/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6046657
But anon, the Saturn came out in 1995 and is objectively better in every way.

>>6046664
Playstation catalog is overwhelmingly more extensive and better

has some good games but obviously it would when it sold as well as it did. for every two-hundrdd shit cash grabs on the console, there’s one good game worth mentioning and that isn’t that impressive in context. it’s real legacy was opening the floodgates for normies and casuals, and killing off SEGA (a way better company for making consoles). Playstation never had any soul and people are just nostalgic for the few incidental good games on a console that brought mostly cancer to the industry.

>>6046673
Saturn has more great games. You can't even debate this.

>>6046679
It is true that it came at the right time for it, but it opened video games to a more adult audience, changing the medium itself.

That is for me its great value.

>>6046684

>>6046684
Name 10

In fact name one game on the Saturn more influential and impactful as FF7..

FF7 isn't even that great tho name one game on the Saturn that exceeds this in both sales, exposure and influential.

>>6046705
>judging a game based on influence and not quality
In that case, fortnite and pubg are the best games in history.

>>6046664
>>6046679
Sega trannies mad.

>Saturn has more great games. You can't even debate this.

>>6046717
name 10 great Saturn games you faggot
Shining Force 3 is the only thing that comes to mind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIxUScfOQwg

>>6046664
The Saturn came out on November 22nd 1994.
If you're going to fanboy a system, at least get basic facts straight.

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Fifth gen was fucking terrible. Only zoomlets care about the Shitstation.

>>6046738
I'm not going to spoonfeed some filthy EOP.

>>6046684
Sega? More like Gayga

>>6046752
pedo

>>6046757
nice larping

>>6046771
you are mentally ill seek help

>>6046664
Except sales, library and controller.

6046757

>>6046757
X Gen here

>>6046664
I owned a Saturn back in the day, it was shit, wish I'd spent my money on a PSX instead. Good trolling attempt though,

I owned several psx consoles back in the day, they were all shit, with shit games.

Go play Einhänder

What's revolutionary about a system that was forced into the market by a multinational corporation?
And how is it the best? It didn't even had the best 3D or 2D of its own generation.
>muh library!
most of the hidden jaymes are 5/10 games.
Anyway, sonygger baiting aside, happy bday playstation.

And now, Sony just makes shitty films.
WTF happened to that company? They went from top-class electronics manufacturer to shitty film studio once the PS3 came out.

Still, PS1 is fantastic. Recently played Spyro again a little for the first time since 1998. Still hits all the beats. Crash 2 as well.

>>6047062
They were always about turning games into shitty movies, anon.

>>6046657
When did the dual shock debut?

>>6047074
1997

>>6046657
Poor mans Sega Saturn

What's pretty impressive is that Sony went to the other manufacturers and they turned them down saying they don't know the hardware or the games. Then Sony takes their ball and makes their own console and rekt the market.

>>6047039
You just have to see the large number of classics and sagas that still continue today and are even being redone. And this will still last a long time.

>>6047139
Most of Playstation's "classics" were already older IPs. They just became popular with console audiences (MSG) or popular in the west (FF), but there's not that many new IPs that were born in PS that became classics.

>>6046657
This game system was the end of soul. The Playstation signified to any megacorp that you didn't need to be a game company to make game systems, that with the right amount of money and marketing they too could barge into the expanding industry and shape it to their liking, even if it is worse for the consumer. This system opened the door for Microsoft and its anti-consumer practices, such as Xbox Live and Kinect. It opened the door for the current, complacent Sony to release shit like the PS4 and have it lapped up by the masses, whereas if something like the PS4 launched in 1995, it would have flopped like the 3DO did.

>>6047147
Much of what you say has sociological aspects rather than videogames in particular. Society has brought us that unbridled consumerism on all levels of our life. The world of games would have changed and evolved to this without Sony.

>>6046679
>implying PS didn't use practically the same marketing strategy Sega had already used in the previous generation.

>>6047139
>>6047143
You're both wrong. The best things on PlayStation started on PlayStation and ended there too. See: Crash, Spyro, Tomba. Not your shitty "adult" garbage. Stuff with actual fun gameplay.

>>6047092
>and they turned them down saying they don't know the hardware or the games
Most likely it's because Sony wanted 100% of the profits of the CD games, which is why Nintendo said NOPE.
Sony was smarter than Panasonic or Phillips, because they actually got to work directly with Nintendo's in-house hardware and software development teams. Unlike Phillips (who only got Nintendo's licenses but not actual contribution to the actual hardware or software) or Panasonic (who went kind of blind, and actually the 3DO wasn't all that bad, just too expensive for 1993), Sony took all the needed notes and then went to do their own console without anyone else.

>>6047143
It has many more hits than these that you mention (there is no need to list them) and even the evolutionary leap in these IPs is tremendous, so much so that they can almost be considered new, since it really introduced mechanics and elements never seen before in gaming.

>>6047147
Sony had been making hardware and ICs for gaming companies for many years before the PS1.

>>6046679
Based. Sonyggers are seething right now.

Sony had zero soul same as today. They don’t even have a mascot

>>6047192
>They don’t even have a mascot
>what is Talladega Nights

>>6046738
Name 10 great PS games
And I mean truly great exclusives

On Saturn:

NiGHTS
VF2
Sega Rally
Virtual On
Guardian Heroes
Panzer Dragoon 2
Panzer Dragoon Saga
Dragon Force
TEN PLAYER BOMBERMAN
Death Tank

>>6047192
That's because all its good games were made by 3rd parties.

>>6047212
>And I mean truly great exclusives
So why didn't you name any truly great exclusives?

>>6047212
Anyway

>>6047226
He's betting on you not knowing that they're mediocre because no one plays the Saturn.

>>6046657
>Hail to most revolutionary and best gaming system of all time
I would, but it's still loading.

>all these Saturniggers ITT
Fuck off, your system sucked shit.

>>6047239
bernieposter, please.

>>6047235
PS5 is loading

R-Type DELTA was great

>>6046657
>December 3, 1994
The day this industry turned to crap.

FLY, PLAYTHING... FLY

>>6047263
If you say it

>>6046657
The day the fucking normies invaded. Most normie kids I knew at college who had a PlayStation had a library of around four shitty games with an Oasis album in-between them..

>>6047264
BASED

>>6047280
Hey, Oasis were good

Videogames went from the children's room to the adult room

>>6047323
I sure love my playstation! triangle square circle! aggo goo gaa gaaa

The best system with its best gaming advert of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIW4HMl81hw

>>6047192
>You now remember that sad roster’d Smash clone they made with non-exclusive characters, Kratos and some forgotten indy game thing called “Fat Princess”

>>6047339
I played it without bias. It was shit.
The smash clone by takara/hudson/konami was way better.

>All these sega autists mad
Based PS1

>>6047280
The big money you make by catering to idiots. Sony knew this from the start. Thats their core business still.

>>6047415
>celebrating the death of gaming
Based basedny boys

>>6047473
Sega was never good.

>>6047212
>Jumping Flash! 1/2 (Sony never should have given up on this franchise)
>Twisted Metal 1/2/3/4/Small Brawl (even if you don't like the later ones, try arguing TM2 isn't great)
>Crash Bandicoot 1/2/3/Crash Team Racing
>Spyro 1/2/3
>Tomba 1/2
>Digimon World 1/2/3 (really three entirely different games, but all great)
>Ape Escape
>Gran Turismo
>Jet Moto 1/2/and to a lesser degree, 3 (great franchise even if forgotten)
>Legend of Dragoon

I'll try to help you out by listing entire franchises as one entry each. Let's also pretend that PS1 didn't consistently have the best version of practically every multiplat game at the time (until Dreamcast came around at the end of the gen), since N64 games were always gimped due to cartridge space.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Saturn, but it doesn't even compare to PS1. It has a few great games, mostly if you're into weeb stuff, but it doesn't have anywhere near the same numbers.

Also, NiGHTS was always overrated, and Sega/Yuji Naka thinking that it could be some sort of replacement for Sonic is one of the key reasons the Saturn failed. It was never as good.

Nice samefagging btw.

>>6047339
They were so afraid of ripping off Smash Bros that they made a stupid "new" health/damage system, which actually was just Digimon Damage Spirit, which was never good anyway.

That said, I liked Fat Princess. I'd rather more obscure Sony-owned characters like that instead of third party shit like Big Daddy. The only third parties that should have even been an option would be Crash and Spyro characters, but Activision wouldn't let them be used.

>>6047212
Crash 1
Crash 2
Crash 3
Crash Bash
Crash Team Racing

>>6047212
>Panzer Dragoon Saga
I looked specifically for this entry before reading anything to make sure I could save myself the trouble and just disregard your entire post

>>6047068
btfo

25 years and consolewars are still a thing, this thread is sad.

>>6047513
You've just listed a bunch of deeply average shovelware utterly lacking in innovation* or personality, thanks for proving my point

*Actually Jumping Flash is innovative, sadly it's also shit

Syphon Filter 1-3

>>6048139
>Actually Jumping Flash is innovative, sadly it's also shit
It's a pretty good game, and so is JF2.
Much better than derivative shit like crash or spyro.

>>6046664

>>6046657
>when slick marketing does the job on you. FOREVER
The Super Nintendo had a better library, and there's nothing revolutionary about it. Numerous systems used CD-ROM as a medium before it, a couple of systems had already used memory cards, analog controllers already existed, and the Sharp X68000 already did polygons in the early 90's, so graphical capabilities were hardly a great leap forward.

>>6048327
yeah, he was baiting. Saturn came out before the Playstation, november 22, 1994.

The logo is pure kino though, and that boot. Makes up for any evils.

>>6046657
Nintendo mogged/mogs snoy and segass hard.

>>6048419
Sony killed Sega and made Nintendo a niche console manufacturer. Nintendo doesn't mog shit.

>>6048139
>Jumping Flash is innovative
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNI9TPOjdCg

>>6048139
>You've just listed a bunch of deeply average shovelware
imagine being this fucking retarded

>>6046657
The only revolutionary thing was the controller, which was basically a SNES controller with a few more buttons. Nothing became revolutionized until analog sticks became standard with the PS2.

>>6047513
And the best Plebstation fanboy Larping prize of the day goes out to...

The saturn has no games.

>>6048421
>Sony killed Sega and made Nintendo a niche console manufacturer.
Imagine actually celebrating the death of gaming... sony fans are like that.

>>6048634
>>6047473
samefag

>>6048634
>sony fans
are cancer

>>6048648
This is all the zoomers know now, sony and xbox.

>he still samefagging

>>6048645
>>6048421
samefag anti-video game sonybot

6048686
Pathetic

>>6048703
>puthuthuc
Is this the best you can do, drone?

>>6048673
Phones, as well.

6048716
ok segatard

>>6048673
What can you expect when half of these uncultured retards grew up on plebstation shovelware.

>>6048867
4theplayers

>>6046657
>great puzzle games
>good action games
>quite good sports games
>shit-ton of streamlined tabletops (rpgs)


I liked

One thing that Sony did that was truly revolutionary was buying out third party developers to make their games exclusive. When Microsoft done that a few years later they were likened to the devil.

>>6048934
Exclusivity fosters competition. Could you have imagined how dull gaming would have been now if it was just Nintendo and PC gaming or how predatory it would be if it had just been Microsoft and iPhone games?

>>6047015
There was a time, in the era of great chaos

>>6047212
Are we counting multiplats and games that received a port years later?

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Sony+PlayStation+Teardown/128089

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=k7Lk7idveeU&feature=emb_title

Is it ok if I like both the Saturn and the PlayStation?

>>6047554
Extremely based and bandicootpilled.

>>6046679
Killed SEGA? It should be clear to everyone that between SoJ and SoA undermining each other, a rushed launch, and a refusal to make a Sonic game, that SEGA committed suicide.

PS1 was pretty cool, however I am of the opinion that the SNES was the best video game console ever. It was peak 2D gaming, whereas the PS1 felt like a rough departure in 3D gaming.

>>6050529
If Sony hadn't entered the market Sega could have rode it out for a long time.

>>6047015
One of the best looking games I've ever seen, so gritty with lots of color and detail, the changing angles are also well done. Music is 10/10

>>6050497
Yes.
Just ignore the console war fags.

back to >>>/v/

>>6050659
And if wishes were fishes we'd all eat.

That's business. Sony sensed SEGA's weakness and offered developers, publishers, and consumers what they wanted and what SEGA wouldn't give to them. SEGA pulled the same shit with Nintendo. All's fair in love and war.

I'm probably the last person on the planet to learn the PS3 can play PS1 games. So now I'm going nuts finding games. I was always a Nintendo fag and my first Sony system was a PS3.
Ordered Front Mission 3, King's Field 2, and Spyro 1. Gonna go well with my copies of Dino Crisis and Ace Combat 2 I got.

>>6052176
That's just the ps3 emulating a ps1. It's not like the early ps3s that had the emotion engine. Just get a real ps1 they're cheap.

>>6052236
What's the benefit of getting a PS1 when my 3 does it just fine?

>>6050205
>Exclusivity fosters competition.
Then why is there so much screeching about the epic games store?

>>6052238
>when my 3 does it just fine
or does it?

>>6053461
I haven't had any issues while playing AC2 and Parasite Eve.

>>6053512
If thats the 20 or 60gb then thats a really great machine haveing ps1 and ps2 backwards compatibility with 1080p upscaling looks great

the console with the shittiest hardware still was able to ruin the dreamcast
they got the better titles, albeit the performance and 3d was atrocious. it was so bad, even back then it was not the kicker. it was relatively cheap compared to the others, and it had the better games that's why it succeeded. the console itself is a bad joke.

they peaked with the ps2 from what i heard, i stopped being a console fag after the ps1 and went full pc. never looked back.

>>6046657
>best gaming system
that would be the neo geo

>>6053527
>1080p upscaling
Have you ever used the ps3 for ps1/ps2 output? Some rare cases it looks ok, otherwise it is blurry and clearly under 720p. Games like Castlevania SOTN are easy to compare across 1, 2, and 3.

>This thread
It is like you cannot let others to love things. Never change vr.

Now, post your top psx videogames.

It´s only a celebration

>>6048426
>previous game by the same devs on a system nobody actually played, which was the vastly improved with the sequel
Try actually playing Geograph Seal. Cool game, but Jumping Flash is leaps and bounds beyond it. Might as well say Super Mario Bros. isn't innovative because Mario Bros existed before it. It adds a lot to its predecessor.

>>6048421
Sega killed themselves. After the Sega CD and the 32X, they bungled releasing software outside of Japan, leaving huge markets without many of the best games. And they fucked up Sonic X-Treme, resulting in no Sonic game despite him being an incredibly popular mascot that sold their previous system, and no 3D platformer, in an era when Mario 64 and Crash Bandicoot were selling the N64 and PS. They then released the Dreamcast at a time when it seemed amazing compared to its contemporaries. But its contemporaries were at the end of their lifespan, and Dreamcast couldn't compete with the next gen. Plus the piracy was so easy that people who otherwise weren't even aware of piracy would be able to do it.

If Sega avoided even one of these mistakes, maybe they could have survived longer. But they just had one major fuckup after another.

>>6048449
The controller is the least revolutionary part. They took what was good and improved it. Which is what Nintendo did from NES to SNES, and what they should have kept doing. Sega kept doing it with their line of controllers too, and then Xbox picked up from where Sega left off. But even they eventually evolved in a direction toward the SNES line of evolution.

>>6052249
Because Steamfags are the biggest idiots on the planet.

>>6053685
I've only gotten a system myself pretty recently, but I've played a few titles over the years via the PS3 and Vita. Got a proper setup now, including a way to make use of RGB since my early PAL system outputs a fucked up NTSC signal when playing US copies of games.

But so far, I'd probably put Ace Combat 2, AC3's Japanese version and Xenogears up there. All three Spyros are a good time too, not quite as tight as SM64 but a bloody good effort from a console less suited to 3D platformer collectathons.

>>6046773
No proof of that at all.

>>6055145
Crash is a much better platformer than Spyro. Spyro is a collectathon but not a platformer.

>>6055145
t. You're a faggot.

>>6053630
It's true, honestly.

ps1