/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Currently looking for mappers, testers, and anyone else who can help.
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

=== NEWS ===

[11-6] DBP17 RC2 released, an Aliens-themed mapset
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/110070-dbp17-alone/

[11-4] MORTIS, a gameplay mod
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=66279

[11-4] BlooM, a Doom/Blood crossover
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=66261

[11-4] GMOTA 1.3 scheduled for the 15th this month
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIACyDExUj8&feature=youtu.be

[11-2] Kinsie releases a WIP of 'Deathmatch Simulator'
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=66264&sid=3421fd12811cbd9c13bc2ff851980cae

[10-31] Death Wish for Blood updated to 1.6.7
https://www.moddb.com/mods/death-wish-for-blood

[10-31] Quake Halloween Jam 2 out now
http://www.celephais.net/board/view_thread.php?id=61786

[10-31] Doom 4 Vanilla v2.3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH4bU3wWAXI

[10-29] Guncaster Vindicated updated to 3.2.0
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eD8gPMaGc7E

[10-29] Guncaster updates to 3.5.7
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=37066&sid=69353dbf78756b18deee151bc797cd60

[10-28] New Blood addon 'Fleshed Out'
https://www.moddb.com/mods/blood-fleshed-out/downloads/fleshed-out-1-0

[10-25] jcr shamelessly self-promotes his Q1 map curation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqp_DyDgxjw

[10-22] Doom Tournament and Doomreal 1.0 now available
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=60759
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=65969

[10-21] GZDoom updates to 4.2.3
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=66171&p=1122190#p1122190

[10-21] Zandronum updated to 3.0.1
https://zandronum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9775

[10-21] Colorful Hell's 'Brown beta 2' released
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1122162#p1122162

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Not a hitscanner in sight. Just people enjoying the moment

>>5996958

>>5996957
>nu-bj

>>5996990
Nice.

>>5996957
doomed man would be more into AiC than Slayer since that's the band Bobby ripped off the most

>>5997030
I'm still pissed the cyberdemon has a better ass than I do.

Will there ever be a sequel to Pirate Doom? Comfiest Doom WAD I've ever played.

Imagine it, Pirate Doom II : LeChuck's Revenge

>>5997056
makes ya think

>>5997064
DEMONIC
GLUTES

Syndicate Black Ops used that quake doom mod's models for absolutely no reason other than ez to import into goldscr

so the amazing sequel has cyberdemons in it, naturally
if you for some reason haven't played it already, go do it now

>>5997097
The HL mod?

>>5997115
the HL mod is ballanced for 16 player lemmings no-scope
the sequel has actual difficulty settings

>>5997118
There is a sequel to that train wreck? Shit I just went back to 2003.

>>5997123
the sequel got all the attention since it's a game you can buy on steam for 10 bucks full price
THERE WAS A PREQUEL HL MOD?

>>5997126
Its from the EYE guys right?

>>5997128
>the mod has pitbull grenades
do you even need to ask

>>5997129
Kinda sad they just seemed to vanish after the janky as fuck Deathwing. Not only deathwing was merely passable,we are probably never getting a more developed and even crazier EYE 2.

Guess they just got fed up with game development. Sad I want more eurojank.

>>5997134
Deathwing was disappointingly non-eurojank, unless you count performance on release
gorgeous environments, soul sucking gameplay. WH 40k belongs on the tabletop not in vidya.

>>5997137
>WH 40k belongs on the tabletop

Dont agree. There are good 40k games, last one was Mechanicus, I think its also french. Great OST, amazing style, actually good writing is a almost non existent in games and nice gameplay.

Frog games have good writing lately, I rally liked that adventure game the council.

>>5997141
I dunno man trudging around inside a metal tin can T H I C C as fuck armor that doesn't actually protect you from sharp ayy lmao claws isn't my idea of fun
Space hulk definitely doesn't belong in vidya

Dawn of war games were OK, but hey RTS and miniature wargaming are one and the same

>>5997147
Well golden age relic could make anything good.
Space Marine was really good as well. You should try mechanicus.

Here is also hoping gearbox does not fuck Homeworld 3 too much and let them work.

>>5997148
I got space marine 4 free and it was awful
toilet seat marines can go die in a fire, plus the game is UGLY even for an xbawks 360 game of that era

>>5997149
It suffers from shit from that era but I think its pretty good. Nice atmosphere, meaty bolter combat. Shame never got a sequel.

should i play Doom64 EX?

>>5997151
Yes, you should.

>>5997150
I think a deus ex style Necromunda game can work
spehss mehrines just drag everything down

>>5997153
True, but the smurfs always get the limelight. A dark heresy rpg fps, even just an regular good old isometric rpg like underrail could work.

Truth of the matter triple A money will never go into 40k. Its too crazy for big developers.

>>5997154
a lot of what works (?) on the tabletop doesn't translate to FPS is my point
40k isn't really all that crazy either, just juvenile and kinda dumb

>>5997159
Yeah so?

40k goes from juvenile and dumb, to metal as fuck and dumb. Its the only sci fi fantasy remaining with ties to decent old heavy metal magazine dumb type of shit.

I guess you can always play with lesbian asexual niggers in outer worlds instead anon.

>>5997168
I've read a lot of bad sci-fi and some of the shit from the 60s is REALLY out there
dunno if lesbian niggers are my jam but thanks for the projection

>>5997169
After all isn't doom also juvenile and dumb?

>>5997172
I can see that side of the argument, but it's also self contained and interpretative to an extent
doesn't have much fluff around it, just crunch

>>5997178
There is crazier and more imaginative sci fi fantasy for sure.

But I cant deny I love how 40k kinda became a last redoubt for well, juvenile and dumb catholic space nazis killing ay lmaos. Kinda helps it has cool artist making shit for it.

>You have won! Your victory has enabled humankind to evacuate Earth and escape the nightmare. Now you are the only human left on the face of the planet. Cannibal Mutations, Carnivorous Aliens, and Evil Spirits are your only neighbors. You sit back and wait for death, content that you have saved your species.

>But then, Earth Control beams down a message from space: "Sensors have located the source of the Alien invasion. If you go there, you may be able to block their entry. The Alien base is in the heart of your own home city, not far from the starport." Slowly and painfully you get up from the Fray.

>>5997182
Yeah it's alright. I like parts of it.
Rogue Trader ass effect style game can also really work as well. But Rogue Trader doesn't exist.

I'm gonna learn to map for Quake! Tomorrow I'll do it I swear

>>5997215
You can do it, anon! I believe in you!

>>5997215
>>5997234
No he can't! He'll fail at it like everything else hes ever tried!

>>5997237
>inspirational anime music plays

>>5996981
Unironically better.

>>5997246
Get out.

Quake 2 Ground Zero is without a doubt one of the worst experiences I have gotten out of an ID game. Those random ass turrets, enemies placed only in corners, and the generally bland level designs add up to an expansion that makes question why I play video games instead of doing something more meaningful with my time. The plasma gun and ETC Rifle are nice though.

>>5997248
Fight me, faggot, he's great in New Order.

>>5997257
Loved Ground Zero and The Reckoning. Complete balls to the wall difficulty.

>>5996958
yeah and that's why the chaingun replacement looks and sounds annoying as fuck in Heretic, ffs it's like the plasma gun as an annoying little kid

>>5997282
>nu-order
>good

>>5997294
BWONG-BWONG-BWONG-BWONG-BWONG-BWONG-BWONG

Anyone know how I can extract duke3d textures and flats? I need to get all of the nuclear winter stuff for a doom project.

>>5997282
And they ruined him in New Colossus and Youngblood.

>>5997295
yup
sorry you can't enjoy your only hobby that you've built your entire life and identity around, forsaking opportunities for romance and friendship only for you to literally take it away from yourself because of some homosexual politics shit :)

>>5996990
>He won't be in the game properly so I can't piss on him
That sucks. I like Civvie but having him unpissed in a Postal game feels like a wasted opportunity.

>>5997348
Not that anon but what if the game is just shit?

Bloom is okay.


Just makes me realize that even If I love Doom, I have always preferred when level design is a mix of trying to look like real locations and some gameplay crazy thrown in. So the locations that are similar to Blood are amazing and look even better than in Blood originals.

Not doom fault, it was a pioneer after all, and I can tolerate Quake because it seemed amazing and still is moody as fuck today

>>5997354
it isn't, though, it's much better than all of its contemporaries and the best wolfenstein since rtcw

>>5997361
I thought it was really mediocre but okay.

>>5997363
most people here have ridiculously over inflated standards while simultaneously being unable to identify any flaws whatsoever in anything they like, so i believe you
as a modern wolf sequel/reboot it's probably the best scenario we could get, god knows what the fuck they were trying to do with youngblood, though

>>5997367
I mean strip down all the actual cool nazi weapons and mechs and overall art style, its not that good of an fps. And god knows since Halo its been really fucking shit in the 00s and 10s. I cant blame HL1\2 although it shares some blame.


Its certainly not as bad as say killing zone but not really better.
Imho Doom 2016 is only slightly better, some levels actually felt more open. its at this pint I almost feel longing for Kingpin or Requiem.

>>5997374
> killing zone

Shit I meant Killzone. I could even say resistance, any shit fps from that era. I need to sleep.

>>5997376
God, i miss Resistance. Especially 3.

>>5997295
Yes.

>>5997348
New Order touched little if any on current politics, it was New Colossus which shat the bed.

>>5997405
That’s because a majority of the team behind TNO and TOB left Machinegames by the time production on TNC.

>>5997374
>New Kingpin-game

This would be jewed up so bad...

>>5996946
>>5996568
Reposting from last thread.
I did a small addon to make fast monsters not stand still shooting like turrets while still being faster overall.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1UmEgSvf0hOOYW53IbJzkQvJb0DN2lRTM/view

>>5996947
Here's something you guys might be interested in, I've modified the current version of DoomRL Arsenal to be "better" (I think the changes are better, you may not)

So here's what I changed:

>All classes have the scout perk so you can double jump everywhere and run faster (pistols also do more damage, neat!)
>Blueprint computers will show all assemblies in your PDA (you can give yourself one with "summon rlblueprintcomputer")
>The max amount of mod packs has been increased to 40, no more leaving mods behind
>Increased the weapon limit to 12 so there's less dicking around with your inventory

You can get it here :
https://archive.org/details/doomrlarsenalbetter

>>5996946
>What are glory kills?

>>5997374
Doom 2016 isn't a fair comparison. KZ I feel is closer to it.

>>5997443
I was just using as a better game counterpoint. Not by much 2016 could have been much better.

What does everyone hope for in Doom: Eternal?
I just want steam workshop intergration and mod support. Probably won't measure up to the variety we have with Doom 2, but it'll definitely give the game more value.

>>5997453
Stratton says they’re working on mod support as a long term goal, but only time will tell.

>>5997453
Mod support is never happening in a modern AAA game. Especially on the steam workshop. And you're definitely not going to see it from the company who tried to monetize mods for Skyrim.

>>5997453
I'm hoping for decent lore and story like they promised. It's not a huge deal, but having even a little lore to consider goes a long way for me.
Mod support is still my biggest hope though. I wonder how much harder it would be to make something big in Eternal compared to old Doom.

>>5997457
Bethesda Game Studios monetize mods, not id.

>>5997453
I want challenging fights outside of the arenas. I want to be trudging up on toxic waste, reaching an enclosure with four tall pillars, and four mancubi spawning right on top of each. Mid level doors open to reveal a horde of imps running to claw at me, so I backpedal dodging fire hoops, all the while my radsuit is about to run out.

I long for memorable moments like those to take place in the game so bad.

>>5996853
Rekkr, Pirate Doom, Ashes 2063, Hellforged, most wads by Impie
>>5996958
People love to hate on hitscanners, but they might actually be an integral part of the formula. They shake up the combat by inherently being high-priority targets even if they don't have much health or do much damage. Heretic is fucking boring compared to Doom.

>>5997574
>People love to hate on hitscanners, but they might actually be an integral part of the formula.
Might nothing. They are. I'll agree it can suck when you get shot in the buttcheek from halfways across the map for the last 5 HP you have, but they are absolutely vital for variety and making combat encounters more interesting.

>>5997574
>>5997578
This. While I often hate them and they can be used in an unfair way by some mappers, Chaingunners especially are a great "oh shit" moment on any map.

This is gonna seem weird but can someone boot up Hexen: DD (the expansion) and load my save attached here and then Noclip through this glitched door and then turn off Noclip then save the game then reupload it back to me lol

I'm playing on a Switch. And console commands don't work, cheats work to enable Noclip but I'm playing on the top difficulty which disables cheats.

I know this is weird but I'd appreciate it.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/v3yax9ftarmuxeo/save63.zds/file

>>5997591
you need to let us know what version of zdoom

>>5997597
4.2.1

Wrath looks more like the new doom than eternal. Big open places to explore and approach as you see fit.

>>5997653
>anon randomly mentions Wrath
>OH BOY IS IT OUT YE-
>still "coming soon" on Steam
damnit I want to play a modern fps with q1 bhopping already

>>5997653
>Wrath looks more like the new doom than eternal.

>>5997660
>claim to have something to show by the end of summer
>it's currently november

>>5997653
ok

>>5997664
>claim to have something to show by the end of summer
They've shown a fair bit of it though.

>>5997676
Something playable, though.

>shudder island secret level in DW episode 1 is a rehash of a level from hostile takeover
hey I played that too!

>>5997361
TNC had some weird difficulty shit with the low health and wheelchair section before you're forced to choose one specific upgrade that just changes how you go through levels with the only good one being the dash one
The game's pc port was also kind of fucked up
The game didn't really tried to fix whatever TNO did wrong and don't get me on the story heavy focus, for an id related franchise
At least Eternal looks like it has a lot more going for, in terms of differences from the previous game
It also doesn't help when the story doesn't know what tone it has and ends abruptly, without even a basic boss fight like mecha-hitler
It's rushed

>>5997653
>old engine throwback FPS with unimaginative gameplay, noisy detailing, mediocre map design and decent visuals w/ shit optimization

>>5997591
>>5997626
P-please.... I want to play....

>>5997712
use older zdoom or something otehr than zdoom

>>5997708
Wow, you know a lot about it for a game that hasn't been released.

I'm the only one who can't stand to play Doom at 60fps? I find 2D animation sprite are weird to look at.

>>5997724
I have seen enough to know it's going to be another Ion Maiden in the DP engine lol

>>5997574
This is how you can make hitscan work
>the stats around the enemy like health, damage, pain chance, speed etc
>"feedback", see archvile and hell razer
>the levels around them, like enemy placement and encounters
>if a game has reloading, you could make shotgunners reload like the player, specially if they're carrying the same weapon type
Heretic as a whole may have a basic enemy line because of how they tried to make it different from Doom and the focus on bosses

>>5997708
MY FAYBRUT

>>5997712
Ehy dude, i'm on it i just have to find a workaround the disable cheat, so basically you just want me to go trough the door with gargoyles?

>>5996946
this'd be more accurate if everything took at least two shots to kill at everything outside of absolute point blank, every enemy were twice as fast and none of them had hitscan, but every single enemy constantly throws projectiles a bit slower than a cyberdemon rocket that do like 75 damage a pop and can actually lead you.

also health drops in tiny portions unless you're literally one hit from death.

doom 2016 has actual problems but the health on kill shit is like a non issue but it's 90% of what people talk about

>>5997761
yeah the brown door with the teleporter is supposed to open when you lit that minotaur torch but its bugged.

fucking game disabling cheats.

>>5997784
http://www.mediafire.com/file/a9xvz8a3b49c9ha/save0.zds
here, the game disable cheat because you are playing at max diff, I've enabled back by using a pk3 in project brutality.

>>5997776
>doom 2016 has actual problems but the health on kill shit is like a non issue but it's 90% of what people talk about
like the armor and the fact that health/armor "bonuses" are gone, so how health pick ups work feels lazier?

>>5997817
>health/armor "bonuses" are gone
I mean, small health doesn't take you over, but in 2016 they conglomerated mega armor and mega health into one pick up, so that's kind of still there.

>>5997776
Doom(2016) si designed that enemies could oneshot you or take 80% of the health by one hit, i wonder how the level design fall will appart if you remove the health/armor/ammo drop from the enemies

>>5997453
there being a big variety of demons and challenges in levels
i hope they don't hold back in terms of difficulty, creativity and variety because i feel like this current formula could still work for a lot of ideas, specially since they're planning on expansions

https://twitter.com/kinsie/status/1191524678587731969

>>5997064
GLUTEUS MAXIMUS

>>5997825
I mean, not terribly. even at low health enemies generally only drop enough to bring you up to like, 50-75, which is enough to survive one hit from a relatively light enemy. You're not gong to be able to consistently keep yourself alive on enemy health drops alone if you're consistently getting hit, they just help you hang on by a thread.

You still generally need a pickup or a LOT of chained glory kills (enough that the risk doesn't really outweigh the reward) to get back into comfortable territory.

A problem I will give it is that some of the runes are just no brainers. getting armor on glory kill is ridiculous, as is infinite ammo at full armor and "literally just come back from death once," albeit the latter is basically tailor made for ultra nightmare and I'm glad it exists for that reason alone

>>5996946
How many Serpent riders are there? 3 or 4?

>>5997864
3, dsparil, korax, eidolon
heretic 2's story/boss is unrelated to the serpent riders

are there any maps for duke nukem 3d inspired by the 2d games before it?
i just remembered they even stole textures from some games, including a dos version of megaman

>In shadow warrior after breaking windows, punching broken glass bare handed repeatedly hurts you

I love the build trio. I miss this. What do you call it.

>>5997871
3. Only 1 actually of the "Serpent Riders" actually rides a serpent /spoiler

>>5997804
Very much appreciated anon. Worked perfect. And I just beat the game! :)

Pretty weird final boss. You'd be fucked in the ass without a few specific items going into the fight.

>>5997895
Attention to detail? TECHNOLOGY!?

In Jedi Knight 2: Jedi outcast if your lightsaber is out in the rain and raindrops hit the lightsaber its gives off little poofs and small flashes where they hit

>>5997953
Some have theorized that Hexen's Heresiarch was originally intended to ride on Korax. It would make sense, since Korax is hunched over and shaped similarly to a Chaos Serpent.
Of course by Hexen 2 they completely abandoned the idea.

>>5997958
People gave a shit.

>>5997982
Man I love that cheesy D&D conan sword and sorcery fantasy style of Hexen.

It might never return. I can only imagine a modern engine trying to reproduce it.

>>5997895
In the Duke 3D commentary they talk about how during lunch breaks they would all sit around and joke about "wouldn't it be funny if X" was in the game.

"Wouldn't it be funny if one of the aliens took a shit?" and theyd laugh then someone else would add to it "and then if you step in it Duke would say 'shit happens" and they'd laugh harder and then another person "and it you walked through it left brown footprints behind" and they'd all howl with laughter and then when their breaks over they went and actually put it in the game.

That's how all those little details come about because they ate, slept and breathed the game during development. They were passionate about these games when they were small development teams.

Now games are 2,000+ staff strong and just corporate processed

Is the Heretic Project almost done yet?

>>5998006
I mean we still have some mid level and indies making amazing games but yeah as soon as games stopped being made by designers and started being made by big teams, suits learned how to exploit the medium. It was inevitable but videogames are still struggling in a sense.

And its the blame of some developers, A game with the aspirations of Arkane Prey is at the same time incredible they tried to make a modern SS\looking glass game, but the game feels also so hampered by either time money and maybe publisher pressure. Just an example.

I cant put my finger on what is going on in 2019 with games. Maybe it was always meant to explode into mindless multiplayer hamster wheels like the incoming diablo.

Maybe I was only every optimistic about something as trivial and a bit ephemeral as tech like videogames. Most people dont give a shit about some old game from the 90s, just like most music fans dont give a fuck about some obscure prog band.

We should take what we get, enjoy it, maybe even learn how to make it ourselves. Maybe I am even being a big bay, like very medium creative spurts, and legendary games only come once in a while not every year.

End blog rant sorry.

>>5998013
The project leader has been silent / MIA for weeks so it doesnt seem so.

>>5998014
if indie devs could match the QUALITY of, say, LGS games, nobody would be playing AAA games
that's an unreasonably high bar, but I've been dissilusioned with indieshit for the most part
COOL SHIT does crop up now and then (Kenshi for one, huge props to the guy, who mostly solo'd it) but indies just don't have the same drive and passion as some of the oldschool "big" devs
they seem to be more interested in twitter drama and virtue signaling brownie points than making QUALITY™ games

>>5996946
>BLOOM
>Several cases of "The fuck do I go now?"
>Delayed scripted events
>Somehow get 1 shotted by an enemy before I even knew WTF was going on at full health

I can't even trust ShilmanLives on fucking mod reviews any more

>>5997653
So are the devs ever going to release this fucking game or did they go full pants-on-head retarded and try to hype everyone up when it was nowhere near complete? I swear to God if they try to release it in episodes over the course of several months/years I'm gonna lose my shit

>>5998102
implying you could trust him before
also gitgud while I wait for Bloom to get finished

>>5997660
when it's done™

I just shot a fucking stick of dynamite out the air with my shotgun in blood. I didn't even know that was possible. This game kicks so much ass.

>>5998145
It is pretty sweet.

>>5998110
They decided to delay it add way more content than originally planned. Which can only be a good thing.

Next time we hear about it will likely be a solid release date announcement

Wait..... Did everyone see this?

>>5998159
That being said holy shit it's unforgiving. I've basically been getting assraped by the first two levels because I just can't get a hold of how you're supposed to deal with cultists, and the absolute paucity of healing. If I knew how life essences dropped I'd probably be better off.

>>5998182
If you know the cultists are in advance, huck dynamite at them, if not, enter rooms prefiring the Tommy gun, it took me awhile to realize you can stun lock cultists with it even though they don't go into a pain state but instead try to strafe away, but they can't fight back while being peppered with bullets.
Save shotgun for killing zombies and spiders

>>5998182
>If I knew how life essences dropped I'd probably be better off.
I think enemies have a set chance to drop it, but it might be completely random
you'll be glad to hear the medicine bag +50 HP item only appears in cryptic passage and user made maps, and was cut from the game lol
armor is more valuable than health anyway, especially spirit armor to tank the self damage of the life leech
because life leech best gun
also doesn't appear until episode 4 cause fuck you

>I just can't get a hold of how you're supposed to deal with cultists
you deal with them by gitting gud
no joke, it is what it is
but in all seriousness movement is important, jumping sideways around corners and ducking behind cover will save your ass
they also respond well to suppressive fire, agressive play works well vs them
defensive play would be chuking dynamite just around corners after they've spotted you, because they will follow you, you can judge the distance by their voice lines

I can do the restaurant cart in phantom express on medium skill while taking 0 damage, because cultist AI is consistent and exploitable
well done is a toss up but the room fails to kill me even if I fail to not take damage
they do have good aim and reaction time, which is why Blood makes casual seethe

don't be a casual

>>5998181
chris taylor made total annihilation and supcom though

>>5998290
it's a different chris taylor

Just finished Quake 2 The Reckoning. Better than the base game as it is shorter and has more variety. The last hub with the plethora of Gladiator Betas is annoying and definitely my least favorite part of the expansion. Finally done with Quake 2, well except Ground Zeros fuck those turrets. Would like to see something like Arcane Dimensions for the game but that is wishful thinking.

doom noob here
any tips for finding secrets?

>>5998363
If you find an automap, look for any out of the way rooms on the map.

Anything else, just UNF every wall that looks a bit off, backtrack a little if you find a switch that doesn't seem to do anything and see if you can get to higher places if it's at a spot where the only way to get to it is from above or from a teleport.

Thinking of downloading System Shock 1 from the google drive in the OP to play for the first time. In the vaguest terms, what am I getting into?

>>5998363
Look for inconsistent minor details. A misaligned or mismatched texture is one of the most basic indicators mappers use. Decorations like candles are sometimes used as well. Listen carefully for the sounds of distant doors opening or lifts activating as you roam the map. Some mappers have their own more subtle tricks they'll use, but that should cover the common secrets that appear in most maps.

>>5998363
use anything out of place that you can reach, shoot anything out of place that you can't reach, always try to reach the places that are just barely out of reach, check for small ledges that look like they could lead somewhere
and check your automap - oftentimes you'll find walls that look the same way doors look on the map, or you'll notice that an area that looks inaccessible actually does have an entrance tucked away, or other things like that. some mappers are good about not making the automap spoil things however, so it's not a silver bullet.

thing is, most mappers tend to do secrets differently - I like putting them in spots that are somewhat difficult to reach or out of the way, and don't really do the "out of place wall texture/light/computer screen/etc" secrets, so part of it is really just learning how the mapper likes hiding their stuff. once you figure that out, the majority of secrets in a map become pretty easy to find.

>>5998102
gmanlives lost me the second i realized during his SWAT 4 review that he didn't know how to fucking walk and was marking down points for guns being too inaccurate

>>5997309

Anyone? I just need to be able to browse grp files and extra art assets as bmp/png/whatever

>>5998379
A space dungeon crawler with a cool story and dope mechanics.

>>5997030
what map was that recorded on?

>>5996946
I find it odd that Doom fans complained about nu Doom's demon pinatas but seems they ended up liking it anyway

>>5998570
nuDoom is good. Pinatas are bad.

play more Blood

Do heretic weapons Improve after episode one? So far only the chainsaw is fun to use and everything else feels shit and has very limited ammo on ultra violence. I'm not having much fun with having to switch to the chainsaw over and over for single enemies then the crossbow for groups. It's a big step back from doom where you had several reliable weapons.

>>5998379
Talons, clay and shaping

I N S E C T
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>>5998606
use tome

You are supposed to use artifacts dude
Use time bombs any time there are enemies in the corridor
Use morph ovum any time there's >5 enemies on screen
Use Tome of power any time there's a room full of enemies

I've played the Heretic plenty of times and never ever had I ammo issues even in the tomeless runs. You must be doing something very wrong.

>>5998618
Not a fan of using items I have no idea the use of until I press the use key.

I always have orange staff ammo but it's piss weak and the gauntlets do the job better.

If the games built around items I can start using them I suppose but I don't like it. I always want to save them for something really dangerous not just s group of axe throwers.

>>5998602
I'm on the secret level after Dark Carnival and for the life of me, I can't get a bead on cultists. They seem like such a threat over any other enemy and no amount of spastic jumping and crouching seems to help me. The best strategy so far has been dying, reloading, getting back to where I was and then tossing dynamite around the corner, but that doesn't seem like much fun, just trial and error.

Gheritt White did nothing wrong

>>5998631
That's blood in a nutshell and why I fucking hate it. It's designed to fuck you over constantly. Not like plutonia where it gives you brief moments of not being fucked, but horny football team with a passed out girl in the back of the bus fucked.

I think a lot of people who like it like it because they already know the game and don't have to suffer learning every hit scanner location.

>>5998624
>I always want to save them for something really dangerous not just s group of axe throwers
That's not really a good mentality to have, even if it is popular. Like Doom, Heretic gives you enough powerups before every major encounter.

Heretic tries to combat that by only allowing you to carry 1 item of each type to next level so if you didnt use the extras you wasted them, but it seems that it was not enough of a clue for you.

Also the crossbow -the main workhorse of the game quite literally neveer runs out of ammo (at least for me, and I use it constantly). Also turn on autoaim.
The shtic of the Crossbow is the ability to aim at 3 targets independantly, and if there is no extra targets, then you get a concentrated volley on the same target at any distance, but it does so through autoaim and having it off disables the feature entirely making it weaker at distances.

>>5998638
I never noticed losing items because I literally never use them. The first boss was the first time and that was to fly over the lava.

If I'm going to lose them any way I might as well use them. Thanks for the help anon.

I have gzdoom running it so whatever's the default for auto aim is on or off.

>>5997453
Honestly I'd love for some map fuckery like actual DOOM II but that's practically impossible in modern games. Also different arenas than "cleverly disguised square room with minimal platforming". Something like >>5997501

Otherwise, visually DOOM Eternal had hit every spot in my prostate and glans combined.

>>5998102
I really like the style of BLOOM but the fucking slopes on the ground make me want to throw up from the first level. They fuck the movement you spaniard faggots, stop trying to make your level pretty no matter what, they aren't even that good looking.

>>5997501
>>5998683
It still has 14 or 16 enemies on the field at any time limitation, so improvements on that front are unlikely.

>>5998636
I just finished plutonia and it was honestly less bad than I thought it was going to be

I played it continuous though because fuck doing that shit pistol start and ended up having more fun than doom 2, which i largely did pistol start, blind

I can appreciate the element of learning the map but I didn't enjoy how it slowed the game to a crawl and how restricted it made me feel. In classic shooters ammo conservation is the game, I get it- but god damn was it so much more fun to burn the spare cells I had on a BFG shot in a big fight at the start of a level instead of running away until anything better than a chaingun, or liberally use the rocket launcher to deal with chaingunners in windows instead of trying to whittle them off from afar with wimpy hitscan.

>>5998698
We don't really know for sure, but you don't need more than 20 on every encounter if you know your enemy placement. You can still make the most of 14 or 16.

>>5998354
You played Zaero yet? It's basically an unofficial 3rd expansion pack, it did get a disc release as well. The quality is a lot more uneven than the official packs but it's worth a go if you want more Quake 2 to play.

>>5998746
Point is, you can't have them placed on the level waiting for you, as you can in originals.
You can theoretically spawn them in as you walk into the next area, but if you

In the nuDoom you can run into a cave full of zombies, and if you run out of it into the next encounter without killin them, all of them just puff out of existence.

>>5998379
don't use a mouse, it makes the game too easy

>>5997982
it makes alot of sense, with lots of evidence to support it. Hexen was a bit rushed, which may be why they abandoned the concept.

>>5998602
>Enemies literally just standing there
Wow so epic and cool

>>5998896
Invisbility cloak. Though I have a hunch you're just being a dickhead for (you)s

>>5998425
I'll concede that the shotguns are hilariously inaccurate in SWAT4, and the revolver (when you can use it in multiplayer), but fuck me, that's one dumb Aussie.

>>5998634
What about the flying five feet above the ground part?!

>>5997574
Disagree. I find Heretic a lot more fun than Doom because there's no bullshit hitting me with nothing I can do to dodge it and enemy priority does exist. Level design is also better and there's an inventory system. No BFG to easily clear out rooms and bosses either.

>>5997574
If hitscan is so good how come id decided to abandon it? Almost like it was just a limitation. I bet none of you would like it if Doom didn't have it.
>even if they don't have much health or do much damage
There's many ways you can do that without hitscan. Even without hitscan they'd still be a priority because guns would still be faster than any other enemy projectile.

>>5997359
For me it's the opposite, which is why Duke and Ion Fury bore the fuck out of me.

>>5998980
>If hitscan is so good how come id decided to abandon it?
New kids on the block thinking they know best. It's also designing new maps and gameplay mechanics around the lack of hitscan.

>>5998102
>>Several cases of "The fuck do I go now?"
So just like Hexen, which /vr/ loves.

>>5998602
No thanks, I have to memorize enemy locations in every level because of how unbalanced the game is and how extra-bullshit the hitscan is in this game. Not even Shadow Warrior's hitscanners were this bad.

>>5998602
wow what a boring lame game

>>5998986
The "the fuck do I go now" parts are the BEST parts of Hexen. It's a joy to explore the maps and hubs. The levels are so fucking amazingly constructed and woven together that it's (for me at least) never a chore to explore.

I did have to look up where to go 5 times in the entire based game + expansion. But 2 times where due bugged doors not opening and halting my progress. 2 times were my own fault missing switches and the first time was not understanding the games mechanics in the first hub, not knowing about key items and placing them to unlock shit.

Great game. Hope it gets more fan art and memes.

>>5998896
>>5998987
>>5998998
Nice samefagging.

>>5998987
THIS.

>Duke/Shadow warrior/Doom/quake1+2/heretic/Hexen/etc
>Play through level
>Maybe die here or there in heated moments but generally get through the level fine

>Blood
>Get sniped from every angle the atomic nanosecond you enter a cultists FoV
>Have to creep an inch at a time around maps and autisticlly memorise every single enemy and item placement through laborious tiresome trial and error gameplay of die and repeat die and repeat die and repeat until the maps burned into your brain

Blood is the Stockholm syndrome of FPS videogames.

>>5999020
>The "the fuck do I go now" parts are the BEST parts of Hexen.
I legitimately never experienced this for most of the game, it gives a load of cues of where you're expected to go next, be it through text or sounds.

>>5999027
Well you probably have a 500 IQ

>>5999021
Not him, but Blood is an overrated contrarian shit.

>>5998354
Joker model when?

Hey guys I've been out of the loop since mid October. What did I miss?

Blood is Duke Nukem's horror TC, not a legit standalone game.

>>5999068
BlooM and MORTIS

>>5998636
>>5998987
gitgud

To all those playing quake 2 SP, you are missing out on the MP side. True, you are unlikely to find opponents online now. But have you played against bots? There was a plethora of custom MP content, models, skins, maps and mods. The only way to experience these nowadays would be to play against bots. I recommend Gladiator bots, or Eraser bots

>>5999095
Not pictured: the 30 times you played the level and memorised the placement of every single enemy

I could do this webm in literally any other game with a level I've NEVER played before. You cannot do that in Blood.

>>5998631
house of horrors is one of the hardest levels in the entire game, especially since you don't have half the nukes you get later in episode 1
save those flares and that napalm just for that level

it does give you 2 doctor's bags, a super armor and a life seed, so it's "fair" and "ballanced"

>>5999105
nobody played cryptic passage 30 times, cmon now
I can do it in Death Wish, a mod I played through ONCE before

>>5999069
No I'm pretty sure it was sold as it's own product

>>5999069
I agree, Blood is great.

>>5999068
Quake Halloween Jam 2

>>5999116
Blood is so much better than Duke it's not even funny
what makes it funny is all the Dukebabies who can't hack the hyperactive cultist AI

The Quake Ranger and the Quake franchise suffered the same fate. Stuck in purgatory

>>5999121
I fucking love Duke Nukem 3D though, it's a really fun game too.

>>5999146
and that's how you DODGE HITSCAN

>>5999105
>Not pictured: the 30 times you played the level and memorised the placement of every single enemy
Nigga all he is doing is jumping around and moving fast. The enemies aren't even all that plentiful here, and come on. you need to memorize the couple of sombies and a cultist in ONE alley to the right?

>>5998980
>Even without hitscan they'd still be a priority because guns would still be faster than any other enemy projectile.
there's no functional difference between hitscan and a projectile that is too fast to dodge

>>5997706
TNC was a fucking shitshow compared to TNO, I tried to like it but gave up shortly after BJ gets fucking decapitated and transplanted onto a supersoldier body.
Everything about it just felt worse than TNO, they fucked up the stealth somehow, those tedious sections in the resistance base were made even worse with the sprawling submarine shit, the story was mostly dogshit and trying way too hard to be edgy and 'punk', the levels felt even more linear despite being a bit more open, and the number of fucking cutscene-missions where you just walk around was increased tenfold... It just fucking sucked, in general. The DLC was even worse IIRC. I don't get how they went from a game I liked to something so garbage, and I really hope the same doesn't happen with Doom Eternal.

>>5999139
It could always be worse.

>>5999139
>QUAD DAMAGED

>>5999156
I've looked up the Imdb page months ago. Apparently there were less people working on TNC than the previous titles.
And some of them even changed as well.
Even references to the current political climate in writing ans marketing.
I'm not american but you should never, NEVER, make references to current politics in your work. Or else is going to age like milk. And it did.

Youngblood was the final nail in the coffin. The game was shit, sold like shit and nobody asked for it.
On top of that Adolf Hitler is dead, killed by BJ before the events of the game.
Since TNO, people wanted to see the thing that everyone think when you mention Wolfenstein and we don't even get to see it? Fuck this

>>5999229
>they kill hitler offscreen
what the fuck
come the fuck on
i mean i get that in tnc they show him as a frail old man who is losing his mind and try to emphasize that killing him would be pointless anyway, but fucking hell, if they have bj kill him they should at least let us control it
i have no idea what the fucking purpose of youngblood was

>>5998631
Game starts hard for new players but if you not shit you can start making fun of cultists.

And I dont mean hindsight level design, You start to understand the weapons how they fit, and how to you move to wreck them.

You always respect them but it gets really easy with time.

>>5999229

Everything is political in a way.

The difference today is that we are dealing with people that are inspired by trashy pop culture and regurgitate that shit in each others mouths instead of being really creative, and have the posturing ego of a modern person and the subtlety of a jackhammer.

>>5999069
dude, duke nukem is the most mediocre game on the Build engine. The definitive game on that engine is Blood. The decent one is Shadow Warrior. And the worst one is Duke Nukem.

I'm seriously surprised that almost no one outside these threads are worried about Doom Eternal.
Yes, I've looked up those two crappy videos on YT but didn't bring anything particularly important. It's nothing.
Everyone seem to eat up whatever the marketing is making.

The game being delayed, all this Doom related stuff milked non-stop by Bethesda,merch,DLC, Pre-Ordee it's like they're trying to get as much money as they can because there's something wrong with the final game. And they're doing it as much as they can before the game releases.

The fanbase seem to be filled with more posers each day, rather than actual passionate ones. They entered because it's one of the hottest games in recent years.
No modding(rarely) ,gameplay discussions, just trending shitty memes and fan arts at best.
In fact it's like the Fallout fanbase where plenty are still loyal after that disaster of 76.

I know I'm pessimistic about rhe whole thing but I really don't want another The New Colossus,which killed the hype for anything about Wolfenstein. I know ID Software is making it but you given the current gaming industry climate, rotten to the core, I still feel there's something fishy going on.

>>5999270
Redneck Rampage is far worse than Duke 3D

>>5999235
Youngblood exists because they have no idea what to do with the franchise.
Plus Deathshead was 100 years old in TNO and had a big mech as well. You might think the Fuhrer would get the same treatment or something like that.
But no, he died like he's an average nazi officer, they juat casually mention it too. Like what the fuck.

>>5999249
Here's the issue, you can put politics in your game but have to be part of the plot, make you think about their ideology.
Build the characters around it.

Western devs mainly shove them as propaganda, they feel out of place and tasteless.
Regardless if you agree or not no one want your agenda shoved in everyone's faces.

Metal Gear makes a great job with it and so classic Fallout games and Deus Ex. Modern western devs just don't know how to write politics without bias getting in the way

>>5999285
This
i haven't seen a more obvious case of being a faggot poser in my life, literally thinks there were 3 build engine games and that's it, has no idea about true garbage like nam, tekwar or extreme fucking paintbrawl

>>5999272
Worst case scenario they'll fuck up but we still have classic Doom, decades of content and even Doom 4 if you need to scratch that modern game itch.

From the leaks I've read the plot and direction are fucking retarded dimensional bullshit but as long as the shooting is good I'm not going to mind.

>>5999272
People in this thread are very likely beyond caring.
I am one of them, I have seen franchises raped into death, and have zero expectations from modern development.

The game is going to be fine, but as tame and non confrontational as Rage 2. The situation with blizzard has been awakening tons of normies. They see that when china can flex their financial position and dictate the norms, every corp becames scared out of their mind.

>>5998841
Just have 16 on any given encounter is my point. Exert that limitation.

>>5999317
>as tame and non confrontational as Rage 2
Aren't there jabs at SJWs in the game

>>5999296
>Here's the issue, you can put politics in your game but have to be part of the plot, make you think about their ideology.
>Build the characters around it.
Morrowind, VTMB and Arcanum are some examples of games with heavy political themes that do it well. Hint: they have interesting in-setting political/ethical conflicts, they don't just shoehorn in references to contemporary hot-button issues.

>>5999329
There are little jabs at the "right" too. Just that, little jabs. Here and there.

Unlike the pervasive sjwnism of other titles just as much as the current culture.

>>5999337
I still remember playing that shit for the first time and basically finding gnomes were jews force raping women with ogres just to make bodyguards.

Jesus fuck that game was so broken but so out there as well. Even the true Enemy was one hell of a twist.

>>5999021
>it's literally impossible for more than one person to disagree with me!

>>5999342
Err, I was thinking more of the Unified Kingdom/Cumbria relationship, orcish labor situation etc.

Cumbria starves because it refuses to modernize, but Tarant has fake democracy and huge social issues. There's a lot of politics and ethics between and within the dwarf and elf factions too.

>>5999272
>no one outside these threads are worried about Doom Eternal
Ok. Go make a thread on /v/ about Doom Eternal then.

>>5999338
What the fuck does that even mean? How does that affect my game experience in any way?

>>5999095
I like how this webm still proves the point, because you still got hit by hitscanners, which is what was being talked about.

>>5999065
Ah yes, the true mark of an ESL poster. Just spew out words you don't know the meaning of so long as they sound aggressive and combative

>>5999357
Yeah, but that was all in front of the game, discovering the gnome conspiracy was really kinda hidden. You had to go out and find it.

It was quite a shock. I mean it was force kidnapping and raping industrial style, and people keep mentioning that just a little " where do all these half ogres come from?"

When I started fighting those gnomes and disintegrating them with my necromancer I only stopped when they were all dead.

>>5999154
Who said it'd be too fast to dodge?

>>5999354
There is no disagreement because there is no argument, anon.

>>5999361
Just be angry grr

>>5999367
I honestly believe they added that late as an afterthought, like the supposed reasons there's no female option for several of the races (the real one being that they didn't have time and resources to do every racial body/clothing variant twice)

>>5999374
Probably. Its still a nice quest.

Shame its so jank I only finished it once. Still Raven was my waifu.

>>5998983
>It's also designing new maps and gameplay mechanics around the lack of hitscan.
You're thinking of player hitscan (i.e shooting enemies that are above/below you). Enemy hitscan isn't a necessity at all, you could play the original Doom perfectly fine if you modded in enemies with bullet tracers.

Or at least do this: make enemies lock onto a target position as their two-frame attack animation starts. Chaingunguys would just repeat this procedure perpetually until they stop shooting for any reason.

>>5999304
Fair. The amount of content by the modders and mappers will still go on.
A franchise may die but the work by the fans won't.

>>5999317
Companies destroying a franchise for dumb demands are the worst. And the devs cannot do anything about it.
Dead Space 3 turned into a co op game full of micro transactions because for EA 4 millions copies sold for DS2 wasn't enough.
Fallout New Vegas not getting an 85 on Metacritic=no full paycheck by Bethesda.
Fallout only got raped non-stop after that.

>>5999378
Yeah, it really is very janky. Interface, leveling system and combat are all weird. It's the sort of game you place exclusively for writing and setting.

>>5999374
Also dont forget the half orcish situation was not rosy at all. Arcanum was one hell of a game in its themes.

What a great setting. Loved it so much I acutalyl made a homebrew for tabletop for it but rarely played it , with friends.

>Fallout New Vegas not getting an 85 on Metacritic=no full paycheck by Bethesda.

Wasn't that revealed to be bullshit?

For me the turning point was Thief 2014. Even then I knew it was going to shit the bed. I just dont care.

>>5998102
It's fucking great, dude. It's not handhold-y, but the atmosphere and content are unreal.

Posting this for no reason.

LMAO, Ion Fury went from hero to zero real fuckin' quick. What went wrong? Does using controversy as advertisement yield less long-term success?

>>5999389
The take on orcs in general was really interesting. They're ostracized for being dumb and violent, but also they really are just that (because they came about through "supernatural selection" by some asshole wizard ages ago). Only one specific way solves the orc labor strike quest peacefully without either them all getting gunned down or the town being ransacked in an orc riot IIRC

>>5999407
The elves are not saints as well. In fact no race is. But after the dwarf king weird ramble on humans, which makes sense if you know how the game ends. Makes me realize, humans were the most ready for renewal and hope even if you are broken and evil.

Overall amazing setting and story. its a rare a game makes you think about it for so long, and much sparser dialogue unlike say Torment. Or now Disco Elysium , have to try btw seems interesting.

>>5999405
Simple Ill say it again, the game is beautiful, buts its just that. Shelly is shit, antagonists are boring, the voices even irritating.

>>5999405
Still held in high regard as one of the best games of the year. Opinions on it from old school FPS fans are still mostly positive.

The only thing is that there's just not a lot to talk about. The game is fun and really well made in general, but it basically has NO CONTENT. At least not any of its own. A game that basically has no identity of its own and is just references piled on top of references with generic (but good) Build Engine gameplay is not exactly something that encourages discussion. I mean, what would we even talk about? "Yeah, I played Ion Fury again today. Hey! Remember when it referenced that one other game?! Or the movie reference?! No, not that one! The OTHER one! Haha! Good times!"

>>5998752
No I am only hearing about that now. I have no intention of playing Quake 2 again for a long time, that game excels in being mediocre.

>>5999405
What do children not understand about niche titles? Something that is essentially a Duke Nukem TC isn't going to yield massive success.
>inb4 shill

>>5999304
Too true. Even if Doom Eternal shits the bed, Classic Doom is eternal. Funny that, huh?

>>5999362
oh no a whole 2 damage in the course of 36 seconds

>>5999362
improve your skills

>>5999362
It's not even a fleshwound. C'mon, son, what are you even complaining about?

Is Icarus supposed to be easier or harder than TNT? I want to dip my toes into harder stuff but I don't want to bite off more than I can chew.

>>5999304
The leaks were confirmed fake.

>>5999437
Not a high chance in all honesty. The game so far points to being great.

>>5997030
that's not even the real Cyberdemon of brutal doom
>>5998481
Map test in Brutal doom v21

>>5999497
I mean it's looking like it'll *probably* be Doom 4 but better, but even if it does fuck up, against the odds, nothing can stop Classic Doom regardless, we'll all still be here.

>>5999405
They need to hurry up and get Steam workshop support up to encourage the creation of usermaps. There are a few out there, but they're scattered all around and hard to find.
What the fuck are Dusk devs doing by the way, how can it take so fucking long just to make modding tools / workshop support?

>>5999520
I see very little interest in Ion Fury modding even on their discord.

Arent Dusk devs making a Thief survival horror stealth homage game, Gloomwood.? Or maybes its just one dev with the help of some dusk devs.

>>5999516
That's the odds we're at and I couldn't be happier about it. The franchise as a whole has achieved a high reputation among a ton of people, be it in the form of mods and maps, or new entries in the series. Bethesda's shoddy, corporate shot at LE OFFICIAL DOOM CLUB is a bit disheartening, though.

>>5999532
Just nu-Bethesda being nu-Bethesda.
They threw out three contracts for ports recently, probably without all that much thought about it, I assume.
>Nerve Software fucked up, but we already have so many options for Classic Doom (free ones too), that the fuckup doesn't have a lot of reprecussions, even if very embarrassing.
>Panic Button knocked it out of the park porting Doom 3, the Switch version looks great and runs smooth as silk, and it's almost crazy that a game like that is running on max settings on a handheld, we're in the future, baby.
>Nightdive is doing Doom 64, likely this will be a good port given Kaiser's previous experience.

One wonders if Marty Stratton (who clearly likes Doom 64) insisted to Bethesda/Zenimax that Nightdive should do the Doom 64 ports. Possibly his one goal was to just get Doom 64 rereleased, and Doom 3 just happened to get a good rerelease while Bethesda was throwing money around.

>>>/v/

>>5999405
It's a fun game. There are a few user maps for it out there.
I dunno what you expect tho.

>>5999150
Duke's hitscanners can actually be dodged, not that the people complaining about Blood's would know how.

>>5999583

I just crouch and strafe tommy\shotgun gun a lot. But I have tried jumping and crouching fucks their hitscanning completely.

>>5999554
>90% of the threads feature basedjak spamming
Shit board as usual

>>5999583
Blood is not even close to hitscanner hell in games from the 90s
it's not like Half Life where HECU grunts have nearly perfect aim and only stop shooting you if a grenade is thrown near them

Blood is like playing FEAR without slow mo, tough but fair
hmmm, Monolith productions, the name sounds familiar

>>5999590
Yeah but its funny seeing new players trying and being frustrated, shit is so simple these days we have become soft.

>>5999593

>>5999397
i wish more mods stole from powerslave.
lotta good stuff in that game.

playing blood for first time, what do i do when this happens?

>>5999405
They weren't using controversy as advertisement, what the fuck is wrong with you?
They were targeted by some lunatics for a milquetoast comment made by a dev in a discussion and then by pissed off customers when they apologised for the non issue. It was a shitshow and only proves how fucked up social media is now.

>>5999590
>playing FEAR without slow mo
I did this and it was fucking awesome

>>5998102
gggman is still in that phase where he thinks it's using the original engine and not an extremely modified/bloated source port
he's what happens when a casual fan tricks himself into thinking his passion for the subject is deeper

>kegan streamed ape escape
ape escape mod when?

>>5999625
you forgot the part where they rescinded their apology

>>5999624
spam use key

>>5998846
>hey that's a pretty cool ima-

>>5997432
>All classes have the scout perk so you can double jump everywhere
for me i don't really think it would be really useful considering that I barely jump on maps, also do the other classes get a computermap or what else does the scout compensates for the lack the fact that everyone now outclasses him?
>Blueprint computers will show all assemblies in your PDA (you can give yourself one with "summon rlblueprintcomputer")
somewhat redundant because aside from the console commands that unlocks them for you (look in the forums) id say maybe just make the blue print paste 3 (like 1.0.5)
>The max amount of mod packs has been increased to 40, no more leaving mods behind
does it count for the engineer perk and now has 80 slots?
i am ok tho with that tho.
>Increased the weapon limit to 12 so there's less dicking around with your inventory
a good choice even if i think sticking it to 8 or 9 would fit more (8 if you want to stay in vanilla doom territory of owned arsenal without counting the fists)

>>5998570
Different people in the fanbase.

>>5999405
There's nothing to talk about. It's a great game, but admittedly nothing revolutionary- that's kind of the point of it. Good throwback shooter light on story with strong weapon and level design.

The outrage mongers that swarmed it were the fucking worst though, especially that hyper retard that threw the biggest tantrum over Shelly not having her ugly-ass '90s design anymore.

>>5999635
it's pretty intense

>>5999671
Her modern one is not better.

>>5999607
this thread is brutal doom babbies and nu-doom brainlets

>>5999624
press E 3-4 times

>>5999675
It's simple, but it looks pretty good. Nowhere near as dated, she's just a cool future cop.

She also had like fifty different equally bland designs in the 90s-2000s before they actually settled on this one.

>>5999105
imagine being worse at blood than i am
look how fucking long the cultists take to react to me
imagine being slower than that and blaming the game for it
notice the full dynamite bundles the cultists are throwing
this is on well done (anon's webm was lightly broiled)
this is how poorly you can get away with playing on well done
and you're worse than this
just imagine that

>>5999685

I still preferred a sexy or maybe gits motoko kind of look. Guess I am hyper retard as well.

>>5999690
I mean if you get points if you weren't actively attempting to start an outrage-shitstorm out of spite towards the developers for the crime of changing your waifu's outdated design to better fit the aesthetic of the game

if you weren't doing that it's just your opinion

>>5999689
>pressing LMB with the double barrel
>ever
rookie mistake, no shit

>>5999689
You play exactly like me, safe, but sometimes getting a hang of it and really letting caleb slide and jump.
You get in the mood really fast in blood and thats usually when I get myself killed.

Tried a no save on every level run recently and most times, my deaths were by running head first into cultist dynamite and not from hitscanning.

I think its the secret level from the first episode alongside low ammo on it compared to others that colors people opinions.

>>5999693
Yeah its just my opinion and I think it would have benefited the game alongside better dialogue.
Shelly is bland as fuck.

>>5999689
Also I really love the bounce and bobbing in blood when going up and down stuff.

Its really nice.

>>5999689
I can see them firing the millisecond they see you AND you know where they are

>>5999671
>"There's nothing to talk about" he says in the "Anons talk about 20+ year old retro FPS games thread"

>>5998982
I like down to earth locations and varying them up with more crazy elements. Thief did this masterfully.
You cant go full real, or full nonsense.
Thats why I dislike amid evil, I guess its a matter of opinion.

>>5999583
This is exactly what I mean! Move like you mean it!

>>5999554
I waited until your mom came out of the hairdresser's and came in her hair.

>>5999707
Nailed it.

In another timeline, Ion Fury would retain the glorious visuals, but go a notch above with crazy protag, shock exploitation value, and overall just fucking vitality.

>>5999714
port those maps to Blood somehow, a much better build engine game

>>5999698
i had the moves once but have not played blood in months
my duke game is way sharper

>>5999705
i only knew about the grey cultist on the left side of the door because there was a window that i saw him from earlier
from that, i could infer that he'd have an accomplice somewhere on the right side
but i didn't even bother to remember that when i opened the door, which is why i prefired at nothing
if i knew where everything was i'd just use dynamite

>>5999707
But I'd wager it's like 75% people playing mods for the really popular shit like doom, blood, and quake and 25% people curious about playing the old classics, right?

I don't think there's anything resembling a modding scene or even plans for expansions for ion maiden and it's a throwback so you can't really call it "influential," either. No reason to come to this thread to figure out how to get it working, either. Just buy that shit from Steam.

>>5999229
politics in games is a matter of universal themes vs current topics but also how it's handled
like, one thing is someone discussing it in a polit, interesting manner
another is insulting your audience, pandering to a group of weirds that don't buy your games and just the general mentallity and behaviour i guess
like the other anon said: mgs, fallout and deus ex handled politics better

>>5999748
I didnt recognize it back then, especially since I was not really well read, and got tons of books in me in the meantime, from yourcenar to calvino, and I say I really respect Sheldon Pacotti work in Deus Ex and even Invisible war.

You empathize with everybody in Deus Ex, npcs have multiple lines, and they are integrated into the game with books and emails in a really class way enhancing the plot. Compared to it even the decentish Human revolution seems meh. HR and MD have nothing to say even with some really interesting characters like sariff. While Deus Ex 1 has memorable lines one after another.

>>5999654
And?

Hexens impossible with the fighter/warrior class with fast monsters. How the fuck fan you deal with the range spam monsters with shitty melee weapons REEEEEEEE

>>5999775
I beat it on nightmare as the fighter. It can be tough in the early levels but it's doable if you use your tossed flechettes well.

>>5999705
>I can see them firing the millisecond they see
if you squint a bit at the webm you can see it's running at 144 FPS with 6 ms frame time
convert that to 60 fps video and you get 17 ms between each frame
going frame by frame you can see there's a delay of hundreds of miliseconds between being seen and them doing their attack animation

>>5999380
No, I'm thinking of enemy hitscan, there are maps designed with that in mind, the way certain hallways bend, the placement of doors, and the placement of projectile blocking lines.

>>5999652
I like the gadgets but I wonder how well that gameplay would translate to a first person Doom sorta thing, half the fun of Ape Escape comes from the twin stick controls.
It'd be funny to chase little imps wearing peak point helmets and shorts though.

>>5999725
Nice moves. I think thats canon Duke in my mind. I love the little jump onto the edge of the trash tank, before jumping down. Reminds of little stuff I did all the time in Thief emulating real movement. Came naturally.

>>5999689
...that's poorly played?

I"m over here trying to figure out how to consistently get past the first 10 seconds of the train level and here you are with this shit.

>>5999806
See I knew it, Its another player getting trunced by the hard initial levels.

To be fair I think they could have started Blood with more easy going levels, the train is a bloodbath for new players.

>>5999806
To add, that's about mid level play.

>>5999806
episode 1 is the shareware and therefore the hardest
you don't get half the enemies and more powerful weapons

>>5999689
Ever played The Void?

What's the situation with NBlood now that Fresh Supply has been out a while? Since BuildGDX got a software renderer and I somehow missed it until today.

>>5999887
Not that anon but nice titties in that game.

Maybe I will try patho2 sometime.

>>5999859
I came off of ep1 and started ep2 and it seemed like it was retaining the same difficulty curve as ep1. Incidentally I gave up on Blood after completing ep1 because i simply didn't find it fun without savescumming.

what will this general look like if doom man actually gets announced for smash

should i be worried

>>5999930
you get into the groove, don't be casulfiltered

>>5999947
the "leaked" hat doesn't even have caco's bear and gave it big pink lips

>>5999664
nothing wrong with a little maternity

Just a question guys I put the voxels zip inside the autoload but they dont seem to be working for blood.

>>5999947
Hopefully the smash kiddies will stick to the /v/ threads, but if they try raiding this place they can be easily reported for not being retro.

>>5999947
>Should I be worried
no. It'll get cleaned up if it gets outta hand

ok

>>5999987

Never mind me, It worked now, strange. it showed on the boot.

>>6000015
Man I love voxels. Actually can add to the atmosphere of build games.

Reminds of that old game made of voxels, deserved a remake. Also delta force jank.

>>5999361
>DON'T THINK
>ONLY FEEL ANGRY

Wouldn't making Cyberdemons an enemy type make the arenas worse in Eternal?
Because at least in Doom classic, it can depend on scenarions like BFG use of even just basic slaughter wad stuff.

>>6000072
Depends on how they're used. For Classic Doom maps, Cybers are often used as long range "artillery support", so to say, one of them big bastards shooting rockets towards you from a distance, potentially a big threat depending on your nearby situation.

>>6000078
I expect the new gore system letting you exploit them somehow.
>Shoot the chest thing or dick armor plate to make them weaker

>>5999912
nBlood has little glicthes GDX doesn't
nBlood's software renderer outperforms GDX by roughly a factor of 3
GDX has custom difficulty, better soundfont options and less shit custom content support
GDX also has spawner glitches on some custom maps while nBlood doesn't

pick your posion, they're both breddy good

>>6000000

I'm ready to bite the bullet. Which are the notable sourceports for Blood?

>>6000095
BloodGDX and NBlood. Pick the one you like or flip a coin.

>>5999947
god please no

I don't want smashlets anywhere near my dad

>>6000105
>another phase of brutal doom/gzdoom noobies except they speak japanese
i feel bad for 88alice and others right now

>>5996946
>finally try out Death Wish
>first map is mandatory secret hunting. fund the napalm launcher or you're fucked
>second map is slaughter shit that goes from 0-100 at the snap of a finger
Fuck this dogshit mod and those that memed me into playing it.

>>6000113
lol

>>5999405
It was a bland, mediocre "boomer" shooter that shoulda, coulda, woulda been a hit but then they caved nto ResetEra's demands to change a soap bottle name from OGAY. "Le breadpilled" faggots REEE'd and review bombed it.

The 1 good thing that came from that controversy is that it was piss easy to pirate and let me see how generic the game was. Doesn't hold a candle to Duke or Blood in the slightest. Better than Shadow Warrior

>>6000124
>Better than Shadow Warrior
No.

>>6000095
>bite the bullet

>>6000124
>better than shadow warrior
I disagree, Shadow Warrior's arsenal still feels better.

>>5999405
I liked it. Ignore the controversy forced by Resetrannies and it's a fun shooter. I don't get why some people didn't like Shelly or Heskel though, I thought they were fun characters with fun lines.

>>6000124
>>6000134
Blood > SW > Douk

>>6000130
I'M READY FOR THE CULTIST HELL THAT AWAITS ME

>Quake is just Doom with Cthullu replacing Shaytan instead of a GATE fps
bruh

>>6000137
This is correct. While I prefer SW's arsenal over most of Blood's (TNT and Napalm are so fucking good it's not even funny), Blood's levels are all really fun, even the absolute ball busters. Blood's enemy roster is on the weak side but those fucking whacky cultists are so fun to fight it carries the game.
But all three games are fun and well worth playing.

>>6000139
considering how many whiny bitches desperately need gitting gud ITT you probably aren't

>>6000129
>>6000134
>>6000137
SW is artificial bullshit difficulty: the game. When I first watched Civvie (and before I disregarded him as shit) he summarized it best why people pretend to like this garbage: it's and FPS, retro, and hard, therefor, it's good. While disregarding all of its faults

>>6000147
Nah.

>>6000143
>but those fucking whacky cultists are so fun to fight it carries the game
this has always been my opinion, blood's weapons are ballanced for dealing with these bathrobe wearing one-eyed fucks, so even a yuge horde of zombies and butchers gets creamed instantly
as serious sam would put it, threat: none

>>6000145
I'm starting on the hardest difficulty just to prove you wrong. Cultist ain't shit.

>>6000151
k retard

>>6000159
I will mail you a single chocloate chip cookie if you manage to get to E1M3 without cheats on extra crispy

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1vyZDoykKIE

converted a bunch of these to WAVE a while back

>>6000082
>>5999912
nBlood software renderer also more accurate to the source in terms of colors.
GDX Hardware renderer outperforms nBlood's by a factor of 10 (1700-2000+ fps vs ~130-160) may not be relevant for modern PCs, but can be really significant on older machines/notebooks.

>>6000165
Without cheats, you mean without save scumming?

>>6000147
What the fuck is "artificial difficulty"?

>>6000113
>more than 5 enemies at a time = slaughtershit

>>6000197
A buzzword weenies have made up to save face when a video game owns them and leaves them butt flustered.

>>6000202
At least 6+ hellhounds and a fuckton of zombies in a crowded area. Stop pretending like you didn't die immediately or quick save your ass off

>>6000209
First off, a dozen enemies at once isn't even close to "slaughter". Second, hellhounds and zombies are fucking easy to avoid. You were probably trying to play it like Doom and not using your mobility options.
>how can hellhounds be real nigga just walk backwards and strafe haha they cant hit you mane

>>6000197
Fair/natural difficulty: do 5 pushups

Artificial difficulty: do 5 pushups with X, Y, and Z condition

Video game version:

Fair/Natural: Here are enemies and their attack patterns carefully placed in a level for good pacing

Artificial: Here's several of the most annoying enemy in the video game spammed across this level.

>>6000205
>boomer pretends he didn't quick save and die over and over
shut up, boomer

>>6000214
Tell me roughly how many zombies are in the first area where Caleb is being used as target practice?

>>6000218
The difference is I didn't get butt frustrated and try to save face on an anonymous message board.
Blood kicked my ass, I kept playing, I enjoyed it immensely. Shadow Warrior kicked my ass, and I kept playing.

You big weenie.

>>6000224
>it's old, an FPS, and hard, therefor, it's good

Every time.

>>6000227
>the game kicked my ass, and I don't want to learn how it works, therefore it's bad.
This works both ways, just drop the attitude and learn from your mistakes or put the game down and move on. There's no shame in not wanting to play a game.

>>6000218
what's wrong? bad at video games?

>>6000231
>acts like a pretentious faggot
>gets called out on being a pretentious faggot
>"h-hey, man. just don't play it, maaan"
Sit down, retard. You're not cool for trying something multiple times until you succeeded

>>6000238
For such a tough guy you sure are getting worked up over a video game on 4chan.
You're just bored, aren't you?

>>6000243
>tough guy
>weanie
SHUT THE ACTUAL FUCK UP, BOOMER

>>6000246
No.

>>6000246
>complaining about old people on a board full of old people
maybe you should head over to /v/ and make a coomer thread or something

>>6000218

Imagine arguing over video games.

In other news, hot fucking damn Blood is probably the most difficult game I've played in quite a while.

>>6000261
Blood is great, make sure to use the Tommy gun to stunlock cultists, it doesn't look like they get stunned but they'll be too busy dancing around from being shot to retaliate.

>>6000254
>s-someone who disagrees with me is le /v/edditor shitposter

Watching old fucks squirm on 4chan is almost as satisfying as it is in multiplayer vidyas

>>6000218
>several
>spammed
That doesnt even make sense. So there's only a few of them in a whole level, but they're also being spammed everywhere? Which is it?
You can just say you found enemies annoying, no need to revel in vague buzzwords like "artificial difficulty" and "spammed".
And you find doing 5 pushups difficult? Bruh...

I don't like how in Build games, enemy drops are inconsistent.

>>6000264
Part of me says you're trying to be le trollmeister but another part thinks you're being legit you can't understand the example

>>6000261
>In other news, hot fucking damn Blood is probably the most difficult game I've played in quite a while.
don't actually play it on extra crispy you absolute mad lad

>>6000276
Blood is absurdly hard on any difficulty level compared to any other ID or Build shooter because of the hitscanning cultists with their 0ms skynet death robot reaction times.

What happened to Wrath?
I was excited for it

>>6000283
I'm way better at blood than I am at doom, I can't finish map 30 of Scythe without just grabbing the yellow key and legging it to the exit
and cultists' lethality is grossly overestimated

Don’t open this.

>>6000286
>Scythe
The later levels are romhack Doom, the equivalent in Blood would be basically impossible. Think hundreds of hellhounds, cultists, screaming ghosts and a dozen giganigga gargoyles in the same level.

>>6000304
there was that one time BloodGDX glitched out on a 1997 wad and just wouldn't stop spawning butchers
kill counter included after I cheated

this is from "blood chronicals" community collection
I wouldn't recommend it

>>6000304
As long as you crouch stone gargoyles are harmless. Alongside a doll and voila.

>>6000328
regular gargoyles too
and if you set them on fire with flares they can't damage you
cerberus can be cheesed in v1.00 by ducking under his fireballs

Test

>>6000345
You passed. You been playing any good WADs or anything?

Where's "SO YOU WANT TO PLAY SOME (MORE) DOOM" some cunt linked me here so I'm looking for it.

>>6000337
The exploits add to the game. And make hordes of cultists even more fearsome and more satisfying to use guns akimbo on.

Man a modern Blood would be great, more enemies, Caleb with a cool black flowing cape.

>>6000347
I got this

>>6000346
Hexen and it's expansion. Played as the cleric. The final weapon is so fucking OP I feel like I cheated the game.

Member the part in lotr return of the king where the souls show up and just fucking WIPE everything out? Imagine that as a gun.

>>6000359
Oh absolutely, the wraithverge is nuts, though the Mage has some tools that fucking wipe the floor with monsters too.
Hexen is cool.

>>5998354
GET IT SHAMBLER

>>6000276
I'm the anon who originally said was going to start on Extra Crispy. I at least got a little bit into e1m2, the lack of ammo and dynamite is a real ball buster. It feels possible to me, I'd only need to find out all the secrets.
That being said, I'll finish the game on a lower difficulty first. Playing on EC at least taught me some nice lessons. I think I'm really going to like blood. Those cultists have really charming voice acting.

>get two teeth pulled
>get a bad infection
>spend two days in bed in a cold house absolutely whacked out of my mind with shivers and nonsense fever dreams
>dream of maps
>occasionally struggle to jot down an idea or set piece in between salt-water gargling and crawling back into bed
>look at notes today
>they're garbage

>>5998976
>No BFG to easily clear out rooms and bosses either.

Well... you could kinda count the mace as a bfg counterpart, but only it's tomed version since it's default one is sorta weak and tends to be a waste of ammo.
But i'll be honest, firing those big balls and seeing them bounce around, homing into enemies to OHKO them is much more fun to look at than the bfg's instant splash attack.

>>6000356
Got any interesting gameplay mods to go with these?