/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6032098 Never played dark forces, ANY GOOD?

>>6032104
It was one of the best Doom clones around its time and it's pretty good on its own too. My only gripe with it is its huge sewer level but that's far from being a bad point towards the game, it's just my personal hate towards sewer levels.

>>6032114 I better check it out then, was considering getting it anyway

>>6032117
I don't like chilling e-celebs here but Civvie 11 recently made a video about the game which sparked my wish to replay it. I'd recommend watching the first couple minutes of it to avoid spoiling yourself too much the later levels.

>>6032098
>CEILING TOWERS
Kek now I noticed my mistake. Meant to say turrets.

I had the demo for this game, it was pretty fun. I thought DF 2 was much better, even though I generally liked sprite based fps games better, the level design was better. Still a great game, especially if you played it when it was released, rather than after the sequel was already out.

Bizarrely, the Mac port is the very best version of this game. Or at least, it was the very best commercial release.
Has this game ever been rereleased on more modern 3d engines, like how Doom has gz-doom?

>>6032114
I was about 9 when I played it, and I'd play those first few levels and once that first Dark Trooper showed up I'd NOPE' the fuck away. I should go back to it now I'm not such a pussy.

Rebel Assault II was one of my very first computer games. I remember the jungle hovership chase level being one of the hardest.

>>6032221
I had this game, and man I hated it. Had that nasty FMV "not a real game" feel to it.

>>6032225
Yeah it was style above all else, I haven't played it since probably 1998 but as a kid it was a cool experience.

>>6032198
What's different in the Mac port?

>>6032236
Better graphics than the DOS version.

>>6032098
>Kyle Katarn steals the death star plans
>that's just the first mission

Absolute Mad Lad

>>6032237
So same case as Wolf 3d then. It was good being a Macfag in the 90s

>>6032098
>Retro SW games

TIE-Fighter hands down one of my favorite Star Wars game of all time. Then I find out some crazy motherfucker from /m/ made his own animation about it.

How does Battle for Naboo compare to Rogue Squadrun?

>>6032114
T
t. Civvie 11

>>6032282
It’s pretty good, but not as good.
I remember there being a number of ground and sea vehicles you have to use, so if you don’t enjoy the surface missions it might not be for you. I think it was mostly the same team as Rogue Squadron 1, so you ought to give it a shake.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/dark-forces-a-mod-for-jedi-academy

A mod for Jedi Academy, it's a remake of the first six levels of Dark Forces (up to the detention center). Definitely worth checking it out.

Unfortunately, one of the main devs apparently died of a heart attack, so it's unlikely it's ever going to be finished.

>>6032198
>the Mac port is the very best version of this game
>>6032237
>Better graphics than the DOS version
wrong aspect ratio, crap music
you can keep your 2x res ("better graphics") bro

>>6032669
Such a shame. When they say, "preparing for release" no other update ever again.
And there's no source ports. So only dosbox it is. And it fucking sucks to play on dosbox. I did it this year. And I'll never do it again. The game is fine. But there's no serviceable way to experience the game without issues these days.

>>6032198
>Has this game ever been rereleased on more modern 3d engines, like how Doom has gz-doom?
There's at least XLEngine.

>>6032221
This looks cool.

>>6032970
>And there's no source ports
DarkXL exists

>>6032221
Rebel assault games were rail shooters, sure, but they had the most authentic starwars visuals and music of their era.

https://youtu.be/H7_6FWMFgiI

They had a mix of space combat and "shooting waves of storm troopers" gameplay. The late 90s arcade game was like a more polished version of them.

>>6032985
>looks cool
Precisely. It's pretty much a good-looking (for its time) interactive movie in the form of an on-rails shooter. It's a fun romp to play through once, but has practically zero replayability.

>>6033036
The rebel assault games were important at the time because they used real lucasfilm props and film effects for their FMV scenes. Real storm trooper armor and ship models. It was the first real star wars footage people had seen in a decade. These games came out before the 1997 special edition rerelease and fans were starved for original starwars content. The last "new" star wars they had seen was the 80s ewok tv special.

The live action cut scenes in DF2 were equally well received. This game had the first live action lighsaber footage made by ILM since 1983. In the disney era this means nothing but alt the time this was a huge deal.

>>6033083
>The rebel assault games were important at the time because they used real lucasfilm props and film effects for their FMV scenes. Real storm trooper armor and ship models. It was the first real star wars footage people had seen in a decade. These games came out before the 1997 special edition rerelease and fans were starved for original starwars content. The last "new" star wars they had seen was the 80s ewok tv special.
Very good point, forgot to mention that!

>>6033083
This anon knows what its like to have lived during the Star Wars dark ages.

Dark Forces is from the era when games did unnecessary things simply because it made sense. Now everything is carefully considered so that only what the largest demographic wants will even consider to be implemented. Like, why is the AI's ability to see Kyle dependent on how dark it is around him? It's not a stealth game, it's a shooter, you're supposed to mow down all your opposition. Why would you program a shooter game AI to take darkness into account? The answer is because it makes sense.

>>6032114
Shadows of the Empire had an okay sewer level. Is it still canon that the trash compactor alien is part of a much larger organism?

>>6032129
Is it weird that I understood what you meant without questioning your choice of words just until you posted this?

>>6032221
This game looks fucking incredible.

>>6033002
Maybe but it's not finished and it's not worth using yet. You're better off using Glovepie for decent controls.

>>6033505
Nah, worked just fine enough for a smooth enough playthrough when I last played DF a few years ago. The few bugs and shortcomings that there are at the moment are well worth putting up with for the graphical improvements, proper modern keyboard + mouse controls, etc. YMMV. Purists will off course disagree.

>>6032225
>nasty FMV "not a real game" feel
There needs to be a word for this

>>6032491
Nuuuuu

>>6033643
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interactive_film

The number of times I went through X-Wing and TIE Fighter back in the day. I miss those games so much.

>>6032104
yes

>>6033221
it's a jedi in the new canon
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Omi

How does Rebellion/Supremacy run on windows 10?

>we will never get a rogue squadron 4

>>6033221
>Shadows of the Empire had an okay sewer level.
when you could actually see stuff

>>6033221
yes

>XL engine
>sourceport

>actually recommending it

plebs gonna pleb

>>6035515
Oh wow, I don't remember it being that dark tbqh. Need to replay it soon.

>>6036013
>zoomer contrarian thinks he knows his shit
Ok, zoom zoom, I'll give you a chance. Tell us what is wrong with DarkXL that cannot be easily fixed.

>>6032491
from which game is it ?

>>6032098
unfortunatly newer got a 3DFX version
or may i miss it ?

>>6036628
bombshell

>>6032098
I was getting tempted to try this game out, how well do the default controls work?

>>6037052
I haven't played it in forever but its mouse and keyboard.
So it works just as well as any other PC fps game.

>>6037052
depends on how much of a zoomer you are

>>6037052
The mouse sensitivity has a infuriatingly low cap. The only way I found it playable is is increase sensitivity outside the game, with modified mouse drivers or these days with Dosbox settings. (remembering to revert the config when you're done or all your other games will be messed up.)

>>6036952
>>6036628
Ion Fury

>>6036628
Iron Maiden

>>6036628
Ion Maiden

>>6036603
It's shit. Dumb AI, broken music, glitches galore, crashes, sectors don't behave properly allowing you to skip challenge, lack of properly scaled software mode and midi options. Either fuck off or actually finish it by doing proper disassembly study and steal IMUSE's code from ScummVM or some shit. Until then it's unplayable crap that should be avoided and that is only played by epic sw youtubers that can't deal with 1995 controls.

What's wrong with playing the Playstation version?

>>6032114
The sewer level was so fucking bad that I stopped playing. I couldn't find my way through the brown hole of shit for hours and said to myself "I liked it so far, but this isn't worth it".

Who tf designed that and thought "Ye, this is what we need in our game". It is one of the worst levels in gaming history period.

chuba

>>6034112
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Omi
Followed the citation trail
>https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/From_a_Certain_Point_of_View
>Muh stronk womin stories
>Muh xenophobia
Fucking cancerous garbage

>>6039214
that's how its gonna be from here on out

>>6033132
Anon, nuWars is the dark ages all over again...
Life is suffering.

>>6032263
Otakuking?
https://youtu.be/PN_CP4SuoTU

>get Rougue squadron 3D from gog
>controller support doesn't work
>get kotor 1&2 from gog
>black screen with sounds

>>6033083
This guy gets it. Rebel Assault and Jedi Knight felt like getting new Star Wars movies and it was the tightest shit.

>>6033083
Yeah, but then the Special Editions came out and we wished we didn't have "new" Star Wars content. Then the prequels came out.

Mid 90s, in retrospect, was a great time to be into Star Wars. All those great toys and games, none of the awful cinematic disasters on the scene yet.

>shreds on imperial march

>>6040320
Hell yea, I prefer my shit to be tight....tight as fuck.

>>6040889
I loved this game, still have the disc around here somewhere
>kicking the dust off my boots, sir!

>>6041125
rusty eagle gang rise up

do both the steam and gog versions of rogue squadron 3D have issues working with controllers?

yo, where da sourceport @

>>6041817
if only

>>6041773
I played through episode 1 racer and rogue squadron last year with my DS4, worked great.

>>6042786
oh nice
which verson was that?

>>6043227
Pirated gog installers.

>>6043319
i see, i'll keep that in mind

>>6033083
It's amazing how original content Star Wars games made before the prequels managed to capture the feel of the OT yet still expand the universe in an interesting way. Dark Forces made the Jedi and Sith feel exotic and mysterious while nailing the OT aesthetics, SotE was a fantastic bridge - even Rogue Squadron, though technically released in the prequel era, was conceived and based off the OT feel.

Amazing how mid tier video game companies with writers and designers barely making minimum wage were able to create better stories and aesthetics than millionaire writers and directors and designers. The mid 1990s really was the absolute peak of Star Wars.

>>6032114

Should it be played on it's on or do you recommend some mods?

>>6044037
>soul is the absence of money
>money is the absence of soul

>>6040936
You wouldn't want your shit to be loose, now would you?

>>6032098
is there a source port available? Or do I have to use dosbox

>>6044898
that's deep bro

>>6037841

Nah bro. You need to support game with loud and proud Caucasian males as the main character. Let the feminazis and orcs cry when video games cater to us.

>>6044037
I loved Dark Forces.

They also made the galaxy feel huge and dense.

>>6032225
It kind of was but still fun in a Mad Dog Mcree kind of way. and it was WAY better than the first Rebel Assault

>>6032098

>>6045068
DarkXL. Ignore naysayers, use it.

>>6040889
>attack tank is under attack!

I cannot get into Jedi Outcast. something about the level design is too hap-hazard or something.

Which is weird because Dark Forces II isn't much different in that regard but the levels seem to make more sense.
Like there's a reason you need to run over here to turn on the conveyor and run back to where you were to ride a shipping crate carried by that same conveyor.

But in Jedi Knight 2 it just seems like a switch does a thing on the other side of the huge-ass map for no reason.
Am I crazy?

>>6040889
I remember this one being overly convoluted. Maybe it just wasn't Dune2 enough for my tatses

>>6046332
I remember having the same experience of Outcasts puzzles not really feeling very organic, and its among the reasons I much preferred Academy as well. Although Outcast has the better arena mode IMO.

Jedi Han Solo is the best possible Star Wars character

>>6032104
Very yes.

>>6046334
the game had a number of strange design choices, but i loved fucking around with the random map

>>6046332
I also found Jedi Outcast to be a slog. Didn't help that the story didn't do much to draw me in from the start. I gave up playing it for real early on and just turned on cheats to fuck around with spawning enemies and spamming force powers and shit.

>>6046328
Thanks

The fart awakens

Is it even remotely possible to get this game running on modern machines?

>>6034112
>>6039214
The "New Canon" is magnitudes worse than Legends jesus christ.
Legends had a fame for taking a random character and giving it an epic backstory, but it all made sense like Fleshing out the characters from the Red Squadron, but this shit is LITERALLY taking a random character and giving him a turbo backstory.
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wanten

>to this very day, people are still shilling DarkXL/XLengine despite:
>Broken AI
>Music playback not working properly
>Random crashes and all sorts of bugs that weren't in the original game that too numerous to list
>the author vanishing off the face of the planet.
You might as well just tell them to play the PlayStation port if you want them to have a miserable time. At least that version is more playable (and functional) than DarkXL.

>>6049521
>tfw no sourceport
Just give me vertical mouse aiming fuck

where my YS guys at?

>>6032098
The first FPS game I ever played
>>6032104
Yes

>>6050051
based

>>6038823
I had issues with it when I was a kid, now its pretty easy.
Maybe you should just git gud faggit

>>6044875
There aren't really mods for it. Theres some that add levels but that's about it
Mods are not needed to enjoy it

>>6032491
I appreciate them taking the time to put that in. At least somebody outside of here remembers him

>>6050230
civvie made a video about dark forces, so he might get a couple zoomers to trickle into playing it
or he'll get them to come seethe at /vr/

X-Wind/TIE Fighter bros and gals, where you at?

I really hope Disney makes an animated Star Wars Legends anthology series for Disney+ like what they're doing with Marvel Studios' What If...?.
The first three episodes being feature length adaptations of the Heir to the Empire Trilogy would be kino, let alone episodes based on Dark Forces, KotOR, and many, many more.

>>6032104
One of the best retro FPS games, even compared to Doom or Quake.

>>6032250
That should clue you in to how amazing Kyle Katarn is (or how much of a Mary Sue he is depending on how you look at it).
He stole the Death Star plans in 15 minutes and got out alive while the Rogue One team took an entire movie to do it and they all died.

>>6050528
Kyle farts hard

>>6033643

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Rail_shooters

How do I make Dark Forces 2 run on modern systems? I simply cannot get it work. Also, is Dark Forces 2 worth playing? Literally the only Jedi Knight game I haven't played and there's a huge gap in the lore when I jumped it over during my JK marathon.

>>6051254
I just play the Steam version fine.

JK is great. Just too many samey spaceship levels near the end.

>>6051254
Play the GOG version.
You should also play Mysteries of the Sith.

And visit the PCGamingWiki:
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Jedi_Knight_-_Dark_Forces_II
https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Jedi_Knight_-_Mysteries_of_the_Sith

>>6051701
>You should also play Mysteries of the Sith.
Here's a second opinion. You should not play Mysteries of the Shit.

>>6051254
Turn off all your fancy modern video card settings for the game. Simple things like triple buffering can buttfuck Win95 games.

>>6032098
>>6050528
so is kyle portrayed the way he is in the EU meant to be a running gag about him being an FPS protagonist or was he in something else before dark forces?

>>6052021
Kyle is kind of redundant with the creation of Corran Horn.

>>6052009
here is a third opinion

you should play MotH, I don't have what people have against it.

other than how hard the last levels hard if you didn't get the right force powers; fucking one hit killing panthers

>>6032104

It was fun, but I remember having motion sickness and getting nauseous while playing this as a kid.

>>6050051
This game is so fucking fun.

>>6053240
It made me squirt dookie into my pants.

>>6052369
based

>>6052053
Kyle Katarn invented black. In fact, he invented the entire spectrum of visible light. Except pink. Corran Horn invented pink.

>>6033002
Does it have quicksave?

Unpopular opinion: except on the PC, SW console games mainly sucked asses till the 2000s. Yes, even ports.

>>6051701
Different Anon, but this thread got me to fire up Jedi Knight. Almost anyway, this is all I get?

>>6053728
Download dgvoodoo

>>6053728
turn off 3D Acceleration the the video settings in-game

>>6053726
maybe you’ve never heard of super star wars or rogue squadron

>>6049451
I have been trying to play that game again for years now. There used to be a version on ios, but it's been taken down as well.

Are the SNES Star Wars games supposed to be hard as balls or am I just bad

>>6032221
>>6032225
I had the PlayStation port as a kid. I have no idea if I was better or worse off.

>>6033083
Oh damn, I never thought of it that way. By the time I was in school Episode 1 was already on the way, so I took all the games and the like for granted. That must have been really cool to see back then.

>>6055940
I’m also bad, but yeah they’re pretty hard.

>>6055940
They are bullshit hard.

>>6055953
It was awesome. the Special Edition wouldn't come to theaters until two years later.
Rebel Assault 2 felt like a new, honest to god Star Wars movie. It played like ass but damn it it was magical.