/vr/ - Retro Games

Just watch a playthrough on jewtube. Getting good at shit games like these isn't worth the effort.

>>6020306
Practice practice practice

>>6020308
Fight me

Get used to controls, memorize levels, learn where the hidden chests are, look up item spawn order so you can recover armors if you get hit, be prepared for things to not go as planned because it's a very random game, use charged attacks a lot once you're fully upgraded. I'd recommend playing Ghouls N Ghosts instead though desu, it doesn't have nearly as much fat when it comes to items and chests and is a better paced game.
>>6020308
Which eceleb told you it's bad?

>>6020306
It's like playing a shmup, it's just memorizing patterns. But at least shmups have 4 degrees of freedom. Why would you waste your time with such a dumb game?

>>6020321
>I'd recommend playing Ghouls N Ghosts instead though desu, it doesn't have nearly as much fat when it comes to items and chests and is a better paced game.
Agreed

>>6020321
btw shmupg did nothing wrong

>>6020327
I don't think you actually play arcade games very seriously period

>>6020329
It's sad that people pass it by in favor of the shitty nes port of the first game and this one when it's not only the best but also the most beginner friendly game in the series.

>>6020308
What a huge faggot

>>6020306
I found it genuinely fun with save states played on the shitter where it becomes a series of 30 second or so mini challenges.

>>6020368
I like NES Makaimura too. So brutal.

>>6020368
Holy shit, just started playing this and enjoying the fuck out of it. The weapons feel so much better

>>6020308

>>6020306
Use dagger or use homing crossbow there is no other way

>>6020306
Learn to save your double jump. Seriously, watch how much better you end up doing. Don't double jump unless absolutely needed. Also, use the dagger or arrow when you get them.

Play Maldita Castilla which is an actually balanced game, not focused on getting your shekels

>>6020875
Picked up, thanks anon. I just want more similar games

>>6020306
Practice and Persistence.

>GnG releated

This fan game is excellent and much more forgiving. It's also free. Give it a try.

https://locomalito.com/juegos/Maldita_Castilla_1_1.zip

>>6020885
https://locomalito.com/

This guy makes quality retro games and gives them away for free with extras such as covers / posters etc. Highly recommend.

>>6020894
Read literally two posts above nigga

>>6020828
>homing crossbow
Have fun when that one bolt goes full retard and orbits an unrelated monster or object for an extended period of time, leaving you defenseless.
Lance or Dagger is the way to go, or Torch if you want to give yourself a challenge.

>>6020875
>not focused on getting your shekels
It's an SNES game, anon.

>>6020368
This is the only one I like, mainly because controlling Arthur actually feels fluid. Even ports of Super that fix the lag, both the original and that game just feel clunky in comparison.

>>6020875
Maldita Castilla lacks everything that makes GnG fun and unlike other generic platformers, it's soulless.

>>6021082
Play the Ghosts N Demons fangame, it's everything Super wishes it was and has very fluid movement.

>>6020914

>>6020368
I remember buying this on a whim because I found it for £20 and never actually thinking I'd play it since I thought it was going to be terrible and difficult like AVGN said it was (didn't know the NES port was basically a shitty port), but after giving it a try it was really fucking good.

Played and finished it in front of a room of about ten people since it was the final week for uni before the Christmas break and we had nothing better to do. I knew I'd have to go through the game twice so I was prepared, but thank fuck the game lets you retry the final stage if you forget the weapon to beat the final boss with instead of playing the whole game again, had to look that up sadly but it was still good.

>>6020897
Wow, some of these are better than steam indie "games". Why are they free? Not complaining, just curious. Any other companies that specialize in this style?

>>6022367
Shit's called Freeware. Nigga's passionate about games and released his tributes into the internet wasteland for free. It's rare that people release games with that quality, let alone for free so more power to him. I've been a fan for years and I wanna pick up his re-release of Hydorah and Maldita Castilla some time, the games are real fun. Wonder what he's working on next.

>>6020925

Scythe and lance have the easiest attack spells to aim. Scythe's especially is apocalyptic. But when upgraded they are relatively clumsy as physical weapons.

Homing crossbow is fantastic in the autoscrolling water section; any kind of crossbow does well against red demons; scythe and lance have the easy offensive spells. But dagger is the only weapon that is great pretty much everywhere and in every way. It's overpowered and has no serious disadvantages (except from a game design perspective, because it's overpowered), and OP should probably lean on it and only it.

>>6020379
Hmm, never thought to play it that way

>>6020306
I beat it the other night for the first time. I don't really recommend it.
I also think the first stage is one of the hardest in the game. Getting past that second elevated section with the dog on top, just before the spitting bone pillars, requires at least 2 or 3 resets before I can make it through without taking a hit.
Stage 2 is pretty easy though. No real issues there.
Stage 3 can be difficult thanks to some really tight enemy timing stuff and some stupid jumps on small pillars.
I forget which stage number it is but the snow stage is my favorite in the game as it's one of the only stages I felt hit a really solid difficulty balance. Challenging but not too challenging.
The last two stages aren't bad at all once you know what you're doing and the final boss is a joke once you get the pattern down.
It's not a great game. It's got fun visuals and music, just great aesthetics, but the SNES slowdown is unbearable at times. I'm glad I beat it but I really didn't think it was that good and it's not one that's gonna have me coming back to it often. I'd sooner just play through any given classic Castlevania as I think by and large they're much more thoughtfully designed games.

>>6022578
I had a tough time taking down the red arremers consistently with the dagger but the bow turned them into ez mode
Otherwise it was dagger all the way

>>6022970

Well with non-bow weapons you can always plan to fight arremers with your spell, which you will often have with daggers because the daggers let you kill things before they steal your gold armor. But yeah the bow is the only weapon that's kinda specialized for them without reliance on the spell.

>>6022970
My favourite thing about the dagger is if you're willing to get up close with grey armor it just destroys shit cause you can fire them as fast as you can hit the button

>>6022310
AVGN did a lot of damage to the series' reputation, seems like most of the time GnG fans have to dispel bullshit that comes directly from those videos (or misinterpretation of those videos) before others will even touch what's a great bunch of games. All the games restarted you near the end if you forgot the necessary weapon, it's just that the first game started you on level 5 instead of the final one, which is a bit annoying but the levels are really short anyway.

>>6020306
>1CC Makaimura Rev G
>want to 1CC Super GnG
>that fucking raft level means I'll never put in the effort to finish it
I enjoy the game for the most part, but hell that raft level is so boring that it makes me not want to play it.

>>6023484
iktf, but if you practice the fuck out of the other levels with savestates you can then get the 1cc in just a few runs

>>6023487
I pretty much only play on original hardware. Can't remember how far I made it, not sure if I ever even cleared the first loop. The original game didn't have any really boring parts, but I don't know what they were thinking with Super's raft level.

>>6023497
It's yet another example of tech advancements letting developers indulge in their cancerous inclinations and try to make cinematic masterpieces. Supposedly the raft level was meant to be part of Ghouls N Ghosts but they had to cut it and some other things out because they didn't have the space to spare, and thank fucking god for that.

>>6020306
use emulator save state/load state

>>6023540
Imagine not playing on the original hardware.

>>6023484
The raft level goes on for too long but it's not that bad. Like if you can get through it without taking damage once you should be able to do it every try afterword. It's the first section that really becomes an afterthought in 1cc runs.
It's boring but it really shouldn't stop you from enjoying the rest of it.

>>6020308
This

>>6020306
fist off, git gud

second. stick with the dagger. its the best weapon by far. when you get the gold armor you get good magic with it that can waste bosses quickly

stick with the crossbow combined with the gold armor and use the magic spell often on your first run. crossbow magic will reveal any treasure chests on the screen. remembering these locations will help you in the future.

platforming is harder than shooting/avoiding enemies in this game. find a safe location where you can practice getting comfortable making weird double jumps everywhere.

don't listen to the fags that say this game is bad. its pretty damn good

>>6024668
>don't listen to the fags that say this game is bad. its pretty damn good
It didn't strike me as good enough to want to play through more than once, but not nearly bad enough to say it's actually bad. There's just a few stupid things about it, like the ultra stiff jumping mechanics, the horrendous slowdown, and some pretty shitty enemy RNG elements in a few places.
Otherwise it's a great looking, great sounding game from its era that offers a hell of a challenge for anyone looking for it. If that's what you want from it, it delivers. It's earned its difficult reputation but I don't think it's well designed enough to be remembered for much more than that. Point is I could see both sides of the argument.

>>6024361
I guess I've just grown impatient, because I just find it so long and boring.

>>6024881

The jumping is fun. That's just part of the game.

To me the stupidest thing about this game is that they didn't correct the obvious, severe imbalance among the weapons, and among the weapon levels even for a single weapon. Arthur's very limited ability to dodge and his ability to kill most enemies in one or two quick shots (even with the weakest weapons) imply that clumsy yet heavy weapons are going to be far less effective than fast weapons that are easy to hit enemies with. Yet the developers chose to "reward" you for finding better armor by giving you a clumsier and heavier lance, scythe, or axe. And when you switch from say dagger to axe, they pay you back for your loss of firing rate and projectile speed by increasing your range and power, even though the dagger already has that much range and power as long as you just, like, throw two daggers whenever one wouldn't be enough.

And also the upgraded axe is useless near a solid ceiling, and the homing crossbow bolts need a better target-seeking system, or an earlier timeout, or some other small tweak to prevent you from ever being unable to fire when you need to defend yourself.

It's a shame. The weapon system could be a lot of fun to explore, but only parts of it are.

I basically like the game a lot though. But yeah it could use another round or two of polish. I'd like to see a romhack rebalance the weapons AND fix the slowdown. Maybe the two issues are even connected; it seems like the developers may have made the weapons extra clumsy, in some cases, because they were constantly terrified of having too many projectiles on the screen for the hardware to handle. With the scythe especially, it's embarrassing how the slashy-slashy hit animation they stuck in for that weapon (which is cool) actually (if I remember correctly) stops you from throwing your next scythe until it finishes playing. But who knows, maybe that had nothing to do with hardware limitation.

>>6020308
>Getting good at shit games like these isn't worth the effort.
Getting good at any game isn't worth the effort, just watch a playthrough and try to "monkey see, monkey do" if you really want. No reason to EnGaGe WiTh ThE GaMe as if you were a kid.

>>6020327
You know what else is about memorization: School. And yet you failed that shit.

>>6025089
>The jumping is fun. That's just part of the game.
By that logic you could say "the weapon system is fun. That's just part of the game."
I mean yeah it's part of the game but I don't think it's enjoyable or particularly designed well.
If you wanted to play without slowdown though it's possible in emulation.

>>6025163
Except there is nothing actually wrong with the jumping besides that YOU dont like it, its not only functional but an actually fun, unique timing challenge

>>6025169
>there is nothing actually wrong with the jumping besides that YOU dont like it
Same could be said for the weapon mechanics. They function exactly as they should, there are just things you'd like to change about them.

>>6025474
Difference is the guy outlined exactly what the problems with weapons are, how certain weapons are useless and undermined by others, how they become shittier if you upgrade your armor, etc. You haven't provided any argument for why the jumps are bad at all. Its literally just "I dont like it so its bad" with no undelying reasoning

>>6025163

I can say the jumping is fun because I personally had fun with it and wasn't bothered by it. I can't say that about the weapon balance. Yeah in the end it's subjective.

>>6020306
Have you tried playing it?
>>6020368
>the shitty nes port
It was so fucking bad it forced Capcom to start doing their own ports in house.

There's a romhack out there that fixes the major slowdown this game has. Otherwise yeah, the best thing to do is just play and memorize where the enemies spawn. The knife with green or gold armor is a beast, and the bow is good for killing trash enemies.

>GnG or Super GnG
>bad
What?! It must be the frustration of challenge speaking...

>>6027417
Super has bad level design, but Great G&G is legitimately one of the best sidescrollers of all time.

>>6020306

I once got to the final level of Ghouls N' Ghosts for the arcade on my PS2 collection.

I got the blue fire thing.....I couldn't replace the item.

So, my suggestion is, use generous save states. This is objectively dogshit game design- getting stuck with a bad item.

>>6027550
That's just you being shit unsurprisingly, there's several weapon drops in the last level and charged torch wrecks almost everything you can go up against. What's likely is that you didn't want to adapt to a subpar weapon and threw a shitfit

>>6027561

I don't remember exactly what level it was, I just know I spent about a whole hour trying to get another weapon. Can you really say that killing your character and not resetting the weapon is good game design?

>>6027575
You can recover weapons on any level. Do you even know HOW to do it or do you think it's luck? If your weapon reset when you died then you'd be bitching about how you're always using the lance and never get to use the knife. There's no winning with you whiners because you will never adapt to anything.

>>6020306
It's the original Demon's Souls, you just have to memorize the level layouts and your response to them. A certain degree of memorization is unavoidable with these types of games if you want to get through them

>>6027581

I remember being stuck in a room for a long time. Maybe it was a really hard room. Sorry I have trouble when the game becomes 100x harder than it should because of dumb luck.

>>6027575
>>6027581
Also imagine the endless whinging if you died with the Psycho Cannon and the game gave you the lance again on the final level. Developers shouldn't listen to you whiners.

>>6027589
It's not dumb luck, the items drop at specific points of the levels, either chests which you have control over or from enemies with pots which you can see from a mile away. What you remember doesn't matter because you're bad

>>6027597

Thanks for being an incel, incel.

>>6027602
ssseeeeething