/vr/ - Retro Games

CvS2

>>5996504
Last blade 2

It's difficult to say. It's more a matter of preference. Capcom fighting game mechanics vs SNK fighting game mechanics. The parry system vs the just defend system. There's no right answer.

Third Strike (3S) is more popular than Mark of the Wolves (MOTW) and thus is better in the sense that it's easier to find people to play against. But that doesn't mean the actual game is without its flaws. In terms of presentation, 3S is arguably higher quality yet sloppier, while MOTW is arguably lower quality yet more cohesive.

3S really could use a patch or update to fix the balance of the game. Little tweaks here and there would go a long way to make the game a helluva lot better.

http://mikezsez.blogspot.com/2015/12/what-id-change-for-third-strike-upper-3s.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzL3Kbf6LnA

I don't know enough about MOTW to have an informed opinion on its game mechanics. I've heard it isn't perfect either, but in what ways, I don't know.

Just play what you like.

>>5996504
Which SF3? Either way Garou

>>5996559
How come the fighting game community doesn't make romhacks of 3S and other games to fix balance issues, glitches, etc?

>>5996562
I thought 3S came out in 2000 (and arbitrarily wouldn't be /vr/), but turns out it was 99 so it's good. I still prefer Garou though, 3S got less fun the better you were at it. I didn't like how the entire game focused on parries, and how you needed to do dumb shit like whiff normals to build meter. The balance sucked too.

>>5996579
>I thought 3S came out in 2000 (and arbitrarily wouldn't be /vr/), but turns out it was 99 so it's good.
>he needs to double-goodboy-check whether an old game is retro or not according to ancient faulty standards
mega cringe
you probably already pre-typed "not retro"

>>5996571
who is going to accept them and treat them as the new official standard?

>>5996585
I don't make the rules my dude, I just want to have a discussion without giving the mods a reason to pull it down.

One is remembered and played to this day, the other isn't. I think you're butthurt that your preferred one is forgotten, OP.

>>5996590
Fucking homo

>>5996504

I'm just glad both exist.

>>5996571
FGC is still incredibly fractured across hard-ass geographic lines to this day. You could make 3S the most balanced fighting game that's ever been, but the likelihood that it'd pick up steam apart from your little basement group is lower than zero. >>5996587 is right, unfortunately. There's no doomworlds to act as a community focal point. And no, EVO doesn't count (or hasn't, rather).

>>5996587
the fightcade community

Garou is probably the better game, but Third Strike is still played in tournaments to this day.

>>5996504
Kensei

>>5996504
>Garou or SF3?

Does it really matter since both games have a terrible cast?

>>5996509
fpbp

>>5996579
It runs on CPS3 so it should be considered retro anyways

>>5996559
>3S really could use a patch or update to fix the balance of the game. Little tweaks here and there would go a long way to make the game a helluva lot better.
MOTW has far worse balance than 3S. In fact the balance is the main reason no one touches MOTW.

>>5996820
>that gay shit

>>5996951
What are the issues?

SF3.

Getting good combos in Garou invovles using brakes, which is too fiddly.

>>5996972
Kevin has high overall damage and TOD combos
Can lower his profile to near unhittable
Grenade is basically a free oki and frametrap move
Can move the fastest in the game

>>5997036
How balanced is it without Kevin?

>>5997069
probably 3S tier without him

>>5997036
None of the Evo 2019 top 4 used Kevin

>>5997096
Evo 2019 wasn't high level MOTW it was a causal side tournament with a bunch of randos

>>5997104
What should I watch for high level MOTW?

Pre-3S? Garou easily.

3S? Pretty close to say.

>>5997117
shit on nico that isn't uploaded to youtube
https://www.nicovideo.jp/user/262408/video?page=2

>>5996504
Garou is very limited and repetitive plus has very retarded rules about which moves can be cancelled (and when).

>>5997117
https://www.youtube.com/user/GAMEacho/search?query=motw

>>5996571
They do. I know there's one supported on Fightcade called 4th Strike.

>>5997121
I think it says a lot about the quality of Garou that it got things extremely close to perfect on the first try, whereas SF3 wasn't even worth picking up until its 3rd iteration.

>>5996571
Because CPS3. The reason you're seeing rom hacks like >>5997546 pop up more recently is because someone may have finally figured out how to hack the game without fucking up the encryption, or just plain figured out how to run it without.

Hell, mame just finally recently fixed some long standing graphical issues with their cps3 emulation.

>>5997548
Slapdash work has always been Capcom's modus operandi in game development. I could go on and on about the endless versions of their games and how it's always one step forward, two steps back.

>>5997036
it's not just kevin

Jenet has the retarded divekick. Kain has retarded setups. Grant is an oogabooga gorilla with frame 1 supers that combo off anything.

>>5997548
SNK have always been great for this. Look at Last Blade as well. Only two entries, both are fantastic, not a single flop in the series. They really nail it when they put their mind to experimenting with new series; makes me wish we got more fresh takes like that instead of just more KOF. Everything these days is just sequel after sequel.

>>5997506
So it's hard for brainlets. I don't see what's the issue.

>>5999972
Less freedom for the player. Everything is strict and needs to be pre-defined, so there's a limited amount of things to discover and the longevity suffers.

Garou

You misspelled "Wild Ambition" bro

>>5996509
This unironically.

>>5996504
>Which is the better fighting game?
Depends on if you're satisfied doing nothing but cr.MK xx Super or not.