/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6055415
Your English has gotten pretty good, Shigeru.

You're right, it was never good because it was always fucking great.

>>6055415
I disagree, it still holds up today.

>>6055415
Your English has improved, Miyamoto-san.

>>6055415
just played it for the first time recently and was blown away. the graphics and setpieces are gorgeous, except for a few weird looking models. the music is also perfect. so no, fuck off.

Why do you guys get off on hating one of the best games of all time? I've never understood this.

>>6055415
Nah it's fine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjRw9X2Hxro

>>6055456
I did forget to mention the music, which I agree is amazing but there are some shit-tier level designs and the variety of enemies is trash. Plus hope you enjoy beating the same bosses again because that's what you're gonna have.

>>6055467
>3-D Adventure
wut

The sequels were the real heart of the series, though the first one is still really good. Possibly the only game I avoid bonus levels (animal tokens)

>>6055482
i'll give you that, there were some really shitty levels, with ones taking multiple tries to beat. but even the best platformers have some bad moments. the bosses were fine, nothing too crazy, but they did they job. dkc2 has more interesting fights though. however, to say the game was never good, is false. the characters, the atmosphere, the controls help add to the world-building and really make this game what it is.

>>6055415
fuck off zoomer

>>6055415
It's hop and bop mediocrity. Sure, it's better than many other Snes platformers, but the Snes had hundreds of bad platformers.

>>6055462
because we’re /v//r/ now

>>6055487
>up down
>left right
>time
That's three dimensions

Great game gonna play it now

>>6055450
t. Steven L. Kent
Miyamoto likes DKC.

>>6055450
kek, i remember that rumor where he shat on DKC and put that towards Super Mario World 2, which is in fact superior.

t. Who here likes dick in the mouth.

Do 25 years have to pass before we can start complaining about a video game that's clearly a classic?

>>6055750
>shat on DKC
Right in front of the head of Rare, too, if Kent is accurate

>>6055731
>>6055750
In the early 2000s the Donkey Kong Extended Universe fandom was convinced Miyamoto was seethingly jealous of Rare upstaging the Mario series in 2D, 3D and Karting so he kneecapped Dinosaur Planet

>>6055826
>if Kent is accurate
That's the detail.
Nobody from Rare ever hinted that Miyamoto ever said anything remotely close to that, and Miyamoto himself denied the rumor.
It was just a made up novelization thing, Kent probably heard that Yoshi's Island initially was planned to have prerendered graphics and then changed to standard 2D, and decided to write a small fiction blurb between Stamper and Miyamoto to add some spice to his book, but it never happened.

>>6055467
it would be a good meme if it only played the part until :23 and looped it

The third one was unironically the best and most refined one. Second one appealed more to the gut and the heart. DKC2 is Californication and DKC3 is By The Way. Tried to play the first one after I finished the 2nd and third one and it just didn't appeal to me.

>>6055831
Is there any indication he did that sort of thing? I haven't read the book outside that snippet

>>6056000
t. Miyamoto farts on this game.

>>6056009
Not really, Kent is the only source.

I've always thought the complete opposite. That its good despite the shitty graphics.

>>6056525
Oh whoops, I meant is there any indication
>decided to write a small fiction blurb between Stamper and Miyamoto to add some spice to his book
Was something he might do in general

>>6056550
DKC has great gameplay/design and great graphics.
They look bad if you stretch the resolution, though. Must be played on an SD screen.
As for the gameplay, yeah. Rare managed to do one of the best, if not the best, western platfromers.
The controls are exceptionally smooth and responsive, and the level design is linear and tight, something unusual for western platformers that were mostly "where the fuck do I go" types.

>>6055415
Now that the dust has settled, I'd say this underrated hidden gem has aged well due to its retro feel. I'd call it the Dark Souls of scotformers.

Hah this is hilarious this is the second time ive been here in the past two months, before that it had been years. I posted the exact same thing and thought I was being clever. Turns out other people hate this gameplay-less tech demo as well.

>>6056561
>DKC has great gameplay/design
hey buddy, you just roll in from stupid town?

>>6056631
nice argument!

OP is samefagging.

It would be one of my favorite snes titles if the railroad levels wouldn't be so difficult.
I still love the soundtrack and visuals though,

>>6056641
>nice argument
no need:

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Point_refuted_a_thousand_times

>>6056653
>RationalWiki
Is this some Big bang theory parody site?

>>6056669
let me guess, you don't understand the jokes in rick and morty.

>>6055750
>which is in fact superior
(not true, by the way)

>>6056631
Compare DKC to any of the earlier Mario games. DKC has a great flow to it, feels much faster and controls feel way better. Mario controls feel like you are always in some ice level and there is none of the flow. Plus, DKC music is great and among the best in SNES games.

>>6055415
As a 2D Mario fan for all my life, I can guarantee the DKC series took it's gameplay further. The sheer speed of the character goes perfectly with the awesome level design, you can slowly stroll through the stages finding things out or you can find shortcuts and ways to blast through series of enemies and obstacles to finish stages in a minute.
That with the awesome music and graphics makes it the real Mario successor. Git gud scrub.

>>6056867
>>6056875
It's not about DKC being "better" than Mario, that's highly debatable.
The success of DKC is that it's likely the best western-made platformer, ever.
Rare also did the best western fighting game, Killer Instinct. You may or may not like KI's aesthetics, or dial-a-combo mechanics, but you can't argue there's a better western fighting game, gameplay-wise.

>>6055830

>>6055415
I gotta agree. I first played this almost 10 years ago for the first time and wasn't really all that impressed with it. It wasn't bad by any means, but nowhere near as good as it was made out to be.

>>6055830
>the Donkey Kong Extended Universe fandom

>>6055415

>>6057217
>jungle fever
Damn right

ok kid.

>>6055415
>outside of it is pre-rendered graphics
Opinion discarded

>>6055415
The sprites were too large and collision somewhat inobvious, but it's still a solid platformer, especially DKC2. Only the third game was too gimmicky for its own good.

>>6055415
jfc shigeru it's been 25 years, get over it already

>>6057217
>all super power club members will be exposed to jungle fever
Video games used to be fun

>>6059153
>too gimmicky
lmao no such thing you turbopleb
3 is the best one because every level introduces a new element of gameplay

>>6059175
t. Kent

Just watch the relevant GameCenter CX episodes if you don't think these games have excellent gameplay, with genuinely interesting forms of difficulty.

>>6060345
Or better yet, play the games.

>>6060348
Or even better still, marathon the television series.

>>6055415
I love playing this now as much as my first time back in 94. It isn't designed to be complex exactly and it's not that difficult for the most part. It's just a fun platformer with just the right amount of charm. If nothing else it deserves credit for creating the subgenre of games that soothe the shit out of you with relaxing music while you repeatedly die because of some stupid thing. That's my favorite kind of platformer ever since.

>>6057137
>The success of DKC is that it's likely the best western-made platformer, ever.
Jazz Jackrabbit 2
Crash Bandicoot

>>6060686
Neither have the flow and polish of DKC's controls or level design.

DKC2 has better level design, but that doesn't mean DKC1 doesn't have great level design. Sure, the variety in the graphics isn't big and the game feels repetitive in the second half, but it's still a great game.

>>6056000
DKC3 has the most variety in the level gimmicks, but the level design isn't as strong as in 2 or 1. The biggest flaw DKC3 did is the overworld shit. I don't want to waste my time buying new vehicles, traveling around the map etc, just give me the fucking map with the levels like 1 or 2.

>>6055415
I remember it being alright
I remember 2 being a lot better though

>>6055415
>Can my opinion be seen as THE opinion
Oh fuck off, it's not as good with secrets as SMW but it's a great fucking game and holds a dear place in my heart.

american here, what does that lower-right "g" stand for?

>>6056561
This.

>>6061146
EU equivalent of an ESRB rating I'd assume

>>6055415
DKC only really had a few weaknesses.

Repeating bosses, the viewpoint sliding, and that Donkey Kong had a weird hitbox and was shittier than Diddy.
They fixed all of those issues with DKC2

>>6055415
It is the Dark Souls of platformers.

Fuck off.

>>6061643
It's the Gran Turismo of platformers

>>6056000
Based RHCP poster

>>6055415
Bosses are the only weak point. Everything else is solid and improved upon in the sequels.

1 < 3* < 2

*Almost the worst because of Kiddy Kong alone.

>>6055415
this game is one of few 10/10s on the console. I know for a fact the same people that attempt to shit on dkc are the same people that shill for OoT on all other boards. its pathetic. they can't accept other people liking things if it doesn't have
>muh triangles
in it

>>6055482
"The bosses suck" is the only valid complaint in this thread

fuck the nigger kong games for overthrowing the genesis and sega's rightfully earned dominance over fourth gen.

>>6061912
stay seething, sega sperg

>>6055969
I think SilvaGunner did that

It's fantastic.

>>6055415
DKC1 was never the one people revered as an absolutely incredible game. It's a pretty good start for the series and has a lot of good levels and some mediocre ones, with mediocre bosses.

DKC2 on the other hand is fucking amazing and one of the best platformers ever made.

Why do DKC's SNES games look great as far as colors go, but DKC Returns and Tropical Freeze look blah? Just talking about art direction, not the gameplay.

>>6062204
SOUL SOULLESS

>>6062204
DKCR doesn't even feel like it's part of the same series, in basically any respect. What a botched "revival".

>>6062204
Returns is your typical mid 2000s ugly 2.5d platformer. Every video game from that era looked like shit. I think Tropical Freeze looks pretty damn good, though. It is actually more colorful than the SNES ones and has some beautiful stages. What it lacks is the "edge" that DKC 2 has, with its darker, moodier levels.

For all that Yoshi's Island clearly had more time, love and attention to detail put into it DKC2 was simply a better video game.

>>6062240
Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

>>6062258
The post you're replying to reads perfectly legibly, ESL.

>>6062421
>using ESL as an insult

>>6062425
Clearly I hit the nail on the head.

>>6055415
>collectables
Yea, you didn't play this as a kid.

>>6062429
Meant didn't play it back then.

>>6062428
Not really ashamed of not being an anglo.
I just thought the wording and use (or lack) of commas was weird.
"For all that Yoshi's Island clearly had more time...", this sentence seems weird to me, not even because of the wording alone, but because I don't know why did you bring up YI.
I also think there should be a comma or a period before DKC2.

>>6062428
Most ESL students I've worked with speak English more properly than natives. They actually try to make an effort to speak correctly over a hodgepodge of lazy slang.

>>6062470
ESLs are unable to decipher sentences that are correct but read "strangely", such as >>6062240. That post isn't even using an uncommon phrase as its basis yet >>6062441 is baffled by it.

>>6062470
They also spell better. I've read many natives mix "than" and "then", for example, but ESLs rarely do.

>>6056000
All this tells me is that DKC1 is BSSM and is by far the best thing they ever did or will do

>>6060915
They're both better in every way.

>>6062441
So what race are you, some 56% border-hopping spic?

>>6062784
>If you aren't an anglo, then you're a Mexican!
Why are burgers so ignorant?

>>6062425
>Shitskin in tears

>>6063064
>if you aren't native english speaker, then your skin isn't fair!
More burgerzoid low IQ display, amazing.

>>6063064
He's right though, by calling someone ESL you're practically acknowledging they know at least 2 languages.
The real insult is EOP.

>>6063067
>Still in tears

>>6063072
English is the only language that matters. Tell me about all those great Spanish-only games, spic.

>>6063072
ESLs can't grasp basic English phrases and the fact that they're so easily spotted for exactly that is what makes it an insult.

>>6063150
I mean, a lot of the great genres that died in the 2000s lived on in European local titles.

>>6056653
While I agree with your point

>citing rational wiki

>>6063397
Oh, so you're from some random european shithole country. How does having grown up with 50hz games and less localized games than North America feel btw?

>>6063150
>English is the only language that matters
Actually, the best games are Japanese, EOP. But english is very easy to learn. As other anon said, ESLs often have less grammatical mistakes than natives, who often use a lot of shitty slang and incorrect spelling.
>>6063372
This post >>6062240 (which originated the discussion) is still pretty badly composed. If you think that's proper english, I have bad news for you, EOP.

>>6063150
>Tell me about all those great Spanish-only games
La Abadía del Crimen

>>6063443
But the best video games require no understanding of Japanese. Do you think RPGs and visual novels are good?

>>6063447
Ganbare Goemon series isn't RPG or visual nove, they're action side-scroller games, but often have text with a lot of witty humor that gets lost if translated to english or any other language.
Just an example.
Anyway, the point is, EOP is the insult, not ESL. You're not insulting anybody by telling them that they know more than 1 language.

Why are Americans always so full of hatred?
>you're spic!
>you're shitskin!
>you're from an european shithole!
Why are you guys so angry just because there's people out there who don't have English as their first language?
I'm from Quebec lmao, but I guess because I'm ESL, I'm a mexican or something

>>6063459
They're an alienated nation. Don't have culture, don't have a real identity. They must vent in some way or another.

>>6063451
ESL generally implies you're a subhuman living in a third world backwater nation, which is lower than only knowing 1 language.

At any rate, you should git gud at English before posting on here.

>>6063469
I'm not even sure USA can be considered 1st world anymore, lmao.
There's many actual 1st world countries that don't have English as their native language. I don't expect americans to know this, because their education system is bad, but yeah.
>At any rate, you should git gud at English before posting on here.
Care to point out any mistakes I've made?

>>6063469
>which is lower than only knowing 1 language.
So you ARE an EOP.
Lazy fatass. Also nice reddit spacing, you burgcuck.

>>6063451
Flavor text doesn’t make a game great. Gameplay does. If you don’t understand why, you probably should go discuss your favorite cinematic experience on >>>/v/.
>ESL isn’t an insult
Strongly disagree. If English isn’t your first language, there’s a good chance you weren’t born in America. I can’t imagine anything worse than not being American.

>>6063459
>Quebec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whZyjueVWuo

>>6063482
>Strongly disagree. If English isn’t your first language, there’s a good chance you weren’t born in America. I can’t imagine anything worse than not being American.
Let's agree to disagree then. I'm very happy to not be a mutt.

>>6063459
Didn't you get the memo? The US is going full nazi and will become the next third reich soon.

>>6063486
Sounds lovely.

>>6063483
>If English isn’t your first language, there’s a good chance you weren’t born in America. I can’t imagine anything worse than not being American.

>>6063482
I can't imagine something worse than being American.

>>6063486
Not with Trump having to kiss his jew overlords' asses. Nice try though, goblino de los americas.
Maybe you'll be lucky and you will die for your overlords in a war against Islam :)

>>6063475
I didn't say I only knew 1 language, just that I would take a native English speaker over an ESL.
Also, you sure are getting mad for being the supposed superior ESL.

>>6063473
>There's many actual 1st world countries that don't have English as their native language.
None that are as relevant or moreso than the English ones.
Cope harder, incESL.

>>6063495
>I didn't say I only knew 1 language
C'mon, EOP.

>6063505
You're not even white.

Enjoy your last (You).

>>6063459
Been in economic crisis since 2008. They're a shadow of their former self. Also lots of immigration, more than ever. And they are just Israel's guardian doggy.
Plenty of reasons to be mad.

>>6063492
>Being Slav
>Being Asian
>Being a sandnigger
>Being Swedish
>Being Brazilian ehuehuehuehuehue

>>6063513
I'd argue Americans stopped being the way they were before since 9/11. They became bitches.

>>6063515
Based and extremely red pilled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KedHNubae88

>>6063515
Those are just as bad as being American, but not any worse. In some cases, being american is worse, I'd rather be a slav (more fun), or asian (more intelligent).

>>6063521
>or asian (more intelligent).
Only Japs and maybe gooks. The rest of Asia is pretty low-IQ however.

>>6063529
Chinks too. In fact, China is your rival nation right now.
Still, Asia has a higher IQ average than USA.

It has way too many blind jump, but it holds up well besides that.

>>6061912
Hm? Which sega games are better than the pack-in Super Mario World?

>>6063534
>believing CCP lies instead of looking at thier civil engineering
Bugmen can’t even design an elevator without it eating a person

>>6061917
>>6063537
He's not a Sega fan, it's just australia-kun. Don't mind him or his retarded posts.

>>6063534
>China bugmen
>smart
And they're only outpacing America economically because they can get away with slave labour making commodities cheaper.

>>6063521
Be a slav or some cambodian nig and tell me how fun it is

>>6063538
Yeah, the fact China is the rival of USA, and they're both considered the 2 big nations of the world speaks volumes of the absolute state of humanity in early 21st century, doesn't it

>>6063537
Lots. And Mario is overrated toddler shit, go play a real platformer like Revenge of Shinobi.

>>6063542
About as fun as being a mutt.

>>6063546
Oh.. That's the type of person you are..

>>6063546
Not him, but I love both SMW and RoS. Both easy games, though.
How does it feel to have grown up as a single-console peasant?

>>6063554
>you HAVE to like this series or else you're a console warrior!
Nintendo fanboys are so sensitive and insecure.

>Both easy games, though.
SMW is 100 times easier than RoS, lying nintencel.

>>6055462
It's computer nerd elitism. I mean, I'm a computer nerd, I'm here, but this kind of nitpicking makes me want to give these zoomers a wedgie. They're looking at old games with ADHD goggles. But at the end of the day it's fine, because they're torpedoing their own fun.

>>6063545
Oh, but the world would be a much better place if your country was a superpower, right?

>>6063565
SMW is 100 times more fun too.

>>6063565
It's pretty obvious you have a bias against Nintendo though, it's not just that you dislike Mario.
And I dunno, RoS is pretty easy, and short. Both are very easy to me, but okay if thinking RoS is a bit harder makes you feel any better, be my guest. They're both good games regardless of that.
But yeah, you grew up with just 1 system, and it shows.
You should try to get over it however. It's been 30 years.

>>6063568
In the current state? Not really, I prefer my country the way it is, neutral and calm.
Have fun going to war for your overlords once the war comes.

This thread has it all
>boomers vs zoomers
>americans vs british
>americans vs everyone else
>console warriors
Anything else?

>>6063572
>RoS is a bit harder
>a bit
You can find both games easy, but you’re being blatantly dishonest if you think RoS only requires a bit more skill than World. It’s a fair amount. Not a bit.

>>6063586
I don't have my death count for each game back when I was a kid and sucked at games, but I'm pretty sure I died more times on SMW. But fair, as I said, RoS is a much shorter game, so probably that's why.
SMW's easy for the most part, but the Special World stages are Lost Levels-tier, especially "Outrageous".
The only part in RoS that I think got me many death counts was the jump on the port level, but that's easily solved when you use the power to make long jumps.

>>6063576
>neutral and calm
The a cute way of saying irrelevant.

>>6055415
>we
no

>>6063602
See you in the news once Israel decides it's time for you and your family to die for them :) enjoy being "relevant".

>>6063616
You sound like you don’t go outside much.

>>6063620
Am I lying? Isn't USA Israel's personal bodyguard? Lots of your people go and die for them in the middle-east.

>>6063572
>It's pretty obvious you have a bias against Nintendo though, it's not just that you dislike Mario.
I don't though, I like a few of the Castlevania games that were made on Nintendo systems for example.

>But yeah, you grew up with just 1 system, and it shows. You should try to get over it however. It's been 30 years.
Wrong again, but keep grasping, Mariotard. Not eveyone has to like your fat plumber's games that are clearly designed for little kids. If you still play them as an adult there's a high chance you're on disability welfare and still living with your parents.

>>6063628
Mario is a pretty fine series, at least the main games. I don't really think it's too kiddy, it's more universal type of cartoon, like Popeye.
Sonic is more kiddy (and I still like Sonic, at least the Genesis games).

>>6063623
Having alliances just comes with being a superpower. And it's less defending israel than it is securing resources, plus nation-building to spread Democracy to places that are still being held down by tyrannical warlords and religious extremists.

>>6063648
Alright. I'd rather not be an ally of Israel, at least not as close as you guys are. Doesn't seem like a very trustworthy ally to be quite honest.

>>6063642
Yeah, Sonic isn't good either. But nooo, if you don't like <insert company's mascot>, you're a console warrior! Lmao.

>>6063653
I didn't call you a console warrior because you didn't like Mario though, but because you used /v/-tier console war lingo.

>>6063586
It's a video game though. You actually care that the game you like is more difficult than Mario? Mario is a kid's game. Do something useful with your life.

>>6063653
If you didnt argue like a 12 year old nobody would think youre retarded.

>>6063660
I don’t. I was just saying you were being dishonest with how you portrayed their difference in difficulty.
World is my third favorite game of all time. RoS isn’t even in the top 10.

dkc is a snappy feeling game with potential for fast movement that when you do achieve it, it feels nice. some of the gimmicks are poorly done, such as in snow barrel blast where the gimmick is it's hard to see where the barrel will shoot you out. the second game is also good, kind of more of the same of the first one but clearly a little better polished and less stupid shit like in dkc1. 3 isn't really worth playing.

The first two at least closely follow the typical rule of 3's design, nothing special there, most games did it, but it's interesting that nintendo didn't revisit it with mario 64. Mario 64 is clearly experimental in its design but they didn't figure out a way to apply a tried and true method of design, instead doing something more free form and "theme park" focused where you get a goal, have to travel to the area where you do it, and then platform or whatever to achieve it.

If anything, Crash Bandicoot applied the DKC style design to a 3D space better. Snappy momentum carrying movement, flowing levels with occasional secrets (DKC definitely had more but I think it's more a credit to being 2D than anything else), collecting shit along the ways - although the crate system is great. I wonder if Miyamoto would have rather made Crash when he saw how others were approaching 3D platforming.

>>6063693
Crash has momentum? I haven't played it since I was a kid, but I don't remember Crash having different speeds.

>>6063718
1 not so much but 2 clearly embraced the kind of game it is. There are ways to gain speed in 1, and it's much like how you do it in DKC. Chaining bounce kills or box bounces.

Is /vr/ contrarian?

>>6063719
Yeah I actually played 2 as a kid, not 1.
I don't remember any momentum-based gameplay, Crash always walked the same speed. Was there a run button?

>>6063721
Nah, true /vr/ likes retro games in general, as long as they're good. Of course /vr/ likes DKC.
/v/ kids who leak onto /vr/, however, yeah those are.

>>6063723
there's a dash and the manual describes the spin dash for continuous dashing.

>>6063494
Trump's just a stepping stone. You don't get rid of all the pozzed shit in America overnight.