/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Is this shit even still active
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

=== NEWS ===

[11-26] French Meat 2 for Blood released
https://www.moddb.com/mods/french-meat-2

[11-22] Wrath: Aeon of Ruin is now in Early Access
https://twitter.com/3DRealms/status/1197892935867666433?s=19

[11-21] Death Wish for Blood updated to version 1.6.9
https://www.moddb.com/mods/death-wish-for-blood

[11-21] Port of PC version of Powerslave/Exhumed released
https://forums.duke4.net/topic/10872-pcexhumed-exhumedpowerslave-pc-port

[11-17] ZSDF editor anon releases AceToolkit
https://gitlab.com/accensi/acetoolkit

[11-17] Shrine, a total conversion for Doom II
https://www.moddb.com/mods/shrine

[11-15] Triune Discovery and Jump Boots for Quake have released
http://celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61791

[11-13] Andy Olivera steps down from maintaining DSDA, new site available
http://doomedsda.us/news.html
https://dsdarchive.com/

[11-12] ZMovement 3.0 released earlier this month
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65095

[11-12] D4T 2.5 slated for a November 16th release
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=122klRWFl5A

[11-14] Death Wish for Blood updated to 1.6.8
https://www.moddb.com/mods/death-wish-for-blood

[11-6] DBP17 RC2 released, an Aliens-themed mapset
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/110070-dbp17-alone/

[11-4] MORTIS, a gameplay mod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=66279

[11-4] BlooM, a Doom/Blood crossover
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=66261

[11-4] GMOTA 1.3 scheduled for the 15th this month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIACyDExUj8&feature=youtu.be

[11-2] Kinsie releases a WIP of 'Deathmatch Simulator'
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=66264&sid=3421fd12811cbd9c13bc2ff851980cae

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Doot.

Will you be logging back in to Quake 3 Arena to celebrate it's upcoming 20th anniversary?

>>6038021
Slightly unrelated, but is ECWolf the only source port for Wolf3D?
Isn't there a chocolate Wolf3D equivalent?

>>6038090
That rig could totally play the opening bars of At Doom's Gate with just three smacks on the horn button.

>>6037982
you just can't make this shit up
to quote:
> IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>6038023
Defrag world cup 2019 - https://dfwc.q3df.org/comp/dfwc2019/
add it to news.

Happy thanksgiving, ya fuckin animals

>>6038223
what is the purpose of eating turkey on a specific day of the year

>>6038227
It's less about the turkey and more about family coming together for a dinner, to put aside any petty squabbles and bullshit and just enjoy one another's company. Same thing with Christmas, really.
and a lot of leftovers. Leftover turkey sandwiches are god tier.

btw im Bloodite Krypto

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjlqVzpN_Ls

>>6038231
> same thing with christmas
so just wait a month

>>6038186
Why do people do those?
Like, get a file and actually sand it down into shape so it doesn't look like a kindergarten project, damn.

>>6038269
Why?

>>6038268
wonderful

>>6038269
No, Thanksgiving is Christmas without the obligation of having to get people gifts.

>>6038114
There's Wolf4SDL, but as far as I can tell you're actually better off with a good DOSBox configuration.

>>6037915
I think the armor itself looks cool and would work for a different protag. However, one of the things that was great about the original Doomguy was how he was just this normal marine that was just so damn good he almost singlehandedly fought off the forces of hell. He didn't need special armor or super powers, just anger and a love of big guns. Whereas in most video games, the protagonist has some kind of unique attribute, ability, or item that gives them the capability to win against the primary antagonistic force, Doomguy was just a guy. Hell, he was the guy the rest of the soldiers left behind to guard the perimeter while they tried to handle things. That's what makes Doomguy special. That's what makes him cool. Giving him super special snowflake armor and explicitly superhuman physiology just subtracts from what made him great in the first place.

>>6038095
Maybe on my Dreamcast.

Holy fuck I finally started using Xash3D half way through my HL1 playthrough after dealing with Steams GoldSrc version and holy shit what a world of difference. People really should be made as well aware of this as Doom sourceports.

Is there any other "fixes"/ports/audio stuff I should install?

Does anyone have that compilation for all the Cacoward winners in one place for download? I remember seeing it before but haven't found it since, was wondering if it still gets updated.

Will Sigil get a cacoward?

>>6038481
Or a better question: Does Sigil DESERVE a cacoward?

>>6038482
I mean, I think Sigil is very unfairly criticized. It's important to remember that the fact that there are no new textures, no limit-removing features, and not even a Super Shotgun or Doom 2 enemies come from the very premise of the project. I'm sure that if Romero had free reign to do anything he wanted, he could've created something amazing, but entire point of Sigil was to create something that could've reasonably have been a real expansion to Doom in the 1990s.

The thing is, modern Doom community very much focuses on putting large quantities of Doom 2 monsters in super-large limit-removing spaces with shiny new textures, so of course Sigil wasn't necessarily to everyone's tastes.

Doesn't mean it was BAD for what it was.

>>6038450
Not really.
The Black Mesa version is good too, though. Just hitherto unfinished.

I'd give Sigil a Cacoward just based on how it exposed so many "good Doom players" as complete hacks.

>>6038545
Seriously, I'm starting to realize a lot of opposition to Plutonia because "haha Revenants and brown" is actually masking the fact that these people can't actually beat Plutonia without savescumming.

>>6038023
>>/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
>-Is this shit even still active
Nope. Project leader went ghost.

Does anyone know of a good "unseen janitor" mod? (Corpses are removed when they are not in your fov) I'd like to run this to cut down on lag when playing slaughtermaps.

>>6038021
Im currently on a server that uses complex doom clusterfuck and a bunch of other wards. Is there a way to replicate said server in singleplayer? Reason is, it only has one life and waiting up to 10 minutes to die in 1-2 shots is kinda too punishing so i figured reconstructing it in sp is the way to play.

>>6038598
Copy load order from doomseeker.

>>6038639
doesnt give the option, only name emailadress url etc
otherwise, wont this just suffice? https://www.moddb.com/mods/complex-doom/downloads/complex-doom-clusterfuck

>>6038482
It's entirely the opinions of those guys on Doomworld who run the awards, so ask them.
Don't be upset if it doesn't win one, because that doesn't take away from its merits.

>>6038482
sigil overall its a fun episode and has some cool ideas but i think it's big problem is that it needed more refinement.

>>6038545
gman is never gonna live this and his fresh supply review down.

>>6038661
I thought Sigil was mostly solid, I can't think of a lot to refine.

>>6038659
>It's entirely the opinions of those guys on Doomworld
That's why we had the golden boners, but we've only done it twice.
A sort of voting system would be nice if it were done again, but that requires a lack of anonymity.

>>6038669
I prefer when the actual award winners are chosen by a small group of people that simply decide themselves, but public nominations are a good idea.

>>6038541
You mean Black Mesa Source? I think they're in beta testing for the last 2 levels now

>>6038658
This option?

>>6038693
Yeah, they're close. But if you play now your saves won't care over. I have to replay all of on-a-rail because my saves got busted 80% through it. They should break that checkpoint into two.

>>6038095
>170lbs
I'm 5"10 170 lbs and I'm skinny.

>>6038743
Maybe by American standards. Your BMI is near the upper limit of normal. Five more pounds and you're overweight.

>>6038743
> 177cm and 77kg
> skinny
try 198cm (6'6) and 70kg (154lbs)
thats skinny
i am shoulder cannons away from actually being a revenant

anyone using imperial by default should be put to death by default

>>6038482
it deserves recognition at least.

>>6038718
oooooooh
nice
what do i do now?copy paste into google and download all separately? There must be an easier way

>>6038848
develop a time machine and ask your mother not to drink alcohol while pregnant

https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/66218162
what are some good star wars mods?

>>6038545
gggman was always terrible at reviewing games, almost like a parody as if he looked up better critics and copied bits from them but executed it worse
he once claimed the 2016 mancubus didn't really change from the classic one
imagine being a fan of a franchise where gameplay comes first and forget how an iconic enemy even fucking played like when he came back with a much different style

>>6038859
haha thats a good one now an honest answer pls

>>6038882
kill yourself and everyone related to you within two generations

>>6038868
Chibi rebellion

Has anyone actually played Kinsie's fake MP mod?

>>6039057
I have. Not a whole lot to it: you have to get a certain amount of kills before the time limit is reached to advance to next stage. The amount of kills needed goes up every stage. You'll be fighting Zombiemen, Sergeants, and Imps, whose movement and AI has been revamped to make them seem like players. In addition, JPFGuy, Chubbs, the Blood Cultist, and the Ranger make an appearance as well.

It's pretty fun, though very skinny on content atm, so it's little more than a novelty. Looking forward to seeing how Kinsie expands on it.

Are there any straight, cis women in the Doom community, or is it just dudes thinking they're broads and lesbians?

>>6038482
Sigil is mediocre at best. There is absolutely nothing special about it, and what's been done in it has already been done far better over a decade or two ago.

The only big thing about it is that it has Romero's name attached to it, and that's why you suck its cock.

>>6039210
Major Arlene? Dunno if shes straight, but pretty sure she is cis.

>>6039231
To be fair, the only reason you hate it is because it has Romero's name attached to it.

Wow. is it just me or does the difficulty really get cranked up in Square episode 2? im barely getting by with the ammo they dole out

>>6038520
>no limit-removing features
Not quite true. Some of the details in Sigil are too much for vanilla to handle. But beyond raised limits, it doesnt take advantage out of any source port features, yeah.

>>6038482
Initial release was 7/10 for me, but I'd say the updated versions bumped it to an 8/10, for improving the balance. It certainly doesn't have that "wow" factor that a lot of ambitious Doom 2 mapsets have, but its definitely one of the best Doom 1 mapsets I've played, regardless of it having Romero's name attached.

>>6039240
If I were to list any of the horrible design decisions and the extremely uncreative structure of the levels again, it's not like it'd matter; if you were fisted by Romero you'd enjoy it.

Sigil needs a new boss, last level felt so dessapointed

>>6038545
I always knew gman was shit when he would always call plutonia artificial difficulty for using revenants and chaingunners.

>>6039262
So far all you've listed is "Romero" so I'm gonna go ahead and stick with "reee romero" as you're prime reason.

>>6039274
The only reason anyone would ever like Sigil is because it was made by Romero. It's a far saner reason than actually believing the level design is good and worthy of a cacoward

>>6038579
That's sad. I was kinda looking forward to playing it.

>>6038579
Should I just tear it off the post next thread, then?

>>6039284
I had fun with sigil, fuck off

>>6038269
Not everyone celebrates Christmas.

>>6039326
Well they should the god damn heathens.

Had no idea doing a pistol start made such a difference in difficulty. Doom 2 is a whole different beast that way

>>6039326
You must be a mussie, hebe, or curry nigger then.

>>6039343
I don't recall saying that I don't celebrate Christmas.

>>6039343
Even if they were what are you gonna do about it big man

>>6039391
Nuke whichever shithole 3rd world country you come from.

>>6039210
fpscarol I think

>>6039332
Barrels o' fun is pretty hard pistol start.

>>6039402
xD

I fucking hate revenants and I hate their stupid tracking missiles.

Why does every gun in this game suck except for the plasma rifle and BFG? Why does the rocket launcher feel like it's shooting watermelons and why does the chaingun feel like it's a god damned nerf gun.

Everything is horrible but if you fix it then the game becomes too easy. Making the game feel better breaks the fucking game AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Fuck you cheeky little skeleton shits I fucking hate you and I fucking hate these guns

>>6039402
But what if he is Jew?

>>6039437
Quit gettin mad at video games and practice

>>6039450
Fucking SKELETONS

>>6039437
rocket launcher has higher dps than the plasma rifle and has explosions
maybe you're just weird

>>6038021
I have an idea for mod that I would call Simple Doom.

My basic ideas are these:

No two weapons occupy the same slot. Fists for 1, chainsaw for 2, shotgun for 3, rifle for 4, rockets for 5, BFG is 6. I would have certain weapons' alt fires replace entire weapons.

For example, the rifle is your starting weapon. Fires a bit faster than the normal pistol, but still just a tad slower than the chaingun. Then, you get an upgrade to the fire rate that makes it a little faster than the chaingun. The shotgun's alt fire upgrade is basically the half life 1 and 2 shotgun alt fire, that makes it a super shotgun. You get the BFG first, but the primary fire is just the plasma gun with green projectiles. Then, you get the alt fire later, which is the normal BFG.

I have an idea for mod that I would call Simple Doom. I eventually want to make this myself.

My basic ideas are these:

No two weapons occupy the same slot. Fists for 1, chainsaw for 2, shotgun for 3, rifle for 4, rockets for 5, BFG is 6. I would have certain weapons' alt fires replace entire weapons.

For example, the rifle is your starting weapon. Fires a bit faster than the normal pistol, but still just a tad slower than the chaingun. Then, you get an upgrade to the fire rate that makes it a little faster than the chaingun. The shotgun's alt fire upgrade is basically the half life 1 and 2 shotgun alt fire, that makes it a super shotgun. You get the BFG first, but the primary fire is just the plasma gun with green projectiles. Then, you get the alt fire later, which is the normal BFG.

These changes to the weapons make it so that you don't have to switch weapons to fire the same ammo type in a different way, you would just right click. In the case of bullet ammo, you only have one fire mode, and the chaingun replacement just makes the rifle fire faster. I would use the same model that Burl Tumd and Doom Alpha do for the rifle, because that thing is so fucking badass to me.

Regardless of all that, there are some other changes I would like to make to certain areas of the gameplay. I would make it so that all strafe running is just SR50 speed. No more button combos for a faster strafe run, you just always strafe run faster. I would make the rifle always shoot exactly on the crosshair, so that you don't have to manually click once at a time to snipe. I would also increase the carrying capacity for bullets by 100. You don't have to pick up a backpack to be able to carry the maximum amount of ammo, the backpack just gives you more ammo. The shotgun and it's fire mode would have one fixed spread pattern.

I want to trim the fat off of my favorite game and make the little "improvements" I've always wished for. Maybe that would be interesting for some of you to play.

>>6039437
Damn those are some wrong opinions

i'm playing doom64 retribution for the first time and i didn't know about the demon keys. I'm already on level 17

GEROSHAY

CRUOOO

>>6039540
Ouch.

Does anyone have or know where I can get some good human marine sprites for a personal project of mine? Both marine and chaingunner body types are good, I just need them to be unzombified. Gothic99/Strife based sprites are also good.

Looking for some visual variety, not just "helmeted marine with a different gun."

first time playing blood, is fresh supply shit? i want the authentic experience

>>6039552
Yes, its shit. Just download the free port BloodGDX. Fresh Supply is less accurate and more buggy. They never even fixed Caleb's quotes being ear-rape loud compared to the rest of the game.

>>6039584
I never had any issues with Caleb's voicelines in game.

>>6039505
>Simple Doom
You mean Doom 1?

>>6039210
Trans rights, dammit

>>6039505
>>6039506
The thing is trimming too much fat makes the game -too- simplistic, predictable, and boring. Swapping weapons and such forces small choices upon the player and those add up. Plus what do you do if the player picks up a BFG before a plasma gun? Will they only have the BFG altfire and no plasma gun primary? You're not the first to think of an idea like this, I had considered it a few years back during downtime of my main projects and I ultimately decided against it as fucks too much with what makes Doom great.

Also making it so you always run at SR50 speed means there's no effort involved at running max speed, so that takes away some of the satisfaction of learning that technique and putting it to use.

Lately i have become kinda obsessed with doom 64 and i discovered that a couple monster were cut from the game like pic related.
there's has been any attempt of recreate them? i have seen just the annihilator and the shitty ceberus of brutal doom 64

>>6039584
thanks

Sandy Petersen is based.

>>6039606
That's your opinion, and I agree with some of it. Honestly I would be making the mod for myself. Also I would have the BFG alt fire pickup include the plasmagun function. Maybe it just always has both firemodes... that would be interesting. im not super intrigued by keeping the balance and feel the same as vanilla doom. This is it's own thing.

>>6039643
Perfectly respectable, just be wary that stuff can bite you in the ass, I feel that sting a lot with almost everything I've made over the years. But I'd still want to play this mod just to see how you handle things.
What about the fists and chainsaw?

>>6038095
maybe for some team arena

>>6039647
fists and chainsaw are just different slots. Then you wouldnt have to juggle either one. That's kinda what spurred me to think about this... I notice it a lot when going from Doom 2016, Blood, or Quake back to Doom 1/2. It's a pain to cycle through a weapon you didnt want to equip, in order to get to the one you want.

Also I really like the rifle model in Burl Tumd / Doom Alpha. It's sexy.

Are there any /vr/ shooters where you play as a preacher/pastor/general holy man? Doesn't matter if it's good or worth playing, I'm just curious.

>>6039437
I hated revenants until I played Quake and saw what Vore projectiles are like. Revenants are lenient and could be much, MUCH worse. Revenant projectiles are easy to guide into walls. With dickish level design this can become harder, but that's a problem with the map and not the enemy (and arguably isn't a problem because some people like their DOOM levels to be brutal and that's okay).

>>6039552
then play DOSbox :^)
authentic experience =/= best experience

>>6039698
grezzo 2

>>6039719

>>6039698
the doom wad "preacher"

>>6039698
MORTIS

>>6039616
hans rudolf giger wants to know your location

>>6039616
Good thing that was cut. Demons in Doom don't have tits or gender.

>>6039715
Vores are such shit enemies. You either stunlock them or eat the damage, because trying to dodge that homer they fire is a waste of time and energy.

>>6039779
I often lure the projectile back to them. I advise bunny hopping to create more distance.

>>6039774
>Doom don't have tits or gender
Tell that to the MANcubus

Does anyone else have a problem with getting softlocked when playing WADS on Crispydoom?, I couldn't open doors on the first levels of eviternity and UAC ultra but I didn't have this problem on prboom

>>6039787
eviternity is made for boom-compatible ports. ie prboom+ or zdoom. it wont work right with vanilla sourceports because the boom map format adds many extra mapping possibilities.

>>6039787
Eviternity won't play properly on Crispy Doom. It is purely a limit removing port.

>>6039879
they're clearly the esophagus and the trachea, since they're essentially the detached head of an Astral Dreadnought

>>6039698
Nun with a Gun. https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=59072

>>6038123
i'm sorry, but i require more examples of these
for my collection

>>6039505
>"Simple" Doom
>each weapon has two fire modes, one of which can be obtained by collecting a powerup
Dead Simple.

>>6039326
I'm wildly agnostic, it's just an excuse to me for gift giving and fancy foods.
The year is over, celebrate the good, and remember surviving the bad.

>>6039980
It's mostly the fancy foods for my family at this point, but yeah, that sounds about right to me.

>>6039437
The rocket launcher is a fucking powerhouse though, you can carry 100 shots, each individual shot does great damage, even splash damage, and you can fire it really fast.

>>6039719
Based

Happy Thanksgiving!

>>6039774
Wow rude

>>6039231
>sad virginal rant

Sigil is better than your favourite wad, deal the fuck with it anon.

>>6040091
t. John Romero

https://youtu.be/CnYtathGvdw RTX is impressive but this seriously fucks Quake 2's atmosphere

who would even give a fuck about rtx in quake 2

>>6040185
It's meant to be a tech demo, not a selling point for the game itself

Speaking of Quake 2, are the expansions worth buying?

If I am to make a topdown mod for Doom (something akin to Mageslayer), what do I have to do so that sprites rotate according to direction they face - just setting billboarding won't do since sprites will always be shown upright.

>>6040214
Are you going to be using top-down sprites, or the regular doom sprites?

What are some good mapsets that compliment Babel?

>>6039882
never thought of it like that

>>6040214
use 3d model with a flat texture. probably another way I'm unaware of but that's how i'd do it.

>>6040224
Special top-down sprites, like in Take No Prisoners and Mageslayer.

The actual idea is an Arcanoid/doom mix where you control a guy with paddle and use different types of bouncing balls to kill enemies and activate things in top-down perspective.
Obviously with specially built levels since on regular ones the ball will just fly off, lol.

Something like Cornbuster, except i thought of the concept before I knew that game existed.

>>6039231
As someone critical of Romero, I actually found it to be a pretty damn decent episode. Obviously not comparable to the cream of the crop of user made episodes and megawads, it's no Alien Vendetta or Bloodstain, but I would say it's as good as Thy Flesh Consumed, which is a compliment in any context.

>>6040214
>>6040249
make it a +flatsprite and just rotate the actor

>>6039698
I can only think of call of juarez 1? Its pretty old but I dont think its retro.

You could even recite bible passages while shooting bandits.

>>6040279
>You could even recite bible passages while shooting bandits
Was there even any point to that?
I heard it can convert enemies into allies but that never worked for me.

>>6040289
>Was there even any point to that?

Yeah, to be cool as fuck.

>>6038095
Yo Quake had BBWs? Maybe I need to start playing

Hey lads any links yo downloading UT'99 and Quake3?
I already have a copy on steam but want a copy just to have on a flashdrive?

>>6040251
Then all you should need to do is to use the FLATSPRITE flag. This pancakes your sprites flat on the ground and allows you to rotate them (the sprites themselves) with the Angle property rather than by changing out the sprite for another.

>Latest Slayer's Club article shares a link to the Fandom wiki instead of the proper Wiki

>>6040239
why are you faggots never any help?

>>6040336
cuz fuck you that's why.

Does Doom 3 count as retro?

>>6039584
Fresh supply is not that bad, I like the guns being at higher fps but I hate the UI compared to gdx.

>>6040350

Not according to this board's rules since it was released in 2004

>>6040372
vr is only pre millennium right?

Strange cause I consider the threshold, the decade of dark precisely right between 2004\2005 when all went to shit. And its barely starting getting better now.

>>6039698
Hexen's cleric kinda counts, maybe?

>>6040312
these were released on gog, so just look for copies of these on your fav torrent site

>>6040351
It's miles better than ZBlood, I'll give it that.

>>6039546
realm667?

>>6039616
gerardo194 was working on a project on doomworld about this

>>6039774
fun fact, there's concept art of the d3 manc with a pussy

>>6039698
Dunno why but for some reason I'm now thinking of the priest from Peter Jackson's Brain Dead in an FPS

>"I kick arse for the Lord"

So I just read Masters of Doom and it more or less changed my perception of id. The only member of the team I can appreciate is pic related edgelord. When I only knew about the anecdotes and the Keen shooting I thought he was just another trenchcoat asshole, but given his own traumatic life experience, the fact he seemed to be the only real family man (and son) and the arbitrator in id, I feel like he's someone I'd like to work with. He was just annoyed at Tom "BEEP BEEP" Hall and that's natural. And I love the whole Doom aesthetic.
Tom Hall is useless. For a supposed bubbly guy, he stays in the background and has no inspiring power, Romero did all the inside lobbying for him, and seriously, if you weren't caught in the Keen or nothing, it's highly unlikely you'd stay with that thing. Even Alex Kidd would beat him up. Just buy a discount NES or a SMS.
Carmack is retarded. Everytime he opens up it's for saying something stupid and tryhard. His worldview is something that's trying to sound so sharp and intellectual but is actually just laziness and disregard for anything that isn't some logic game he likes. He just wants to live like an autistic prince coding whatever he wants on his computer, and his grip on id post-Quake really demonstrated that Romero should have been the one who stayed. Was he THAT irreplaceable? I know id was built on the Legend of Carmack but Epic, Valve and 3D Realms showed themselves to be dangerous competitors even with less advanced engines. What do we remember fondly, Doom 3 or DN3D? As for him being a genius I'm starting to think that if we also forsake all common sense and social intelligence for code and pizza we'd all have enough brainpower to be Carmacks.

>>6039698
My man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60_Hwr_csQ4&t=229s

>>6040434
Romero is just annoying. Between his bombastic announcements to the press and the internet, his utter disregard for feasibility, him slacking off and breaking keyboards instead of working, he made life a nightmare for everybody in the team. I mean, I knew all of this already but the intensity of that behavior is downright absurd. But I still feel some sympathy for him. Sure, he's a massively incompetent manager but unlike Plato's idea guy he could at least code, was widely recognized as an excellent mapper, and it's telling that id went south after Quake. He's not mean and I wish Daikatana was a success story.
American is whatever.
Sandy should have brought Adrian with him.

Like Sega, id was a fluke of history and wasn't meant to exist outside the early 90s boom. I don't know, I feel bitter now.

not bait

>>6040434
>John Carmack is retarded
I mean say what you want about the guy but his net worth probably means he doesn't give a shit.

>>6040442
Well even as the wandering bum he'd be if he didn't meet Romero he still wouldn't.

>>6040446
Yea but the dude's been making bank for 25 years, so to call him retarded is a bit dumb.

>>6040434
I get what you mean but Carmack is still a pretty clever dude.
But he suffers from the same autism some high level coders suffer.
It's really telling on the Rogan interview.

If only pure spirit could spring games into life but for now it does not.

Maybe one day in the future where normal people know high level coding like we know how to read and write we will be a bit more free from the autismo coder\ idea guy romero paradigm in games.

For now we need both. Dont we?

>>6040454
I don't want to condemn him, I'm just stating my opinion as a nobody. It's neither dumb nor smart.
>>6040460
I tried to initiate my early teenage cousins to code but they show no interest at all. Even when coding will be easily accessible I'm not sure it'll be embraced by the masses. They just want to Minecraft square houses.

my dad likes to play doom with infinite ammo and fast monsters, is that based or crimes?

>>6040490
What difficulty does he play on?

games are made so we can enjoy ourselves, if he has fun, he is doing everything right

>>6040490
cheats and modding were blessed by the Fouding Fathers of Doom, so it's based

>>6040434
>Tom Hall is useless
Tom Hall is why Doom has teleporters.
Tom Hall is why Doom has flying enemies.
Tom Hall is why Doom was on Phobos and Deimos
Tom Hall did a bunch of the early drafts for maps which Sandy Petersen and John Romero finished, which would end up being some of the best maps of Doom and Doom 2.

Tom and iD grew apart with the development of Doom, but that doesn't mean he didn't do important stuff when he was there. He also did Rise Of The Triad, which is like Wolfenstein 3D but a hundred times more fun.

>Was he THAT irreplaceable?
Yes. Nobody else was making an optimized texture mapped 2.5D engine that could run on 1993 computers, nobody else was making an optimized fully 3D engine which was all software, no hardware acceleration, in 1996.
Ultima Underworld was a texturemapped 2.5D game that came out before Doom, but it ran like shit on computers at the time, Terminator Future Shock was a software 3D game in 1995 which was incredibly forward thinking, but had an incredibly short view distance, because otherwise framerate would be shit. Doom and Quake don't just run and perform much better, they're much better games thanks to the team of designers who used his engine.

>I know id was built on the Legend of Carmack but Epic, Valve and 3D Realms showed themselves to be dangerous competitors even with less advanced engines.
Epic had Tim Sweeney, who actually is a fucking good programmer, but he was driven to abject apathy looking at Carmack's progress, Valve had Gabe Newell, and they built Half-Life on an engine based on Quake's, which they licensed, and Duke Nukem 3D is an amazing game, but was really just polish and detail on an older engine, and not cutting edge at the time.

Carmack made advanced engines which were optimized in ways other games were not, which gave them a good headstart with 2.5D and 3D games.

games are made so we can challenge ourselves, if he's taking it easy, he is doing everything wrong

So is wrath on the list of retro FPSs yet

>>6040503
Ha. Good one. There has never been a game that doesn't just come down to pushing buttons in a certain order and timing. What challenge is there in moving your thumb a couple of millimeters up and down? Games aren't challenging. They can be beaten by a very basic machine programmed to tap buttons.

>>6040492
idk, i guess UV

>>6040501
Dont forget the dark engine from Thief.
It was actually made at the same time as quake 95 to 96 although it came a year later.

However it did have longer loading times than Quake.

>>6040501
I forgot about the teleporters. I remember that almost everything from Hall was scrapped so I stopped considering him post-Wolfenstein.
If you can keep Carmack you should of course keep him, I just wanted to question his irreplaceability in the case of the deep divide in id during the development of Quake. I don't object that Carmack was an incredible coder, but the terrible atmosphere he instilled after the departure of Romero killed the magic of id in my opinion. I'd choose primitive over generic, but given the fate of Ion Storm neither choice was good.

i've found that High noon drifter + aracnocide enemies is a really good mod combo (doom).
does anyone else here have som good mod synergies they would like to share?

>>6038021
Anyone know good Doom 2 mod that feels like going through a medieval-style hellscape or like going through Dante's cycles of Hell?
I know that the original Doom 1 Hell levels felt kinda like it, but I want something that goes all-out and has all of the Hellish Medieval symbolism and everything.

>>6040434
isn't tom hall one of the reasons why wad files are a thing?
in an interview/let's play with bobby prince, he felt bad he wasn't in the credits screen

>>6040610
He just came up with the name.

>>6040416
uh

>>6040591
hellforged

>>6039774
What's Vagary then? And pic related?

I thought the demonic/cultist skins in Doom 16's MP looked cool and i wondered if anyone has ever done anything with these models for mods.
Like, the head with 3 mouths being a giant flying head enemy like a Cacodemon or even a Heretic Iron Lich.
A shame these assets may vanish, like the ones from QC.

>>6040658
at least half of those are perfectly valid

I dont know why but the bullet holes and slashes in GMOTA seem to be reversed for me. Using ZDoom 2.8 because I'm running a potato computer that cant handle new OpenGL

>>6039616
Seriously, that's way too Giger. Where's the self-expression?

>>6040434
Now, the thing is that Carmack *was* an asshole but he's really grown up since then. He learned how to appreciate other people, especially since he got a son. Romero however is still very much stuck in the past.

>>6040669
>Using ZDoom 2.8 because I'm running a potato computer that cant handle new OpenGL
Have you tried LZDoom? It means "legacy gzdoom" and uses the old GL renderer but post-zdoom scripting features and whatnot

Whatever became of them, I wonder?

>>6040709
They yiffed in hell

kinofabino's humor reminds me of dasharez0ne but with fps references

>>6040618
Not quite what I am looking for, but it's actually very close to it, I like it. Thanks for the recommendation.

https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/73426-share-your-sprites/?page=21&tab=comments#comment-2049342

>>6040542
If you want more HND, you can use the Drifter Patch that Term made for Strange Aeons with the SA Monster pack and it works just fine. You just have to delete the monster pack's music folder, and the mapinfo.txt from the Drifter Patch.

Not sure what maps this might be good with other than Rylayeh.

>>6039343
So?

What's the best way to play Blood?

Also what is wrong with Duke Nukem Megaton edition?

>>6038021
Doom or Heretic but you attack with music.

>>6040618
>>6040789
Okay never mind, I played it right now. It's almost exactly what I was looking. The only thing I wish was different were more varied deformed style demon designs instead of variations of the doom demons, but beggers can't be choosers, I am still glad I found this. Thanks anon.

I bet the guy that makes these threads has no life whatsoever.

>>6040923
Golden Souls 2 has the trumpet gun.

Is there a version of Extermination Day without the bogus BD requirement?

>>6040658
Those are roughly half bullshit and half valid

>>6039774
Most of the demons in Doom are visibly masculine men, what the fuck are you talking about?
They don't have dicks drawn on them (there's mods for that), but those are mostly male bodies.

>>6040669
Really wish I could figure out how to fix this.

>>6040952
Unironically I'm curious, it must be damn funny lol.

>>6039245
Fuck, i just realized the issue. Your starting weapon has infinite ammo. So instead of just letting you have plenty of ammo for the actually good guns, they expect you to periodically switch back to the piece of shit peashooter to conserve it. This is why infinite ammo pistols are a shit idea.

Alrite guys, best way to play Doom/Heretic/Hexen/Strife on the go:

Is it phone with a bluetooth controller?
Modded PSP or DS?
Something else?

>>6038021
>play quake
>shotguns are useless
>nailgun are useless
>now the grenade launcher is useless

How do i change that ?

(plis, no git gud )

>>6041017
Literraly git gud,but the rocket launchers the best weapon though

>>6040971
It's somewhere on idgames NSFW archive, I can't remember what it was called, maybe it was Doom Uncut or something.
It was slightly crude, but the Imp's dick slapping left and right as they walk towards you is a pretty good visual touch.

>>6041017
shamblers are explosion resistant, but beyond that you're just going to have to git gud.

>>6041017
Use normal shotgun for picking off weaker enemies at long range, use double barrel for crushing knights and other weak enemies at close range.
Nailgun is good for ending wizards, super nailgun is good for damn near anything, especially if you're quadded out.
Use grenades on idiot monsters in weird locations and to splatter zombies, but really when you get your mitts on the rocket launcher the grenade launcher becomes less useful

>>6039995
>splash damage
All of 5 feet. It takes 3-4 rockets head on to kill a revenant. When there are 10 revs, 10 mancubis, 30 pain elementals 3 archviles, a horde of cacos and 3 cyberdemoms running around it does absolute fucking jack. It doesn't feel like a rocket launcher, it's literally "on par" with a double barreled shotgun at close range.

>>6038545
>git gud award
Imagine all the shitters getting shattered

>>6041052
>It takes 3-4 rockets head on to kill a revenant
No it fucking doesnt lol
Two hits with a rocket launcher and theyre dead
Unless you mean only with splash damage... but then why would you say "head on"

>>6041017
>shotguns are useless
Quake doesn't give you the generosity that Doom has where excess pellets keep going if less than all of them were needed to kill a monster, with that in mind, the regular Shotgun is also not your shotgun tier weapon, so to say.
The Shotgun is your pistol tier weapon, and it actually has a lot going for it in that regard, it fires fast, it has a spread, but a tight one, so it's actually rather decent at medium to long ranges, you can find yourself outranging a monster and you can just plink away at him with your Shotgun, and works faster on him than you'd think, given the tight spread. Ammo is also plentiful, too.
The Super Shotgun has the really wide spread that Doom accustoms you to, which has its uses, for one it can be used to fight two enemies who are side by side, it can be used for more easily fighting the leaping Fiend demons up close, and it can actually be used to fight Shamblers with some ease, if you have a good corner/pillar and know how to bait his melee strikes, it doesn't have quite the same power as in Doom, with the lack of overpenetration, but it does still pack a punch at close ranges, and is pretty fast.

>nailgun are useless
The base Nailgun isn't a lot to cheer about, but it's something, the Super Nailgun does double damage and sounds like thunder, this is one of the best weapons for fighting Shamblers with, particularly with Quad Damage, high DPS and no resistance.

>now the grenade launcher is useless
The Grenade Launcher is pretty pitiful given it's impotent range, but it's more just a tool for you to dispatch of zombies with. You get the Rocket Launcher later, which is basically like Doom's, range, high rate of fire, and power, except you can rocket jump and aim freely.
Mind Shamblers take half damage from explosives, so save this ammo for other beasts.

Also make sure to exploit any Quad Damage as much as you can, if you run out of enemies, hurry to find more so you can kill them before the powerup runs out

>>6041058
I don't know what game you're "playing" but in doom's shitty RNG damage mechanic you'd be lucky to kill a revenant with 2 rockets 5 times out of a hundred.

>>6041052
>It takes 3-4 rockets head on to kill a revenant
Practice your artillery marksmanship, those are not dead on hits, I don't think Doom's RNG will ever give you odds that shitty.

>>6041052
>3-4 rockets head on to kill a revenant
more like reliably 2, 3 once in a blue moon. I can reliably kill revenants with two super shotgun blasts, which are each roughly the same as a rocket WITHOUT splash damage. This is you being new to the game and making stupid mistakes, this is not the actual statistics of the game.

>>6040419
Source lol?

>>6041063
something must be fucked with your game. revenants go down in two hits the vast majority of the time. Either fix your game or git gud fucktard

>>6041073
No. Fuck revenants. Fucking skeleton fucks.

>>6041082
Why so agitated?

>>6041085
You're one of THEM aren't you??

>>6041086

>>6040209
>are the expansions worth buying?
No, Quake 2 is a tech demo.
Also they should be in the mega.

>>6041091
Quake 2 has a slow start, but gets pretty decent a few hours in. Quake 1 is a lot better though.

>>6041091
quake 2 is underrated

>>6041089

>>6041071
https://twitter.com/slappycromwell/status/1007337802202218496

>>6041052
>>6041063
>>6041082
If you spent half the amount of energy you're using in being mad at video games and instead used to get better, you'd be fine, because even my dumb ass and horrid accuracy can kill revs with two rockets. I only got a single rev that needed three

https://twitter.com/nadimcomics/status/1120153048226181125

Welp, the mega is just about full. Got a warning that I was at 14.88GB out of 15GB just after I uploaded Dusk.
Probably gonna sort everything, ReDL it, and then make a torrent in a little bit.

>>6038021
>http://buildgamedosboxlaunchers.weebly.com/
it's dead to me

>>6039540
shotgun and rockets and you will be fine basically until the last boss, then you will regret not taking the keys

has there been a comic about how the bfg works ingame, where doomguy misses a bfg shot and an imp laughs at him before he suddenly gets zapped by the bfg tracers, for simply being close enough to doomguy?

post kino art

>>6041457
I saw a face of pure agony ontop of Doomguy's helmet

Here's a torrent for the mega!
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Please seed!
I do plan on starting another mega folder for any future additions soon.

>>6041471
kek

>>6040946
>>6040664
Which would be?

>>6041535
>forced damage
>more interconnected
>easy spots to cheese/camp
>not enough ammo
>remove barons
>make sure you have permission and credits
>custom enemies are usually annoying & poorly thought-out

Been retrying Eternal Doom today. Oddly, it seems like the level design gets a lot simpler as it goes on. The first few levels feel brutally difficult just to progress though with constant required secrets. But map 5 and on have been quite fun and action-packed.

Why do difficulty gatekeepers all play on ultra-violence?

>>6041585
I always play on UV but I don't mind what difficulty people play on. Doom is doom.

>>6041589
It's a weird niche of doomers that seem to seethe about casual players selecting HMP instead of UV. It's just really silly to me, these same doomers refuse to play on NM because "it's too unfair". Nightmare isn't even that hard, it just requires a different playstyle.

>>6041601
Yeah, it's best to disregard those guys, they have no chill and are just looking for an excuse to pick petty fights over stupid shit.

>>6041604
O shit what UNF

>>6041457

>>6041604
sounds like something some kind CASUAL who plays on HMP or even ITYTD would say
how DARE you
ill have you know im MUCH more self-important than YOU will ever be

>>6040915
Dook Megaton has wonky mouselook, a few framerate problems and it doesn't work at anything higher than 1440p. It was best as a legal way to get the files for Eduke32 if you care about that.

>>6040915
BloodGDX or Nblood.

>>6041554
Credit I can understand, but asking for permission on something years old?

Im doom

>The events of Final Doom and Doom 64 turned the OG Doomguy into this

for me, its crispy doom

>>6041457

>>6041585
>>6041589
>>6041601
Whats even funnier is that these people who are "UV or bust", also tend to be the ones who complain about wads being too hard or slaughtery the most.

>>6040649
that's not from doom, I don't know which game it's from

>>6039774
>>6040952
and the spider mastermind is female, you can tell because she has half the hitpoints of the manly goat demon with callipygian glutes

>>6041647
whats the difference between the two

>>6041687
just play prboom+ you fat hipster fuck, it's 99.9% vanilla accurate

>>6041457
>>6041627
stop shillling beth's games FOR FREE /v/edditors
they might pay you for it

>>6041717
it's coke vs pepsi, normal people use both

>>6039542
CRUDUX CRUO!

>>6041731
thanks for the technical breakdown :)

but yeah idk i know gdx uses like java or some weird ass shit but idk anything about Nblood

>>6040669
It's not great, anon, but I at least reduced those nasty black boxes, it's kinda ugly but it's not hideously distracting, right?

>>6041740
Nblood is based off of eduke32 while GDX is it's own thing. They both take some stuff from leaked alpha source code.

>>6041740
GDX
>better mod support
>custom difficulty
>bugfixes to original code (option)
>java VM libGDX as the name implies

Nblood
>3 times faster software renderer performance
>no updates so you have to compile your own exe if you want the latest version
>may or may not be slightly glitchier

bottom line: both are perfectly fine as soft drinks go, I prefer doctor pepper

>>6041747
>hideous distractor

>>6041875
Would that be a faux-realism mod where you just annoy monsters on end?

>>6041892
No, it's a mod where you get on-screen push notifications (with a cheery noise and vibration sound) when you're running low on ammo, pick up a key, find a secret, walk 5km..

someone should remake Blood in the GldSrc engine.

>>6041585
Most maps tend to be made and balanced around UV so it seems sensible to default on that. I would prefer if HMP was the default and then UV is the optional extra difficult mode but from my own mapping experience balancing difficulties often gets far less attention.

>>6041457
God I fucking HATE the nu-doom suit

It literally looks like mid 90's edgy comic book shit. Doomguy is becoming spawn

>>6041679
No way nigger. Don't even joke about it

>>6041926
Some megawads do a decent job of keeping at least HMP somewhat balanced, even if they balanced UV first. And Ribbiks actually balances his maps on HMP first, and then adds to UV afterwards.
But I don't think I've seen any wads that actually do a good job at keeping all difficulties well balanced. HNTR too often either gets babied too much that all the interesting encounters are completely gutted, or its too similar to HMP that it might aswell have been neglected entirely. Even the iwads are guilty of this at times.

>>6042090
some fake leaker said that he is ranger, cuz axe and ssg.

>>6042079
Spawn's more elegant. The retardedly overdesigned Slayer suit is laughably amateurish in comparison.

>>6042079
>It literally looks like mid 90's edgy comic book shit.
And that's not a good thing?

>>6042181
It isn't if you're not tired or regurgitating the same thing for 30 years

>>6042189
Fair enough. But the 90s edgy art-style has been dead for most of the 2010s and late 2000s.

>>6042201
have you considered that there might be a reason for it?

>>6042204
Not this anon, but because Image Comics was shit and bikinis and spikes lack personality.
But nu-Doom doesn't take itself seriously, and edge isn't bad when there's more than that. See how anime suddenly became laughable when the blood and pain was removed.

>>6041720
maybe it's something with my pc but mouse control on prboom+ feels weird compared to crispy doom and most other ports

>>6042204
Probably because most of the people that used that style were hacks like Leinfeld and whatnot and made the style look ugly as hell. Plus the 90s was the era when writers got high off cocaine and took themselves too seriously or were arguing over autism, look at the Spider-Man Clone Wars Saga for instance. It was less the style that was at fault and more the lack thereof of substance.
Also what >>6042216 said

>>6042219
Disable "Enhance pointer precision" in the options of the mouse driver. Check if you have mouse smoothing/accelreration or something like that enabled in prBoom. Check if you have your framerate capped.

>>6041679
Nah that's actually BrutalDoomguy.
Or any other fanfic tier doomguy that deviates from the original.

To me Praetor Suit looks like "let's make most generic blend of hightech and medieval"
In my opinion the real armor of the future should not have visible seams/gaps/joints or extra protrusions - it should be slick, seamless and insulated, and may be a bit on the angular side visually.

doom 2016 more like zoom 2016

>>6042250
I don't get it.

>>6042245
Yeah, I am still not a fan of the Praetor suit and it arguably remains my least favorite Doomguy design. However the new Praetor suit in Eternal is starting to grow on me.

>>6042245
Medieval? That's just the Marine from Starcraft with a less cute head

>>6042245
But the slick aethestic prides itself on its soullessness. You could even call the coming back of edginess as a reaction against the DX3 muh abstract angles art direction.
And if anything, our present is more about self-expression than corporation conformity. If you want to go further, it's possible that in the future every design would be the fork of a fork of a fork. The slick Apple crap is sickening, inhuman, and definitely something to smash rather to wear.

>>6042079
>It literally looks like mid 90's edgy comic book shit
The exact era of Doom, Doom 2, and Quake? Seems reasonably suitable to me, even if that's not quite the aesthetics of the original games, strictly.

>>6041457
sure

>>6042289
Never has a more succinct post been made for own poster's lack of value

>>6042294

>>6042302

>>6042309

>>6042325
And finally, an expression sheet.

>>6042245
>it should be slick, seamless and insulated, and may be a bit on the angular side visually.
I'm really hoping this is a joke meant to dig at shit like the tesla cyber truck, and not your honest opinion. I've had enough of sterile "future" aesthetic. For all the problems the praetor suit has, at least it is not the tiresome "look at how sleek and angled the FUTURE is" crap that got popular for a while. Doom is a game about goring demons in a techno-hellscape. The art style should be brutal and somewhat exaggerated, not trying to replicate what people think the future will "really" look like.

>>6042342
>not trying to replicate what canadian devs from 2009 think the future will "really" look like
fixed for you

Do you guys prefer the balancing of Coper Quake or vanilla if you were to replay it?

>>6042284
Once I stick the classic coloured skin on it I think it'll be pretty much perfect

>>6042163
>retardedly overdesigned Slayer suit
Retardedly overdesigned would be like Darksiders or something, the Slayer suit isn't that bad at all.

>the Slayer suit isn't that bad at all

>>6041585
I tend to play the iwads on UV, because they're easy, but often play pwads on HMP, maybe even HNTR if it's one I hear is particularly challenging.

Difficulty levels exist for a reason though, pick what you figure suits you best.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1191833224118452224

>>6042289
>DX3
the fuck is that
>The slick Apple crap
I never said anything about "slick apple crap"
"Slick" does not mean "curves all over the place"

In reality seams, visible joints and material transitions are potential weakness points, and would be eventually eliminated in the refinement of the design, resulting in an armor that covers every angle with equal amount of protection while having as litle seams as possible (preferrably none).
Imagine something like picrelated modern armor, but made entirely out of flexible metal.

However generic sci-fi usually attempts to pronounce tech advancement as "extra complexity" and so they pile on extra parts, joints, seams and knickacks allover the place, which ends up looking overdesigned, which is the reason why Praetor Suit looks like it does.

>>6042342
What I tried to convey is that straight surface is simpler and cheaper to manufacture from industrial standpoint than a curved one, thus in every place where the curvature is suficiently low, it would be made into a flat surface instead, namely parts of the leg, shoulder, chest, and back areas, resulting in slightly pronounced angular transitions between curved and flat surfaces, which would be made more noticable due to being in contrast to overall seamless design.
>>6042294
>>6042302
>>6042309
>>6042325
>>6042331
what in the flying fuck
this drawfag sure has issues
i like muscular girls, but that's just retarded
and I don't think anyone could even move with any sort of agility being that musclebound, not to mention handle equipment lol.

didnt read dont care

>>6042389
The point you seem to be missing is that Doom isn't hard sci-fi. It's not trying to replicate reality. Going "oh, this is what future equipment would really look like" isn't really a valid criticism in this context, because that's not what Doom is about. Hell, the armor in Doom features zero arm protection. A valid criticism would be "the suit has too many little details that make the overall design way too busy." That actually applies in this context. But the last thing Doom should be worried about is trying to ensure its art design fits the tenants of realistic practicality.

>>6042389
DX3 is just Deus Ex 3.
The whole unified flexible armor goes totally against Doom's metalhead ambience, and if such a design was presented back at E3, it would have been slammed and ignored by everybody.
Besides, it's not as if there was a efficiency reason behind the 2016 design. The Praetor armor like many others mimicks muscular anatomy with no practical goals whatsoever. If you're in the future and able to make the perfect unified armor, the logical next step is to spice it with design.
And anyway this kind of design is old and past its time, it got old faster than a Liefeld scribble.

>>6042414
>>6042416
I'm not talking about "hard sci-fi". I'm talking about how generic scifi almost invariably results in overdesigned shit that never looks good.

>>6040336
go to doomworld or that gzdoom site. this board is for nothing but shits and few giggle.

>>6042357
I agree

>>6042294
>>6042302
>>6042309
>>6042325
>>6042331
I am going to FUCKING puke

>>6042181
In 2020 having a design look like the WORST of the 90's is not a good thing, no.

wasn't there a period of time when artists were making "humanizations"/gijinka of doom textures, props and items?

>>6042425
Okay, so you were just using Doom as a vehicle into your tangent about sci-fi art in general? Do you see how your original post was confusing? You start by criticizing the praetor suit design, then go into what you think real future armor should look like. It really sounds like you're saying Doomslayer's armor should be designed in a "realistic" fashion.

>>6042449
>Slayer suit looks like *the worst* of the 90s
No it fucking doesn't. The Slayer suit is fairly detailed, maybe slightly more than necessary, but it's not hopelessly cluttered and covered in pouches and gadgets all over, it's consistent and easy to read visually, your eyes don't stray all over the thing.

You really are completely goddamn dishonest if you think that it's equatable to any of the worst designs of Youngblood or other excesses of Rob Liefeld, it looks quite restrained next to them.

Don't know why that was spoilered.
Looking at the Doom Eternal suit, it's a bit more cluttered, but again barely comparable to Rob Liefeld drawing Cable on average.

>>6042468
Yeah, can we bring that back please?

>>6042357
Since it’s basically confirmed that they’re reusing the Doomguy skin from Quake Champions, but with the arm blade and cannon added, I can’t wait to see it too.

>>6041720
>animations broken as fuck
>disgusting lighting and graphics
>disgusting high res
>innacurate as fuck

>>6041720
>also not updated in decades
fuck prboom-plus, its fucking garbage

>>6042515
>>6042509
I think the suit's primary problem is just too many ridges, bumps, and vents all over the place. Like why do the shins have those layered ridges down their entire surface when shins don't bend? It needs larger, unbroken surfaces and probably more contrast between its different hues. While you're correct that it's not awful, the overall shapes that make up the design are still a bit too difficult to make out.

What I think Doom is lacking in Nu doom and now Eternal is the promise of something really simple, like what the classic doom logo seems to hold and lets you mind wander.

That weird dark cyber style, with foreboding shading and future megastructures blending with hellish nightmares.

The best artists of 80s and 90s knew how to do it, and we still have some who do know it but overall game development is full of really lame artists and it was never exactly easy to perfectly emulate a style when the engine you are working has restrictions or just its own nature.

>>6042539
To me the real Doom art and world lives in the logo, if I am making sense.

And not even the original game could do it exactly right.

>>6042490
Doomslayer armor being overdesigned is a direct result of the artists following the common trend in generic sci-fi that tries to pass "more parts and complexity lol" as "futuristic", because they can't think of any other way to visualise the concept of "high tech"
And thus it ends up looking like another random "spacemarine armor #371"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t5wxTQnsVo

Okuplok 2: Electric Boogaloo will start in 45 min

>>6042079
I can tell it makes you foam at the mouth, and that's not a good thing at all. You shouldn't have this much animosity for an image on the internet.

>>6042573
Wow Notch in the chat, donated a zillion dosh to decino

>>6041601
nightmare has chances to actually break the game, though

>>6041679
considerin doom slayer's praetor suit is technically a doomguy armor and both the marauder and the holographic king in the trailer have praetor armor that doesn't resemble the doomguy armor like the slayer
making marauder or even that king the og doomguy sounds dumb
for that to work, even the night sentinel people could have used an actual doomguy armor

So question, what the fuck happened to FreeDoom? Before it looked and played like this abandoned, cancelled doom clone which I thought gave it a fuckton of soul (pardon the buzzword but I have no other idea how to describe it) and identity and then the new updates with RayMooHawk's redesigns (which are great artistically, don't get me wrong!) come along, and suddenly the entire game just looks like every other generic FLOSS game.

Maybe it's rose tinted goggles or something but I personally think Freedoom was at it's best at version 0.7 for Freedoom 2. There was so much fucking weird shit that's antithetical to Doom's fast paced gameplay like the environmental storytelling or fleshed out buildings that'd show up randomly in levels like Map10, or the one Citadel map where you loop around it, and the next map is a huge castle that got raised from the ground, and it was all awesome.

Now it's all mostly good, but it's very basic good stuff.

>>6041708
>>6041589
>>6041585
I think gatekeeping is fucking stupid as shit conceptually personally. All it does is make you look like a huge sperglord who no one takes seriously or listens to and if anything is more inherently destructive to a medium than "casualization" ever will be.

I play pretty much every wad on UV, first time or not, not because I'm good, but because I'm bad and I enjoy the thrill of clawing my way up after being constantly knocked down. In my opinion, that's doom at it's most engaging. Even if I die repeatedly at a level, the thrill of constantly having to fight to press on just to have to do it all over again keeps me engaged like nothing else. My first playthrough of Plutonia was on UV and it was exhilarating. People who swear by UV as if it's some standard people should adhere to are total retards. Let people play doom however the fuck they want. It's so moddable that you can turn it into almost any experience you want now. There's no "defacto" way to play it other than whatever is most fun for you.

>>6041601
Nightmare can be hard as shit though, because it can change the gameplay contrary to the intended designs of the map.
Some Final Doom levels have been thought to be not feasible to do on Nightmare, until recent years when particularly skilled players did.

ZeroMaster doing a full no-death Nightmare run on Plutonia is not par for the course, he's considered exceptionally good to be able to have done that.
Now go do a full run on Alien Vendetta on Nightmare, and tell me it's easy.

>>6042539
>80s & 90s

fuck that, we need to go farther

>>6042156
is it the one that said in the end hayden would meet up with demons wearing suits?

>>6042658
>I think gatekeeping is fucking stupid as shit conceptually personally.
While some people take it too far, leaving your walls completely open for any retarded miscreant to come in will just lead to the degeneration of whatever community you're in.

>>6042509
That's not the Eternal suit though that I'm talking about. See the post below yours

>Giant cringe boots
>Giant cringe Gauntlets with extra edgy blade and spikes
>Exposes arms for no reason

It's shit mate

Is there a list somewhere of linedef actions that monsters can trigger?
I know of GR door open stay, and wr lift lower wait raise.

>>6042664
>wayno barlowe
him and beksinski could work as inspirations for doom art direction
i think beksinski inspired 2016's hell but it didn't felt like it

it amazes me how a great many in this general simultaneously dislike brutal doom and like doom 2016
you have to be some form of a delusional moron to simultaneously hold these two opinions

>>6042749
Nah

>>6042749
listen to people's opinions that aren't bait before jumping to hypocrisy accusations
if anything, most would argue that glory kills could have been better executed
and that brutal doom's problems aren't the fatalities but the retarded balance and poor code
stuff like "reloading bad" is bullshit from either tryhards pretending to be elitists or bait when people that hate the mod here like hideous desctructor
brutal doom's actual problems are ignored over the less usefull criticism being more popular but it's not like most people misunderstand the main reasons for something being good or bad
duke nukem forever was a good example when people just jumped to "heh maybe duke just was never good"

>>6041061
A BIG problem of Quake is that the weapons simply don't feel as "punchy" and devastating as their Doom counterparts (except the peestol). It's telling that most Doom mods/WADs work toward making the guns even more powerful and punchier than they are in the original game. Aesthetics matter.

The guns of doom appeal to smooth brain boomers incapable of switching weapons.

>>6042815
But you switch weapons in Doom all the time. Weapon segmentation is also another important aspect of gameplay.

>>6042819
Weapon switching in quake is instant and effortless, weapon switching in doom is a moment of weakness and a tactical choice.

>>6042294
absolute fuckin unit, she puts even rich piana to shame

>>6042749
I came to these threads because of brutal doom making me realize all the other good doom mods, and I never cared for Doom much back in the day. Or even today I dont care about Doom.

My love for fps started with Unreal Quake, Thief, and mostly Build games.

>>6042824
Yes, and?

>>6042831
One promotes fluid gameplay, the other stagnant. This should be apparent to you if you weren't half braindead.

>>6042529
>>6041720
Am I the only one who really hates that there's only 32 channels in prboom+? Its not so bad on the IWAD maps, but most modern boom maps have hundreds and hundreds of monsters scattered everywhere. So sounds are constantly cutting eachother off, you can never hear your pain grunts, it just sounds horrible.

>>6042837
Oh, fuck off. You just have to maneuver a bit more behind cover to switch weapons if you're playing Doom and play more carefully, you pedantic fucking faggot.

>>6038552
To be fair, Plutonia is a genuinely difficult WAD to beat without savescumming on UV difficulty and so is Sigil. Most people aren't skilled enough to make beating these WADs trivial on the second hardest skill setting in Doom and I find it very peculiar that /vr/ thinks this is some big flaw.

Now, whether or not Sigil or Plutonia's extreme difficulty on UV should be held against them or not is a different question. Quite a few people have certain expectations built up about how difficult a doom WAD "should be" based off of the level of difficulty in the original two Doom games on UV.

SCREENSHOT SATURDAY MOTHERFUCKERS. TIME TO SHOW US WHAT YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON, MAPS, MODS, SPRITES? FUCKING STEP UP AND SHARE.
ALSO CACOWARDS IS LIKE 10 DAYS AWAY

>>6041061
>>6042806
We really don't have enough Quake weapon mods.
There was one that just added altfires to every gun, but all the links are dead
Then there's what AD adds, Quake 1.5 and Slayers Redemption, and that's it.

I want a Quake mod that makes all the redundant weapons (basic shotgun, nailgun and GL) to be altfires of their "big brothers" and then add new guns with new altfires in their slots.

>>6042894
I think I will try to slowly make a Parasite Eve 2 weapon mod.

>>6042696
This, a community really needs to expect *some* standards out of newcomers, and they should adapt to them if they want to fit in.
New thinking can be good though, which is why Doom has remained fresh for over 25 years.

>>6042717
The blade is there for a reason, you actually do use it, the exposed arms and stomach is to play at classic Doom. The boots and gauntlets aren't markedly different. Also it's again far from the ridiculous excesses and bad designs which you could see in the worst of 90s comic book art.

I'll say I like the first Doomslayer suit better though.

>>6042875
>Quite a few people have certain expectations built up about how difficult a doom WAD "should be" based off of the level of difficulty in the original two Doom games on UV.
I think that's completely flawed reasoning, UV is the hardest setting intended in most cases, so the author is open to make it as hard as they see fit. That was the point with Plutonia, to be more challenging for people who thought Doom 2 was too easy, and it did that perfectly.

People who always expect difficulty closer to Doom and Doom 2 should adjust their expectations, and they should either improve, or they should accept that they want to play on lower skill levels and swallow their inflated pride. Again, the difficulty settings are there for a good reason.

>>6042806
I can't say I agree fully, the super nailgun and rocket launcher feel very mighty and satisfying.

has anyone tried played hexen with 3 slots for each character at the same time?

>>6042539
>>6042542
Holy FUCK I am desperate for a game with an art-style like that.

>>6042664
This too, but I kinda feel Doom 2016 went pretty close to it. But still, with all that stuff going on I'd like to see more of that.

>>6042717
I automatically agree with you because you drop the word "cringe". Very eloquently put, 10/10. Should write a book with it in the title.

>>6042717
what a
>Giant cringe
post

>>6042717
>Giant cringe boots
can't stomp in skeleton faces with tims right?

>Giant cringe Gauntlets with extra edgy blade and spikes
hellforged edgy shit.

>Exposes arms for no reason
IT'S FUCKING CANON

>>6042923
You might find it to be flawed reasoning, but the expectations were set by ID Software themselves when they made Doom 1 and Doom 2. I personally am not surprised or all that upset when people call foul about maps like Plutonia or Sigil being too difficult for them when they play it on the skill setting that the two WADs that everyone played when they first started playing Doom.

Don't get me wrong, I understand your point here, but you really should consider bitching at Romero or Carmack first and foremost. They would be the ones who set the precedent that UV was just HMP with more monsters, basically.

Doom is a game about killing demons
UV has the most demons
HMP has less demons
thus by playing on HMP and not UV you are missing out

>>6043138
>not playing on Nightmare
>missing out on INFINITE monsters

Nightmare is the closest to Doom having an official invasion mode

i miss u baby

u were my special boy

>>6043123
>you really should consider bitching at Romero or Carmack first and foremost
It's not their fault some players can't get through their heads that additional content can be made with better skilled players in mind. Should every SMW romhack have the same general difficulty level as SMW? It should be common sense that different wads will have different general levels of difficulty, as they were made for players of differing skill levels. If every wad had the same difficulty curve, players would find them less and less entertaining as their personal skill levels increased from playing wad after wad. Adjustable difficulty levels only compensate for so much. If someone expects every single wad to be just as easy/hard as Doom and Doom II, they're simply being stupid.

Seeing as how people are having arguments over the new suit design, I suppose I can repost my late-night diarrhea in a thread that hasn't reached bump limit and isn't on page 10.

I don't fully see why people don't like the concept of the Praetor Suit. It seems like a natural evolution. You can't have a guy going up against all this crazy shit and be half bare with some standard vest, people would think it was silly. The least he could get is some better protection. Sure, the suit has drawn comparisons to Master Chief, but what did you expect? They're both green space marines, and Halo did green power armor first (I think) and became much more popular with the masses. The average normalfag would be confused if you put them side-by-side. And Eternal's variant has garnered its own criticism too, with people questioning the open arms, the Predator weaponry, and general overhaul.

So, if you don't like the Praetors, why? Are they too overdesigned for the sake of it? Are the color schemes too bland and different from the classic look?
If you could change your dislikes about either design, what would you do?

>>6043157
you are right anon, its a dumb idea to have UV as standard, which was funny as fuck when Sigil came out and Romero made sure that UV is actually hard

>>6042913
I just fucking hope the melee is good enough for the game to do well and maybe we get a modern Hexen revival.
I am sick of playing Dark Messiah again.

>>6043158
I personally dont like the idea of the suit being like a super hero suit. HL did the same thing in 2.

>>6043158
Well for one, I’m not the biggest fan of the red nipple light. I don’t get it. Is it a power source or something? Couldn’t it have been placed in a less silly position? Also, the color scheme doesn’t really match up.
I like the pouches on the 2016 design, it was a nice throwback to the player sprites of the originals, but I think Eternal got rid of them for some reason. Speaking of Eternal, I don’t understand what was going through the heads of the developers when they decided on the Predator gear. Seems so lazy.

>>6043158
Did you miss
>>6038360?

>>6043157
>>It's not their fault some players can't get through their heads that additional content can be made with better skilled players in mind.
It kind of is though, simply because(and I know I'm repeating myself here)they were the ones who set the precedent that UV = HMP + more baddies to shoot.

>>Should every SMW romhack have the same general difficulty level as SMW?
I don't know about the same difficulty, but I do know that the stupidly difficult Mario romhacks tend to be hated by the fanbase and are typically fodder for youtube reaction videos.

>>It should be common sense that different wads will have different general levels of difficulty, as they were made for players of differing skill levels.
Maybe it should be, but that's simply not how it actually works out in reality.

>>If every wad had the same difficulty curve, players would find them less and less entertaining as their personal skill levels increased from playing wad after wad.
It's not about all having the same difficulty curve though, Plutonia for example isn't just somewhat harder then the original two Doom games on UV, it is incredibly harder and was made so as a deliberate design decision by the WAD authors themselves. I suspect that Sigil was designed similarly. When you do stuff like that, you are inevitably going to get a certain amount of negative feedback.

>>Adjustable difficulty levels only compensate for so much. If someone expects every single wad to be just as easy/hard as Doom and Doom II, they're simply being stupid.
Newsflash: People are kinda dumb a lot of the time, especially about stuff that isn't necessary for survival like various forms of entertainment. Again, I don't necessarily disagree with you here, but I do understand why incredibly hard WADs get the reputation they do and why Sigil got a somewhat mixed reception from certain people.

>>6043181
How do you even play Dark Messiah on the modern system? I tried pretty much everything and it crashes with error.

>>6043194
What do you mean? The game works fine.

>>6043138
The problem with this is that stuff like Plutonia, Hell Revealed or Ancient Aliens are insanely difficult on UV, and not everyone likes their games to be that hard.

>>6043143
Turn on the respawning ammo and health pickups option in GZDoom and this isn't an entirely unreasonable idea..

>>6043186
I completely glazed over it, sorry. I'll attribute that to waking up at 4pm.

I understand that point of view. People like the idea of the Doomguy because he's just a... guy. Sure, he can match the speed of a cheetah, carry 8 weapons, tank rocket blasts to the face and whatnot, but that can be chalked up to gameplay design. For the most part, all he does is run-n-gun, he doesn't need some kind of super special suit that was "granted and blessed by the gods" or whatever.

>>6043193
It really looks like you're saying we should blame Id for the general stupidity of people, and not the people being stupid, which I seriously hope isn't the case.

>>6043198
Not him, but I think there's some kinda crash or something before the Boat level when you first emerge from the sewers, you need to change some setting or something or maybe get a fan patch possibly. I dunno for sure though, it's been a while since I played that game Xana best girl

how gay do you need to be to argue about doomguy's suit

>>6043208
i thought some of the new mechanics in the reboot games could still fit in some way in doom without the whole slayer lore
specially since stuff like the shoulder gun sort of resembles a heretic item system

>>6043158
the bing bing wahoo mario shit can fuck off
genuinely thought it was a joke when they were showing off the player doing double jumps and trying to dodge spinning flame pillars, get your own fucking ideas cunts

>>6043215
t. bethesdrone
it sucks and you know it

>>6043210
Nah, I'm mostly saying that people on here shouldn't be shocked that stupidly difficult WADs sometimes get a negative reception and that also this place has a bit of an elitist attitude sometimes. Most of the Doom community probably can't beat Plutonia on UV without quicksaves for example, and also that people who criticize stupidly hard WADs for being too hard are not necessarily wrong in their assessment of said WADs.

>>6043214
I think that also used to happen in old systems now that you mention it. There is modern patch anyway.

>>6043198
>>6043214
I'm on Win10 (can't install 7 because reasons)
and the game doesen't even start - it crashes with an error I can't remember (was trying to play it like 9 months or so ago)

>>6043238
Searched around a bit and seems like a "large dress aware" issue

Search here anon pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Dark_Messiah_of_Might_and_Magic#Large_Address_Aware

I might also reinstall and play, the evil run is very entertaining.

>>6043253
>large dress aware
I too would like to be aware of large dresses

>>6042726
halp, i don't want to build a test map to find out.
also DR door open wait close.

>>6040681
>that's way too Giger
and that's a good thing