/vr/ - Retro Games

The hardware costs the same whether or not it has a GBA code included. Ask instead why the Super NT wasn't Genesis compatible and there needed to be a Mega SG

>>6000647
Why are the face buttons so close together? Looks really awkward and uncomfortable.

Why not just make it more GBA shaped? Or GBA SP shaped?

>>6000647
I guess they couldn't make the shoulder buttons larger because of the cartridge slot or something. I was never a big fan of the SP's shoulder buttons either but eh. Not much else they could have done with this design.

>>6000647
You know, looking at this design more, the placement of the start, select and home(?) buttons are in a really awkward spot too.

>>6000647
I genuinely am more interested in GBA on this in docked mode. The backlit GBA SP and the Micro are prefectly fine options for playing GBA games in handheld mode, the appeal for me is GBA games in HD.

>>6000671
stop exposing the business.

Looks like absolute ass. Why not just buy an original?

>>6000835
You can already do gba 360p x6(2160p) on a Gamecube using GBI and an Ossc.

>>6000865
This has Gamegear, Lynx, and NeoGeo Pocket support, although I don't particularly care for any of those.

>>6000869
It plays gamegear cartridges?

>>6000873
Via adapters.

>>6000865
Sturdy tech that's brand new and of high quality while playing games exactly the same as genuine hardware. Will probably have video options and stuff like that too. It'll be hacked within a couple weeks so you can play every GB/GBA game on it with a micro SD card, too.

>>6000884
How big of a micro SD would you need to house the entire library of all those consoles?

>>6000889
For GB and GBC and GBA? Should be fine with a 16GB if you cut out some of the alternate language duplicates and stuff, 32GB to be safe and then you can benefit from the entire Game Gear, Lynx, Neo Geo Pocket libraries as well.

>>6000889
I was able to fit the whole gb/gbc/gba library on a 32gb card I can't recall the exact size. The library of those other 3 are much smaller, I bet you could get all of them on a 64gb or at worst definitely a 128gb which are all dirt cheap now.

>>6000892
Shit, because you can get a 256 GB microSD for pretty cheap these days.

>>6000896
Yeah it's pretty incredible. You can get a 256 GB for all of 50 bucks these days. That's thousands of games, on one memory card, to play on one handheld (also this is what the Nintendo Switch could have been if Nintendo had any sense).

>>6000898
Whoops, I really need to re-read my posts before I hit submit.

Anyway, example given; you can probably find better deals around, but I'm an Ausfag and we get hit with a GST and have fewer options in general so I buy pretty often from this seller:
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32795185941.html

>>6000671
Because Analogue products are bougie bullshit for hipsters with cash to burn.

>>6000647
>posts on /vr/
>has these little tiny numbers called age and iq

>>6000671
This sounds wrong. (About the Pocket, that is. You're probably right about the Mega Sg.) The ARM7TDMI has about 9x the transistors of the Z80, so surely an FPGA emulator for the GBA would need approximately 9x the space.

>>6001028
Every FPGA Analogue has produced as well as the MiSTer are all built around the same FPGA, the Altera Cyclone V and the Pocket will be no exception. Have no doubt it's Analogue that decides what cores they allow Kevtris to release for what platform, not a matter of technical limitation. Also actual transistor count of the processors isn't as important a figure as you might think since as much as the official language might lead you to believe otherwise, these cores are not direct recreations of the original hardware. They only say it "allows" for that. The cores are based on other cycle accurate software emulators, just implemented at the hardware level.

>>6000912
Not necessarily. It's actually much wiser to bring existing emulation technology down "to the metal" than to try to reinvent the wheel by mapping and recreating the processors from scratch. For example, the SNES processor hasn't even been decapped despite the popularity of the console. What FPGAs do cannot be replicated by other methods, especially not when power consumption and physical size are a factor which is why a pocket sized package is an excellent demonstration of the technology. If you think your softmodded Vita or N3DS is offering the same kind of accuracy as this device will then its not for you and you should stick with it.

The $200 price isn't even outrageous considering that a MiSTer setup will cost you that much and is bigger with no screen or battery or controller and that Analogue is well known, indeed built their business off the quality of their cases. The dock being separate is probably how they cut some corners to deliver at this price and still turn a profit.

For me, everything hinges on what this "second fpga for community development" actually means. Is this device going to run MiSTer cores? Is "Smokemonster" going to be allowed to release the NT Mini cores for this device? Will the Super NT and Mega SG cores materialize?

>>6001082
These are the questions Analogue needs to specifically answer if they want my support. I accepted their implication that their vagueness about core support on the Super NT was for anti-piracy law compliance and then they announced the Mega SG. I'm not going to support that kind of business when they would sell as many consoles as they cared to produce if they just played it straight with the community.

>>6001082
It's already been said that the Analog Pocket will be using 2 smaller more advance FPGAs then the Cyclone V (both are the same FPGA), 1 FPGA for the GBA core and another FPGA for everything else as the GBA is a FPGA core hog.

>>6001082
>second fpga for community development
Fuck I hope it ends up supporting the Super NT cores.

>>6001109
Welp then they lost my money and I'll be trashing this thing up and down from now on. Please link where they said that so I can be sure I'm not just going off some anon's word for it.

>>6001115
If they're not using Cyclone Vs then literally none of the existing library of cores will be compatible with it and no one will bother supporting it. Wait for a Game Boy style case and/or a slimmer package to be released for MiSTer

>>6001082
>the same FPGA
Nope. They use very different parts. It's like saying a $100k 911 is the same car as a $300k 911 because they're part of the same product line. And if you're so retarded you get the basics of what's under the hood wrong then why the fuck should anyone believe anything you say? Are you so new that you weren't here for the last few FPGA threads where there was no shortage of ignorant fucks like yourself LARPing and bullshitting. Or were you one of those shitposters who just didn't lean his lesson?

>>6000672
For children's fingers.

>>6000647
>why not just cut GBA support
Because most people buying analogue shit are 18 year old zoomers who’s first console was a gba. They’re guaranteed to sell a shit ton more units with gba support.

Only way I'd buy an Analogue FPGA console is if it did the following:
>portable device
>native HDMI out
>native 240p RGBs out
>"unlocked" and could run a wide variety of stuff from NES to Genesis to GBA to TG16, etc

Otherwise they're just overpriced novelties that aren't worth it. 200 fucking dollars for an FPGA genesis is not worth it when I can get a real genesis for 20 or 30 bucks. But if it can natively do both digital and analogue output, and it was a one-stop-shop portable that could also easily double as as home console, then it'd have all bases covered and would be worth considering.

>>6000647
wait so you still physically need all the games to play on this? why not just get an sp

>>6001405
The thing with analogues products is they always get jailbroken so you can run games through their sd card reader which is usually used to update the firmware. Also you can't play Gamegear, NeoGeo Pocket, or Lynx games on an Sp.

>>6001356
I'll take a $10k 996 with a spun rod bearing and pay $5k labor to have a $15k crate LS7 put into it with the $8k Renegade Hybrids kit to have a 911 that shits all over a $100k OR a $300k 911 on street, track and strip

Just like I'll take a MiSTer with a non-proprietary Cyclone V FPGA if and when it fits into a quality Game Boy form factor if Analogue isn't going to give it to me.

So you can take your talking down fucking anonymous argument from authority and shove it right back up your ass. It doesn't matter if "our proprietary fpga formats are constantly being revised to blah blah blah and that's why they're incompatible with multiple cores which maybe you would understand if you weren't blah blah blah larp bullshit blah blah blah". If your product doesn't offer the features that your competitor offers then I'm not going to buy your product. It's as simple as that and I'm going to make as many people aware of that clearly intentional shortcoming and the availability of the competing well-intentioned product.

If you don't like it your efforts would be better spent revising your product than attacking me.

>>6000868
Holy crap that's a lot to put together just for gba on the tv

>>6001395
>But if it can natively do both digital and analogue output, and it was a one-stop-shop portable that could also easily double as as home console, then it'd have all bases covered and would be worth considering.
Their first NES one was like that but it was way too expensive and everyone told them to just go HDMI only and focus on that, which they did.

>>6001495
It is if you want 4k GBA, but like Gamecube with GBA adapter and an output cable is all you really need to play on a TV.

>>6001438
The FPGAs used in Analogue devices and MiSTer are off the shelf parts. I don't know why you think anything's "proprietary" but it just goes to show how little you know about what you're trying to talk about. I love how you assume that something must be my product simply because I'm able to look at a board, read a part number and look up what it is. I'm sure many people will listen to the rantings of a fool who thinks that.

>>6001149
A more advance FPGA = A better FPGA.

The NT Mini, Super NT & SG uses a single 512 core FPGA chip, while the Analog Pocket uses 2 1024 core FPGAs as the ARM7 core alone takes up 640 of the 1024 cores alone hence why one of the FPGAs is reserved for the GBA alone, the other FPGA is for everything else (GB, GBC, WS, WSC, GG, NGP and NGPC).

As for the Mister....
>>6001356
The Mister uses a 1024 core FPGA with a real Cortex-A9 CPU, not the same as the NT Mini, Super NT & SG.
>>6001395
You also need a RGB scart cable which is around $35-70 bucks and a OSSC which is $200-250 depending if you buy the extras, it's cheaper to just do Analog.

Also the Genesis is analog video only.

>>6000647
>cut GBA support and make the device a lot cheaper?
it wouldn't change the price at all. they shoulda just done a GBA/vita/PSP type form factor

>>6001109
Cyclone V is the main chip and Cyclone 10 will be the other chip. Developers will have access to the Cyclone V confirmed by Kevtris. Cyclone 10 will probably handle I/O and such

>>6002057
Not true as the ARM7 uses more FPGA cores (640) then what the Cyclone V has (512), also the Cyclone V not only takes up to much energy to be used in a handheld but it's also to large to be used in a hand held as well, both chips are 7nm as that will allow it to not only do GBA hardware emulation nut also have the other chip to do other systems as the 1st FPGA is reserved on the GBA as theres no more room on that FPGA chip for other systems.

Both FPGAs in the Analog Pocket have 1024 cores on them.

>>6001362
An 18 year old today would have been born in 2001, and likely started with the DS, and probably not even the launch model.

>>6002017
>I don't know why you think anything's proprietary
Gee, maybe because practically everything is? But you know, prove me wrong and go ahead and do something as simple as porting the Super NT core to the practically identical Mega SG? Can't do it? Gee I wonder why.

Bottom line is that people don't need to believe me when they can just open their eyes and see that Analogue is wilfully withholding cores for their hardware while the MiSTer project is making actual off-the-shelf hardware the platform for their totally public cores.

The reason I think you're a fucking shill at the very least and quite possibly an actual Analogue employee is how you're trying to justify very transparent bad-faith business practices with meaningless but lofty sounding nonsense.

At least you backed off trying to make /o/ related metaphors. That was just embarrassing but let me tell you something else about Porsche. The 911 was an incredibly innovative platform 40 years ago but Porsche clung to it and only upgraded it and most importantly put some truly bad engines in it. It's only going to take one little slip up for Analogue to get the same reputation.

>>6002057
>>6002070
Please continue this argument because I'm quite eager to see which one of you offers up proof of what you're claiming (I'm rooting for >>6002057)

>>6002226
The guy who posted >>6002057 is lying and has lied in the past.
We know it's not the Cyclone V as it does not have enough FPGA core to emulate the ARM7 by itself as well as being too large and drains too much power to be used in a handheld.

Also the FPGA Analog uses is 512 FPGA cores when a off the shelf Cyclone V tops at around 300 FPGA cores, the ARM7 needs 640 FPGA cores just for the CPU alone so a more modern/smaller FPGA is required (the Cyclone V is a 28nm chip), hence why 2 7nm 1024 core FPGAs will be used on the Analog Pocket as they barely take any energy to run the handheld through a battery.

>>6000647
>GBA game tells you to press L+A
>.......

>>6002263
Why not have a real ARM7 in there? What is the draw of a Cyclone V? There's some pretty bitchin' batteries these days

>>6002226
All I'm doing is calling out a bullshiter. Now anyone who cares knows they can simply google for a pic of an Analogue product and MiSTer and compare the markings on chips to confirm you're full of shit. You can cry as much as you want about how you can't afford expensive toys but none of that will change the fact that you're an ignorant bullshitter who doesn't even understand what he's talking about.
The car metaphor was very good and the fact that you're still seething over it shows how effective it was. What's embarrassing is your LARP about how you'd pay someone to customize a car. You can't even afford a $300 toy. From the sounds of it you might not even be old enough to drive.

>>6002268
whats the problem here

>>6002486
ARM7 cores are not made anymore, as for the Cyclone V it's bulky in it's physical size (the Anolog Pocket does not have enough room on it's motherboard to use the chip), uses the outdated 28nm die size, eats battery power like a pig and does not have enough cores to enough to use the ARM7 core (a off the shelf Cyclone V maxes out at 301 cores, Anolog's custom Cyclone V is at 512 cores, the ARM7 FPGA core use 640 cores which means they can't fit it using the FPGA they have now so they replaced it with a newer 7nm 1024 core FPGA for the Analog Pocket, 2 of them in fact).

Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rats ass about portable gaming? Pokémon and GBA fire emblem and some other games are ok but the gb/bnc/gba library is vastly inferior to their respective console counterparts. Particularly trying to get GameCube setup with gbi seems like a huge waste of time and money. I literally grew up playing gba more then any other console but if I’m spending time at home doing retro I’d rather play the snes version of a game over a gba port. Name me even 5 good game boy experiences I can’t get on any other 16 bit console

>>6002757
Theres a dock you can buy for this.

>>6000647
>>6002763
What's the value of this if I already have a GameCube + GB Player with GBI + flashcarts?

>>6002823
Proper 1080p upscaling.

>>6002732
>eats battery power like a pig
It's advertised as having the lowest power consumption in the industry - 88mw max per channel at 5Gbps
>Anolog (sic) Pocket does not have enough room on it's motherboard to use the chip
doubt.jpg

Even if they aren't sourcing real ARM7 processors (that still seem to be quite available as NOS) doesn't it seem quite possible that they'll be using "their" larger fpga to simulate the system processor while leaving the community fpga fully available?

At any rate, a Cyclone V is certainly small enough to fit on a GBP sized motherboard (pic related) and your repeated rattling off of the same numbers as justification doesn't really address the actual questions.

I look forward to Analogue's official clarification of the matter. Or even just a statement from "Smokemonster"

>>6002823
It runs more than just GB and GBA, at a non blurry properly upscale resolution, no ones putting a gun to your head and making you buy it anon. You can just ignore this and move on with your life

I really just want them to release it in more colours. Until then I'm not interested.

>>6002757
>Am I the only one who doesn’t give a rats ass about portable gaming?

I'm in the same boat. Even as a little kid, 99% of my play time witha gameboy was done sitting on the floor by the power outlet.
'portable' really meant it was small and convenient to take to a friend's house for multiplayer, but the amount of time I ran that thing off a battery was probably but a few hours out of an entire decade.

The only games I played on it were those that were exclusive to platform. I never had any interest in playing shitty versions of things that were better played on something else.

Even though I would love to have this, I still CAN'T WAIT for the day the Mister FPGA board turns into a portable form factor.

Also, for all of those not in the know, a GBA core for Mister is in development right now. It's still a WIP though (and not available on the project's GitHub page), like all the others.

The core in question: https://github.com/RobertPeip/FPGBA

>>6003073
Ok, I see that there are die shrinks to the Cyclone V, but theres still not enough cores on the chip (512 FPGA cores) to handle the ARM7 by itself (which takes 640 FPGA cores alone).

>>6000868
the OSSC only supports line 3x (1080p) for 360p I thought?

>>6003209
Good. When I checked the core list at the beginning of this thread it struck me how that was absent and its a new and significant feature for this Analogue thing - significant enough to be the actual topic of this thread. Could this be some kind of double bluff reverso shill though, to draw attention to that feature? Who knows. It's nice that it'll be on MiSTer soon though.

>>6003223
But Analogue said there's going to be two FPGAs - one for the community to develop for. Now the question is more if they'll be able to fit and power a Cortex A9 either a real one or a virtual one because they'd need that too for MiSTer cores to be compatible.

I just freaking wish Kevtris would come out and say "yes I will be porting cores for this"

>>6004143
>But Analogue said there's going to be two FPGAs.
Yes, 2 7nm 1024 core FPGAs.
>One for the community to develop for.
As the other one is reserved for the GBA core.

>>6000647

>>6004179
Citation needed

>>6004221
No, already been proven as the Cyclone V does not has enough cores on the chip (512 FPGA cores) to handle the ARM7 by itself (which takes 640 FPGA cores alone).

>>6004227
Okay... I guess I'll say it again maybe more simply and in all caps.

MAYBE THE "COMMUNITY" FPGA IS A CYCLONE V AND THE OTHER ONE IS BIGGER

>>6004245
Both FPGAs in this are 1024 cores, the Cyclone V caps off at 301 cores while Analog's custom version is only 512 cores.

>>6004250
Citation needed

>>6004256
No that is true.
https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/programmable/us/en/pdfs/literature/pt/cyclone-v-product-table.pdf

>>6004260
Jesus fucking Christ. Not about that, about what FPGAs are going to be in the Analogue Pocket

>>6004263
They're custom chips.

>>6000647
Og hardware or bust

>>6004260
>when the "proof" you post only proves that you've been using the therm "cores" incorrectly the whole time
lol

>>6000672
I guess you unironically typed this on a phone keyboard?

>>6004181
Yeah that's not perfect, but you don't actually put your hand there, like you don't cover the speaker on a DMG

>>6002757
I agree completely. I only cared about portability as a kid because
1) I could play it at school and on the bus
2) I didn't have a TV of my own in my room
3) I didn't need to share the TV/handheld with siblings

But these are all upsides that only matter when you're a kid. Past that, portability is pointless. For example, the Switch's "switching" ability has zero appeal to me, and I would've preferred they just release the thing with a home-console-only version that takes out all the shit I don't care about for half the price.

>>6002042
Genesis RGB cable can be made for a couple dollars. OSSC costs less than 200 and is useful for all consoles. HDMI consoles are gay.

>>6004221
>>6004256
I can find out.

>>6005304
Do it then

>>6005172
>Genesis RGB cable can be made for a couple dollars.
Uhhh....
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/sega-mega-drive-1-sega-genesis-1-stereo-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead-pro-build
https://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/sega/sega-mega-drive-2-sega-genesis-2-rgb-av-scart-cable-tv-lead
They cost more then that to make.

>HDMI consoles are gay.
No they are not, they are straight.

>>6005624
>What is mark up for profit.

>>6000647
I am going to guess they tested this thing to death and until it is in your hands you might as well not comment. A smaller company like this can't make bad decisions because the second a real person has a real unit and complains is the second they lose thousands of units sold.

>>6005624
I'm sorry but I can't help you if you're that retarded. All you need for a genesis cable is an 8-pin U-shape din connector, a scart head, some wire, and a couple caps/resistors.

>>6005953
Debunked, the caps/resistors have to be very high quality to avoid damaging the system as is also the case with it's other components.

You don't use cheap Chinese junk when making scart cables, the parts must come from Japan (mainly) or another first world country (like Germany & South Korea) to avoid damaging the system, the quality of the parts do matter.

>>6006224
lol

>>6006224

>>6006224
lmao are you a monkey? How do you think we used RGB back in the day? You think RGB is some sort of new technology developed for retro consoles and we had jews making us $40 Scart cables?

>>6005953
HOLY FUCK IT IS THAT EASY?!!!?? Oh no wait, no it isn't. That is why everyone is charging $25-50 and sometimes still getting jailbars.

>>6006661
Nothing's easy for an ignorant zoomer

>>6006661
learn to solder, retard. Also jailbars are due to things like using sync-on-composite.

>>6006658
>How do you think we used RGB back in the day?
Like this, but only in PAL markets and Japan.
The cables were $25-30 bucks back in their hay day, also Retro Gaming Cables crew is 100% Protestant while the woman who runs Retro Access (https://retro-access.com/)) is Catholic.

No Jewish people making these in sight.

>>6007064
Uhhh.... You need a triple bypass mod to get rid of the jail bars.
https://www.retrorgb.com/genesisrgbbypass.html

>>6006658
>How do you think we used RGB back in the day?
Like this, but only in PAL markets and Japan.
The cables were $25-30 bucks back in their hay day, also Retro Gaming Cables crew is 100% Protestant while the woman who runs Retro Access (https://retro-access.com/)) is Catholic.

No Jewish people making these in sight.

>>6007161
I agree, even in the US anyone who was using RGB was using imported oem scart cables but... why do you know the denominations of the Christians who are making them now?

>>6007161
What’s wrong with you?

>>6005953
I suspect strongly that if you got a decent scart head, a solid DIN plug and the triple screened cable that RGC use you'll likely be at half the retail + your time. That's pretty standard markup given that you're probably not buying in bulk.
If on the other hand you are using cheap cable and cheap plugs, well, I hope you don't hear the noise and your TV is h-sync jitter tolerant.
RGC's cables are far from the best, but they are good enough and for an okay price and solve problems that cheaper cables have, so I'm happy to spend the not-very-much-money.

Doesn't look much different to the SP's shoulder buttons.

>>6002823
Someone wil hax0r it to play ROMs before long.

>>6000874
>no emulation
>constant updates to improve compatibility with games that worked on original hardware

really makes you think

>>6000647
>Most people are just going to play Game Boy games on it anyway.

What makes you say that?