/vr/ - Retro Games

Shit thread

>>6121867
Neck yourself

Wall jumping sucks but the rest can fuck off

>>6121867
Play zero mission instead

>>6121867
The only major flaws are the slow door transitions and the slow item fanfares. All your complaints are negated by not being a shit player.

>>6121867
Theres a tutorial spot in the game that teaches wall jumping. Its intentional.

>>6121867
Stop talking about collectables and complaining about how you're too inept to wall jump, you modern pussy

>There isn't a counter as to what percentage of the collectables of the area you've completed

You're not likely to 100% the game on your first playthrough so I wouldn't worry about it.

>The wall jumping and space jumping mechanics are very difficult

Keep practicing and you'll never unlearn it. If the Switch Online version has input delays I can understand that being a bit annoying. Just keep at it anon and if it's not for you it's no big deal.

>>6121867
>There's definitely a few modern conveniences that this game is lacking.

Yeah, almost like the game is old.

kys faggot.

>>6121867
Without existing nostalgia for it, you probably aren't going to enjoy if it you've experienced modern, far better takes on the genre. SotN is the only metroidvania that can still hold its own, so I'd recommend shitcanning SM and playing that instead if you aren't having fun.

>>6121890>>6121867
wall jumping is easy, you have to learn how to do it
a % for collectables would ruin the otherwise perfect game, it doth need conveniences

>>6122118
The best game in the genre is the first Metroid, and Super Metroid is much better than SotN, which is better than most newer games in the genre.

>>6122265
>The best game in the genre is the first Metroid
now if anything needed a modern covience it's that one
starting with less than 100 hp blows.
that said it has unique stuff that newer metroids lost, such as seeking out a single beam weapon to use
it's much more arcady in that sense, and it helps in encouraging backtracking and exploration

>>6122265
This is just being contrarian
The first metroid is ok but thats it. Every metroidvania that came after it has been much better.

>>6121867
>The wall jumping and space jumping mechanics are very difficult,
git fucking gud

>>6122126
>wall jumping is easy
Don't spread lies on the internet. I'll give this tough, maybe you're just really good at precise inputs but in comparison to most other timing based mechanics it is incredibly rigid and unforgiving. God help you if you have fat fingers and it registers even a wisp of a diagonal input.

Can't you even beat the game without it? Serious question.

>>6122293
it's fucking easy dude, the game locks you in a room until it's second nature

>>6122296
>locks you in a room until it's second nature
You have Stockholm syndrome

>>6122304
I have capabilities

>>6121867
That would make the game too easy. Hell, even if you do get everything in one play through that just makes the final bosses way too easy. You're just supposed to p lo at the game and explore, you'll have enough items by the end game just doing it that way. Wall jumping is easy though after you get used to it, as soon as the sprite changes then jump. You'll get the timing down and eventually not even need to focus on Samus while doing it.

>>6122306
>I'll give this tough, maybe you're just really good at precise inputs
>I have capabilities
And? Good for you. Apparently reading isn't one of your capabilities as I already said that may be the case.

Its the ONLY split second mechanic in any game I have trouble with and would often only be able to chain 2-3 or so in a row before it fails to trigger.

>>6121867

>>6122265
>The best game in the genre is the first Metroid,
You. I like you.

>>6121867
>There isn't an indicator that you collected a collectable.
Uh...?

>>6122282
Play the Famicom version. It has true RNG that makes health drops far more generous and starting with 30 energy isn't a big deal like it is in the NES version with its fake pre-determined "RNG."

>>6122360
it's not a movie

>>6122360
Try slowing down your inputs. You want it too much.

>>6121867
>Playing this game for the first time on Nintendo Switch Online.
TFW people actually do this

ur right, go back to fortnite lmao

30 replies! Decent haul, OP. You won't go hungry for a while.

>>6122293
Wall jumping IS easy though. The problem is you don't take the time to practice it, just a little bit. It's not something braindead easy sure, but it is fairly easy to do if you're not mashing. The reason I know you're just fucking mashing is because you also think space jumping is hard, too. The timing on that is incredibly lenient.

I'll give you a little leeway if you're using a switch pro controller or a worn out SNES controller. The switch pro controller actually fucks up your inputs because it's very easy to misinput the adjacent cardinal due to a design flaw which makes you return to a regular jump position instead before you can grab the wall before you input your jump. If you have a worn out SNES controller, you get some similar problems or missed inputs. The membrane under the buttons gets worn out up over time and you get mushy buttons.

But I know you're just mashing and it's not these problems because you can't fucking space jump.

>>6122447
I did. What's wrong with that? I really liked the game despite it being very short. From the way I always hear people talk, I was expecting something more like 15-20 hour, but I completed the game in probably under 5 hours.

>>6122491
like it's so easy and monumental that speedrunners frequently use it skip large swathes of content and decrease their timing dramatically

>>6122502
I mean, I wasn't entirely serious with my post but it gets to me that all these years you could've played these games on various emulators for free and gotten a better experience but all of a sudden, nintendo offers an "official" solution that costs money and people are all over it. I get it if you hadn't heard of the game or something, that's fine.

I've spent hours testing different emulators and playing on different systems and platforms. Switch online is not a great experience compared to other things I've tried, in terms of controller options, display options (practically non existent)

>>6122503
You don't even need to be a speedrunner to employ consistent wall jumps though. It's even an intended game mechanic. It just takes a little getting used to which may or may not be hard for someone depending on if they're used to mashing buttons versus timing button presses. It's not something like Mach-Ball or short boosting which are unintended physics exploits and can be difficult to nail down and will require a decent amount of practice time to do consistently.

>>6121867
How are zoomers this bad at games? Are they not self aware of how pathetic their complaints sound?

>>6122540
Games quit being hard a long time ago. Of course you have some exceptions, but people just rage quit if they are given something relatively hard like Castlevania and screech online about how broken it is. And this is adults. My kids wouldnt play castlevania for 2 minutes before going back to roblox or Minecraft.

OP was just baiting though.

>>6122547
>Games quit being hard a long time ago
the fucking rewind on switchonline

>>6121867
Woah, how long have you been able to play SNES games on Switch?

>>6121867
>25 year old game doesn't have features that current games have.
And the point of this thread is?

>>6122717
to farm (you)s

>>6122753
>to farm (you)s
this is just a deflection, they're attempting to justify their shitty tastes in gaming, their preferences shouldn't be validated

>>6122265
This but unironically
SotNiggers need to fuck off, SuperBabbys and Coomermission and fucksion all meed tk eat shit and die.

>>6123046
>/v/ buzzwords.

>>6121867
>wall jumping is difficult
Your screen is shit and the input lag is fucking you.

>>6122118
Sotn is style over substance honestly. It's fun the first time or two, but the level design in SM is so much better its ridiculous.

>>6122293
It's easy. gut gid

>>6123580
>style over substance
That's bullshit, but I can understand where you're coming from since SM has no style whatsoever to speak of.

Super Metroid kind of sucks. Idk why it gets all the hype. Shadow Complex is a far superior Metroidvania

>>6122126
>a % for collectables would ruin the otherwise perfect game
This. Super Metroid isn't a collectathon, and if there had been a % counter, then people would just bitch that they're mad they have to collect everything, even when they don't. The game isn't about getting everything; it's about finding what you can and making do with it on your own. That's part of the whole "alien planet" experience.

>>6122287
>This is just being contrarian
Metroid usurped Super Metroid as "/vr/'s preferred Metroid" a while back when the anti-reddit/casual sentiment was first ramping up. The argument is that Super Metroid is baby mode because it auto-records a map, and NES Metroid is superior because it forces you to either remember or draw your own map.

Basically just the classic opinion of "inconvenience = SOUL"

>>6121867
Definitely don't play the first Metroid then if that bothers you.

>>6124475
Not retro and wrong.

>>6124528
A few faggots don't make up the entirety of /vr/.

>>6121867
>he fell for the Super Metroid is good meme

Fuck off to /v/ niggers.

>>6124475
I think SM beats it (on music and atmosphere if not gameplay), but Shadow Complex was surprisingly good. Definitely recommend it to any anons who are fans of the genre.

>>6122293
Finished my first play through without ever using it

>>6121867
Even my zoomer ass can finish this game with no issue. Git gud.

>no indication you collected a collectable
Yeah there is. Circles on the map indicate a powerup in the vicinity and they become a dot once you've collected it.

>>6124528
>Basically just the classic opinion of "inconvenience = SOUL"
omg why wont you zoomers who don't understand just shut the right fuck up

>>6122293
I don't enjoy the walljumping particularly, and I'm not all that good at it, but it's not hard either.
Stop being a bitch.

>>6123046
Zero Mission's a fun unthreatening game to mindlessly run through, but it's overrated and doesn't hold a candle to its source material

>>6123769
He's right. The level design is lacking and the game just generally feels thrown together. The godly player sprite and soundtrack carry it

>>6125646
These are feminine non-arguments.
>it like, uhm, feels thrown together????
In what way does it feel thrown together? In what way is the level design lacking. Be specific.

>>6125653
who argues about what something feels like, be objective you fucking twats

>>6125653
Thrown together in that it's full of uninteresting corridors, is nearly devoid of interesting environmental puzzles and obstacles and generally gives the sensation that, in comparison to Super Metroid's meticulous design, of slapdash haphazardness. SotN reminds me of MMX4 compared to X or the classic series; in some ways it's impressive to look at but actually playing it is comparatively bland, though SotN is a very good game and far better game than X4

>>6125653
Thrown together in that it's full of uninteresting corridors, is nearly devoid of interesting environmental puzzles and obstacles and generally gives the sensation--in contrast to Super Metroid's meticulous design--of slapdash haphazardness. SotN reminds me of MMX4 compared to X or the classic series; in some ways it's impressive to look at but actually playing it is comparatively bland, though SotN is a very good game and far better game than X4

>>6125653
Thrown together in that it's full of uninteresting corridors, is nearly devoid of interesting environmental puzzles and obstacles and generally gives the sensation--in contrast to Super Metroid's meticulous design--of slapdash haphazardness. SotN reminds me of MMX4 compared to X or the classic series; in some ways it's impressive to look at but actually playing it is comparatively bland, though SotN is a very good game and far better than X4

>>6125743
I disagree, to me it plays like I'm going through some kind of insane labyrinthine castle.

>>6121867
I've played it about 6 or 8 times. I love it but still Zero Mission is an objectively better distillation of the classic sequence of the first Metroid and the enhancements of Super.

I should add I didn't "get" Super until my third playthrough. Also, Maridia kills my momentum every time.

>>6125958
>objectively
Find out what words mean before using them

>>6125973
>Find out what words mean before using them
R and D 1 worked on the Zero (same team as Super). They had ten years to think about how to take what that game did further.

It's a remake of Metroid 1 that shares its plot and trappings, but has the soul of Super. How did I use that word incorrectly?

>>6125982
The word you're looking for is subjectively. George Lucas also had 10 years to think about how to take Star Wars further

>>6121867
If I remember right, one reason you could be failing wall jumping is you need to wait an instant after pressing the direction away from the wall.

>>6121867
>The wall jumping and space jumping mechanics are very difficult, to the point that they make the game less fun.

sole reason I dropped the game. Was never sure whether the mechanic actually sucked so much or whether it was possibly an emulation or controller issue but the wall jumping drove me nuts

>>6125958
>and the enhancements of Super
uhh
of fusion*

>>6126450
Third option: you're an inept mongoloid