/vr/ - Retro Games

>>6023352
You mean Shovemups? Shove It!

Played a fartload of this on our Win95 machine back in the day.

The best /vr/ block pusher is Mole Mania, but all three Lolo games on NES are also very good.

>>6023352
Pengo
https://youtube.com/watch?v=G6RArgNumqY
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jfTtGWNkbeM

>>6023372
my mouse nigga

>>6023372
Miss this lil nigga like you wouldnt believe.

Little Magic-chan is cute

>>6023417

>>6023352
>Ao
Have any of you guys seem something like this game? Basically you flip a 2x1 brick without letting it fall off. It's actually pretty fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUePbU-t_SE

>>6023426
It's also on SFC

Kickle Cubicle is the peak of this genre.

>>6023352

>>6023352

Kwirk/Puzzle Boy/Amazing Tater

>>6023352
Boxer series

>>6023352
How hard is Lolo actually? I remember playing it as a kid and not getting very far

>>6023372
RODERNTSNREVANG CHEESE TIME

KICKLE
MOTHERFUCKIN
CUBICLE

>>6023352
PAGANITZU (DOS)
HEARTLIGHT (DOS)

>>6023784

the first game is easy enough to be beatable even if you're not an expert at these types of games. really the perfect difficulty level.

Lolo 2 has a noticeable difficulty increase, with more stages that require quick reflexes over puzzle solving

and Lolo 3 increases the difficulty once again, to beat this one requires complete mastery of every mechanic in the series,, and some of the reflex based stages demand near perfect execution

>>6023960
Lolo 1 was great. I beat it at 7 easily.

>>6023352
Starting an RPG that ends up being a stealth Block Puzzle Is like biting into a chocolate and finding out it's a peanut butter cup. ...assuming you aren't allergic to peanut butter.

I need help guys, I beat Lolo 1 but gave up on Lolo 2 when I got stuck here. Worse part is that it isn't due to the level being complex, but simply because one heart it's seemingly impossible

I simply can't figure how to get the heart at the center-top without dying, you are forced to go over the medusa and you can't really get a block there to cover you.

Is there any mechanic that I'm missing that might help me? I would appreciate if you don't give me the answer and just a clue to get that damn heart

>>6024082
Off the top of my head, If you destroy the snake enemy and then place a block over where it is supposed to respawn, it should respawn in a different location

>>6023352
Lup Salad
https://youtube.com/watch?v=T4TF11KZmJA

>>6024112
This game ramps up the difficulty after the first practice levels but the music is funny and cute.

>>6023789
>>6023620
My cubicle niggas

>>6023369

Lol I thought the car was jumping those crates and was gonna cream that dude

>>6024123
And then there's a hard mode after that.

I did manage to get through it though, and I usually suck at puzzle games.

For me, it's Oxyd and Per Oxyd. There is an open-source clone called Enigma, check it out.

>>6024451
pic

>>6023352
You mean squarepushers? Underrated vidya genre, Chip's Challenge is one of the greatest puzzle games of all time.

Here's a mockup I made of a hypothetical Sokoban LCD handheld.

POWER SOKOBAN

>>6024092
WOOOOOOOOWWWW

>>6023372
yarn balls are one of the more scary monsters in vidya

>>6023385

The 1982 one looks way ahead of its time.

>>6024583
Neat idea, but in practice it would be hard to distinguish a moveable block from a 1x1 wall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXKw_4gSYB4

X-It/Zonked for the Amiga was fucking tight. Shame it's been forgotten.

>>6024073
I bet you like Lufia 2 then.

Is this genre still alive nowdays? In the form of mobile or indie games I mean, I don't see this kind of game being a thing for AAA companies.

>>6027092

Baba Is You maybe

>>6025954
Cute cat

>>6024092
thanks bro, that was it

I am a little mad though, that's such an unintuive mechanic. I ruled that out because when it's Lolo the one that's placed over the respawn point the centipede doesn't respawn at all. Oh, well

>>6027092
Chip's Challenge 2 was released within the last four years.

It's basically a retro game though, it was completed in the late 90's and basically just sat on a hard drive for ~15 years due to licensing issues.

>>6027092
A Friday the 13th puzzle game came out about a year ago on Steam. It has microtransactions, loot crates, cut scenes, QTEs, gender neutral characters, experience points, and it's simpler/easier than games made for 7 year olds in the 1980s. Probably the definitive modern take.

>>6023960
I usually hate the reflex based stages, I like to take my time and plan through how to do everything. Having to dodge armadillos or move somewhere before an enemy respawns always killed the joy of puzzle solving for me.

Lolo did have some great puzzles though, it was a lot of fun to play through it.

>>6024073
What game? I can't find a thing.

>>6023369
Scotshovers

>>6023352
best game genre.

I recommend

Devil Dice and his sequel bombastic

>>6023352

Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver

>>6023373
>>6023729
I've played these ones, they're great.
I'd also like to recommend Catrap, aka Pitman. It's played from a side view, as opposed to the top down view most of these games have, but it's definitely the same type of game.

>>6027092
I seem to remember the fella who made Chip's Challenge making some sort of spiritual successor called Chuck's Challenge or something like that within the past few years. No clue if it's any good.

>>6024073
Ok, I found it. Looks like an Ultima clone.

>>6023369
>>6029142
Shoving donnypushers.

>>6024073
Yeah that was how I felt playing God of Thunder as a kid

Was expecting a second-rate indie Zelda clone, instead I got something more akin to Lolo or Paganitzu.

>>6026404
>>6024583
Maybe moveable blocks should have crosses to more easily distinguish them from immoveable walls?

>>6023726
>>6023789
Theres a few for TG16/Duo too.. Sokoban, Cratermaze, Tricky Kick, Chew Man Fu, Splashlake
on Dos, Dognapped/Rescue Rover 2 was a great game. Pic related

>>6023352
https://youtu.be/PbMlY411cYw
https://youtu.be/1t782B0zK3Y
https://youtu.be/MOrwGn_NYnY
https://youtu.be/P-DQ-bZmzBA

Fire N Icr is overrated.

>>6031823

strongly disagree. it's a great game

>>6030730
I've got some good memories of Dognapped, mom bought it for me since it looked fun and I used to come up to her office after hours on Thursdays to play it on her Windows 3.1 computer. I don't remember if I ever completed every level, but I know I did quite a few of them.

>>6029168
based

>>6023385
That game music was so good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZN8iRqAFQQo

>>6032387
Same. My best bud had it and DOTT. Used to play it all the time back when he had a 386 with 3.1 and I only had a 286 with a single window OS called "Program Manager". Later he grew up and gave me his 3.5" copies of both. Still have them. Bless you for knowing what Dognapped is.

Fire 'n Ice
Monster Rancher Explorer

Recommend me the best ones for (s)nes.

While the NES version still haunts me to this day, I have tried the arcade version recently. It is all wrong, it's all fucked. Ogres in nes version die when they fall. Not in the arcade, at least not if they fall just ine square. Enemies spawned from the infinite generators linger a lot longer too, and some of the timing is off.

>ctrl+f
>Kye
>0 results
A rare example of charityware, where you sent a donation to the specified charity, then sent the receipt of the donation to the dev, and they would send you the unlock code or full version.

LaserTank is the most based block pusher freeware game ever.

>>6027080
I've brought up Lufia 2 in a bunch of different /vr/ and /v/ threads in the past.

Because I hate every aspect about that awful game. The Puzzles are poorly thought out, the writing is downright insulting, the scenarios are full of ridiculous inconsistencies, and the RPG mechanics for the battles are so cluttered you get hit with an encyclopedia page every time someone levels up.

The only saving grace is the Wild Arms series seems to take direct inspiration from it, probably because the devs of those games had such an awful experience playing this game that they dedicated their careers to making an working version of it.

>>6035161
Solomon's Key 1 is shit.

I meant to reply here after looking up Adventure of Lolo but forgot.

There's zero advantage to replaying the US NES games.
Replay the series in Japanese instead from the very beginnings on MSX (or even better, FDS) because the 3 american NES games are all compilations of the first tutorial levels from each JP-only game but spread around and enough to fill an entire game.
Zero exclusive content, except one that had 6 new levels.
There are "japanese versions" of Lolo 2 and Lolo 3, but they only share the engine and graphical assets. The levels are all new.
In all honesty, those versions are insulting.

US Game Boy version is still superior (tripled the number of levels) but idk if that's just HAL US catching up on levels they skipped.
Windows 95 game is awesome too.

>>6036053
That massive reply had nothing to do with solomons key except the first 5 words?

>>6023352
Does this count?

There's a nes game with penguins called binary-something that may fit the theme

>>6036053
So should I play the Japanese versions of Lolo 2 and 3 (Known as Lolo 1 and 2), or should I skip them?

>>6037920

the Japanese versions have much harder puzzles. if you want a good challenge, than play them.

>>6035708
This was a great game!! omfg I forgot about LaserTank...

I remember finding this game through a Chip's Challenge fansite in like 1998 or 99.

I don't remember those circular different-colored floor tiles (are they teleporters?) that must be something the dev added way later.

>>6023369
Zit means shovetroidvanias sweetie

>>6023352
>ctrl+f supaplex
>no results

>>6025954
Falcom sits on the Soko ip

>>6037920
Lolo Famicom (shares Lolo 2 NES engine) and Lolo 2 Famicom (shares Lolo 3 NES engine) are original content.

You definitively should, as well as the FDS game (a refined remake of the very first game before the series experimented with dungeons and druaga-like puzzles, before the US even got any of the games).

Gossun Oyoyo / Yoyo's Puzzle Park series has some quite good games.
Samurai Kid (GBC) and Hammerin Harry (GBC) are kino sidescrolling puzzle platformers. Kinda like GBA Klonoa games but with far less action.

>>6029201
>catrap
Unbelievably based.

>>6025954
>>6040156
Thinking Rabbit does. Nintendo would never continue this series because
- it's a bit shitty, a C team project on a console on life support
- it's based on a property licensed off another publisher
- the plot is a /pol/ fever dream

Same fate for Super Lode Runner by Nintendo for similar reasons (minus plot)

There was a game on the gameboy where you put different kinds of floor tiles beneath your character to progress, which one was it again?

also mole mania i guess

Pipe Mania and derived games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv89XJSbRRE

>>6023352
Baba Is You
Hands down the magnum opus of the genre

>>6044748

not retro

fuck you

>>6045021
No, Fuck you, op asked and he received
Besides its not exactly modern

>>6028505
kek

>>6044562
This looks terrifying. Definitely have to try it.

Im working on a game with puzzles that make a little more sense within the environment (think like Ico, Limbo, Tomb Raider, etc)

Can you suggest any specific interesting block puzzles that could be translated well from these almost abstract pure games into a more realistic immersive experience?

>>6045335
Lufia 2 or Golden Sun may have some ideas.

There's (>>6023729) Puzzle Boy from Atlus, which inspired an entirely new game with monster collection elements (Shin Megami Tensei Devil Children - Puzzle de Call! for the GBA) then a minigame in SMT3, "SMT: Nocturne Block Puzzle". You rotate things in your way and fix the floor underneath to progress. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=943QWJtMYNY
Mole Mania was integrated as a puzzle in one of the later dungeons in Zelda Skyword Sword.

Adapting it to something that fits the environment is half the battle. Lufia 2 and 2D Zelda games felt tacky in that regard.

>>6045660
SMT Devil Children Puzzle de Call GBA:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deunw9KHBac

this genre is gay no offense

>>6040196
>- the plot is a /pol/ fever dream
Elaborate

>>6046445
That's fine in modern days that's a positive thing, being calling straight is the insult

>>6046445
and thats a good thing

>>6027092
There's an android version of the op some guy made.

>>6045663
Can I play it without knowing Chinese

>>6045335
Making a puzzle more meaningful in the game's story has less to do with making it realistic, and more to do with what you want the player to be thinking as they solve it.

Ico for example uses it's puzzles to build the relationship with Yorda, and making you naturally feel anxious whenever you have to seperate from her. In the Witch's house, all the solutions involve doing cruel things to helpless creatures that trust you, and then avoiding their revenge.

In that regard, if a player doesn't notice a puzzle mechanic because it was blending in too well with the scenery, that will be more likely to break the immersion. This happens a lot with sandbox games where the player inevitably ends up ignoring the entire game screen and focusing on the minimap with all it's Quest markers.

>>6028403
Once you get to the harder stages you basically have to do a bunch of trial and error runs because you have to figure out which hearts give shots and you have to see if enemies respawn if there's a block / enemy on top of them. In Lolo 3 I remember you also have to experiment with water currents. It's kind of annoying because the devs could have used visual indicators to show all of this.

>>6049720
Agreedo. This is the only thing I didn't like about the Lolo games. That and they didn't come with a level editor.

>>6049160
Yes.

Title Screen:
>Story Mode (then はじめから is new game, other option is continue)
>Puzzle Mode
>Race (Time Attack)
>Database

Ingame menu (options marked with (s) appear in the story mode but not the puzzle mode)
>Cancel
>Undo Last Move
>Map (s)
>Change Monster (s)
>Reset Room
>Reset Dungeon
>Title Screen (s)
>Save ( セーブ, remember that. はい=yes)

(s) : exclusive to story mode.

Story mode is ideal for first time players. There's some monster eggs which you have to reach under a certain number of moves (indicated in the HUD) and some boss battles. You're not missing on anything story-wise.
Puzzle mode is a remake of Puzzle Boy.

If you remember this, you should be set. Game is fun, but gets challenging really fast.

>>6045663
>SMT Devil Children Puzzle de Call GBA:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deunw9KHBac
>>6050097
Looks like Qwirk on the Game Boy.

https://youtu.be/Pit-9Obf53Q

How does lolo for the GB compare to the nes ones?