/vr/ - Retro Games

>>>/vg/

what do you think the d2 remaster will look like?

>>5982882
shit

>>5982882
I hope blizzard separates online from the original just so there's no hacked/duped items.

>>5982882
D2 looks really good with a resolution upscale (banned on b.net). If they just brush up the sprites and allow high resolution it'll look great.

>>5982357
>only end up playing Diablo 1 after the gog release
>that single town vibe
>slowly pushing deeper beneath the cathedral
>finding exits to town
>eventually pushing down to hell itself
was peak comfy, I actually like it better than diablo 2

Anyone tried doing plugy ip multyplayer games?

>>5983738
I did. Ended up being kicked out and somehow duping my Frostburns, then later my savefile got corrupted, but I don't think it's because of multiplaying.

>>5983382
The original files are worst of 90s 3D, I don't think you can improve other than remaking it completely and we will only end up with Final Fantasy/W40K ripoff aesthetic.

>>5983481
Same. Diablo 1 is my most replayed game for many years, they nailed the gothic horror atmosphere in that game.
Diablo 2 was a fun time when it came out with friends but I only really played through it once and a bit of multiplayer and that was it.

>diablo 2
>2000
>>>/v/
>BUT DIABLO 1 IS RETRO DIABLO 2 IS TOO
By your logic, Super Mario Bros is retro so Mario Odyssey should be too. Holy hell, kids. /vr/ should have been pre-1995 games.

>>5983901
>yfw they make it pre-1995 posters only

found IK boots yesterday lads

>>5984532
I found 40 cb stone crusher today!

What is the best way to play Diablo 1 online with a friend?

anyone willing to play diablo 1 multi? (hd mod would be cool) id love to have a big group like sometimes happens in 2

>>5983738
>>5983796
Fuck it, I'll try hosting. Join if you want.
10.8.1.5 (on vpn)
Starting lvl52 trapsin on nightmare.
Don't know how long I'll on for, I'll post again when I quit.

>>5985735
Oh d2 version 1.13c. Plugy 11.02 if that matters.

>>5982357
What's the easiest way to play Diablo 1 on Windows 10?

>>5985735
>>5985740
Got to go out for a bit. Probably play again later.

>>5985810
Game is back up - trapsin lvl53, nightmare, starting catacombs, doing all quests.
Ip 10.8.0.19 (vpn)
1.13c
Plugy 11.02

>>5985753
I haven't tried it, but surely Blizzard's official re-release on GOG works out of the box on any modern OS, online included?

why doesn`t my d2multires work?
i have the right patch and all

>>5985940
Alright I'm done for today.

Beast or CoH? I already built the rest.

>>5985753
I got a laptop with Windows 10 and I bought the GOG version like other Anon said, game works fine out of the box.

I want to say that I played this game for the first time this October, and it was one hell of a spooky ride. I've been playing horror games for about 2 decades and haven't had nightmares because of them for ages. This game legitimately disturbed me. Everything is dark and corrupted, and even the somewhat corny NPCs have their moments, like when you ask Farnham the Drunk about the Butcher. His sobbing genuinely upset me. It's been long that I cared for the story and world that much.

That being said, the first time I played Diablo 2 I tossed the game after the first quest. "Go into this cave and kill 42/42 enemies, here's your obfuscate skill tree that doesn't make any sense to someone who doesn't have a degree in Mathematics and has played the game 3-4 times to know what is good and what sucks". Miss me with that gay shit, Blizzard. If I wanted to play World of Warcraft I'd do that.

>>5986593
>That being said, the first time I played Diablo 2 I tossed the game after the first quest. "Go into this cave and kill 42/42 enemies, here's your obfuscate skill tree that doesn't make any sense to someone who doesn't have a degree in Mathematics and has played the game 3-4 times to know what is good and what sucks". Miss me with that gay shit, Blizzard. If I wanted to play World of Warcraft I'd do that.
cringe

>>5983481
Diablo 1 is fun because it is difficult on a normal playthrough. Diablo 2 is just a race to the finish line so you can begin the endless loot grind.

>>5983481
Diablo 1 is also my favorite of the series but I was not a fan of the power curve. At least while playing a sorcerer I found myself more than prepared for every obstacle from floor 10 onwards and had enough escape options to not worry about dying. Warrior is a little harder since you have less options. I also wish there was more punishment for dying since if you remember to save like any RPG player knows to do then there's not a lot of tension. Which is an issue for a game with horror themes.
Still, great music, great claustrophobic dungeon design, the narrative accomplishes exactly what it needs to. Not a fan of the loot lottery speed run direction the sequels seem to have went in. Despite their superior mechanics.

>>5982882
Cows and cows and cows.

>>5987043
I agree fully. I like that D1 introduces immune normal enemies midway through the game rather than going all the way through normal an halfway through nightmare like in D2. In D1, the challenge is to beat the game. In D2, it's all about rushing to the end so you can endlessly loot treadmill.

>>5987043
Super fun if you play it hardcore, and only allow a trip to town once per every exit.

>>5986746
>Diablo 2 is just a race to the finish line
depends entirely on the class/build though.
a lot of builds blaze through the game until Hell difficulty until they can't progress without getting Infinity runeword and/or a Lower Resist wand on swap.

>>5982357
I just played D1 recently for the first time.
I loved the simplicity better than what D2 was.
There were fewer monsters but that made them spookier. I liked the idea that here is a church holding a way down until you reach hell.
The lightning wall breaks the game. Diablos final level is weak aesthetically. The chest was definitely a great improvement thou all the items lying around makes the town look crappy.

the hell 2 adds unironic summoner class to D1

actually, three of them with their own summons

is there a "so you want to play some fucking diablo 2" image that sums up the best way to play it and get the best experience? wanting to start my first ever playthrough

>>5989602
step 1: pick necromancer
step 2: summon skeletons
step 3: pour yourself a drink and enjoy the show

>>5989602
Diablo 2 1.13 + PlugY + >>5989851 + farm items for other classes then move there.

>>5982882
Not worth the trouble.
Also applying it to widescreen is going to be an interesting mess to look at.

>>5983481
I do like Diablo 2, but I think Diablo 1 just has a lot of strength that the sequel simply doesn't have.

>>5983481
Diablo 1 was anything but comfy. I was always at the edge of my seat, because one wrong move can fuck me over. It was a surprisingly difficult and stressful game, even compared to D2, where you could breeze through the game on Normal difficulty even with substandard build.

Finally!

>>5982357
Newfag to Diablo here, found out my shit PC can run Diablo 1, downloaded Hellfire because I thought it was simply Diablo but better, started a warrior run and I'm really enjoying the story and the gameplay, I've never played anything similar to this
That being said, what is the essential diference between regular Diablo and Hellfire? Is it merely more characters? Does the story change in any way?

>>5990643
Hellfire wasn't made by Blizz, for one, but Sierra. It gives you new class (Monk) and new dungeons with a new final boss. The problem is - they suck. Hellfire has nothing to do with Diablo's story, the dungeons don't fit thematically, new spells are lame and it all feels like a rushjob. You can play it if you want, but if you skip it nothing of value will be lost.

>>5990643
Hellfire was made by Synergistic Software, published by Sierra. It's uh, well, it is what it is. David Brevik hates it.
I can't call it awful, but I can't call it great either, it has some serious bugs (such as the unique droprate becoming infinitesimally tiny), so I would suggest you patch that.
Otherwise it adds one dungeon which feels slightly out of place with the game (fitting more with Diablo 2 actually), and one new dungeon which is, well, ok I guess. Music is nice.

Much of the new stuff it adds is from Diablo's beta (and that stuff is mostly all still in Diablo's .mpq archive, so it's not like they had to ask Blizzard North nicely for it), in that regard, the later Belzebub mod does a much better job using the beta assets.

>>5990652
>>5990665
I see, when I just downloaded Diablo and didn't know how to even enter the dungeon and start playing, I had merely watched an old video by som guy praising it as a great superior alternative to regular Diablo, maybe I should just download regular Diablo and start over there, perhaps there is a way to move my save files around to this one? It's not like I'd be losing much, I had barely gotten to level 9 and reached floor 5 or so, killed the Butcher in the stairs with a small bow, etc.

>>5990695
if you started playing hellfire you might as well finish it since it has all the regular diablo content

>>5982357
>semi active D1 community
Uhh
May want to change the pastebin

>>5990665
Does Belzebub work with the GOG version? I remember running it on regular Diablo back in the day. It was great.

>>5990721
Yeah, you just need the diabdat.mpq, which Belzebub will detect if you have the Diablo disc in your drive. Optionally you can copy it into the Belzebub directory, which is recommended, because that means it doesn't have to stop to read from the disc to load stuff at times.
You got it on GOG, so you can just copy it from that directory as well.

I will say though that Belzebub is considerably different from the base game, I think it's worth playing that for a bit before, to get a feel for the original and also appreciate what it does differently.

>>5989602
Install Plugy.
(if you have problems with Plugy on Windows 10, try installing D2SE instead)
Play a caster with a foolproof build, like Hammerdin, Windy Druid (you start off as Fissure druid but respec end of Nightmare) or Meteorb Sorc.
Play through to end of nightmare.
Farm Nightmare Andariel and Mephisto on /players 3 or /players 5 with 100~200MF at least.
Collect gear.
Once you have some gear, proceed through Hell.
Farm Hell Andariel and Mephisto.
Once you've decently farmed those, do
Pit/Tunnels/Mauso/Pindle/Nihilthak/LK/Cows runs.
Do Diablo (ie: River of Flame & Chaos Sanctuary) runs for exp, starting at City of the Damned waypoint.
Eventually mix in Worldstone Keep & Baal runs.

>>5989602
>>5991205
I got a better one:
>Install Plugy.
>Play a caster with a foolproof build, like Hammerdin, Windy Druid (you start off as Fissure druid but respec end of Nightmare) or Meteorb Sorc.
>Play through to end of nightmare. On /players 8.
>When you're in hell switch to /players 1
>Play through hell

OK, you may call me retarded, but is there some trick to the Butcher in D1 that I'm missing? Is there any way to defeat him legitimately as a Rogue/Warrior without cheesing? He always two-shots me. Or do I just have to grind like crazy and come back at some ridiculously high level?

>>5991327
He's a bit of a beginner's trap, if you go knock on his door the first time you get the quest, he's gonna split you down the middle, in honest combat anyway.

There's some tricks to abuse his AI, one is to trick him to go into the stairs as pictured, another is to lure him to a spot with bars and a door, and then slam the door shut on him while he's on the other side, where you can just twink him with a bow or whatever.

>>5991327
But without cheesing? I guess if you have some firewall you can cast that at the entrance when open the door, then stay in place and he'll sizzle, but that's not gonna stop him from getting hits in on you, which is still gonna hurt like a bastard.

You kinda just have to level up a bit to face him.

>>5991483
I guess it'll sound like whining, but for me that's a fucking weird design choice to put such a ridiculously powerful boss so early into the game - was it an oversight or a deliberate choice? Because other bosses are actually quite a bit more manageable and this fucker looks like a deliberate "fuck you, player" boss.
I guess coming from D2 to D1 a lot of things look strange.

>>5991523
As I said, he's a beginner's trap kind of boss.

Just started playing D2. Do you all play at the native resolution or do you use one of the high-res mods which apparently allow you to engage mobs outside their aggro range? How do you fix the aspect ratio if you play at native res?

>>5991523
He was originally going to be on the first floor

>>5989851
Lmao I just started my first playthrough with that build (before I saw your post) and was wondering why it is so easy

>>5991672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDdLqCyKvcU

Are Belzebub-specific classes (Assassin/Necromancer/Barbarian) any good andor balanced/? I kinda want to give Assassin a try, but her skillset and stat distribution looks kinda all over the place.

>>5991523
Diablo was inspired by roguelikes, and in those games it is completely normal to skip levels if you find an unusually strong monster.

>>5992432
I haven't tried them. Take the plunge and see what happens.

>>5993252
Well, Assassin got BTFO'd within 5 seconds from entering the Cathedral. I guess she's supposed to be "hit-and-run" character that attacks from stealth, but with how many monsters there are and how wonky the stealh is, this approach requires some ridiculous skill.

A dumb question - do you guys know how to reset cinematics in Diablo 2? I have reinstalled my game after some hiatus and yet the cinematics I've unlocked previously are still available.
Not that big of a problem, but my OCC does not give me pause.

The only thing I want is High Res modes to find a way to work by not zooming out so much.

What is the simplest yet effective build that doesn't have to do anything with more than two spells and isn't sorceress?

For some reason I always found the way the skill bar works with only two skills showing in Diablo 2 weird. Are there maybe any mods that change that ?

>>5993473
Trapsin maybe. One trap on each button.
Never found it too bothersome to hotkey spells though

How do I get Glide + MultiRes + PlugY + BaseMod to work together?

>>5993473
Skellymancer, spam amplify damage.

Haven't played this game in nearly a decade. What class should I play? I remember enjoying Assassin but I want to play something else.

How shallow is D1? I haven't played it before and assumed people just loved it for the atmosphere. Is it worth it for the gameplay too?

>>5994442
It's actually more dificult and open-ended with the builds than Diablo 2. You probably will fuck up your build on your first run. It lacks a lot of convieniences of D2 like the teleportation circles but this makes for more memorable experience. And it doesn't hold your hand in the slightest. A lot of the game is essentially trail and error - and if you die, that's that. Hope you saved your progress.

>>5993473
Javazon
You only throw lightning bolts or stab people with lightning bolts.
But it pretty much entirely hinges on having an Infinity though.

Hammerdin
The whole game is literally pressing 1 button.

>>5994595
How is it possible to fuck up a build when there are so few stats to worry about? Surely one handed+shield while pumping strength and vitality will do just fine

>>5994378
Cold sorc then lighting when you farm up runes for infinity and drop a griffon

>>5994681
Because of enemies with physical atttack immunity, "fuck you" debuff shrines and Black Death. Permanent debuffs are a thing in Diablo.

>>5994681
You also need dexterity to use better weapons, and one handed + shield is a nightmare against the hellwitches so you better have a bow or have learned some spells.

Who else doing Grail?

>>5995049
me, only got around 58% of items so far

>>5995173
Me at 93%.

>>5994681
you're supposed to dump into dex if you want to use shield + sword

>>5994442
not shallow at all. in fact, if they added a sprint option/spell, it would easily have beaten d2. i feel like d1 is also much harder with the lack of skill trees and overpowered items. sorcerer is an exception, they break the game by design like most mages in pre-2000s games

>>5994681
>How is it possible to fuck up a build when there are so few stats to worry about?
To cite >>5995265
>you're supposed to dump into dex if you want to use shield + sword

See? You already fucked up your build and you didn't even start the game yet. Just because it's simpler on the surface than Diablo 2 doesn't mean there's no complexity.

>>5995049
How viable is it to do with a non-sorc?

>>5996312
Any class can do it.

>>5996312
I chose to do it across all characters. Breaks the monotony.
Even though it's not the most efficient, I enjoy running my javazon through tals tombs.
>The sound of popping a full room of skellies
ahhh yes.

Am I shit or is Druid really fucking bad the first 12 levels?

>>5996312
Doable with any class.
There's another Aussie in here that did the grail with a Bowazon.

>>5996592
Fissure, and or the spell before it.
Use +manaonkill gear, especially a triple Tir rune helmet and you'll never have mp problems

could you make anything good with this

>>5996619
>very slow attack speed
nah

>>5996592
levelling build through Normal (with respecs) maxes Firestorm and just kinda crushes everything
Werewolf is your standard melee build, not great, not terrible

Hi! i started playing diablo 1 seriously after buying the GOG version, but i find myself dying a lot with warrior and mage classes, is there any tips or strategy to playing with those classes? lack of life and mana regeneration i am used to in other games is difficult

>>5997012
I've found this :) http://www.blizzardguides.com/diablo1_guide.html

>playan Diablo 1 for the first time
>ranged enemies run away when you get close
>at the same speed that you move
>TFW melee class and have to kill ranged packs by chasing them until they path into a corner

What the fuck were they thinking? Did they just never play melee builds in testing? I understand that if they don't flee it trivializes them but there had to be a better way then chasing that goatman across the entire dungeon until he gets stuck in a wall

>>5997012
Stock up on potions, like fill your belt and have a few in the bag too. mobs can stunlock you if you're swarmed, so if there's lots of guys back away and make use of terrain while fighting so you're not surrounded. You can throw stuff on the ground in town and it doesn't disappear until you make a new game. And don't forget to buy town portal scrolls from the witch.

>>5998221
That's why you need to put at least some effort into spells, or a bow.

>>5998221
Just wait for the witches.

Sometimes you can get em when they turn a corner.

>>5998310
If you mean those teleporting wizard dudes in hell, I actually find them to be the easiest ranged enemies to deal with so far. Their health is low enough that I can one shot them even with my lowest damage roll, they're pretty slow on the draw with teleporting so I can often times run up and bonk them while they're in the long ass animation, and they tend to derp out and teleport right beside me too boot.

compare that to succs bailing as soon as I get within the same time zone and only stopping when they fuck up and run into a wall.

I can finally make my infinity lads.

i really love diablo 1 similarities to Moria roguelike because i also play a lot of roguelikes myself, and Diablo 1 is the only ARPG that i know that not has a big world with thounsands of quests. I would love to have a Diablo 1 mod for Diablo 4 eventually, just one big and random dungeon with only one quest to kill a very difficult someone, requiring you to prepare for it.

>>5998810
Nice drop dude. After all the time it took me to make infinity.. I prefer insight with my cold sorc. I just seem to burn too much mana and haven't adapted to infinity. I do use it running javazon and I'm using it right now on my trapsin, currently up to a3 hell and shredding.
One more ber (or 1 jah) and I can make enigma........ Have been hunting for a while now.

>>5998832
Thanks man. Yeah, I haven't taken my Javazon through Hell yet, so I'm excited to give it a shot with the Infinity.

>>5998832
potential drop just outside town.... lets goooooo
>place your bets

>>5998810
Nice. Make sure to reroll it at least 50/300.

>>5999254
What is the safest way to reroll on Plugy?

Are mods frowned upon here?

>>5999940
No. Some people use PlugY or Belzebub

>>5983901
Fuck off and stop spamming the thread.
You arent a mod.

>>5991523
He slayed the townsfolk. Hes nothing to sneeze at.

>>5999929
>put items in your inventory
>save & exit the game
>copy the char save files to other location
>go back to game
>roll your 2/1/1 CtA
>fuck you rng
>exit the game
>replace the new save files with save files you've copied where the items, runes, jewels were intact
>go back to game
>roll item again
>get 6/6/4 CtA
>profit

Same goes for eth bugging stuff, rolling sockets, rerolling skillers, etc.

Guys, is there already a DevilutionX build with high res support?

>>6000669
isn't that cheating

>>6000669
Thanks buddy.

>>6000669
Why not just use hero editor of something at this point?

>>6000669
That is such a dumb way of cheating rolls. Ctrl+alt+del works just as well and doesn't require you to move anything around.

>>6000845
it is lol pathetic. you could also save game before every boss and wait for the big drop

>>6001159
>you could also save game before every boss and wait for the big drop
I always do this for pindle.

>>5991523
Well if they powered him down would you be talking about him? The only other boss that I ever bring up would be Leoric since he can raise the dead and the main story bosses. If the Butcher was a pushover then they would talk about him as much as the war lord of steel or the mad sorcerer dude.

Wait until you hit a mob of unique acid spitters being a sentinel gate keeping you with rapid fire acid volleys.

>>5994681
You have to pump DeX, and you cannot run so projectile enemies can be bothersome when they flee. You have to learn how to trap enemies without aggroing other enemies since if you play a no magic warrior you cannot clear up mobs easily. I often use a bow to plink off a few shots while the enemy tries to get close, anything with a faster attack speed or knock back can be useful as a warrior since his attack speed is slower than the Rogue here.

Only Griswold's shit left.

>>6003029
Fourth one :(

Oh shit I hadn't been on /vr/ before and didn't realize there was a Diablo general here. I just recently jumped back into Diablo 2 after not having played it since before the expansion pack came out (played it off and on since but probably only a few hours total during that period).

Playing a lightning sorc at the moment but no real idea what I'm doing anymore, and rune stuff confuses the fuck out of me. Just going around charged bolt-ing everything, lightning vs big mobs. Me and some friends are gonna start ladder characters after the next reset and so I gotta figure out what I'll run since they both suck at stuff (ones gonna play a whirlwind barb).

After putting 200+ hours into PoE this year and getting bored with it, this game feels nice to come back to after all these years.

>>6002891
I’d take -light radius over knock back.

>>5993473
You can unfuck the controls with Autohotkey with a bit of work. I had proper hotkeys that immediately cast spells, and automatical shift holding

>>5996312
Eventually other classes become as fast as or faster than the sorceress. Ultimately you will want to spam Baal and/or Pits. I think Pits with a singer (warcry barb) can be insanely fast with sick gear. You dual-wield wizardspikes for extreme teleport, and destroy the boss packs with warcry. Then you have find item, which makes it superior to the sorceress. Lightning sorc is still pretty insane for baal runs, though.

Why won't an eth thresher DROP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

eNIGma

I finally got this bitch to drop, is eth really necessary for Infinity?

>>5982357
Bros I have a question. What is the best balance between MF and damage? Oftentimes I see 250/300 MF being mentioned as a number to aim for, but most guides and builds I see rarely have more than a Shaco, and maybe Enigma or Chains of Honour as items that give MF. Considering that the only thing you do in the game post killing Hell Baal is grinding of items, how much should you focus on MF, and how much on speed, and where are the best places to farm with lower MF?

>>6006435
as you can see getting around 100-200 mf is what benefits you the most and anything after that you should only go for if you don't sacrifice too much killing speed.

>>6006214
>>6005027
Yes, absolutely. Eth items have double the damage, and dont break on mercs. Continue farming Cows or 85 areas, I see threshers and other polearms drop all the time. Dont cheap out on it especially for Infinity, plus real items on mercs are just shit for style points, its peasant behavior.
>>6006435
Whatever you can kill fast with. If you can clear it fast, then go as high as you can. I can put 700MF or more on necro and have same clear speed as with 300. With pala, sorc and java I keep it at 300-400.

What build for an absolute beginner for diablo 2? Playing offline and not stopping until I clear all 3 difficulties

>>6006214
if you're gunna make an expensive rune word you may as well put it in a really nice base.
eth thresher, CV or cryptic axe.
it'd be a waste to just slap it in a normal Scythe or something.

>>6006691
Thanks buddy, I'll keep running cows and AT.
>>6006702
Thanks. I actually got an eth CV today, is that better than an eth thresher?

>>6006692
>What build for an absolute beginner for diablo 2?
Summonmancer is the easiest soloist in the game with insane safety and, with time, good AoE for clearing (thanks to hard points into Corpse Explosion).
Generally, for newbies, fullclearing the entire game is biased in favor of spellcasters, so Cold/Fire Sorceress, Trapsin and Lightning Fury Amazon (or a hybrid Lightning Fury Amazon with a backup skill like Frozen Arrow) are all a safe bet.
Holy Shock/Zeal Paladin is also rather straightforward if you'd rather go into melee but want to avoid most pitfalls of melee in this game.

>>6006706
depends really.
CV will do more damage, but it's got a pretty high str requirement.
Thresher is decently fast, decently high dmg but doesn't have the crazy str requirement.

>>6006707
>clearing the entire game is biased in favor of spellcasters
This.
Took me years to figure out on my own and 100x this.
Melee builds are basically the real Hard Mode for Diablo 2.
They're so much slower that Barb's fastest skill build is just shouting at things instead of stabbing them.

>>6006708
I appreciate the help.

>>6006707
Appreciate the post. I greatly prefer spellcasters to begin with so I will probably play as a sorceress.

>>6006716
As a fairly new player (on and off for a six months or so), I'd recommend the meteorb sorc build.

>>6006691
>With pala, sorc and java I keep it at 300-400.
And what items do you use? I find that on non Sorc characters I can barely add in 100MF without sacrificing too much damage. Some tips for Amazon and Assassin MFing early without any extremely rare items would be helpful. And by that I mean keeping damage and resistances relatively high while adding MF.

Also on non Sorc/Enigma characters, how much should not being able to teleport factor into where I farm?

God damn eth thresher won't drop, but the second most rare rune in the game will lmao.

>>6006692
https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=14682417

>>6006975
Stop giving Summoner builds to newcomers, you will bore them to tears and make them quit long before they even finish Normal.

>>6006692
Go Lightening Fury Amazon / Trap Assassin.

>>5982357
Are +3 Javazon Skills/20IAS gloves from Anya always War Gauntlets (STR Req: 110), or can they spawn as regular Gauntlets (STR Req: 60)?

>>6006915
>cham

Man I'm getting some lucky drops.

>>6007290
I was going to do a similar picture a month or two ago, but I intended to also include a few items like a renamed key "Key to Charsi's chastity belt" etc.

>>6006915
jesus, fix your resolution, this looks disgusting

>>6007795
looks great mate

>>5982357
>diablo 2
>retro

fucking zoomer

>>6007828
More retro than you lmao

>>5990652
Hellfire had a handful of cool things. The. Oils were a nice touch and let you keep buffing high end gear.

Reflect was a nice spell for melee characters and Warp was good for quality of life. Immolation was fun to spam with Nova to clear levels insanely fast since the sorcerer is broken if you dupe gold and can buy top spells .

The Hell 2 adds a ton of content and all of Hellfire. It's probably the best mod for all the assets.

It's a little grindy but not too bad. Multiplayer is grindy though. It makes team play exciting when bosses on any level can wipe your party but it also sucks having to replay levels because you can't afford potions and are getting raped by acid spitters.

It also turned off friendly fire which makes using a sorcerer a bit too easy. I always like how magic could rape enemies but also would kill your tank if you aimed poorly.

>>6006692
If you want to beat Hell using a melee character offline I'd just hack some top items in. You'll spend forever trying to get gear that makes melee playable.

That said, Steeldriver is all you really need to be a beast through the end of Nightmare.

If you want to beat Hell and not grind gear, a necromancer is pretty much the only build that can quickly clear things. Max skeletons and mastery then corpse explosion. Lay amp damage down and wipe the screen with CE.

Also take some points in revives. Bosses are the only real challenge because the game wipes corpses for Diablo and Baal. For them get tons of revives with crushing blow (Udars are good). Find a staff with teleport charges and stack your entire 50 man army next to Baal and watch his life drop.

Necromancers outclass everything else. Only problem is having to buy and recharge something with teleport

>>6007952
noob

>>6007907
I don't know about The Hell 2, but The Hell was obscenely difficult for me, is it any easier?
I liked Belzebub a lot.

>>6007980
It's definitely harder than vanilla, but I never got stuck or had to restart.

I died trying the Butcher too early and then had a boss (every floor has 2-3 uniques, which are usually a battle) I couldn't beat. Turns out, I was forgetting that swords do 50% damage vs undead. Once I quick swapped to my mace I killed it fine.

Multiplayer is brutal though. You're having to replay a level or two every 3-4 levels to keep up with potions.

It makes you actually play together which is nice though. Every encounter is an actual battle. Our rouge was pulling using infravision. We had a game plan for tanks and where to put lightning walls to control the AI and split up goatmen packs.

Barbarian is probably the easiest to start with or rouge, so that you don't have to swap weapons all the time.

>>6008003
Sounds interesting, but I was never a great teamplayer, and The Hell was already too hard for my tastes.

>>6008009

Yeah, it's a balance problem too. They added a perk system (similar to Fallout) that gives you different bonuses each level. You also can run when not in battle and have gloves, a belt, boots, and weapon swaps.

But it's really hard to know where to put your stats early on. Blocking by maxing dex early doesn't seem to work nearly as well for warriors.

The game was brutal as a summoner but then pretty easy as an Executioner.

I don't like the Barbarians not having magic either. Being able to telekill succubi becomes essential once they can walk faster than you.

I have mixed feelings about axing friendly fire too. Fucking up and accidentally fire walling your own party to death is a Diablo right of passage.

>>6006909
Sorc gear

>griffon with light facet
>mara
>coh
>arach
>oculus ist, cta switch
>spirit, spirit switch
>magefist
>wartrav
>soj and nagel
>40 gheed, anni, torch,
>5x light skiller
>12 7%mf small charm

Total MF 305.

For Pala the difference is
>shako
>enigma
>arach
>hoto and spirit, same switch
>wisp
>combat skillers

The rest same. amount of mf sc varies. MF 300 and up.

For Java
>griffon with ias jewel
>highlord
>enigma
>arach
>eth titans, cta switch
>spirit, spirit switch
>20 ias gloves with mf and res
>wartrav
>wisp and raven
>javelin skillers

300 MF.

Necro can easily ramp it up to 700, I always start with him and just clear the pit, tunnels, cows and CS until I have gear for others. Then I keep it at 300-400, depending of what space I have, 7% mf sc are great.

>>6006909

Once you hit level 80 or so you should start to see staves with teleport for sale. It's not as great as enigma or an amulet, but you can swap to it.

I used to run the Pit with a necro with 4 P topaz armor, a dual P topaz helm, and some othe minor MF stuff.

Probably the easiest class. Just have your merc and golem get some kills in the Blood Moor until you have a full army and then teleport to the pits. I normally keep revives as meat shields too.

Corpse explosion does all the work, just wipe and repeat. Essentially no monsters are fire and physical immune and your damage output is insane.

If a boss has fanatacism I normally just flip to decrep to be safe.

So, I'm new to this game in terms of actually trying to grok it enough to play well. Last played ages ago. I'm at act 5 normal, and last part of act 4 was a massive difficulty spike. I'm playing a lightning sorc but no idea what 'priority' to level skills are. Charged bolt is at 19, with a +3 to it from my staff. Lightning itself is at... 6 or 7 right now. Also no idea on what kind of leveling equipment to look for/runewords to use. Stealth I know is a heavily used one, but I have boots with +30 run/walk speed. Also vendors are a pain and don't give me socketed normals.

>>6008027
How are these not rare and expensive items? I didn't ask for a list of all the best items in the game.

>>6008387
Lightening Sorc is a build that people do after the get extremely wealthy items wise.
Otherwise the most important skill is Lightening, followed by Chain Lightening, then their synergies.
But really just respec into Fire or Cold.

So I installed plugy for the bigger stash and qol improvements but I can't get my old character to work with it. Well, the character transferred over no problem but none of the changes take effect on that save file. The file was created on 1.14 before i knew about plugy. I copied the save folder, uninstalled 1.14, installed 1.12 and patched up to 1.13d, installed plugy, and set all the admin permissions needed. It all works fine and if i create a new character, the big stash works immediately. when i open my old character save file none of the changes work. Am i boned because the character was created in 1.14?

>>6008387
If you're new, really you want a build that works even with minimal items. Generally that means summonmancer or a Barbarian with Berserk, etc.

>>6008768
Yes, PlugY doesn't work with 1.14.

>>6008768
As far as easy copy paste goes, yes you're boned. However you can edit your character over using hero editor.
If the character was a high lvl I'd probably edit to the same character lvl and anything valuable I had (like infinity/hoto/ect.) and start farming from there. Or just start over if I was idk lvl40? or below.

>>6008940
>>6008972
Turns out I just had to convert the character to expansion. Now I have my old character with the big stash and customization options. I kind of assumed that installing LoD expansion had automatically updated all my characters with new content, but I guess I was supposed to manually update/convert. I guess that also explains why I missed some stuff in act 1.

Am I the only one who has to get all the waypoints before he progresses?
I hate missing one, even if it's in normal

>>6009319
No, the first thing I do is run through a new area to find the way point.

>>6009319
Same. The only exception I allow is the Halls of Pain, because Pindle.

Can anyone help me install PlugY, please?
Whenever I try to downgrade my game I just end up getting error messages when trying to run it.

>>6009348
I just installed last night. Did you uninstall the version you had on your computer?

>>6009353
Nope. I bought the game from Battle.net and tried to work with that. Is pirating the only way?

>>6009357
No, I installed last night on a legit copy.
Uninstall the D2 you have installed but first copy your save file over if you want to keep your character. Then install 1.12,it should be easy as fuck to find. It will ask you for your key when installing. Get that from battle net. patch that version to 1.13d. Once installed set compatibility mode for D2 exe and plugy exe to xp service pack 3 and select run as administrator for both. That should do it.

>>6009359

>>6009373
What version

>>6009375
I'm downgrading from 14d to 13c.

>>6009359
This is where the stupid questions come in.
How do you install 1.12 from the legit copy? It outright just installs 14d from the get go.

Don't download from battle net. There are plenty of archives all over the internet. Try googling it

>maggot lair

>>6009389
So, pirating.

>>6009392
It's not pirating if you own the game, retard.

>>6009393
Please don't call me retard.

>>6009394
It's all pretty simple and youll still need your legit battlenet key to install the game. Good luck

>>6009395
>>6009359
I don't know how you guys are using the license keys from Battle.net but I'm trying to install an older version of the game from https://nblog.org/pc-games/diablo-2-lord-of-destruction-usa-pc-iso/ and it asks me for the old format of keys.

>>6009434
https://forum.median-xl.com/viewtopic.php?t=4561
just do this except don't install the Median XL part
Use D2SE to choose the version of the game you want to play

>>6009434
Im most sure about that. I know you can use old CD keys to generate new style keys on battle net. That's what I did when I wanted to register my old CD copies.
Im not sure about going the other way though. Are you sure, did you try just using your current battle net issued key?

>>6009442
*I'm not sure *

>>6009442
Yeah, the one from my link askes me for the 16 digit key.
I mean sure I could just use the serial provided but I'd prefer to use the key I actually paid for.

>>6009439
Will try that, thanks.

>>6009447
So if you're trying to install from disc you need the original 16 digit key. If you no longer have the disc or the 16 digit key you can download all the classic clients off Blizzard's website and it will ask for the 24 digit key which is the same key you will have when you buy the game off their site.
If you have your old 16 digit keys and are trying to install the game from the download then you have to go on their site redeem your 16-digit key then go to your account subscriptions go down to Diablo 2 and copy the 24 digit key that it gives you.
I hope that is understandable and explained well good luck.

>>6009439
Thanks, now I'm running the right version of the game with plugy and glide using my key.
Is it normal to see the entire alphabet and numbers running at the top corner of the screen every time I load the game?

>>6008725
>>6008813
Well damn, never considered the item aspect since IIRC you can't natively move items between characters. Playing single player and have no mods/third party tools installed, and on 1.14d.

Fug. Kinda don't want to run a summonmancer since thats what I play in these types of games 99% of the time and its the only other character (way back) that I actually got to act 4. Oh well, may figure out something to run instead. And I used up my free respec in normal early on changing from cold to lightning. Whoops.

>>6009504
Yeah, that always happens when I don't open Diablo using D2SE.

>>6009515
That's the problem: I'm seeing that opening the game with D2SE with plugy checked.

>>6009524
ah wait it's because you're not running windowed mode.
Either way it's not a problem.

>>6009525
It still happens in windowed mode but whatever.
I'm sure the shading in the corner orbs is wrong tho unless I'm rembering wrong.

>>6009532
looks the same as mine

>>6008713
onlinefags just run bots to farm shit to trade for the items they need, then brag about how easy it is to gear up.

Why is PlugY showing as 10.00 instead of the latest version? This happens when I run the game with D2SE.

>>6009597
what feature from later versions do you want?

>>6009607
Everything I guess, there's no reason not to prefer the most up to date version.

>>6009513
Well man you shouldn't be too bummed out, when you are new to the game I know rolling a new char might seem exhausting, but nowadays I can run a fresh char to beating Hell Baal in 2 sittings, what I mean to say is game is pretty short once you know where to go for what quests etc.

>>6008813
Javazon works killer even with Javs from vendors.

Completely destroys anything up until Hell Chaos Sanctuary.

>>6009387
You don't. You find a 1.12 installer.

>>6009607
>>6009608
Oh I already fixed it. Now running D2 with D2SE shows 13.c, the actual version of PlugY and doesn't take a century to load.
I'm ready for some D2 now.

Wish me luck, I need Bul-Kathos Wedding Band.

>>6009747
Excellent.

>>6009762
>Only 4%
Vendor trash.

Is there any good necromancer builds that doesent focus on minions? I want a big boom build and just want to focus on corpse explosion and getting corpses by killing them with bone spirit or someshit

How do you avoid lag in D2 after a plugy install?

>>6009613
Yeah, I know. I regularly watch RyuQuezacotl so I've seen the game done fast, just that my game backlog is infinite and time is not.

Fuck it, I'll stare at some skill trees and see who else to start. Maybe I'll say fuck it and make a summoner, and actually make it properly this time since its been... possibly 18 years since I last played one in diablo 2 in any real amount.

I take it you guys use ATMA or gomule to move items to do this stuff? Still trying to go as vanilla as possible since I'll be playing with friends online in december after ladder reset.

>>5986746
From my memory, the reason D1 didn't become a mindless endgame loot grind is because of item dupes.
Everyone already had the elixers and Godly Plate of the Whale, etc. Fucking Staff of Apocalypse.
We didn't kill Diablo for loot at all. It was just fun to do.
>Fighting the Butcher when you character is too underleveled. Cheese him to get stuck onto the other side of a stairwell while trying not to shit yourself and then throw 100 arrows at him until he finally farts blood.

>>6009378
I dont think you can downgrade, you need to install a fresh 1.12 copy then update it to 1.3c.

You are playing hc solo self found all quests no save/quit no map rerolls right anon? You're not a faggot are you?

>>6010092
Playing lazy zealadin in D2 for the first time back in the day.
>act IV
>Iron Maiden
No thanks

I know they patched Iron Maiden out of the game at some point, but that whole experience soured me on HC games quite tremendously. I don't get too much enjoyment out of permadeath modes in games which you can burn endless hours on. It just hurts too much.
Got no problem with permadeath on rogue-likes of course because there's generally less time/effort investment.

>>6010073
Just started a summonmancer. No idea what order to level skills, but as soon as I went into stoney field I got a rare wand with +2 to summon skele & +1 to skeleton mastery. Good early thing to find.

>>6010103
I equipped Peace on my Zealot and I am basically guaranteed a valkyre summon on every monster thanks to my insane attack speed.

>>6010572
hahaha
That sounds fun but let's be honest. You pretty much wouldn't use Peace outside of Normal difficulty.

>>6010480
See:
>>6006975
and use that as a general rule of the thumb if you like.

>>6010073
Don't play a Summoner.

What is the best Amazon build for a noob. I want to use a bow and not a javelin if possible

>>6009378
>>6009387
Might be better off just pirating 1.13D. I believe the Path of Diablo subreddit (I know fucking Reddit but whatever) has a link to a download for it.

generic advice to noobs considering their first playthrough: the best build is the one where you don't look up builds. Pick the character you think looks the coolest, and then pick the skills you think sound and look the coolest. Do that until you plateau and can't advance further. THEN start a new character or respec into a proper build.

Also don't play summonmancer, that shit is boring

>>6011276
They don't know the skills. You have to play a skill to know if it feels good or not.

>>6011369
so? my 9 year old self didn't know the skills either. Not knowing the skills just means you have to try them out, it doesn't mean you have to follow a build. My first character was a double swing/leap attack barb who plateaued at lvl 52. Then I just started another one.

>>6011395
There is a big difference playing DII when it was the hottest RPG game on PC, and now. Now its more risky to take that approach. Better for a new player to try something tried and tested nowadays.

>>6010802
I love summoner characters though. Probably my favourite playstyle in games.

>>6010772
Thanks. I'll give it a look-over after work.

>>6011398
>risky
the only thing you're risking is your time. Besides, you can do basically anything with any class and still finish normal fairly easily. With plugY, you don't even have to start over, you can just respec whenever you want.

>>6011417
Well you risk starting on the wrong foot consequently and deciding to pass on one of the best games ever. Which you may or may not care about, depending on how big of a nerd you are.

>>6011430
like I said, until you literally decide to max warmth or find potion, you can do pretty much anything and finish normal without too many problems. But you might be right, I'm already sold on this being one of the goat, perhaps newcomers feel differently

>>6011438
>until
unless

>>6011438
Dude, you can finish normal, but its one thing to finish normal with a shit build that frustrated you all the time and decide to quit the game after, and completely another with a fun build that you want to take all the way through Hell, and even do some gearing after.

God I hate act 3.

>>6011493
Why

>>6011493
Act 1 > Act 5 > Act 4 > act 2 = act 3

Am I crazy or did installing plugy make my game look like ass?

>>6011493
>>6011504
Act 5's Bloody foothills on normal > act 1 > rest of act 5 > act 2 > act 3's Kurast area (minus the sewer) > act 4 > actual dogshit > rest of act 3

>>6011528
you're crazy

Does anyone have any recommended glide settings to play full screen on a crt?

Is there a mod that makes runes (even high runes) more common in diablo 2? I want to play again but I'm bored by the elemental builds and it would be fun to make some strong runewords.

>>6011776
Hero Editor.

>>6010480
1 point amp damage
1 point clay golem
For every 2 points into skeletons, 1 point into skele mastery.
then max skel mastery.
1 point summon resist
1 point golem mastery
1 point decrep
pump Corpse Explosion until range is about 9 or 10 feet
then do whatever.
maxxing points into clay golem is good, extra points into summon resist is nice also. revives are cool but only if you have a staff with teleport charges or Enigma runeword.
skeleton magi are shit.

1 point into Bone Armor and then max bone prison is also nice (Bone armor is stronger lvling up it's synergy than actually lvling the skill itself).

main thing with a summonmancer is make sure your merc's gear is good and that he's got the Might aura.
Get him a good polearm and some life leech as soon as you can. Get him into a Smoke or Treachery eth bugged armor and eventually get him an upped Eth Kelpie Snare or Obedience in a good eth base.

>>6011158
strafe
just keep in mind if something hits you while you're strafing your arrows will do no damage, so have your Valkarie and/or Merc tank everything for you.

>>6011504
Act 2 is my favorite act. I hate 3 the most. Well, the initial jungle part, from Lower Kurast onwards its fine.

>>6011776
Make your own mod. Increasing rune drop rates is ez pz, or even add in cube recipes to something like 3 pgems = 1 random rune of any grade

>>6011816
Those were about the skills I was thinking, just didnt know the order of skele/mastery skills to take. Didn't realize bone prison would be that useful, to be honest. Will probably level clay golem a bunch... is Fire Golem good at all or does it's fire damage make it useless in Hell?

>Get him into a Smoke or Treachery eth bugged armor and eventually get him an upped Eth Kelpie Snare or Obedience in a good eth base.
What's bugged armour?

>>6012012
Actually it's 3 points in raise skeleton for each point in skeleton mastery, but it doesn't really matter that much since you'll have both maxed by early NM.

Fire golem is shit, don't bother.

When you cube non-socketed eth armor to add sockets to it, it applies the eth def bonus again, so you end up with 225% normal defense, which is referred to as e-bugging.
It's frowned upon by some people (retards) as cheating, but the Prudence RW is the only way to make use of it for your main character, and caring whether someones merc has that extra defense is a sign of autism.

Anyway, the thing you really want on your merc is a source of crushing blow, so you don't have to farm urdars for every boss fight. Besides that you also need to give him leech and damage/attack speed so he can stay alive and generate corpses fast; and then there is stuff like resists and open wounds. Gearing up your merc can be a pretty big part of gearing a necro, but also quite a tricky one since you only get 3 slots to play with.

>>6012117
>When you cube non-socketed eth armor to add sockets to it, it applies the eth def bonus again, so you end up with 225% normal defense, which is referred to as e-bugging.
Oh shit that's hilarious.

How does loot in online work for D2? Do you just bicker over it in game? Also what's some general advice on how to not be a huge faggot online.

anyone got a place to download d2? I want to play with my friend but he's poor

>playan D2 online by myself
>somebody joins, gibs me a full set of Sigon's complete steel and leaves

which one of you did this?

>>6012746
meee

>>6011986
what file do I need to edit?

>>6012012
Fire golem sucks mostly because by the time you have enough points into him you're in Hell where nearly everything's immune to fire.
Iron Golem CAN be good, but it's mostly a rich-man's toy. He can also be used for a clutch source of Insight in case you want to use an Act 1 or Act 5 merc instead.

>>6012295
assuming russian bots and hackers dont just instantly teleport and steal your loot from you the moment Meph/Diablo/Baal hit the first frame of their death animation, it's usually down to "whoever clicks the ground fastest"

>>6012746
>online
>by yourself
why tho? fucking lag and not being able to keep good map seeds is such a handicap.
nice one on the Sigon's though, great noob set, great source of early resist/MF and overall gear that'll see you through to end of Nightmare most of the time.