/vr/ - Retro Games

How many of you fucking niggers said the retrotink would only effect the input lag? It looks the best here

The Framemeister is almost a decade old, discontinued, and it still kicks the shit out of any of these neckbeard knockoffs that only poor people talk about because their mom won't give them more allowance no matter how many Good Boy Points they save up.

>>5982720
Imagine being one of these people obsessing over the most trivial shit in video games.

The RetroTink looked best imo. I couldn't tell the difference between the RT and RT+OSSC. Honestly I thought it looked better without the Gain boost, but I guess that would vary from game to game.

I would consider the scaler that works best across all your consoles rather than just 8bit composite though.

>>5982791
Do You know how many people said the retrotink wouldn't effect the picture? This board needs to get hit with gamma radiation

>>5982761
Your just missed that you spent 400 dollars on a grandmaster and it easily looks the worst

>>5982720
Its 2019 just use a CRT

>>5982814
> Its the current year!

>blown up pixels are supposed to look good on a flat screen TV
This is so retarded it hurts. Either use a CRT or a smaller monitor. I understand installing an RGB mod to for everything to look like in emulator, but why even bother if you can just emulate for nothing? Cult-like insanity.

>>5982842
He's using a monitor fucking retard

>>5982761
Retrotink is superior

>>5982768
When you have to keep reiterating it to yourself and other people how much you don't care it usually means you care alot

>>5982720
The retrotink uses composite video right? Why bother. Who is shilling this crap lol

>>5982720
The Framemeister's comb filter really isn't very good. I actually think it gives better results if you run composite through its S-Video input, which disables the comb filter. The RT2X is still probably better overall for composite, though.

>>5982791
The only real reason to pass the RT2X through an OSSC is if you already happen to have one and you want to use its scanline functions.

>>5982941
S video and rgb

>>5982898
trust me only the spam alone related to this shit worries me

>>5982802
*affect

>>5982853
>1440p
Same fucking thing, you daft motherfucker. Just don't blow up the pixels to ridiculous proportions and original res will look fine.

>>5983032
These screens don't scale things well or even at all at low resolutions that the entire fucking reason own one if these things

>>5983032
These screens don't scale well or not at all at low resolutions that's the entire fucking reason to own one of these

>>5982761
>overpriced hardware is marginally better than reasonably priced hardware

wow whodafunkit. But maybe I don't want to pay 500USD for a glorified HDMI adapter though.

>>5982761
The retrotink looks better here

>>5982720
Composite will look like shit by comparison no matter what you use. But OSSC is the best in general.

>>5982720

made my eyes bleed, just buy a CRT

Why would you turn your video signal analog from digital (outputting from original hardware) and then back to digital using one of these devices?
For fourth generation and below, software emulation is cycle-accurate so you can output directly to HDMI from your computer with the added benefits of run ahead, using any controller, and overclocking. For 5th generation I would just get a HDMI mod to the console if I wanted to use it on a LCD.

>>5982761
Enjoy your black screen cut-outs for high resolution games. Truly the superior product.

>>5983428
Framemeister FEARS 480i

>>5983436
I generally prefer interlaced on the xrgb-mini. The Bob deinterlacing on my ossc looks like poopoo

>>5983409
how do you HDMI mod PS1, SS, PC-FX, 3DO, Jaguar, NGCD?

>>5984107
>how do you HDMI mod PS1

>>5983409
Each one of those HDMI mods costs as much as an OSSC, and the difference in quality is marginal at best.

>>5984107
The PS1 you emulate so you can use texture perspective correction. The SS, PCFX, 3DO and Jaguar only have a couple worthwhile games each assuming you're not a super cringelord.

What ever happened to the OSSC Wolf edition or Kohryuu edition? I'd like to stream NES games.

>>5984830
That's actually pretty cool considering how annoying video from the PS1 can be. Only option that isn't 'just use a PS2/3 lol' that works with your average consumer set is HDretrovision's Genesis cables with an adapter, and even then only because they already solved the issue of RGB to Y/Pb/Pr for another system. Solutions like this are great for people that want better video, but don't want to spend hundreds on secondary devices.

>>5986428
So they'll spend hundreds on an HDMI mod instead? Just get a RAD2X cable if you want HDMI and are too poor for an OSSC.

>>5984853
This, HDMI mods for individual consoles are retarded unless you only have a single console that you care about playing. If you have multiple consoles, it makes no sense to take the time/effort/money to HDMI mod every single one of them rather than just getting a single device for all of them.

I do not understand. Why not just use a CRT? The only drawbacks I can think of one is the weight of a large one, and that not all have component inputs.

>>5984853
>>5986717
How many consoles can you really have that you play that often? Is a few HDMI mods really so much? Or, are you just realizing what a fool you are for having your convoluted scaler setup which converts the video signal into analogue and back to digital for no reason and trying to convince yourself you didn't make a huge mistake? You have far from the best picture quality. The difference in quality by using an HDMI mod is more than marginal and has bonus features in some cases like enabling/disabling dithering and anti-aliasing.

>>5986820
Unless you only have one (1) older console, it does not make sense to go the route of individual HDMI mods.

>>5986894
It does, if you want to eliminate any digital-analog-digital-signal-conversions in your setup.

>>5986903
autism

>>5986820
Sega Saturn.

>>5986903
>one $100-$200 DAC for a dozen consoles that can be switched around to heart's content
>a dozen $100 hardmods that will need to be replaced and redone if any one console fails

I wouldn't think this would be such a hard value calculation to make.

>>5986808
analog out from consoles to a crt is comfiest way to play retro shit.

>>5986903
How is it digital analog digital isn't it analog out from the console then to the upscaler digital then to the TV?

>>5987002
that and also if you have even a single console that either doesn't or can't have an HDMI mod done, you're fucked and need to get a scaling option like an OSSC *anyway* if you want to use it on your flat-screen.

>>5986903
>It does, if you want inaccurate colors
I totally want those! Where do I sign up?

>>5983256
>>5982814
>>5986808
>>5987023
CRT TVs literally make my eyes hurt after 10 minutes from the flickering

lol, it imagine caring about autistic shit like this
just use an emu like normal people

>>5987436
You have to be older than 18 to post here

>>5987115
The video starts as digital on the motherboard. Then, the motherboard has a chip that converts the digital render to an analog video signal. And finally, converting that analog signal to back to digital via HDMI with an external converter box.

>>5982720
RetroArch looks better than all of them.

>>5987436
Sounds like a YP. Not everyone is that sensitive to 480i. Sucks to be you I guess

>>5987256
[citation for bullshit needed]

>>5986182
What's your field of work, anon?

>>5988110
>You have to be older than 18 to post here
Nevertheless, you persisted

>>5988857
[proof of 18+ needed]

>>5989276
I work in food service. The official title is Food Artisan Team Member, but I have to do the cooking and all the cleaning.

Why would you need a framescaler though
If you care so much about visual fidelity, why aren't you playing on native res on a CRT TV

>"just use a CRT!!!!!!"

This whole argument is so dumb. Its like.. do people swear up and down that music sounds best on vinyl, and create large, expensive setups for the purpose of listening to records? Yes. Will a CD or digital file into any decent stereo or pair of headphones sound pretty good too? Yes.

Just pick which one you're more keen on and shut the fuck up, jesus.

>>5987256
>I don't know how to adjust color on a television so I'll add analog signal noise back into my setup I spent all this money getting component cables for to get the best possible picture
>>5992392
It's a bunch of people scared because the CRT bubble is popping and some of these retards have a bunch of them (more than the people who post battlestation pics). The speed at which shaders are getting better and mainstream is helping pop the bubble too, they're frightened and want people to join the cult. Otherwise why would they care so much?
>>5987002
I didn't know that would be such a hard amount of money for you to make.

>>5992417
What is it with and the digital analog digital noise bullshit? Look at any fucking video compareing these boxes to just plugging it straight into to a TV it looks better.

>>5992417
These boxes are made to correct the colors more so then the options you have with your television. I don't think you know a fucking thing about these machines

>>5992417
>i adjust the color on my tv each time i play a different game
>I spent all this money getting component cables
Stay seething LCD zoomlet

>>5992093
Damn, 20" BVMs cost $4000 when new?
I figured they cost a lot, but...

>>5992093
RGB mode is basically emulator without shaders mode.

>>5992392
>music sounds best on vinyl

It sounds different. Because the analogue hardware is so shitty it adds its own noise to the audio, adding 'color' to the music. Yes, these retards are literally masturbating over how dust particles affect the needle.

There's also the fact vinyl is older so music released on vinyl has different mixing characteristics due to how the industry works (the more recent, the more fucked up the mastering tends to be). So it's not that vinyl's better, it's that by the time CD and digital audio became a thing the industry started mastering audio really fucking loud to the point it sucks. It's possible to have a good mastering in CD but frankly that isn't very common because people like loud as shit music. So 'educated' folks prefer vinyl because it's from another era where this wasn't very common.

>and create large, expensive setups for the purpose of listening to records?

This is 100% retarded. People should use digital transmission and convert to analogue as late in the audio pipeline as possible. What they actually do is they convert to analogue as soon as the audio comes out of the computer and then buy $10000 japanese diamond grade cables to transfer the data "with as little interference as possible". Words can't describe how fucking stupid these people are.

>>5992504
Why does it matter to you what other people do? I listen to FLAC on my Hiby R3 and find it fine. Others chase expensive stuff. To each their own.

>>5992512
It doesn't. I just like to laugh at stupid people doing stupid shit. Why the fuck would you buy a $10k analogue cable when you can transmit the audio perfectly over cheap ass network cables to the speakers where the DAC resides? So much easier and better.

>>5992417

Seriously, people need to stop paying for CRT's. Some dumb bitch listed a totally ordinary 27" flat trinitron consumer set for $500 in my area, and it's listed as "Sony CRT Retro Gamer TV".

I guess hoping that some idiot thinks it's a PVM or something and pays that for it because youtubers told them it was the best thing to play super mario world on

Idk if anyone actually buys those $1000+ PVM's listed on ebay but I can see someone with more money than sense doing it if they just cannot ever find one locally, and it's like..

Yes, they have cool looking cases and are very sharp. They also are not "what I remember the games looking like" since 99% of people played on consumer crt's via composite for decades, 20" and up is the only worthwhile sizes and those are ultra pricejacked, and you can probably find a bigger consumer crt with component and speakers for $0-25 before long if you're just patient.

The sooner the bubble bursts the better so these low effort profiteers can move onto the next grift

>>5992504

You wrote all this out like I actually said /I/ think making a vinyl setup is a sensible pursuit. Weird.

>>5992531
i found a small rca truflat a few years ago, i tink i paid 6. i havent seen shit at flea markets or thrifts at all. prices for shipping are stupid and my area is small (boise) so not much appears on craigslist so prices aren't competitive with anything other than ebay

>>5992514
And then how do you think the sound gets from the DAC to the speakers, idiot?

>>5992538
Through the components inside the speaker, idiot. Obviously a much smaller distance and less prone to interference.

>>5992531
It's worth to pay some money for a nice display. Sure, you could get it for free from some old lady but these days you almost have to shell out money.

I bought my BVM back in 2010 before this whole crt monitor craze started happening and I paid a pretty penny. Was it worth it? Of course. Do I wish it was free? Yeah.

>>5982730
Don't expose the business.

>>5992542
How do they get from the DAC to the components inside the speaker idiot?

>>5992628
Via 10k dollar japanese cables obviously.

Framemeister LQQKIN GOOD
Framemeister owners on suicide watch after seeing this thread. And there are a lot of them on this board.

>>5986808
What you're saying is the equivalent of "why can't poor people just buy more money?"
We are looking at scalers because we can't get decent CRTs. I know you probably have a shed full of 21" BVMs you got paid to uplift from an old TV studio, but there's more people wanting to play SNES games than there are ready sources of Trinitrons. And a Craigslisted shadow mask is not really a worthwhile substitute.

>>5988192
But are these HDMI mods tapping that digital signal? Because it's highly unlikely to be exposed in a way that makes any sense. The graphics chip is going to be reading tile data and palette data out of RAM and feeding that to the video encoder as RGB analog. The most you can do is get the RGB signals before they are encoded in a carrier, but that's hardly a pure digital source.

>>5992786
I got this mother fucker by the side of the road for free
Bbbbut its not a pvm
Suckadickkkk

>>5992372
>a framescaler
a what?

>>5992423
get your eyes checked or get better hardware.

>>5993386
My eyes are fine how about you look at the fucking video in the fucking thread you cunt

>>5982730
I have them all. The 2x has a lot of minor issues that seem to be limited to the actual chip used to scale. Color banding and color accuracy are really bad. Lots of blocking and if I would guess it is faking entire portions of the 8bit color spectrum. It is acceptable for being cheaper but I never used it at all (also fewer input options and only 2x because of the chip it used hurts it bad)

>>5982720

>>5993386
New video uploaded to fix certain errors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMiHy-P_k8M&t=181s

>>5993509
Are you using the latest firmware?

>>5992795
Ugh why play the Xbox on that? The Xbox has such great video quality that you can hook it up through through component to an hdtv and it looks great

>>5993494
>how about you look at the fucking video in the fucking thread you cunt
I too consider youtube-video-compression to be the pinnacle of video-image-quality.

>>5993513
Based Anon working the upscaler marks into a seething shoot.

>>5983428
enjoy your eyes turning into scrambled eggs after using the OSSC for 15 minutes on any game that runs in 480i.

>>5992504
>It sounds different. Because the analogue hardware is so shitty it adds its own noise to the audio, adding 'color' to the music.

Back when CDs first came out, we were willing to listen to Kenny Rogers of all things, because EVERYTHING sounded so crystal clear from a CD compared to our vinyl and cassette collections.

But yeah, in modern times, mastering tends to fuck up everything.

>>5994414

Confirmed for never having owned an OSSC or not knowing how to use one

>>5994508
This entire fucking thread is just crt fags showing they no fucking nothing about how upscaled work

>>5994508
This entire thread is crt fags exposing how they have no fucking idea how an upscaler works

>>5993992
Go back to /asp/ you fairy.

>>5994568
kwab

>>5994552
What's funny about it is that OSSC deinterlacing looks basically the same as a CRT.

>>5994414
480i only games fucking suck anyway

>>5993523
Ive got the svideo

>>5994747
Not nearly as good as component especially these. They also allow you to play most games in 480p and some are even in widescreen

>>5994773
It's worth noting that if you're in a PAL region, the only thing you can get out of an unmodded Xbox is 576i for some unholy reason. Trivial to fix with a softmod though, and it'll even work with all your PAL hard copies.

>>5994773
Forget 480, most games allow 720/1080. The Xbox has stupid good video output for when it came out. I’m in the process of soft nodding mine, just waiting on the IDE-Sata adapter and controller-USB adapter.

>>5994789
>Most
A surprising number for a 6th gen console, but 'most' is a serious overstatement.
Helps that it has a framebuffer big enough to do proper 1080i too, the PS2 had to work with images below full-frame to fit it in its 4 megs.

>>5994773
monster cables for xbox suck anon OEM or trash

also inb4 not retro

>>5996242
Do your component cables have nitrogen gas injected dielectric insulators and sliver content solder connections? No you don't nigger faggot.

>>5992494
Yup. Which is why I don't play on CRTs anymore...