/vr/ - Retro Games

I, too, also watched Civvie's video fellow Boomer.

>>6089372
Yes, that is what got me interested and why I am asking for more opinions.

>>6089381

It's a fucking DOS game, I can understand people asking for opinions before buying a $60 game or downloading a 100GB pirate repack of some modern bloat game, but this was a game sold on floppies in the mid 90's, you can easily play it and make your own opinions.
It's currently like $5 on steam/gog, if you don't want to pay for it, then with minimal google skills you can easily find the full game and run it in DOSbox or a source port, if you have a problem with piracy, then the shareware version is still out there with a whole gameplay episode to play through (several hours!).
You really have no excuse to try a retro game and a thread full of random people saying "yes"/"no" to you wont actually let you know if you like it. Also please don't give me the "my time is really valuable!" excuse, you're on 4channel, you have plenty of free time.

>>6089698
Fucking this. It's ridiculous that people would rather ask strangers on the internet if a game is good instead of just finding out for themselves, especially if it's a game that is neither hard to find nor hard to run.

>>6089363
>heard mostly bad stuff
What retards are you talking to? Fuck those people. RotT is a goddamn classic. Hell I even liked the 2016 one. More motherfucking RotT.

>>6089363
I played the fuck out of the shareware version back in '95 or '96. Highly recommended if you like Quake or Duke Nukem 3D.

>>6089363
ROTT has one of the best tracks in all of /vr/ so there's at the very least that

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX_Kb0cDN98

>>6089808
>implying the best song isn't this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1ZOafpi5Eg

The people who told you bad stuff were telling the truth. I don't even think the people who made this game genuinely thought it was any good. They published it in a desperate attempt to recoup development costs for a failed project built on an outdated id technology.

>>6089363
>heard mostly bad stuff about this one
Pussy

>>6089858
Kinda this, but it doesn't mean it doesn't have redeeming qualities. It's pretty self aware and does some playful things with the augmented Wolf3d engine
>ludicrous gibs mode
>Excalibat
>God Mode / Dog Mode
>trampoline arenas
>hazards
>interesting launchers

why in the fuck isnt there a single good source port for this game???

>>6089698
>>6089713
Yes, quite frankly it's ridiculous that someone should attempt to start a conversation about a retro video game on a retro video games discussion board. What was he thinking?

>>6089363
It is actually pretty good and underrated desu

>le funny hat guy video told me about this game

e-celebfags are fucking cancer.

>>6089363
>but always heard mostly bad stuff about this one.
Literally what? One of the best FPS games of its era

When I was a kid I thought it sucked.. The floating step things were awful.. Blake Stone is what you want for underrated shooter

>>6089381
look for more youtube videos that show footage and decide if you like what you see
if you think your preferred eceleb has similar taste to you, see if he/they have made a statement on said game

>>6089964
wait for ecwolf :^)

>>6089363
Used to play this as a kid.

Overall, it's a fun game. The gibs are some of the best in video game history. The weapons are pretty decent, especially the multitude of rocket launcher variants. The music is one of the most underrated soundtracks in the genre. And the humor and general "wackiness" are products of a time when developers were more willing to put crazy shit in their games, and the game is better off for it.

The only thing wrong with the game is that the level design is hit or miss, and when it misses, it misses pretty hard. A few of the levels are outright BAD, but there's also plenty of decent to good levels.

If you don't mind the occasional crappy level, then it's definitely worth playing. Personally I would recommend DOSBox instead of a port.

>>6089363
Used to play this as a kid.

Overall, it's a fun game. The gibs are some of the best in video game history. The weapons are pretty decent, especially the multitude of rocket launcher variants. The music is one of the most underrated soundtracks in the genre. And the humor and general "wackiness" are products of a time when developers were more willing to put crazy shit in their games, and the game is better off for it.

The only thing wrong with the game is that the level design is hit or miss, and when it misses, it misses pretty hard. A few of the levels are outright BAD, but there's also plenty of decent to good levels.

If you don't mind the occasional crappy level, then it's definitely worth playing. Personally I would recommend DOSBox instead of a source port.

>>6089808
Kinda reminds me of something from Sega. Its like the composer was born in the wrong country lol

>>6089808
>>6091210
Like someone took something out of a 90's arcade shmup/beat-em-up and put it in a FPS.

its not really good compared to other DOS FPS. Its more of a novelty. The level design is awful and all the weapons and mechanics are broken

>>6089363
Yes, I think it's very fun. It's essentially your typical side scrolling shoot em up coin-op arcade game, but played from a first person perspective, a mutant between the FPS and the Shmup. The ludicrous tone of the game feels a lot like Mortal Kombat. When Doom moved away from most arcade elements, Rise Of The Triad went the other way and just absolutely reveled in it, and just decided to be as ridiculous as fucking possible.

There's a few places where it drags a little, but I never felt like it was enough to make the game a dismal experience.

>>6089714
This, fuck those people.

>>6089858
>>6089896
Fags.

>>6091231
That's kinda the game.

>>6091210
He did music for Duke Nukem 3D and Shadow Warrior as well. Also played one of the monks in Rise Of The Triad.

>>6090982
I've been hearing that for years.

>>6089964
Because it's underrated and neglected.
Kaiser (who did Doom64EX, and is actually doing the coming official rereleases of Doom 64), was working on a better port, last I saw. Something along the lines of "These ports all suck, I can do better."

>>6090242
>a worse clone of Wolf3D is better than a game that actually has some enemy and weapon variety, and tries everything it can think of for the engine it's working with, making levels feel a million times less flat and mazelike

>>6089363
I just beat it this year and no. The levels just end up being too huge and repetitive. Although I admit the final two boss levels were enjoyable.

Only worth it for true 30 y.o. boomers.

>>6089363
I had a blast with it back in the day, but yeah, certain aspects definitely didn't age too well. Still a ton of fun, though.

>>6090242
>Almost 2020
>recommending Blake Stone

Jesus titty-fucking Christ. This is not the future I was promised.

I bet you think the best Build game is Extreme Paintbrawl.

>>6092037
I'm 27 and I first played it last year, and I had a very good time. I don't get all these people (zoomers?) in this thread saying it's bad.

>>6089808
this

>>6089363
It's a fucking classic but yeah the last episode kinda blows, there is also the Return of the Triad doom wad which was rad and the remake which ran like crap because the devs had no idea what they were doing but had a lot of heart and they went on to make Dusk and other good FPSs.

Goin Down The Fast Way>At Doom's Gate

>>6089698
>muh money
Time is a much more valuable resource than money. I'd much rather spend two seconds asking if a game is good here than waste time downloading, installing, troubleshooting, playing, and realizing it's shit. You can make money back you can NOT take back the precious time you have left on this earth before it runs out and trust me kid it's running out fast.

>>6092993
>Goin Down The Fast Way>At Doom's Gate
As an enormous fucking Doomfag, I have to concede this.
I didn't think Ep4 was that bad though.

It's the kind of shit you would find packed in a cereal box. Ignore the contrarian retards pretending they're "old", the game's not half as good as any other popular retro fps and the soundtrack isn't a good enough reason to suffer the ugly repetitive levels.

>>6093139
Ironically a very contrarian post.

>>6093139
I got RCT1 in a cereal box you fuck.

>>6093139
ARE YOU TALKING SHIT ABOUT CHEX QUEST YOU LITTLE NIGGER?

>>6089363
It's good but in short bursts like Wolf 3D.

>>6093198
I think it's a lot better than Wolf3D.

>>6093245
Oh don't get me wrong I'm not trying to say one is better than the other. Rather while I enjoy both games I found them way more enjoyable in short one hour sessions as opposed to trying to finish the game entirely in a day or two.

>>6093460
That's kinda what I did, a level or two a day.

ROTT levels are absolute trash
Music and weapons are allright

Doom zoomers filtered.

>>6093479
>>6093502

>>6089363
It sure is something I'll say that.

What's the best way to play this on my sci fi 1440 monitor?

I played the shareware version when I was a kid, but it couldn't hold a candle to Doom so I didn't play it that much. The music is really going good though.

>>6089698
All that text and you could have been doing something productive with your time instead of getting mad.

I used to be put off by the 90 degree walls but the game throws enough at you to keep it interesting.

>>6096395
It really does the most that it can with 90 degree walls and no real height variation.

>>6089363
hey hey people youtube cancer here

>>6089363
whoa, the chick's pussy and titties are almost showing on the cover, it must be a really good game where do i buy?

>>6096432
It really does push the Wolf3d engine to it's limits, the problem being it came out after Doom and Heretic, I don't know why Apogee didn't license the Doom engine but I guess it's good they didn't because they probably would have passed on the Build engine if they did.

>>6096491
Rise Of The Triad was basically being developed right at the same time as Doom was, it was the project Tom Hall undertook after he got booted from iD in the middle of Doom's development, and then went to work at Apogee (who was iD's publisher at the time).
It was even going to be Wolfenstein 3D : 2 at first, before iD changed their minds.
Tom would even recycle a lot of his unused conceptual ideas he wanted to do for Doom, like the multiple characters with different stats and so on. If you've ever read Tom Hall's "Doom Bible" (his design document), you'll see a bunch of names and ideas which ended up in Rise Of The Triad.

Rise Of The Triad did come after Doom, but not by a huge amount of time, the shareware came out just about a year after Doom, in late 1994, and the full game in very early 1995, Doom 2 coming in late 1995. They could have tried to license the engine for Doom, and they had considered using Ken Silverman's Build Engine, but they had already done so much development by the time they had those opportunities, and had already changed design directions before, that it would just delay the game further.

>>6096526
I guess it good they just stuck to Wolf3d engine instead of falling into Apogee/3d realms trap of constantly switching to new engines.

>>6096540
I was gonna say that doesn't happen until later, with Prey and Duke Nukem Forever, but Shadow Warrior actually spent like, 6 or 7 years in development and changed engines and design directions numerous times.

>>6089363
Amazing game.
Much better than Doom.

Weapons, enemies, music, maps, gore everything

>>6091038

>infinite ammo cheats

>>6089849
Comments make me puke
>>6089808
Most basic bitch songpick but great
Anyway. Havana Smooth, I Choose The Stairs, Chant, Oww... all better.
CCCool has a fantastic piano solo and...

https://youtu.be/T-keWEvlQsc

>>6096436
based

>>6098932
It's an excellent game, but it lacks Doom's variety in levels and enemy types.

played this after Doom
went back to Doom

>>6091491
>Fags.
ROTT is fucking amazing at being self aware and poking fun at itself, that's why I provided a list of things I like about it. The game is superior in abstruse violence and crude humor, as well as its trampoline arenas. I'm not gonna lie to you though and say it's the best 90s FPS ever, there's just too much competition.

I've literally never heard anyone shit talk this game. If anything it's slightly overrated.

>>6099071
It isn't the best, but it's goddamn fun to play.

>>6089363
It's really good and balls to the wall crazy, but you have to think about the time it was released in. It was a game made with the wolf 3D engine, released after Doom 2. So of course a lot of people felt it was underwhelming. But in retrospect it was an amazing game worth playing through over and over, despite its technical shortcomings.

>>6090898
Or you could just avoid trying to give advice for games you've never touched.

>>6089381
Civvie wouldn’t like you coming to /vr/, anon.

>>6089698

Pretty okay but can't hold a candle to any of the classics like Doom, Duke 3D, or even Shadow Warrior.
The music is great and the levels are alright but the game design (infinite ammo bullet weapons, only one explosive weapon slot, most enemies in first 2 episodes are very similar hitscanners) is just fundamentally flawed and overly repetitive.

>>6099171
>if you don't watch my eceleb, you've never played this rare and obscure game
buddy, it's rise of the triad, not some untranslated chinese visual novel

no, civvie lied to yo-
>see's >>6089372
damn, beat me to it

>>6092235
it's tekwar

civvie is the real fucking cancer mouse, because he keeps bringing in these dorks

>>6094738
Do you break every time someone doesn't do exactly the thing you want them to do?

>>6099705
>he seethes over /vr/
>all his zoomer fans race over here
why

>>6099742
>>>he seethes over /vr/
I dun git it?

>>6099705
>OP comes asking about game
>people immediately lose their shit because ecelebs (which aren't mentioned in the OP post)
>ecelebs they hate, but still keep tabs on what they do, so they can make sure to act smug and dismiss discussion of a game
Probably the least useful posters on this board.

THEY'LL BURY YOU IN A LUNCHBOX

>>6100098
YOUR TOAST

>>6099773
in his shadow warrior videos
someone on /vr/ told him max difficulty requires some memorization and he got upset

>>6100686
Don't try and chip away at our statue of civvie 11. Guess you're one of those jealous 'Ross's game dungeon' types who's mad jelly of civvie 11. MAD

>>6100696
your shitpost-fu is quite strong

>>6089808
>>6098947
damn the music is so great

>>6092995
Why should we waste our precious time answering the question?

>>6100696
>one of those jealous 'Ross's game dungeon' types who's mad jelly of civvie 11
Why would someone who watches ross be mad about civvie?

>>6101682
C'mon, don't take such a blatant shitpost at face value.

>>6101329
You're wasting your precious time on this thread.

>>6101228
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6erC93RvZeI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzu8NoVCdbQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xeyCgAe66k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG9JQjI0_tM

I still get a giddy feeling when I play a new .wad and I hear a ROTT track or two in there.

Interview with composer Lee Jackson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjn_tjDmx_g

>>6089363
I never liked it, not as a child, not now as a manchild. It looks bad in an amateurish way, to me it somehow looks worse than Wolfenstein 3d despite objectively having more advanced graphics. It feels like a random mishmash of whatever the designers felt like throwing in that day, and the enemies are really boring.

>>6089698
Yes, let's not discuss things in this online discussion place.

>>6089363
Good when you're a kid and have all cheats enabled.

>>6102157
Agreed, it's also pretty good when you delete the game from your hard drive.

>>6102157
>>6102454

>>6102157
>>6102454
seems they're letting anyone here these days

>>6102012
i liked the one with bobby prince, he seemed like the nicest guy ever

>>6102858
Yeah, he even sued Randy Pitchford.

>>6103234
based

>>6103234
Fuck yeah I like him even more now

>>6103234
our guy

IIRC, Bobby Prince didn't have the same contract for his work as Lee Jackson did, the agreement between him and 3DRealms was that they would use his music in Duke Nukem 3D, and they would negotiate a new contract if they wanted to use his compositions again, even for ports and rereleases, as I get.

With Gearbox owning Duke Nukem 3D, they made that 20th Anniversary Edition, and forgot or ignored negotiating with Bobby Prince, just using his music anyway. Bobby tried contacting Gearbox multiple times, even Randy Pitchford specifically, but they ignored him until he lost his patience with them and finally filed a suit against Pitchford.

I believe he was also suing Valve, as they were selling 20th Anniversary Edition and didn't respond to his contact either.
This was back in October, haven't heard much of it since, Gearbox are involved in multiple lawsuits BTW.

>>6105101
i hope he wins

>gun gets taken away

>build SDLROTT
>it has a plethora of issues that will never ever get fixed
>midis are muffled as shit, they don't loop
>nothing is scaled properly
really makes me wish i was a C programmer

>>6106337
>"Gimme that"
>BOOM

>>6106384
ROTTex soon, friend.

>>6099206
I loath the fact I know who some random faggot google-tuber is just by faggots shitposting his faggot videos here. Anyway, Rise of the Triad ain't bad. It's an example of pushing an outdated engine to its limits and has really nice music.
https://youtu.be/dj95XA6d3n0

I love that the game just gives you so much explosive ordnance and also insulate you decently from splash damage, to encourage you to play really fast and loose with these weapons.