'm a lefty and there's no such thing as a conservadrone that could put in the effort required to learn this language, stfu n5-kun

>>6136248
>I bet you have a Wii hooked up to a PVM too, with a MAGA and Mario hat sitting on it and some children's action figures too.

No, I emulate on a cheap laptop. And I don't buy any figures or merchandise like that, they're soulless.

>>6136251
Good luck at N3, bro.

Btw I'm not even American. American conservatives are a different breed of stupid to me. Just saying that coping Amerifat EOPs are likely to be leftist. Again, worship of one's weakness and incompetence.

>>6136203
Learned Japanese in college, primarily just to play Japanese games. This is one of the most painfully weeaboo-delusional posts I've seen lately.
>oh shit dog they have wordplay!
There is nothing inherently special about Japanese prose, there's good and bad, and the good is just on par with the good in other languages, roughly. There are some interesting quirks that are unique to Japanese writing, just as there are interesting quirks in English or Spanish or whatever other language. Your fetishization does not magically improve it.

>destroy the world, the dark spell of law has.
>over this spell, the magician of light and darkness do battle

>>6136141
>If you translate the game properly, it's not about a magician of light battling a magician of darkness, it has deep themes!

>>6136079
this is no different than any stupid japanese game with a totally incoherent plot that was ever translated by a professional team working for a corporation at the time of release

like how is this different than the intro screen to any JRPG ever

>>6136283
>Learned Japanese in college
holy fucking dunning kruger batman
kore wa pen desu lmfao

>>6136238
>worships a foreign non-white culture
>calls others leftists
lmfao

>>6136402
how is anything he said dunning-kruger? He just said japs write good and bad shit like everyone else, that's like a chill and nuanced non-weeb opinion... has nothing to do with calming mastery over something???

>>6136402

>>6136427
Yeah, there's nothing wrong or weird about what he said.

>>6136427
>>6136443
if you """learned japanese""" in college you have a vocab bank of less than 500 words and grammar skills that wont even let you read baby tier manga like yotsubato, so the idea that somebody who """learned japanese""" in college would seriously think they were familiar enough with the language to give a worthwhile opinion on how it reads is absolutely laughable
if the dude sticks around to give me another (you) his post is going to say "b-b-but i finished all of Genki 1 AND 2!!"

>>6136071
>The writing in these games is generic as fuck

You know, the other day I was watching an episode of anime. I know Japanese, but it had English subtitles from the DVD.

It was a lengthy dialogue between two schoolgirls, with maybe only 4-6 words per line. But what struck me was that the English translation felt so boring. They were just very plain, easy-to-understand sentences.

But the Japanese, it was so rich in nuances. The translation, though perfectly accurate, failed to carry over everything that made the Japanese dialogue interesting.

That is what you are missing.

>>6136482
>REEEEE YOU THINK YOU LEARNED "JAPANESE"??? IN COLLEGE??? HAH!
YOU DIDN'T LEARN IT LIKE /I/ LEARNED IT! YOU WILL NEVER COMPREHEND THE NUANCES OF HENTAI VNS LIKE ME, JUST GIVE IT UP. I WOULD LAUGH AT YOU IN PITY IF YOUR ARROGANCE DIDN'T ENRAGE ME SO!

>>6136234
Stop making me picture neo vaginas please.

Can it translate on the fly or does the game have to be paused for every text box?

Anyone who thinks you can judge the writing quality from a machine translation never played a machine translated game in their life. Machine translation is so bad, you're lucky if you can even figure out what the plot is. Judging the original writing through that is impossible.

>>6136913
Nobody care about the so-called writing quality. It's a video game, what do you expect?
Just a basic understanding of what's going on is all we need.

>>6136203
I know this a board for weebs but do you use a Japan shaped dildo to fuck yourself at night

>>6136238
>learned Japanese
>calls other leftists
Here, you dropped your fedora.

>>6136913
I played many JRPGs when I was a child. I’m very familiar with bad translations anon

This thread reminds me of that one autistic discussion over a retarded dialogue in Final Fantasy VI where Siegfried refers to himself as ore-sama and people autistically sperged as to how you can't convey this unique trait of Siegfried into dialogue, which was literally "Siegfried thinks too highly of himself". Let that sink in.

>>6136959
Keikaku means plan.

>>6136763
EOPs will literally make a thread about how good machine translation is and how bad japanese writing is, get blown the fuck out instantly, write an all caps post accompanied by one of the dozens of "lol weebs" images they saved, and then try to tell you that you're the one who's mad not them. Lmao

>>6136951
Im not talking about "woahhh it's such a magical language the secret meanings and concepts are imperceptible in english woahhhh" I'm talking about basic fucking shit loke "japanese has a stupidly high number of dialects and slangy ways of talking that don't carry over into english because there aren't any equivalents." A lot of the flavor of the language comes from stuff like that. When you do try to accomplish this in English, you end up with shit like the modern translations of the Dragon Quest games. In japanese, the characters are all speaking japanese, but they sound distinct from each other. In english, they all sound like retarded ESLs that can barely communicate with you.
In short it's not like these are masterpieces of literature that will change your life, they just have a lot more flavor in the original language.

>>6136181
The writing you're reading IS the AI translation. (You) don't know what it really is.

>>6137231
>retarded ESLs
Fuck off Mitch McConnell.

>>6136238
>you sure worship your own weakness and incompetence. (Which is the very essense of leftism.)

>>6137218
You do sound like a fedora edgelord, though.
>>6137241
No, the writing IS generic as fuck because these are videogames for kids and teens.

>>6137231
First off you really shouldn’t make fun of ESL peeps. They’re smarter than 90% of people who only speak English by default. Second you know what language is actually vastly different than any other language in terms of syntax and has tons of movies, games, music and other media that isn’t translated? Portuguese. Japan has slightly different syntax but very rarely in a way that doesn’t have a sensible translation or can’t be derived from context from a straight translation. Then spergs say stuff about dialect as if American English doesn’t have many dozens of regional dialects that come across in a variety of media but are easily translated and understood. The dialect isn’t that serious. You’re missing out on something fairly minor. And when translators do make an effort to account for it by giving characters Boston, Texas, New York, Floridian or other dialects to show they’re speaking different spergs still bitch. It’s really annoying

>>6137276
I meant to add in that a lot of porteguese moves are dubbed and translated just fine without anyone bitching. Despite it being quite different. Unlike Japanese which in terms of syntax translated perfectly fine.

>>6136959
I mean, just make him refer to himself in the third person constantly. When you do that you basically get the idea that someone is uppity.

>>6137258
I'm just stating facts. It's one of the most time consuming languages for westerners to learn, taking a couple thousand hours to attain fluency. Anyone who takes a couple college classes and puts on airs about how they know shit deserves to be mocked.

>>6136318
10/10

>>6137276
I dunno man Portuguese is essentially the same language as Spanish.
>t. Portuguese
But yeah I agree with you, every language is capable is capable of expressing any nuance known to man only in different ways so translators need to work around that, people who act like some Japanese terms have some untranslatable meaning are out of their minds.

>>6137276
Are there some interesting Portuguese retro games that aren't Monster World reskins?
Learning Portuguese shouldn't be that hard if I already learned Japanese and Latin.
I think each language has its own unique flair and you can't just transfer from one language to another so I try to learn the ones that seem the most interesting to me. Haven't thought about Portuguese yet.

>>6137294
You're right that a couple college classes isn't enough to say you know a language, but who said he took just a couple classes? He didn't even say he just learned from classes, just that he learned in college. Which might also include studying on his own during his time at college.

>>6137485
There kind of isn’t any good games. But it’s worth it to learn if your like movies. Portuguese and French are definitely a top 2 for movie snobs. But most good movies have English dubs/subs.
>>6137432
Portuguese is weird. It’s different than Spanish in terms of syntax in a way that makes is hard. It’s like Cajun versus French if that makes sense?

>>6137276
>Portuguese
Hahahahah. Inb4 that one guy comes in here telling us we should learn Russian for the literature.
3rd worlders are delusional

>>6137546
What are some good Portuguese movies? I can't recall ever seeing one.
I never watch dubs but subs are a necessary evil on the road to mastering a language since they preserve the original audio.

>>6137553
Go check out the Portuguese stuff on Hulu and Netflix. You’re in for quite a treat if you like survival horror or period drama stuff. You may have seen movies originally in Portuguese and never realized it because they matched the dubs up to the lip syncing well

>>6137552
I live in Delaware. I don’t speak Portuguese I’m just making a point that it’s ridiculous to say you need to learn Japanese to play this stuff. It just isn’t that deep or profound and if it was it would’ve been translated long ago. That’s also the case for any good Russian movies/books, French or German media. If it’s good it’s usually translated well or at least adequately. I can’t think of a “must play” untranslated game. Just some weeb shit

Japanese is a high context language, the word 走る for example means: he runs, she runs, they run, we run, it runs, he'll run, she'll run, they'll run, we'll run etc. etc. depending on the context, the context is not textual, no AI translater can make a better guess than any other. In recent years there have been a number of 'groundbreaking' new JP->ENG translators that have had normalfags going wild, but what these are doing are actually not translating at all, but merely outputting sentences that are parsable in English using the Japanese words as guidelines, in terms of translation accuracy they are in fact worse than the older machine translators that spat out semi-accurate but non-parsable translations. These new machine translators are writing complete fiction.

>>6137231
Speaking of Portuguese in my other posts. Compare the behemoth if the Portuguese or American English page of dialects on Wikipedia versus Japanese. They’re fucking behemoths because Brazil and the United States are physically really big. Japan truly only has about 4 dialects without that many major differences. Because it isn’t that big of a country.

>>6137564
There aren't many Japanese translators and companies skipped localizing a lot of games due to economic factors. Fan translators are also extremely limited in their platforms; you can count translations to disc based systems on a hand.
What's wrong with learning Japanese or other languages to begin with? It's a cheap investment to significantly improve your experience. If you're into Portuguese things you have to learn Portuguese to fully appreciate them.

>>6137585
Japan is big, but it's also centralized. Kanto has been dominating the other regions for many years.
Checking out Wikipedia I found this gem:
>Multilingual sign in Japanese, Chinese, Portuguese, and English in Oizumi, Japan.
There's no actual Chinese in the sign, 大泉町立西小学校 災害時避難場所 is simply written without Kana. It clearly uses Shinjitai and not Simplified or Traditional Chinese.
Traditional:大泉市立西小學校 災害時避難場所
Simplified: 大泉市立西小学校 灾害时避难场所

>>6137564
Huh, sounds like they put a lot of love into that stuff. But I think I would rather run it through a machine translator, see the garbled crap it spits back out at me, and say "oh this sucks, people actually like this? Wow lmao"

>>6137582
Then what should the OP text say instead? Still waiting on an answer to this but it appears no one wants to answer because it proves that the machine translation is fine.

>>6137582
I dont care as long as i can play ace combat 3 with subtitles

>>6137817
You can’t expect people to learn 6+ languages just to consume media dude. And a lot of the time no there wasn’t “a lot of love” put into games. And the plot of that game does appear to be very generic. Which is fine because there’s other redeeming aspects to video games.
>>6137630
Japan is tiny compared to Brazil and the Us though, that’s more so what I mean. It’s beautiful but Brazil appears a lot smaller than it is on most maps. And yeah signs like this in culturally diverse areas are always neat, you see stuff like that in certain parts of Canada quite frequently and also in LA, Houston, NOLA and like Seattle. I only speak English, Spanish and French but I think it’s nice to be inclusive of others like this.

>>6136318
fucking kek my sides
based yoda poster

>>6137879
I dont expect people to learn another language, but I do expect them to understand that machine translation isn't a good substitute for human translation, and that trying to pretend otherwise isn't a "weebs btfo" thing, it's just gonna make whoever's saying that look stupid as all hell.
The original point of this thread is machine tl, after all.

>>6138048

the OP is most likely baiting and weebs take it 100% seriously and immediately start with
>"it's actually not the same at all, Japanese is the most complex and untranslatable language there is, which is not a problem for me because I am very smart and you are retarded subhuman EOP, allow me now if you will to go into great detail elaborating on why your google translate is actually not the same as having fluency in a given language - which I know and you don't. Must suck to be a faggot who can't play untranslated shovelware, I couldn't imagine, personally."

it's hilarious but also deeply embarrassing, they need help

>>6138416
t. retarded subhuman EOP

>>6137821
What do you want us to do? Machine translate the garbled English back to Japanese (now garbled too) and then give you a human translation of that?

>>6137859
Ace Combat 3 already has a fan-made translation.

Hold the fuck up...

Do you mean I can use this shit to play my untranslated weeb trash on dreamcast and ps2 emulators? Because I've been dying to understand the shitty manga licensed games.

>>6138940
>Because I've been dying to understand the shitty manga licensed games.
Why won't you die?

>>6138942
Slurp my cum, nigger

This would be useful for puyopuyo 64, it has the controls backwards from normal which is piss annoying. It takes me 5 minutes to change it using trial and error. I might be able to use this to help me make hacks.

>>6136071
that's all fine and dandy, but can I use it with memepi?

>>6136071
It's at best good enough for small things like menu translation which it will still fuck up but good riddance if you want to make it work for translating the story. There's a reason why people complain about translations all the time because reinterpreting anything but the most simplest of statements introduces writer bias into what the translator does which warps the writer's intent and machine translation at worst outright gives you trash translations that are worst than the old NES mistranslated localization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMvvmlV3HXA

>implying translation quality doesn't matter
If people only cared about having the gist of what's going on, why do they get into multiple thread long arguments over which translation of FF4, FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc. is the best? Why do we have long discussions about whether or not Working Designs' localizations were funny, or going too far? Why do we have a thread on /vr/ right now about a patch for Star Ocean Blue Sphere surfacing, only for people to immediately turn their noses up at it for being shitty and low quality?

>>6139086
>why do they get into multiple thread long arguments over which translation of FF4, FF6, Chrono Trigger, etc. is the best?

Because of autistic retards like you.

>>6139105
>if you don't share the same values as me, you are autistic and retarded
I feel like you could articulate why you feel this way a bit better. What about games like Wild Arms 2, which is known for having a translation so bad that you can't figure out what to do without using a guide?

>>6136190
It doesn't matter, it's not like story in video games is incredibly complex. Personally I use the AI translator since I'd rather not spend 3 years to read Japanese at a grade 1 level.

>>6137231
I don't care. I use translation software because it fucks weebs like you up so bad.

>>6139132
>dude i'm eating shit! i'm eating poop right in front of you, i bet you're pissed! are you mad? are you mad that i'm eating poop? i bet you're mad! you wish you were eating poop! i bet you're feeling really stupid for not eating poop right now!
cmon anon your smarter then this

>>6139125
Are you retarded? You might need three months to learn basic Japanese, not three years.

>>6136071
>Wow RetroArch's new AI translator actually works pretty well.
lmao

>>6136402
biggest fag detected in /vr/

unironically kill yourself

>>6136071
>Google translate
>The writing in these games is generic as fuck though
You'd be stupid to think google translate would translate anything correctly

Clyde at legendsoflocalization.com ran FFIV through google translate years ago and then again recently and documented how it's actually gotten ten times worse.

>>6139837
Then what should it say instead?