/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6079145
No 240p option, PS2 is superior for playing PSX games.

>>6079145
No but it’s not bad. The PS Classic is the best/comfiest way.

>>6079148
This, also you can use your old memory cards without an overpriced adapter

>>6079148
The ps2 has some of the worst video quality out of a console since post nes

>>6079159
PSX games upscaled through a PS3 look worse, even over HDMI.

>>6079163
No they dont they look fucking gorgeous its amazing how well they clean up and how much detail is added especially ps2

>>6079145
while it doesn't shit the bed, yeah. I'd rather just use a PSIO myself.

>>6079150
Enjoy your low framerates. 3D games are almost unplayable.

>>6079170
They look like shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD7gSeA-75M

>>6079193
Depending on the game smoothing can make it look like shit also hes useing component in 720p instead of hdmi 1080p

>>6079186
I don't understand why the PS Classic emulation is so bad even when it's hacked.

>>6079234
because those mini boards can't do 3d emulation properly, let alone the budget ones Sony settled for.

>>6079145
I got a couple dead CECHA boards. honestly it's such a fucking chore fixing them you might as well just stick to a PS1.

>>6079238
Yeah that's understandable. I hope one day a raspberry pi equivalent will be good enough for 5th gen games.

>>6079193
that's you being a fuck with the filters

>>6079248
Better wait 10 years then.

PS2 via component to a CRT. It's great, I have a very very hard time imagining that it would look better on a flat panel. Even then, if resolution is your goal you can get it a little higher than 1080p with an ossc.

Are there really that many people who like smoothing for PSX stuff? Like, if I wanted shit to look like an N64 game, I would probably track down some N64 games to play. It's no better than one of those garish 2xSAI type filters being applied to a 2D game

>>6079313
I don't know about PS1, but PS2 games look better with Scart rather than Component.

The most authentic way to play PS1 games is on a PS1, probably a 7502 with the good dithering.

The best way to play PS1 games is on Mednafen/Beetle.

Everything in between is just some ass compromise.

>>6079340
only the first batch of 100xs have the bad dithering. it was fixed by the time the 500x hit the market.
750x uses cheaper encoders, too. they might look better on modern LCDs, though. sharper. but imo it looks more compressed.

>>6079346
Now that's the kind of discussion we should be having. I was just reading that you can use game shark codes to take out dithering completely

>>6079350
you can but it'll inevitably lead to banding. up to your tastes, really.

>>6079339

OK man thanks for letting me know, I'll definitely open up my TV to add a SCART port to it and get a SCART cable now so that I can go from "Really nice" to "Also really nice with very minor differences in color"

>>6079354
Can't OSSC put filters in-line? Or is it just limited to "scanline" blanking?

>>6079350
There's an app to patch your ISO's, too.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1CT-8mWmguE5cBHQmBiGi4B6yP0ckgEUK

Is dithering a problem on a crt?

No one in here seems to be aware that PS1 games on PS3 display with an incorrect aspect ratio.

>>6079145
>1080p upscaleing
the upscaler is dogshit, you're best off leaving it at 480p and letting your TV do the scaling

>>6079170
The PS2 stuff looks good because of the smoothing option, not the scaling

>>6079205
>720p instead of hdmi 1080p
no shit, 720p is a (near. fucking 786p) 3x integer scale of 240p. why would you use 1080p which it wont cleanly scale to?

>>6079145
>a smoothing option

God no. This introduces horrific lag and absolutely must be turned off to save your sanity. It's terrible.

>>6079339
>>6079364

>>6079403
You can patch any game shark code into an iso though right

>>6079417
Well, if you want to get super anal about it different dithering will look different on different types of CRTs at different TVLs. It's a very slight difference that the vast majority of people don't even notice, the people who DO notice it usually just say "xxxx revision has the highest quality dithering" but >>6079346 took it to a still HIGHER level of making it about our personal tastes.

Remember /vr/ has become about competing to see who's head is the farthest up our own ass when it comes to HOW we play retro games so why not just take it to ridiculous levels?

>>6079145
>smoothing option

>>6079145
>upscaleing a smoothing

I tried Final Fantasy IV via Final Fantasy Chronicles on the PS3, it was a total glitchfest, had to switch to the PS2 for it.

>>6079241
>CECHA
>honestly it's such a fucking chore fixing them you might as well just stick to a PS1.
Steps to fix:
1. open console
2. replace nec/tokin-caps
3. close console
wow.

>>6079241

>>6080229
>>6080232
also reball the rsx and cell. I wouldn't trust a fat with just the caps replaced. but even then,
>open PS1
>solder less than 10 wires
>close PS1
wow

>>6079163
If you disable the PS3’s upscaling you get perfect 2x nearest neighbor of the original screen image at 480p

>>6079818
But SCART actually looks better than RGB. Why would you be against it?

>>6080325
better. than rgb.

cool. god, i fucking hate this place.

>>6080325
SCART is a type of connector, like RCA (red, yellow, white cables). RGB is a signal

>>6080326
>>6080330
I meant to say better than component, not RGB.
SCART > component so I don't understand the SCART hate.

>>6080331
Isn't the difference in quality between RGB and YPbPr pretty much microscopic? There's no point to switch to SCART if you have access to component and vice versa.

>>6080279
Noooo you need serious moding to keep one of these ps3s from over heating stuff like water cooling it

>>6080409
not if you reball/"recap" it.

>>6080429
No because of the heat something else will break you'd have to reball every single thing in the system water cooling or if i remember right theres some finnish guy who figured it out you need to cut part of the heatsink or something

>>6080436
he's german. and no, it's not necessary. unless you live in the sun the heat won't be able to crack the solder in the smaller components.
you can ask NSC himself.

>>6080372
No, there's a big difference. Especially in color

>>6080525
>Comparing ps1 scart to PS2 component
Apples to oranges

>>6080525
Fucking lol - no confirmation bias going on in that comparison nosiree

>>6080525
Both look like dogshit. You should not be able to see the dithering mask like that.

>>6080530
>>6080531
>>6080532
Triggered people who just found out the setup they spent all their money on is objectively worse than a SCART setup they should have gone with.
I'd be seething too if I was that stupid.
If any of you idiots have proof to post that Component is close to identical to SCART go ahead. The burden of proof is on you now.

>>6079145
No.
>high failure rate
>blurry washed out picture
>input lag
>emulation errors
I used to have the PS1&2 backwards compatible 60gb model, speaking from personal experience.
>cut loading times
it hasn’t there is no noticeable difference

Lol I play ps1 games on composite and PS2 on component on a crt. As it was meant to be played.

>>6080543
>that post-purchase rationalization
Oof.
>>6080548
Based.

>>6080545
>emulation errors
Good on you, anon. Most people have no idea that it's inaccurate, shit-tier emulation. Mednafen/Beetle passes 84% of PS1 accuracy tests. The PS3 passes 55%.

>>6079148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuYonZaiV8k

What I want to know is, how does this motherfucker look playing PS1 and PS2 on a PVM/BVM using SCART

Its compatible, but nobody tries it.

>>6080543
Oh yeah, I spent all my money on a PS2 with component cables because I only had thirty-five bucks. Guess I'll kill myself now.

i play psx games in my ps3 via vga to a pc crt and looks incredible

>>6080578
With SCART It looks better than the PS2 but worse than the PS1 with SCART.
>>6080586
LOL!!! So funny!

>>6080578
I doubt it's worth doing because no 240p

>>6080595
In an ideal world you need to use a different rgb scart cable for ps1 and ps2 as the design is slightly different. The ps1 cables are supposed to contain a capacitor whilst the ps2 does not. Otherwise the colour/brightness levels will be off. Almost all the cables listed on ebay state compatible with ps1/ps2/ps3 but don't mention the capacitor. Makes you wonder what most of them are spec'd for.

>>6079145
isnt it still emulation, just on a weakass pc

>>6079340

How can only one person have said this? Mednafen is the best way to play ps1 nowadays. There really is nothing that comes close. The "authentic" way is a totally different thing from the best way.

>>6080578
Why not just get a PS2? PS2 even plays PS1 games at 240p.

>SCART
Euros, please fuck off.