/vr/ - Retro Games

Katarina always 5ever

>>6006596
HARID MY NIGGA

>>6006629
Probably this
I usually play Mikhail so I avoid Tatyana but people have told me she's pretty good, is she? I never had much luck with her

>>6006637
>Tatyana
She's annoying because she doesn't want to enter a specific town.

>>6006596
But I already beat it, wigga. Why would I buy BS "remaster" that looks the shame?

>>6006596
Rom dump when?:

>>6007096
So Square Enix gets the message that western fans actually will purchase Saga games so they should release more of them?

Also the HD backgrounds look really nice and work well the the 16 bit sprites. It's an example of how all 16 bit JRPG remasters should be done.

>>6006629
You mean Khalid.

>>6007096
we supported RS2 and now we're getting RS3, Scarlet Graces, and RE: Universe. why the fuck wouldn't a fan support the release? also >implying the shitty snes patch is a good enough experience

>>6008593
>also >implying the shitty snes patch is a good enough experience
I loved it. TRIGGERED?
>>6007110
>HD
That just looks like some dithering on a bluish sky in OP pic.

>>6006596
I always preferred Ellen or whichever the official name translation of the axe girl would be now. Axes and spears or rather their techs were great early game. Been a while so I don't remember everyone, but my team usually went
Axe girl(mc), the water mage, the lobster, the snowman, the fairy, and the main archer girl(for command mode)

>>6006596
Katarina, that new version of RS3 is looking pretty nice

>>6009005
There's a doujin of Ellen with Julian, Black (the pirate), Harid, Wood and Elephant guy.
They rape her the night before a battle against one of the demon lord.

>>6009259
forgot pic

Reposting from the last thread but can someone give me a run down on the Japanese romhacks (Bokuno and ???)

>>6009279
Would like to know, too.

>>6006596
Is Scarlet Grace worth buying too?

>>6009957
If it says SaGa then buy it

>>6009957
yes

>>6006596
First time playing it because I fell for the meme. This game's story transitions are SO fucking jarring and unnatural feeling.
>"hey let's leave this place"
>"BOOM we're suddenly in a town thousands of miles away!!"

See this is why having an explorable world map for these games is important, as it gives you the sense that you actually took the time to TRAVEL to and from places. The way this game is all "WOO! WE'RE HERE!" is just shit.

>>6010360
would stopping every 3 steps for a trivially easy random battle improve your experience

>>6009259
Any vanilla SaGa doujins? It's either rape guro or scat

>>6010375
kek

>>6010360
What the fuck are you talking about? Push the map button twice to see the whole thing.

>>6010437
That's the only translated Romancing Saga 3 doujin.
Don't know about other SaGa doujin.

I'm playing romancing saga 2 right now, what am I supposed to against the spriggan? It one shots my party with the earthquake move.
Should I just leave it and go somewhere else for now?

>>6010437
wtf is wrong with island chinks?

I'M PLAYING THE FUCKING BUSINESS GAME ALL DAY

>>6010852
Yes there's a way around him

In NG+ I haven't tried but you could beat him I think

>>6009259
IM GONNA COOOOOOOM

>>6010852
The intro of the game literally has you go through the gameplay loop of getting party wiped by a boss and then building a new party from the ground up specifically just to counter that single boss.

Now the spriggan is quite early and skippable, but you should get used to the idea and make plenty of mental notes on character classes, formations, and protective skills/spells/gear for all manner of situations.

I've still yet to play a Saga game. Which one would pull me in the most and get me addicted to the series?

>>6011169
SaGa Frontier, Romancing SaGa Minstrel's Song or Romancing SaGa 3 are the most accessible and engaging for a beginner in my opinion. Saga Frontier is your best bet because its characters' personal storyline is the focus throughout the game and setting/music is unlike any other game.

>>6011201
Nice, thanks. I take it the others don't have very much emphasis on story huh? I'm not one of those people who only plays JRPGs for the story, but I do really appreciate them.

>>6011237
You're welcome!
I'd say a lot of them have good stories in their own way but they're stories about the world more than the characters.
Saga Frontier 2 has a pretty neat story but you play it like you're looking at a timeline and can pick and choose how to play the events in history in a linear or non-linear fashion.

>>6011254
Ahh okay, I see. I'm really looking forward to checking these out and learning more about the series. Turn based JRPGs with any type of decent budget are so much fewer and far between these days that I'm really happy I still have so many to catch up on. Thanks for the help.

>>6011237
SaGa 1-2 are experimental party composition games, where 2 has some story but it's on the GB so it's to its detriment imo.
Romancing Saga is experimenting with non-linear story progression, and is more about smaller plots and unfolding greater lore than typical story telling.
Frontier 1 has distinct character scenarios while keeping some elements of classic SaGa and Romancing.
Frontier 2 is an epic, political, interwoven story told through different perspectives in a loose manner. Probably the most esoteric to play though.

How does this game compare to Minstrel Song remake?

>>6010375
Your over exaggeration omitted from the basic premise, yes. It plus the world map travel would make the transition seem a lot more natural. Don't be a fucking retard, especially since in this game you can fucking see mobs on the fucking map and avoid them if you choose.

>>6010456
HUHUHUHUHUHUHUHU

>>6011638
Minstrel Song takes all the best parts of all the SaGa games and combines them. In some ways, this feels more primitive and less refined. Minstrel Song is definitely better, but this is still great.

I take it Octopath Traveler was heavily inspired by these huh? I played it a little bit and what sucks about that game's story is all these characters really have no reason to be together and so far none of it seems connected to an overarching plot. I know it's not vr material, but I'd like to know what people here who actually got far or completed it think of the game... (You know, people who have been around awhile, appreciate real discussion games, and aren't retarded?)

>>6011924
The different character plotlines are actually connected in a fairly novel way, but it's mostly up to the player to figure out how they're connected instead of having the game straight up tell you. I thought it was a pretty cool take SaGa's style.

>>6012078
I guess I just haven't gotten that far. I should probably finish it before I start RS3. It will be my first SaGa game, so maybe it will be good practice.
(Well, besides when I was a kid and bought Final Fantasy Legend thinking it would be similar to FFVII, which was my first Final Fantasy game. Definitely, not what I expected and I didn't really play it much, unfortunately)

>>6011924
Some characters have a way more immersive start than others. Some like Julian or Ellen are pretty vanilla, while Mikhail or Katarina get more fleshed out.

>>6011763
How do I start having fun in Minstrel Song?

I liked SaGa 1 and 2 on the GB, but I played about an hour of Hawke's scenario in Minstrel Song and was soon bored to tears by what seemed to be a fairly plain jrpg with an inordinate amount of encounters.

>>6012434
uhhh dont play like a fairly plain jrpg because you are playing it wrong?

>>6012315
How exactly do the SaGa games work? You pick a character and play through their entire story and then pick the next character, repeating that, until you've done all of them and then you've beaten the game?

Is this like Octopath where other characters are not acknowledged in story scenes? That shit really burned my ass.

>>6009005
I thought Ellen was better with Fist? Black the pirate dude was best Axman(after he regains his youth from the water boss), and also best suited for the demonlord set.

Robin was good with Spear because of his STR, though his spark list allows him to learn more Epee techs faster. Other than him, there's the fairy , Merchant MC(better as a mage though) and the one armed guy. But for the one-arm guy, you're better off giving the silverarm to a good swordsman with 2 swords equipped like Harid.

>>6013190
Which SaGa? They're all slightly different. RS3 has multiple endings for each MC. But overall, it's the same plot. I couldn't be assed to replay it after winning with Katrina. It's a long grindy game.

Saga Frontier and SF2 are the games that have a different main plot depending on which MC you choose.

SaGa 1-3 only has one main plot AFAIK. No multiple endings.

RS2 only has slight differences depending on male/female MC and which person you marry. Not sure about it since I've never played it.

No idea about the other games.

>>6013265
For the MC characters in the game, they have little interaction after the intro part.

For the other recruitable non-MCs, they vary. Some have dialog or important roles in the subquests they recruited from. Some of them are like Tatyana, who just joins you unless you're playing as Mikhail.
https://saga.fandom.com/wiki/Tatyana_Rzhyev

In the case of Tatyana, she seems to be part of some unfinished content.

Nice.

>>6007101
No ROM to dump, it's a full port to Unity.

>>6008670
OP's pic isn't what the game looks like. Try this.

So is Ellen the only character that's any good with martial arts? I would like to use different characters this playthrough but I don't want to go without martial arts but I'm not sure who else to use.

>>6011924
Difference is that these old games don't have an entire anime season's worth of dialogue every time you enter a town. Octopath started off awesome, then I slowly got more and more annoyed as I realize that the stories were all very formulaic and the only one that even feels satisfying is Olberic. Octopath is very much not a classic style JRPG, despite how it looks.

>>6014654
boston

>gachashit is actually helping revive classic JRPG series

I'm a little surprised.

How the FUCK do you get to Stanley or whatever they changed the name to? I can't remember or find anything about it in any guides online.

>>6015847
Nevermind I figured it out. You have to talk to an old fuckin bag in Faros that is hiding on the second floor of a weapon shop.

I picked Harid, and quickly hit a brick wall with the army battle minigame.

Love the battle theme though.

>>6010437
there's a glorious AsellusXWhiterose doujin that explains the concept of "having whatever genitalia you need to have at the time"

>>6011924
dude if you want an intricate plot with everyone interacting in interesting ways just play Unlimited SaGa because it's better than octopath and better than every western rpg.

>>6014108
Nice background but still not HD, as in they redesign stuff with more detail. That's more pixellated than a /vr/ adventure game like Riven.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cP_qcORJ80

>>6014654
>>6014981
The Lobster guy I think? But like the mystics in Frontier, he comes a weak armor permanently equipped, so his defences will be lacking.

>>6016575
>army battle minigame.
AFAIK, that minigame is only useful for getting the better ending IF you picked Mikhail as MC.

>>6010437
>It's either rape guro or scat

That's vanilla for the Japs.

LIVE A LIVE REMASTER WHEN??

>>6016810
this
although EFRO scat is pretty common with them
hard scat is too dirty even for guro artists

reminder if you're facing the Hive Queen secret boss, learn EVERY evasive move ahead of time

>>6017051
Is she really that hard? I was thinking I'd be fine if I put a heavy suit and earth ring on everyone. How much status resist do I need to be safe against her charm attack?

So, apparently if you get Fullbright in your party and then let him out you can never get him back, and also recruiting him at all locks you out of Thomas's sidequest? This is pretty fucking stupid. I wish someone told me to not use him in advance.

>>6017119
>Is she really that hard?
she's brutal
fuck, you can't even cheat your way through it with haste either

she wants you to play fair and she can easily one shot your party if they're not ready

>>6017049
The fuk is EFRO?

>>6010360
>explorable world map
Aka glorified menus.

>>6011201
>>6011169
People should stop recommending SaGa Frontier because muh pre-rendered backgrounds. At least FF7 had the decency of a cursor.

>>6017140
There's a LOT of weird shit like this. Thomas' sidequest overriding certain key NPC interactions doesn't help either, like the Algernon sequence and the deliveries in Lance.

Like the whole dolphin statue thing with Herman. And Herman in general. I suppose this isn't quite the same thing though, and was probably meant to be a quirky secret over multiple playthroughs.

>>6017164
I hope so, the new content makes the main game a joke so it better be a good challenge to make up for it

>>6017212
What's the new content? I wish they had this shit documented for those playing it for the first time. Instead we get a "we recommend playing with the additional content" message.

>>6017274
There's a big extra dungeon. Talk to some dude at morbellem for info then it appears near the mermaid town. There are four color coded parts where enemies are arranged by battle rank and by species. You can get two new recruitable units, a new formation, and a bunch of new weapons and armor. You can easily obtain gear stronger than regular endgame gear in your second generation if you're playing with additional content. At the top of each tower is a dragon and if you beat all the dragons you can fight the dread queen.
There's also one little fight with victor that you can do with your final emperor if you add every territory to your empire (not sure if it's okay to choose dark magic over salamanders). Can't think of anything else.

>>6017170
soft scat
for those that don't wanna "play in the mud" and just want to watch the action

Can't stop

Won't stop

>>6017846
I know that feeling.

>using barrier to rest before a big boss
How much of a bitch am I? Be honest.

whats with the difficulty spikes? I just went into some random cave one hitting all the enemies. I get to the end and there is some dragon sitting on gold smashing my shit in. There was another boss, (dragon too) who was doing the same thing in some underground graveyard. .Is this every boss?

>>6018030
I typically assume I'm not gonna survive longer than 6-7 turns against any boss and keep [best move's SP cost] x6 on hand just for that purpose.

>>6018030
I generally conserve SP and MP, but if there are many mini bosses on the way it makes sense. At least you aren't holding onto your consumables until you beat the game.
>>6018041
It allows you to go to places you aren't ready for to get your face stomped. Happens in SaGa Frontier as well exploring the bio research lab with cannon ball turtle at the end.

>>6018180
>It allows you to go to places you aren't ready for to get your face stomped.

Not exactly. In RS3, tougher subquest don't open up until your MC's HP reaches a certain level, so there are some restrictions to the difficulty of enemies.

>>6017186
>At least FF7 had the decency of a cursor.
Then go make a another shitty FF thread, >>>/v/. Fucking normies.

>>6018451
Yeah, though it is part of the event rank as well to make it feel like the world is progressing. It is just that you have a lot of places you can still go to and just get utterly bodied with instant party wipes with the bosses that reside at the bottom.

>>6018452
You literally cannot justify this shit other than namecalling to gatekeep. Good to know.

>>6018884
>gatekeep.
No one gatekeeps SaGa. Not people who don't wanna play the games in the first place. Dumbasses.

>>6011924
Try Alliance Alive on the 3DS, that's probably more your thing

>>6018180
>Happens in SaGa Frontier as well exploring the bio research lab with cannon ball turtle at the end.
Really? I usually go there early on.

>>6019509
Yeah, though he is talking about the boss at the end of the dungeon in RS3 comparable to the ones in SaGa Frontier.

Should this be renamed "where the fuck do I go, and what the fuck do I do"?

>>6019636
should be renamed to "go wherever the fuck i want and do whatever the fuck i want, but dont get killed motherfucker"

>>6006596
I haven't played this game before but I am a fan of classic RPG/JRPG with turn based combats. Some of my favourites are Lufia 2 , Mario RPG, FF4(2 USA) and Chrono Trigger. Will this game scratch that itch that I have to play something turn based on my Nintendo Switch? Is it worth it? Would it play better on my SNES flashcart?

Just looking at some reviews for the Switch game it looks pretty cool but I don't want to waste my money.

>>6020170
saga games are unorthodox jrpg series that makes many people confused. whether it scratches your itch or not is to try it for yourself. just dont go in expecting a normal jrpg and be open minded to have fun.

>>6020283
I've read that you don't get random battles but instead see enemies on the overworld (I like that) and that you level up skills as you use them ( I really liked that in Secret of Mana). I've been dissapointed before though where I jump into a game and instantly regret it and stop having fun. At 30$ I want to make sure this is worth getting on the Switch. I am a big fan of classic RPGs with some grinding and leveling up of skills and the ability to choose job classes.

>>6020305
In SaGa games you develop your characters by what they do in battle so that is how customization is often handled.

>>6020305
yeah that's the thing. this game doesnt play like classic rpg and grinding isnt really recommended for any saga games. you miss events that you can find throughout the world and the enemy scales to how many battles you had.
if you want a cheaper option, i recommend starting with 2 although idk if thats available for switch. 3 is easier than 2 though and i think its a better place to start this series, but i really have no idea if you will like it or not. its a very non linear game and the game expects you to find the adventures yourself rather than giving you a guided path. i find that part to be the most exciting aspect of the saga series but some find it aimless and boring. generally what i noticed is that people either love it or hate it. in japan though saga is a really loved series unlike the english speaking communities.

>>6020170
High time you moved out of the skimmed milk section of the genre and played a JRPG with some gameplay meat to it.

Despite SaGa having an anti-grinding reputation, I find that I'm really going to have to do that now that I'm stuck fighting Red Dragon Lord. Oh well, there's some other side-quests I can do, but I was hoping to do those on a different playthrough rather than doing everything I can find on a single run. I definitely liked RS2 much more than this, though that was my first entry in the series.
Anyway, what's the general opinion between SaGa 1 and its wonderswan remake? Do they offer somewhat different experiences and make them both worth looking into, or does the remake try to replace the original like many remakes attempt to do? I guess that question could also include SaGa 2 and 3's DS remakes, though I already know the situation behind the original SaGa 3 being a SaGa game in name only.

does anyone have that gif of Emelia and Ren from one of the mobile games? Also I heard they never actually get married, where's the source on that?
Also what's the status on that SF file editor that used to be posted?

>>6021482
The anti-grinding reputation is particularly bizarre because saga games require more grinding than most; you have to fight a ton of generic enemies to be strong enough to beat bosses whereas the majority of jrpgs can be played as a boss rush.

>>6021613
don't the enemies scale?

>>6021613
In the games that I've played (RS2, RS3, Unlimited and Last Remnant), it seems that unless you already know what you're doing, those sidequests are anything but optional. Perhaps I didn't mind it so much with RS2, because I had more choice in how things played out.
It is interesting that people usually recommend RS3 as a beginner entry into the series. If I followed that advice and didn't jump into RS2 first, I don't think I would have been nearly as eager to try other entries in the series. That being said, I do love my experience with the series overall, enough to confidently say that Unlimited has become my favorite jrpg despite currently only playing through it twice.

>>6021482
>Despite SaGa having an anti-grinding reputation, I find that I'm really going to have to do that now that I'm stuck fighting Red Dragon Lord. Oh well, there's some other side-quests I can do, but I was hoping to do those on a different playthrough rather than doing everything I can find on a single run.

I get what you mean to an extent, its either that you get lucky with sparking some amazing endgame techs on some overpowered enemy that you weren't supposed to run into, or you desperately scrounge for essential gear (Ice Sword etc.) in every side quest available while hoping to spark said techs in the process. Definitely tedious to do on several playthroughs unless you're rocking NG+ on the enhanced port.

The grind is there but just not in a traditional "slowly beef up your stats" sense. A shame because the way the game is MEANT to be played is that you're supposed to get some of these killer moves as you play naturally, but its entirely possible to just coast by with mediocre techs. With my first playthrough as Julian, I was stuck with Ellen's Dynamic Chop as my ONLY good tech across several weapons for a good 3/4ths of the game, giving me a harder time than intended.

>>6021482
wonderswan is just a port of snes game with minor differences. biggest addition is the extra quests that gives you certain very important items that were unattainable on snes. but the japanese community made a hack for snes version that adds all the wonderswan contents.
the only remake thats quite different is the ps2 remake. wonderswan port is obsolete.

>>6021973
Thanks for the help, but I was referring to SaGa 1, as in Final Fantasy Legend on GB and its wonderswan remake. I wasn't talking about Romancing SaGa 1, though I did just get Minstrel Song in the mail yesterday. I'll probably play through that after beating Scarlet Grace when it comes out.

>>6021989
oh my bad. whenever people say saga 1 i always think of romancing lol.
i played a little bit of the wonderswan remake but dont know whats different since i never played the gb original. it looked nice though.

>>6021813
>enough to confidently say that Unlimited has become my favorite jrpg despite currently only playing through it twice.
I've been playing through dragon age lately and holy fuck i really wish it was a saga game instead pretty much all the time

it's not that bad but man, sometimes all the reading and dickering over sovereigns and running back and forth makes me feel like I'm doing my taxes

Unlimited is like some sort of troll meme outlining everything that's wrong with wrpgs, it's ruined my ability to tolerate a lot of shit, it's just too good and far too streamlined to be of this world

>>6021601
Is there anyone kind enough to help please?

>>6022005
I think the canon ending is that Emilia shoots him in the head

>>6021601
>>6022005
Is this what you're looking for? I managed to find it in one of the recent /v/ SaGa threads.
>>6022003
I think it even ruined Last Remnant for me to an extent. I grew to hate the dungeon crawling and city traversal when a menu and some nice art would be so much quicker and just as effective with immersion. I just love how replayable Unlimited Saga is in comparison to most rpgs in general. I don't know how a lot of people play some of the more popular ones over and over again; they're more of a one-and-done deal for me and I can't stomach more.

>>6022091
>Is this what you're looking for?
Yeah. What's it from exactly?

There was also some program that alters the SaGa Frontier's coding or something like that? I'm curious about that.

>>6022082
but according to what? Is there a novel?

>>6022103
I couldn't tell you for sure, since I just searched for it and I don't play that SaGa gacha mobile game Re;univerSe that will be coming west soon. Maybe it's from the Japanese website for the game or a jp twitter account or something. And I don't know anything about romhacking for Frontier, so I can't help you there.

>>6022103
>>6022117
You're in luck! I had nothing better to do, so I decided to do some searching around. You need to step your research game up, anon, because it didn't take long at all to find.
The gif is from the jp twitter of the gacha game. There's a handful of other gifs throughout the account involving other characters, but here's a link to the one you were talking about earlier.
https://twitter.com/romasaga_rs/status/1136558952357945344
As far as the Frontier editor tool is concerned, there's an old archived forum about it as well as a discord server and github page by developers of the editor tool. Maybe you'll have more luck looking into these. The info can all be found here:
https://www.ff6hacking.com/forums/thread-3498.html

>>6022091
I can't take my eyes off it. We're there others with other characters?

>>6022103
>>6022117
>>6022160
It's called SnakeOil you fucker. Dead project.

>>6022328
>dead
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/198537-saga-frontier/78147720

>>6022114
The bullet breaks the lostech mask which brainwashed him. He survives. She dumps him anyway. Then she does the DSC on Fuse because fudge le boliceman.
It's in the Official Guidebook.

>>6022091
>I grew to hate the dungeon crawling and city traversal when a menu and some nice art would be so much quicker and just as effective with immersion.
I genuinely wonder if Minstrel Song is some poetic metacommentary on the complaints of Unlimited and a tongue in cheek hyperbole

>Oh so you want to run around the field map
>here's a gigantic fucking field map for you to run around in so huge with a jogging speed so slow that you can take EXTRA time to relax between your strategic and tactical decisions that actually matter. YOU'RE WELCOME

I of course love both MS and US to death

>>6022557
does DSC have an official explanation? is it truly the "Dynamic Suplex Combo"?

>>6022595
Is that really how it is? Well I'm excited for a wildly different experience when I try it, at the very least. All I know is that MS is some people's favorite of the series and absolutely loathed by others. I have hopes it won't be like my time with TLR, since unlike TLR the world actually seems somewhat interesting. I definitely need a bit of a jrpg break after RS3, though.

>>6022696
TLR is actually the SaGa game with the worst battle rank shenanigans, but MS would be a close second with all it's missable content if there wasn't actually a huge buffer making you fight hundreds of monster icons before you reach the rank that unlocks the final quest.

RS2 doesn't really even punish you for grinding unless you intentionally don't train magic and squander your efforts to train weapon skills on purpose. You can pretty much steamroll the entire game by using any single spellschool on every character and literally nothing else.

by that token, RS3 and SF are actually harder than RS2, though SF2 is harder still and is probably the one most likely to make you dump your save file and start over

How is the original Romancing SaGa 1? Is there anything unique enough about it to spend some time playing, or did Minstrel Song make it totally obsolete? I find the RS1 world and lore more interesting than any of the other games

My Undine, who had Genbu/Water and Lunar/Moon magic leveled fairly well, suddenly has Fire Magic leveled instead of Moon for some reason while grinding the final dungeon.

Squall is missing from the main menu (replaced by Air Slash) yet is still usable in combat. Also despite that its her Moon magic rank that's missing rather than Water/Genbu.

Given how esoteric SaGa is, I genuinely can't tell if this is a bug or some super secret, unexplained mechanic.

>>6023649
i'd revert my save if i were you but maybe its something to do with her equipment or the area you're in

>>6023383
I'm playing it right now and I'm enjoying it, but I haven't played any other SaGa game so I can't make a comparison.
There are a few things I dislike, the encounter rate is way too high especially inside those places where you have to go back and forth to complete the quests. Also some things about the story and setting are not very clear, I keep meeting those elemental gods or whatever that I can choose to kill and I can easily do that but I don't know what the impact on the future events would be so I'm being cautious and I'm doing whatever they ask me to do.

>>6006596
Noob question: I'm trying to use most of my strongest moves as soon as possible, and yet when I go commander mode and everyone hits with their normal attacks they glimmer moves left and right.

Is that because of the commander mode, of the formation or am I doing it wrong by spamming strong moves and I should throw normal attacks more?

>>6023649
You wanna see something gay?

>>6023898
you're doing it wrong, commander mode has no effect on the ability to glimmer techniques aside from the ability to survive difficult boss battles with high ranked enemies. Each technique has a separate list of techniques that can glimmer from it and this follows the pattern of a tree, more advanced techniques have shorter lists and will check fewer times to glimmer something if most of your list is empty.

>>6017140
That sounds like a bug in the remaster because I could do both in the SNES game.

>>6024021
>Each technique has a separate list of techniques that can glimmer from it and this follows the pattern of a tree, more advanced techniques have shorter lists and will check fewer times to glimmer something if most of your list is empty.
Shit, this means it's better if I stick to the initial techniques for a good while before I just jump in the new one. And here I thought that I should focus on the ones that are red first until I learn them.
Also, I made an additional mistake and removed the skills from those who learned them and now I don't even know what works on who. Live and learn, I suppose.

>>6023649
its a bug when you use reviver spell on somebody he gains fire magic proficiency even if he never had any magic , if he had some other elemental school its gets replaced , undine has perma water school so she couldn't lose it
so she just lost some other school

>>6024095
You should use a variety of techniques at all times, sticking to what's most efficient during random battles and testing out different attacks when you fight an enemy that's stronger than others you've faced before. Try also to keep note of how you glimmered a technique during a boss battle in case you die and lose it.

Unless you train magic and weapons on everyone or only use cheap attacks you'll run out of WP during major battles, so using lower level techs to open new trees is somewhat inevitable.

Though keep in mind while I call it a tree no individual chain of abilities is longer than 3-4 different techniques.

>>6024157
wait does this always happen? cause having Katarina as anchor with her casting Reviva is kind of integral to my general strategy and i don't particularly want to have to rely on Wind Dragon God

>>6010437
IIRC there was one with Sif and Albert. One of the few vanilla ones.

>>6024157
>>6024171
I've never seen this happen, but then again I hardly used Reviva.

Quit grinding and just head for the endgame or don't rely on mages/undine for grinding.

>>6022610
It's Dream Super Combo, as I've heard. NEVER heard of Dynamic Suplex Combo in all my 20 years of knowing it. Is this some steamfag meme?

Any fun challenge run ideas for romancing saga 2&3?

>>6024236
neither has anyone ever confirmed that it's actually the "Dream Super Combo"

>>6024294
Solo Coppelia.

>>6024294
Female only
Male only
Jutsu only
Waza only
no weapons
no armor
no gold
storebought only
treasure only
no random battles
worst emperor route (fail every event)
final emperor vs the world
Solo MC
Non-Sara Commander Mode only

Bless whoever is in charge of this.

>>6024318
>>6024294
MCs only team. That mean recruit only the characters that can be MC. Best done with Kat.

Epee-nus team. Us only Epee weapons.

Monster tamer. Recruit only non-human beans: Lobster, Snowman, Fairy, Leonid, Elephant.

>>6024330

I finally beat that Red Dragon Ruler blocking my progress to the end of the game. And I didn't even have to grind much with sidequests with most my characters not even breaking 500HP. Thank god I had trample ward and Katarina being fast enough to cast fire wall every turn. Also, what are the benefits of the diversion? I managed to fully complete it with 20 hour delay, but what does that do? Not spawn monsters?

>>6024157
Right on, that explains things. I recreated the bug you mentioned with Julian (who I had as my protagonist), whose build I accidentally fucked up ages ago

Finished the game anyways without much interference from this bug thankfully, and the final roll call ends up illuminating some things.

>>6023886
>I don't know what the impact on the future events would be so I'm being cautious and I'm doing whatever they ask me to do.
smart man. i wont spoil what happens but theres multiple ending for a reason.

This has been out a while, have they added any stuff like a quest for Tatyana or something similar?

If i uninvite a party member in romancing saga 3. can i reinvite them later?

>>6024691
Depends on which character, some are easy to find again, some aren't.

>>6024706
Sarah and Ellen

>>6024596
Actually, yes.

>>6024171
unless you are trying to learn new techs, i suggest the Genbu formation in commander mode. the formation autoheals. i think you can learn it by temp recruiting Boston/Lobster and use it once. then you should be able to use it even w/o Boston.

http://shrines.rpgclassics.com/snes/rs3/formations.shtml

>>6024905
I damn sure ain't gay

>>6024915
>>>/lgbt/ >>>/pol/

4channel is anime board full of little girls.

>>6024920
I'll just say it one more time, I'm not gay

Hey um which of the SaGa games have some horror elements
I love you guys

>>6024168
>sticking to what's most efficient during random battles and testing out different attacks when you fight an enemy that's stronger than others you've faced before
Shit, that's the exact opposite of what I'm doing (spamming the strongest moves during bosses and using a variety of attacks during random encounters).
>Unless you train magic and weapons on everyone or only use cheap attacks you'll run out of WP during major battles, so using lower level techs to open new trees is somewhat inevitable.
I've been using Barrier Stones and SP/MP regens a lot because I have lots of them.

>>6024330
>check Steam reviews
>faggots downvoting it for not explaining everything
I hate the visual novel audience.

>>6024993
You can play as a gay not-vampire(mystic) in SaGa Frontier. One of regions is literally haunted and full of undead.

>>6025610
sounds good. Just SaGa Frontier?

Man I hate level scaling. iirc Saga is what started that shit.

>>6025775
Enemies don't scale to your parties power level. The games have a different sort of counter for this, this isn't like FFVIII that scales everything to your level.

>>6022160
this is cool

>>6025809
>That Omega body T260
Neat.

>>6025809
lol @ Lute

ellen

>>6027312
She is fucking terrible ,cant spark axe , cant spark kung fu ,doesn't have anything unique in whole game ,easily the worst main character in the game

>>6027439
>Can't anything
That's not true If you really wanna spark techs faster,choose her as MC and pick Epee weapon specialisation. You will get Type 11 learning type which can easily spark most techs.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/snes/588634-romancing-saga-3/faqs/30020
https://romancing-saga-3.blogspot.com/p/rs3-techs-waza.html#types


By default Ellen can easily spark ALL the kung fu techs.
https://romancing-saga-3.blogspot.com/p/rs3-techs-waza.html#techlearnsheet

This is old news.
Inb4 banned for shilling gamefaqs because normies only watch video walkthroughs OR call everything CHEATING!!! Especially savegames.

>>6025773
I don't remember anything else spooky. You can transform your monsters in Dullahans. They don't get headless horses though.

>>6024993
pretty much all of them. Very first SaGa game has a room full of dead kids

>>6006596
Does this even matter? I assume there has been a translated snes patch for a while right?

>>6027651
not really no all of them are incomplete or machine translated

>trial of hardship
>fleeing from the charm fight skips the fight altogether
Is this just Kawazu things or a bug?

>>6027669
Whoa really? I thought I had to just tough it out but the battle just suddenly ended right before I died on one attempt. Good to know there's a way around it on a replay.

>>6027681
Yep, really. Got a matriarch item.

>>6025809
I'm still mad at full-mystic Asellus.
Would it hurt to give us the horned sprite instead of the shitty recolor we get in-battle?

>>6027514
>By default
>By default
>By default
and in reality she always sucks at sparking axes and martial arts waza

>>6027651
With a shitty translation. I gave up on it because being able to glean information from NPCs rather than having hit or miss English is important as fuck in a RPG. Though I heard the Spanish translation is good

>>6027903
you didn't even try martial arts you cuck everyone knows that you didn't even think there were any MA waza because you're a fucking tool who's weak in real life and weak even in turn based videogames

>>6027312
I had default Ellen and she ended up one of my stronger characters for some alien reason. Got lucky, sparked a few solid axe techniques and rode that until the very end.

I had a miserable fucking time sparking with big sword/spear on other characters since I had no idea what I was doing though, so she shone mostly because of that.

Minstrel song is a damn masterpiece,

*BLOCKS YOUR PATH*

>>6028187
Why are SaGa girls so underrated?

>>6028198
probably because the games never objectified women

cept for orlouge who was a villain anyway

>>6028198
Their tits aren't put front, left and center.

>>6028223
>Their tits aren't put front, left and center.

>>6028136
Damn fucking straight. It is just head and shoulders above any other JRPG I have played. Is anyone else fucking trying? I rarely play anything but SaGa since most other JRPGs are just a disappointment.

>>6028327
Persona 5 is pretty good anon

>>6028361
stop pretending to be stupid, we don't need that sort of trolling on /vr/

>>6028361
I played Persona 3 and 4. They were good but nothing to want to play another since they all seem to have a similar structure along with the fact they have moments in which you are reading a ton rather than exploring and fighting things.

I am going to worm my way into SMTIV because apparently the world is a bit open and that is attractive to me. Though that is after playing through RS3 and Scarlet Grace.

>>6028372
dude did you actually get cucked out of playing P5?

>>6028396
what does that even mean

I did it guys. I fucking did it

god damnit I really need to beat RS2.

>>6028685
its obvious you haven't formed your own opinions because P5 is a great game, if you think that it's bad its because you think that's what side you're on, but that only happens when a person is manipulated by people with more influence and seeks shelter into the shadow of a group, yet has no awareness of what debased motivations guide the principles of that group. Essentially you've been denied enjoyment of something by someone who sees you as a commodity and doesn't want you spending money in the wrong places or stepping out of your place.

Question about 2: I'm on the final boss and it seems that the whole grinding magic/researching combos was largely worthless for the most part. Stone rain rolls through the majority of the game destroying everything, then when the MC gets to high enough level, you get galactic rift, which is a basic spell. In fact, these base spells were so powerful that I rarely used techs at all except to inflict statuses.

Is phantom maze new content or old?

>>6029145
>then when the MC gets to high enough level, you get galactic rift, which is a basic spell. In fact, these base spells were so powerful that I rarely used techs at all except to inflict statuses.
Who knew grinding levels would ever pay off in an RPG?

>>6029123
Not that other anon, but I agree in that P5 isn't that great of a game. It improves on a lot of things from the previous 2 entries, which can't be ignored, but in the end it still feels like two different games sewn together. I get that the dungeon crawling and social sim elements are supposed to influence each other, but both they ultimately feel shallow because so much focus is split between these two different experiences. I always say I'd prefer if they just went all in on the social side and work from that. Otherwise, the social elements are just distractions and annoyances from what I really want to do: dungeon crawl. And it halts your progress constantly.
But this is a SaGa thread, not a P5 thread, and I don't want to be off topic too much more. I would think people in these SaGa threads typically wouldn't like later persona games because of that constant pulling away from progressing in the actual dungeon crawl gameplay for story that honestly shouldn't be anything more than a backdrop. Sure, you could say that social links remedy that to an extent with the feeling of build progression, but that's more of a band aid on the problem than an actual solution.

>>6029151
Stone rain does not require grinding at all, its like the third tier earth spell. You get it just by casting earth spells for a bit.

>>6029123
>>6029156
>this is a SaGa thread, not a P5 thread
Because that's the only reason to stop talking about non-retro games on a retro board.

>>6029167
With the recent SaGa threads on /v/ due to RS3's release, sometimes I forget if the SaGa threads I leave tabs open for are on /v/ or /vr/. Sorry, anon. That's totally my bad.

>>6029165
I wouldn't say stone rain requires grinding but it's a late-game spell, sometimes I get to the final boss before getting it. You can get techs that are even better and you can get them earlier, e.g. mirage blade. But yeah you can use basically whatever you want and you'll be fine.

>>6029253
Playing the game mostly blind (I did look up a few things when completely stuck) means way more fights and access to those sort of spells more like halfway through.

>>6029165
Does it outdamage shadow servant?

>thread full of people complaining how easy this game is
>mfw can't even beat the sinistrals before the final boss

Stuck on the archfiend armor in the northern cave in the east. Anyone have any idea how much HP this guy has? My ranged physical damage sucks and he's immune to magic. Battle just goes on and on and I lose eventually to the endless summons.

>>6029360
Honestly having a lot more trouble with 3 than I did with 2. Granted I never beat 2, but once I understood how it worked progression was pretty easy. In 3 I keep getting walled off by bosses or lose track of what I'm doing. Doesn't help that it's impossible to know which character will be good at doing what unless you look up a guide. This wasn't as big an issue in 2 because your party was constantly changing, but in this one it seems pretty static so you have to really hope you're doing things right. How can you possibly know that a character with a high magic stat would have pitiful mp and elemental growths, for example?

>>6029382
I dropped 2 a few hours in but decided to stick with 3 to see what's the fuss is all about. Pic is my current team, right in front of a second form Sinistral.

Judging from the thread I either had to buy all the 10k spells and test + reload save before investing my money, or just grind the minigame. I also never managed to pull off any fusion spell I found in a scroll because it requires 3 spellcasters and I barely use magic with 2.

>>6029371
Nevermind, got him. There's RNG about how many times he summons. Got 2 free turns on him at the beginning and barely won.

>>6029156
Like did you not play Digital Devil Saga and Nocturne and Strange Journey and SMT4

like do you seriously need -more- dungeon crawling?

The point of P5 is to either chill out on casual mode or crank up the difficulty and enjoy the full blast economic nightmare of managing time and other resources to actually get your party through that dungeon, the first 3 or 4 hours of RS3 are about running around making connections and earning cash, how can you criticize P5 when it's nothing if not a more robust and intricate version of that skillfully distributed throughout the game into a tasty feedback loop.

You basically have to hate anime to dislike P5 which is not really valid as a criticism when the rest of the series answers that matter of personal taste just fine

>>6029405
Samefag here. I'm starting to think that SaGa games are about finding any OP cheese and mash it over and over like anon >>6029145
and some other guy on youtube abusing shadow servant with the entire party.

Also, pipe your autism. SMT and Persona games are superior in every fucking way, but nobody is forcing you to like them.

I'm reading some sick stuff about epstein and andrew

>>6029630
P5 has decent gameplay and decent sim elements combined in a way that forces the devs to pad a 30 hour long game out to literally 100 hours. It's a solid C+ game that doesn't have the nerve to try anything too crazy for fear of alienating P4's "WHICH GIRL HAS THE STINKIEST BUTT? I WANNA LICK CHIE'S SWEATY PITS!" tier fanbase.

Persona 2 and Persona 3 were enough Persona for me

>>6029360
Enemy encounters are easy, the bosses can hit like a truck. Though depending what order you go at it you could end up steam rolling certain bosses while getting insta wiped by others.
>>6029706
I disagree with that. They don't have the adventure and fun mechanics to play with unlike the SaGa series.

>>6029360
I'm in the exact same situation as you. I managed to beat the fire one at 500HP average before the others seemed impossible with that health amount. I had to grind about 100HP and just now beat the earth and wind one. I also finally sparked some good techs on the wind one after getting terrible luck throughout the entire game, so I think forneus and the final boss will be much more managable now.

>>6027903
>>6027953
I don't get what this same fagging is for. The datamined game mechanics (supposedly) don't lie. At most you have about a 19% chance of sparking a tech, IF the chara has the talent to learn the tech,AND IF you fight a tough enough enemy. Some techs require other techs to spark instead of just punching or using normal attack.
https://romancing-saga-3.blogspot.com/p/rs3-techs-waza.html#sparkchances
If that means Ellen is "suck". Then everyone sucks.

Too hard for you to understand? Well go play peekaboo then. You fucking 12 year old. >>>/v/ >>>/toy/

>>6030071
>there's just no way more than one person could think I'm retarded!

>>6029123
>>6029175
>>6028396
>>6028361
>>6028303
>memeshitposting
>>>/v/

>>6028054
Unless you're using Ellen as MC, there's really no reason to have Ellen on your team. Herman/Black is the best Ax user, though turning him into Black can be tricky since his grandpa form dies easily. Boston is the best martial artist and can be recruited quite early.But his defence sucks for endgame.

>>6030079
How would I know if you're only pretending to be as retarded as another /v/ shitter?

>>6029145
Magic is crappy for endgame since the attack spells are only dependent on INT, and very few characters have high INT. INT increasing equips also tend to have low physical defence. You'll still want at least one good mage for healing. Support spells are more useful.

Swords, Spears and Ax deal the best damage in endgame, with the best (or second best) weapons.

So I talked to every damn npc in the game and still couldn't find out how to progress the quest so I looked it up and you need to talk to Herman the Pirate in Arch to find Maximus. Except he just offers to show me the treasure cave I've already looted ages ago. Did I just bug out the quest here?

>>6030106
>there's really no reason to have Ellen on your team
She's cute. That's more than enough reason to use anyone. Characters are more than just numbers.
Fuck you.

>>6030106
>Unless you're using Ellen as MC, there's really no reason to have Ellen on your team
>Boston is the best martial artist and can be recruited quite early.But his defence sucks for endgame.
So "there's no reason to use Ellen" yet you acknowledge that Boston, who can only be acquired about a third of the way through the game, has a built in armor that is bad for the final third of the game. So for the first third of the game, and the last third, Ellen is either the only option or the better option unless you want to literally exploit a bug that makes the spark list entirely irrelevant.

>>6029947
Yep. I'm not really looking forward to loading the save before the final abyss and grind it up to the optional content, so I'm putting the game on hold.

Which of the DS remakes for SaGa is better?

>>6030397
Glass cannons are viable in endgame. Esp with Commander mode.

And no one is forcing you to use martial arts or axe in early game. Lots of other characters in early game have better CON and overall stats than Ellen. Fact is most of the MCs are pretty crappy compared to non-MCs you can recruit early on.

>>6030216
Shutup , I'm a munchkin, I love looking at numbers in SaGa games!

>>6010360
I kinda get where's you're coming from, but you also have to remember SaGa games work on shoestring budgets most the time, which is why they have forgone overworld exploration in a lot of entries. Hell, being given no budget is part of the reason Scarlet Grace has no dungeons.

>>6030825
SaGa 2

>>6030173
You can't force quests to happen and you likely won't see all the quests in one play through. But if your HP is 500+ and you've heard about Maximus red earrings, and where red coral can be harvested, then try talking to Herman. Maybe beat Forneus first too (with Herman in your party for a reward).

The more I play RS3 (on my 2nd playthrough, almost done) the less satisfied I am with it in comparison with RS2. I feel that the team building and combat element is a lot weaker here. Magic feels crippled and not as exciting and some of the weapons feel pointless (Short Sword, Bow). They are weaker in damage but supposed to make up it with the status effects but status effects aren't as effective anymore, and while they can do decent damage at the end game, even enough to beat the game, they don't serve any purpose in terms of choice. Why do so many people say this is the best one? Is it because it's easier? It's still an excellent game, but it is in no way the best of the bunch, or even second or third.

>>6031057
>Why do so many people say this is the best one?

I don't hear that, at least around here. What people usually say is its the the best (or one of the better) entry points into the series.

>>6031057
Everyone here seems to think that SaGa Frontier/Unlimited/Minstrel Song is the best actually

and they're right

>>6031080
FF2 is the best one.

>>6030952
My HP isn't over 500, so maybe that is the case. I've been bashing my head against Forneus with 400, and gave up to look for other quests to do while I grow stronger. I've heard of red coral.

I know the game is designed around not doing everything in one playthrough, but I'm playing Katarina. Missing the Maximus quest would be like missing the main storyline. I know I've already fucked up several lines and locked myself out of some characters. But I'm just rolling with it. I used to be super autistic about that sort of stuff, not it only slightly bothers me.

>>6031057
You are 100% right but there is still merit in just having an easier to play, better looking sequel, with actual characters in it.

>>6031091
He's right. I still get chills playing old dungeon crawlers that give a little blurb of text when you enter a town or dungeon to try and set the atmosphere for where you are. That's more that can be said of anything recent or modern.

>>6031118
I remember when I first played Dark Law it was super refreshing just to have a game that was so focused in on storytelling and sleuthing like a DnD game while still being a comfy JRPG. Really gives you that "start at level zero" campaign feeling.

>>6031118
I don't like first person, but Phantasy Star 2 gave me that feeling. Amazing game.

>>6031118
there's gotta be some intersection between SaGa Frontier, Unlimited SaGa, and King of Cow Pass that creates the perfect videogame

>>6031352
Assuming you mean King of Dragon Pass, I agree. Having a party of characters who have their own personalities and agendas and give their opinion on what you should do next in a Saga game would be pretty neat.

>>6031091
what a great image

>>6031092
Dude Forneus can be tackled at 300-350 hp with good water resistant items like Lake Robe, Genbu Armor, Fish scales armor and accesories.

Aunas is the easiest one, even moreso if you've already beaten Wagnas in RS2.

btw aunas dungeon is a great place to grind and spark techs, with the fixed magmas and respawning cerberus, who can also drop a fire resistant armor

>>6031551
Does he do water damage at all? My part is immune to water damage, he just hits with physical attacks and maelstrom, which looks like water but does 250ish damage regardless.

>>6031572
So I just beat Forneus and now it lets Herman join me. So I clearly missed whatever trigger allows you to add him to the party early in the game. Or maybe he can't join katarina early. Who the hell knows with these games.

>>6031581
You have to finish Muse's dream and hear about the man with red coral earrings poisoning her or get him when you're sent for the dolphin statue iirc

>>6031572
Yes he does squall, which does a good amount of damage to your entire team. If everyone has water protection then that's a free turn for you instead. Neat huh.

>>6006596
I wanna play 2 more than 3. Is anyone working on SNES ROM translations for any of them?

>>6032092
No

>tfw Dragon God doesn't work when wearing archfiend armor and shield

won anyways, but felt really dumb

>>6032090
I forgot about that because he didn't even cast it the attempt I beat him on. I just got lucky with evades.

>>6032161
Only a woman would play Katrina with an all male team

>>6032264
Shut up

>>6032092
No. Based Lord Kawazu beat Gideon to the punch. Maybe if you bug Gideon about it... Oh wait.

>>6032264
Are you sure?

>>6031110
>RS3
>actual characters
let's not get too excited there buddy

>>6032161
Odd, in the original Dragon God is pretty much the only thing that actually does work with Devil King Shield

I guess it was pretty OP though

Recommend me a good "first" character in Unlimited Saga. I started as Ventus because someone recommended it to me and managed to sink in 10 hours already, but I feel like the freedom you're given just lead me to procrastinate with the side quests. I want someone a bit more on rails as I feel like that would help keep me focused on the important stuff to learn the ins and outs better and actually finish the game one day.

First time playing any Saga game, guys. Starting with 3. What do I need to know? Beginner's tips?

>>6033284
Don't start as Sarah or Mikhail. If you pick Katarina don't choose Great Swords as her main weapon. Those are the 3 important things to know.

>>6033283
Most people recommend Laura or Ventus

Ventus has the advantage of having unlimited sidequests available so you can properly learn the mechanics and grind, and stuff. Laura no idea

Mythe and Armic are an absolute no-go

>>6033284
Talk to everyone, everywhere

Healing revives a fainted ally

You can run away from tons of battles, even some bosses

There's no much need to powerlevel until lategame (if you want to tackle the superboss, that is)

>>6033294
I guess I'll do Laura then because I don't want to be able to grind on my first proper playthrough.

>>6033292
>If you pick Katarina don't choose Great Swords as her main weapon
this is totally fine though

>>6033292
>If you pick Katarina don't choose Great Swords as her main weapon
I did this and she's great

>>6033304
>>6033305
You can pick any combination and be fine in RS3. Point is that if you want to play her as she's "intended". as a GSword user, you don't want to pick the GSword.

>>6033306
w
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>>6033312
It'll glitch her spark type so she won't be sparking any GS techs.

>>6033318
But in my playthrough she sparked stuff like disarm and petal dance

And I switched to swords anyway so she could use doppelganger

>>6033318

>>6033321
It's just luck as RS3 doesn't wall you off from learning techs based on type unlike RS2. It just makes it much, much easier.

>>6033334
It's more intuitive in the way that if a character comes equipped with a certain weapon then s/he'll surely spark most of the stuff related to that weapon

In RS2 there were many many characters that weren't like this

anybody else kinda feel ambivalent about their first replay party after taking like 12 hours to remember how to play the game

I'm right at the part where you start knocking out the abyss gate dungeons and collecting tons of phat loot before steamrolling all the bosses and like, there are things I should have done different, no question

>>6033318
If I'm not mistaken you need to save and restart the game to remove the glitch

>>6033284
As much as it pains me there is a... Thread on r/jrpg with tons of tips.

>>6033602
Even then the remake doesn't have those bugs.

>>6033604
what if a person wants tips without losing hope that the rest of the human race has any sort of autonomy

snowman bump

>>6033642
Saved

>>6033294
Mythe was hell as my first time through and by dumb luck I made it to the final boss. I couldn't beat him, of course, when he was attacking me and taking 4-5LP in some combos. That hellscape of a first playthough definitely made me fall in love with the game, though.
It's a shame that RS3 doesn't feel nearly as replayable to other games in the series I've tried. I guess it's more of a once in a long while sort of jrpg, with the characters giving a slightly different flavor to a playthrough rather than any significantly different experience.

>>6033283
I always start on the default cursor in SaGa games. So Judy.

>>6033620
I know that feeling.

>>6033306
>>6033318
Is this confirmed? I don't want to start a gimped Katarina, I think I'll wait until someone hack the code.

Help me understand something: People claim there's a logic behind a character's starting equipment. My Julian starts off with TWO swords, a longsword and a broadsword. Why would I ever want to use the longsword that deals less damage than the broadsword? And why would I need to have Julian wear both? Is there a dual wielding system that I'm not aware of?

>>6006596
How "unfinished" is the unfinished fan translation?

>>6034585
It's finished enough that you can beat the game with it, everything but the credits is translated it just very obviously still needed some editing

>>6034442
One-handed swords can use shields, will spark better techs mid-late game, and have the highest-damaging tech among both sword types for endgame.

Broadswords are stronger early, and early-mid, get a couple hours where you won't spark shit, then come back strong for late game.

>>6034630
You mean the broadsword isn't just a name change but an actual weapon class, like the Saber? They should had used different sprites for it.

>>6034419
She'll be type 9 if you choose greatsword. Both 2 and 9 are greatsword specialist types. Another anon already posted the greatsword table for type 9, which shows she's only missing a couple mid-tier skills which can easily be learned by almost any other character. The advantage of 9 over 2 is having Earth Crescent, which is the most difficult greatsword skill to learn.

>>6034585
>>6034626
Questionable graMMar and sentence structures. Otherwise playable. I don't remember any text from the credits though.

>>6033292
This is a lie. Great S. techs spark just fine with Kat. But since GS stops you from using shields, you might wanna pick something else STR-based. Kat has pretty high STR, unless you chose scholar as his class or something.

>>6034442
>a dual wielding system that I'm not aware of?
only way to dual wield is with the Silverhand from Muse's subquest. Silverhand only works with 1 handed weapons of course. If you give it the one-armed magic knight from Muse's quest, it just makes him not suck.

>>6031352
>intersection
Multigenre games usually sucked. Much like intersectional >>>/pol/

>>6034419
The actual difference is that Type 10 (Spear) Kat has Parry and Type 9 (Big Sword) doesn't. For some reason this is the only meaningful difference between the two unless you actually use spears in which case type 10 also has all the spear techs. But if you really wanted a spear user you can't beat Fairy. Similarly you'd be hard pressed to make a better Axe/Mace user than Black/Nora or a better Bow user than Zhi Lin, so if you plan your party in advance it's somewhat inevitable that you'll end up going with slashing or piercing swords with your MC if you don't just make them your magic crown outright, though I might make Mikhail an Axe specialist next playthrough regardless.

>>6035037
Though now that I'm looking at the numbers the best thing for Harid and Katarina is probably Kung Fu, which brings me to the realization that maybe the MCs aren't the best sidekicks.

Replaying RS2. I really, REALLY wish they didn't hide armor stats.

>>6035090
Their stats are suited for it but I never use kung fu except for boston because the best formation has a heavy speed penalty

>Find a monster in Archlord's castle that makes me spark tons of tech
>only catch is I have to keep fleeing because I cannot kill it
Should I go autistic on his ass?

I just discovered how broken counter attacks are in RS2 (and presumably RS3). A fast character will easily have a 100% counter rate in amazon strike and you can even get to 100% in desert lance with the right setup.

>>6035225
I don't know if that formation is really the best desu it may be better to be able to go first and heal after taking damage than to reduce all damage in general. There are a lot of fights where you can just play bucket brigade and have each party member heal the next to stay standing, and Speculation/Phoenix Dance/Dragon Form all have the added benefit of splitting up your formation so you don't get just sweeped by dragon tail or something and wipe out that way.

Is it a good idea to recruit everyone you meet the first time for potential formations, then kick them out in the pub?

Also, thread doesn't bump anymore, maybe we should move.

>>6035413
There might be some fights where you want to change it up to avoid line-based attacks but the defense boost is really massive, usually it means your characters don't get 1-shot so you just heal an injured character instead of a dead one.

Before I go because eurofag that has to sleep, here is my worst start with Julian that happened today.
>Lost Monika on the ship
>Declined Nora, missing tiger formation
>Tried to get the Thomas event but the door was locked, managed to unlock it eventually by walking into the weapon shop
>Blacksmithing was slow as fuck, probably because I didn't help Nora
>Started the business game and that locked the npc that unlocks Faro's for free

I'm getting my salt and switch back to Katarina

>>6035378
You don't need to kill it unless you want to attempt mastering it. But you can do that in other fights anyways,

The best early-spark enemies are:

Pig-gnome boss in Archlord's castle (15 ish I think)
Magmas at Aunas castle (21 ish)
Cerberus at Aunas castle (25 ish)

All of these respawn. The latter ones can teach you really strong waza like Gale Sword, Dynamic Hit, Double Dragon and some other hard hitters.

Players can also try their luck on Zweig's tournament. I had my Fat Robin learn Southern Cross really early on, making him my heavy hitter for mid-game despite being stuck with epees. He just destroyed that guy who holds the Archlord shield.

>>6035785
Well yeah, I know which enemies count as "good for sparking" I just don't know if it's worth the trouble or will make the game braindead easy and make me lose interest.

>>6035037
>Fairy.
Is a glass cannon. Kat has more well rounded stats.
>Zhi Lin
Isn't Paul better? And you can get him earlier if you purposely get defeated by the bandits.

>>6035090
Harid and Thomas are good as non-MC recruits.The rest of them are meh. Though Sara allows you to recruit Shonen, who is very good.

>>6035424
>Lost Monika on the ship
Like I said before, that is the easiest way to get the better ending if you wanna ship Monica/Julian. Monica sucks as a team member anyway.

>>6036041
Why do you even take risks? Play a VN then.

>>6036065
What's good about paul? I thought zhi lin had higher dex.

>>6036079
You can get him earlier and I think he has a better spark table.

>>6006596
damn. this thread got autosaged already. damn outre rules for /vr/, man.

>>6036146
Looks like he's good at sparking a lot of stuff but bad at sparking bow techs