/vr/ - Retro Games

It's fucking fine, ffs.

>>6099967
>Thank fuck for Black Mesa: Xen.
I'm glad they turned a fairly short but kind of tedious section of the game into a protracted half-life 2 style puzzle quest where you pick up things and put them down, and plug in the same big plugs as in hl2. Xen really needed that kind of game play for the finale of half-life, boring and pathetic puzzles that basically solve themselves. Oh and lots more fauna.

Black Mesa is easily the worst way to play half-life and the only people who like it are graphics kiddies.

what kind of retard must you be to not like xen

>>6100091
>>6100083
>>6100073
Contrarian faggots
Xen was never fun to play through

>>6100103
I never said it was, retard.

Xen is obnoxious but calling it the worst designed levels ever is a major over exaggeration. It's not good but it's certainly playable. But yeah I usually end when getting to xen too

>>6099967
Retard OP is only capable of flanderizing the problems with Xen because he can't do basic first person platforming. Black Mesa: Xen looks like typical fan mod dogshit anyways.

>>6100083
>>6100207
Cry harder.

>>6100398
>cries about xen
>"cry harder"

>>6099967
Half Life in general hasn't aged well. The whole game is very boring.

>>6099967
is this a variation of the "water temple!!!"-may-may?

Xen sucks but I would rather play it than On A Rail any day. I still to this day can never figure out how to beat it.

>>6100073

This, I feels its almost like a water temple meme at this point. I played xen when the game first came out an didn't mind it. Now a days i find Residue Processing far more annoying part of the game.

>>6100407
You mean Doom.

>>6100628
This. If you take too much damage in Residue Processing you literally cannot beat the game because there are sections where you have to take damage.

the idea of xen was always fine but it wasn't executed as well as it could've been, I still enjoy it for changing things up a bit towards the end of the game

>>6100712
>>6100610
HL1 isn't even hard, I played through it over and over as a kid, I don't recall ever getting stuck in this manner or getting lost

>>6100734
Congratulations?

Conversely, I remember that on my first playthrough, as a kid, I lost almost all my health and ammo over the course of the chapter and it took a bajillion tries to kill the sleeping houndeyes in the kennel room just before Questionable Ethics. The one moment of frustration in the game for me, really, so much so that it's one of the only things I remember from that playthrough.

>>6100734
On a rail fucking sucked. It was very tedious. I always dread it when I replay the game.

>>6099967
I dont specially like it, but looking back was that I was already so invested, I wanted to see how it would end.

>worse HL levels in singleplayer
>Xen(it's boring shit)
>On A Rail(clear path, bring up cart, repeat)
>Residue Processing(yay platforming!)
>Lambda Core(teleporting shit)

>worse levels in HL svencoop:
>Surface Tension(Wait until someone reaches the exit of the missile storage building to trigger next level? Nah, lets ALL try to navigate the laser tripmines!)

>>6099967
>this fucking meme again

It wasn't nearly as bad as you redditors (who probably never even played it you just parrot what you hear online like good little NPCs) always make it out to be.

>>6100407
I think it's also the visuals. I get they were trying to make it mundane, but they didn't have to make it dull. Duke 3D does the mundane, but it's a very fun interpretation of it.

>>6100890
how dare valve didn't design the maps for co-op

>>6100925
>>6100912
>>6100890
>>6100407
>>6099967
Very shitty opinions.

>>6100407
The first Half-Life still holds up (even if you can see a few wrinkles due to age). The second Half-Life however, which is still my favourite game of all time, has aged like milk.

Xen is the ultimate pleb filter.

>>6101089
sure thing gabe

>>6100912
I love the original halflife, it's a great game, a lot of fun to revisit.
Xen makes me want to uninstall it.

>>6101154
Even Gabe said he's embarrassed>>6101110
by 'certain decisions made' with the half-life franchise.

>>6102336
yeah I'd be embarrassed by hl2 and the episodes too

>>6099967
This shit is broken on Xash3D. If I fuck up a jump on Xen and reload a save, it just gives me a black screen and I can't see anything. And if I manage to do clear the level without dying, it'll just give me the black screen when it loads Gonarch's Lair.

>>6099967
Somewhat ironically I think the original design of Xen would play much better with the improved long jump controls of Black Mesa.

>>6101004
Yeah, that was my entire point. Blaming the devs for a feature never intended for the game. Yep.

>>6101145
b+rp

Why are people pissing themselves about Xen so much? It wasn't that hard. I'm a zoomer and Xen was my favorite part of the game for the atmosphere alone.

>>6103017
>Muh shitty perspective for platforming
Half-Life has a requirement for spatial awareness that many other games abstract away. This is admittedly difficult to get a grasp of, but the jumping segments are over within a few minutes. I don't understand how they can give anyone PTSD.

Xen wasn't very good, but I don't get how people act like it single-handedly drags the whole game down. I wouldn't even call it the lowest point of the game, I'd give that title to Residue Processing.

>>6104590
People fall down into the void and think it's the game's fault.

>>6102434
what are the new longjump controls, i can never get it to work even though i'm good at it in the original

>>6100083
>Oh and lots more fauna.
they ruin the lovecraftian horror element with all the wild life, it's a widely different experience

>>6101110
>The second Half-Life however, which is still my favourite game of all time, has aged like milk.
what in the fu
kys

>>6100687
DOOM aged like fine wine.

>>6106640
He’s right though. HL2 was never a good game. It was a tech demo that was there to show off then-cutting edge facial animation and physics.

I mean, remove the gimmicks from HL2 and what are you left with? Worse level design and AI than the original.

>>6106660
Delusional doombaby.

>>6106640
The gunplay in HL2 was ruined to show off all the physics shit that the Source engine was capable of. The only good guns in 2 were the shotgun, magnum, and crossbow.

>>6106663
This. The focus of the game are the NPC and obkect interactions which is boring as fuck. When you get to actual singleplayer gameplay the game has little to offer in terms of challenge, the combine and antlions are a fucking joke.

>>6106784

You ever play hl2 with the mmod on it? It allows hl2 to actually feel a lot beefier and the soliders are kinda tanky like the hecu are in HL1 too in it.

>>6106783
Nah man he's right, DOOM is still fucking great. Granted, best played using GZDOOM with Mouse support.

>>6104590
it just grinds a really great game to a halt.

>>6106873
As a guy that got totally wrecked in HL1 by the later combat sections and never even got to Xen HL2 is easy. Even I beat it.

>>6108168
>best played using GZDOOM with Mouse support.
As if the vanilla game didn't have it, unless you meant full mouselooking in this case.

>>6108168
>>6108195
Back to the doom general.

>>6099967
I never understood why some people hated it so much. I guess it's a little underdeveloped but I never felt it was particularly tedious.

>>6100207
I never understood why people complain about first person platforming either, it always came naturally to me.

>>6100407
>>6100687
>>6106783
>>6108168
>>6108567
Kill yourselves immediately.

>>6101110
I think HL2 is ok, it has some charm and atmosphere, but it's definitely not as good as the first one.

>>6104532
>This is admittedly difficult to get a grasp of
Is it really? I got a pretty rock solid grasp of that back when I was like 9 or something, and that's back when I otherwise fucking sucked at games and played with cheats.

>>6108168
That's an incredibly subjective statement.

I remember enjoying the Xen levels when I was around 6, what the fuck is wrong with people.

>>6109521
My brother thinks its the best part of the game. I don't strictly agree with that, but I think they're fine.

I used to think Xen was fine since it was unique to the rest of the game with On A Rail and Residue Processing sticking out as the worst chapters. The platforming isn't really annoying except for the side chambers that the Nihilanth sends you to. Setting-wise though, it feels very barebones since I've played Black Mesa. The environment is empty and there aren't any cool scripted sequences. I know there are 20 years between the 2 games but the earth segments in HL had fleshed out environments and scripted sequences. I know they rushed Xen and it shows. Black Mesa had some cool ideas for Interloper like a Vortiguant village, scenes of Controllers and Grunts oppressing Vortiguants and an alien lab studying stuff taken from earth. It would've been cool to see things like this considering the aliens there are as intelligent as humans

>>6100083
>you pick up things and put them down

So it's a lunk simulator?

>>6102435
>Xen(it's boring shit)
what point are you trying to make

>>6099967
I've never understood the hate. Sure, Black mesa is better, but Xen is pretty short and perfectly ok.

>>6103017
>Xen was my favorite part of the game for the atmosphere alone.
you and me must be the only ones who like it
Xen is just an exotic version of the offices imo

>>6108172
the only part that really grinds the game to a halt is on a rail imo

>>6108168
>with Mouse support.
Wots all dis den