/vr/ - Retro Games

Their STGs are fucking incredible.

They are ex-Konami employees.
They worked on games like the 8bit and 16bit looney toons/tiny toon/animaniacs games, Super castlevania IV; Axelay, and others.

Pretty much all of their titles have the gold touch, never was disappointed.
They're supposedly working on a WiiU (or maybe it was 3DS) secret project now.

*shake* *shake*

>>598161
sorry, what's STG?

>>598163
>They're supposedly working on a WiiU (or maybe it was 3DS) secret project now.

oh boy, either way I'd be hyped as fuck.

>based Radiant Silvergun

Astro Boy is alright

>>598164
that pic is golden.

>>598168
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_Silvergun

>>598172
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiant_Silvergun

thanks. I heard it's supposed to be pretty damn good.

>>598173

Alright? it's fucking incredible.
It's also not only a 10/10 action game but also an incredible rendition to all of the most famous Osamu Tezuka works... it's great how they reworked on the original Astro Boy story to make it merge with other Tezuka characters like Black Jack, Sharaku or the phoenix.
My favorite licensed game period.

>>598176
Also, STGs are those vertical shooting games. Treasure is well known in the shmup community for making great ones, such as Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga.

>>598148

Every Treasure game is good.

Sin & Punishment. Awesome game.

>>598194
I played Raiden. So I guess it's one of those, right? Might play Ikaruga next month.

>>598218
eh. I tried it. there might be an eng patch too but you don't really need one.

it's kinda okay I guess. very Starfox 64 like.

>>598170
>>598163

It's 3DS. Been a while with no word other than that though.

>>598164

>>598234
>>598218
Not retro, but play the Wii one.

>>598234
I guess I like it over most other Treasure games because I dislike Shmups, and S&P is a rail shooter.

So how is Light Crusader anyway?

I guess it was their only RPG so far.

>>598253
I'd love to try out the Wii one.

>>598253
The sequel? Or VC? I considered getting it, until I saw it had a crappy new MALE lead. Sin & Punishment without a female lead?

DO NOT WANT.

>>598265
There's a female lead.

>Mischief Makers

what the hell are "clancers" anyway?

>>598285
you can shake them and stuff.

no seriously I think they are references to japanese haniwa statues. they are living statues. but as the game progresses you realize that they are fucking retarded sometimes.

>>598302
>you can shake them and stuff.

or kill them by smashing their asses on the ground or on other clancerfags.

>>598261
I played only 5 minutes of it but it looks decent.
you can talk to a fuckton of npcs and do isometric dungeoncrawling. protag is rather likable but a bit generic.

>>598265
There's a female lead, and the plot twist related to her is awesome bro.

Get the god damned game, play it in easy mode if you have to just to see the story.

You won't regret it.

(Yeah, the normal and hard mode are kinda exaggerated, do them only for the challenge.)

The game is worthwhile for it's story even if it feels somewhat short.

Silhouette Mirage was great.

>>598363
Agreed, definitely one of my favorites.

>>598389
>>598363
Mein negroes
I liked the Working Designs version.

http://worldofstuart.excellentcontent.com/gh.htm

There's a theory that Gunners Heaven might have been developed by treasure but it's unknown.

Is someone able to read the credits and translate them in order to find out?

>>598194
Actually they are not, everyone knows these games are shit

>>598431

Indeed

Casuals overrate them to high heaven because they don't play like typical shmups

treasure make boss battle games

you never get games this like anymore

you hardly ever did back then either

>>598431
>>598437
you two are pretty cool for not liking stuff that's really popular please continue to tell us more about things you dont like

>>598459
I was just correcting a wrong assumption that another poster made :
>Treasure is well known in the shmup community for making great ones

>>598475
yep, no serious shmup players waste their time with shitty treasure games like RSG or Ikaruga

Gunstar Heroes is one of the best Genesis games of all time.

>>598265

...But isn't Saki a dude?

What did you guys think of bangai-o?

I was really disappointed

>>598437

>Radiant Silvergun

>Casual

No one believes you.

>>598508
It's not considered to be a hard shmup, sorry

>>598507

I've only played the DS one, and I thought it was prettMISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND SLOWDOWN AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES AND MISSILES.

>>598516

Fahny joke.

>>598519
It's hard for beginners, just like pretty much every shmup ever. That does not make it a hard shmup

>>598531

Radiant Silvergun is a hard game.

Are there harder games? Yes. Radiant Silvergun is still harder than most games.

>>598541
What's your point ?

>>598547

Radiant Silvergun ain't casual.

It's also harder than most shmups.

>>598552
Radiant Silvergun is a pretty easy shmup. Thinking it's "harder than most" proves how little you know on the subject. Which brings us to my initial point : people endlessly praising Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga don't know shit about shmups. They are therefore not qualified to proclaim it is a "good shmup", or "among the best".

>>598569
Well there's "hard" and there's "we have made this game insanely difficult because we only make this type of game for gamers that only play this type of game, all the time, in Japan."

Cave =/= Treasure.

>>598591
It's not limited to Cave and Treasure you know.

>>598569

No fuck you and your elitest mentality. "most shmups" doesn't mean "the most hardcore shmups" or "niche shmups" or "the shmups I play."

Just off the top of my head, games that are easier than Radiant Silvergun:

Gradius
Galaga
Ikaruga
Thunder Force 3
Raiden III
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil
Perfect Cherry Blossom
1942
Bangai-O Spirits
Metal Torrent
Android Assault
Castle Shikigami III
Geki-Oh

Made that list in like thirty seconds. It has games from all different systems, developers, styles, and popularity levels. And all of them are easier than Radiant Silvergun.

Radiant Silvergun is harder than most shmups. Stop the elitest bullshit.

>>598547
>>598541
>>598531
>>598519
>>598516
>>598508
>>598491
>>598475
>>598459
>>598552
>>598569
>>598591
>>598437
>>598431

what we have here is a troll post and thread derailment

>>598569
Um, that really depends on your goal.

I would agree Radiant Silvergun is an easy shooter if your goal is just to beat the game.

But if you really want to get an insanely high score, where you go for single color bonuses and combo strings to get the highest score possible, it is actually ridiculously hard.

Go on XBOX live, look at the top ranked score on the leaderboards, and download his replay. Tell me that's easy.

>>598612
>elitest

>>598617
But that's true for almost any shmup in existence.

>>598261

I fuckin' love Light Crusader. It's not really an RPG, though. At least, I wouldn't call it one.

Lots of great puzzles.

>>598621

Whoops, I can't speel todeigh.

I'm still right.

people always complain about radiant silvergun

is it jelousy? frustration?

no I think it's people who didnt play it with a saturn pad.

>>598234
I am glad I am not the only one who thinks Sin and Punishment is alright. People are hyping it as something truly awesome when it just feels solid. Maybe it is the fact that it is a Treasure game on a Nintendo console and it wasn't localized. I've had the game for many years now near the end of the N64's life cycle.

Actually I'd have to say both N64 titles I played just weren't as good as their previous Genesis titles. I mean I like them and think they are good, but they aren't amazing or must plays.

stgfags ruin another thread with their treasure hate bandwagon

fucking fags

http://www.siliconera.com/2012/10/31/sin-punishment-developer-treasure-working-on-nintendo-3ds-game/

woot

>>598161
Radiant Silvergun is horribly slow and boring. Ikarugu isn't much better. I like Treasure, but their STGs are their worst games.

>>598809

YEah well, you're ugly.

>>598809
go make a thread about the shmups you do like instead of ruining the only good board on 4chan

The STG stage in Gunstar Heroes sucked too.

FUCK SCHMUPS ! WHY HAVEN'T YOU TALKED ABOUT DYNAMITE HEDDAY AND GUNSTAR HEROES YET ????

>>598617
Yes, getting a high score is hard, but that doesn't change the scoring system from being one of the most utterly boring and rigid in the history of STGs.

While you're up there on those leaderboards, why don't you compare the high score replay to those below it? Notice much difference between them? No, you won't. When you play for score in Ikaruga and RS, you grind the same set path decided by the developers over and over again. Due to the nature of the scoring systems, the slightest deviation from the path will result in your score being completely worthless and your run ruined. It's to the point where the advice on scoring in those games is to watch superplays of it - which is fine - but then try and follow those superplays to the pixel, rather than use what you've learned from the superplay and combine it with your own knowledge and ideas.

STGd from superior (STG) developers will allow mistakes and a chance for you to improvise during a run (even the supposedly "memorisation-heavy" Cave games are better in this regard) and still come out with a massive score. I hate to parrot it but go play Mars Matrix.

Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga aren't bad games, they're just overrated. Decent when played for the 1cc, though personally I don't like Ikaruga. We can't forget that Treasure was also behind Silpheed: The Lost Planet.

That said:

Bangai-O is fucking incredible.
Gradius 5 is the anti Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga, to the point where I wonder how much of a hand they had in the design compared t G.Rev.
Mischief Makers was odd but fun.

I haven't played anything else from them. I need to get Gunstar Heroes so I can play it with me mates. I think they might have made some PS1 titles, I should try them.

>>598161
I don't really know much about Radiant Silvergun, but Ikaruga, while really easy to get into and complete, is insanely tedious to optimize and the game gives you little to no incentive to do so unlike, say, Mars Matrix where the process of optimizing is both naturally enticing (DEM GOLD CUBES) and allows for multiple approaches to optimizing any given situation.

I mean sure different strokes for different folks, but you have to be insanely bored and/or have lots of time to kill if you want to be able to go on that route Treasure wants you to go on perfectly and get a high score.

tl;dr massively overrated, good beginner SHMUP to get your feet wet, but really only a good gateway into some better ones if that

Treasure makes gems out of every other genre they make though, one of my personal faves being Astro Boy Omega Factor. Combat system is engaging as fuck, the sprites are GORGEOUS, and there's a ridiculous amount of content and fanservice: probably the most well handled adaptation of any license I've ever seen.

>>598979
This was everything I wanted to say about Treasure but far less convoluted. I just shouldn't keyboard.

i started liking treasure because of gunstar heroes and dynamite headdy (have vague memories of playing the latter at somebody's place when i was 7)

then i never really touched their stuff until i went on a spree recently. really, really liked mischief makers. alien soldier was way too obtuse and i didn't like how the player takes up half the screen. guardian heroes, silhouette mirage, not a big fan either. i didn't play light crusader because i don't like western-styled games. rakugaki showtime i haven't tried because lolnofriends. i couldn't get into bangai-o. never tried stretch panic and based on what i've heard, i don't really want to. star successor was okay.

their stgs are interesting. i just wish radiant silvergun wasn't such a memorizer, i really don't like that kind of game design. and i'm not good at remembering things.

hopefully that 3ds game will be a new ip. i'm tired of all the licensed stuff and sequels.

BE PRAYING
BE PRAYING
BE PRAYING

>>599015
i should also add, i really like their cinematic side of things. how each boss has personality. reminds me of suda's stuff, in a way. and they did a good job of incorporating an overarching story into radiant silvergun.

>>599030
> Sudo
was wonderingwhere I knew that name from, he made killer7. awesome

>>598507
Which version are you talking about? The Dreamcast one is among my favorite games ever made. I concider it nearly perfect.

However, the DS one is absolutely awful and the XBLA version was really, really disappointing.

>>599030
Silhouette Mirage makes me so sad. The Japanese version is fun as hell, but the US release was completely broken by Working Designs. Leave it up to those assholes to think they could imrpove on the gameplay in a Treasure game.

>>599219
>However, the DS one is absolutely awful
I only played the DS version. I played it for about 30 minutes then never touched it again. How much does the DC/N64 version differ from the DS version? I was expecting a lot from that game, but I was very disappointed.

>>599219
I only have the DS one and I like it, the controls were a bit hard to get used to but I found it pretty addictive.

>>599235

>improve on the gameplay in a treasure game

What? I haven't heard of this. What did those pricks do?

>>599029

EAT MY ASS
EAT MY ASS
EAT MY ASS

>>598979
>Astro mets Jetter Mars
>"Wow, you look just like me!!!"

I thought that was cute.

I feel like Treasure started to go downhill when they began making sequels. For a long time, one of the great things about them was that they never made sequels. Even though we sometimes wished there would be another Gunstar Heroes or or Bangai-O or the like, it was always made up for by each new game being really different and creative (hello Stetch Panic).

But somewhere along the line they decided to ditch that old policy, and it hasn't been serving them well. Every single sequel has been markedly worse than the original. Gunstar Superheroes, Guardian Heroes Advance and the Bangai-Os all just feel shat out and nowhere near the same quality. Meanwhile AstroBoy GBA comes out and is one of the best games the system ever got. Go figure.

This thread's getting a little too /v/-like for my tastes

>>599308
I think the golden age of /vr/ is over and it's going to become utter shit from now on thanks to these guys

>>599320
I think it's /v/ coming to /vr/, except this crop of /v/irgins won't stop the /v/-like behavior.

>>599298
I don't find that surprising, whatever franchise they touch turns to gold.

>>599338
What do you define as /v/-like behavior other than "people that call me out when i talk out of my ass"

>>598809
I keep hearing that treasure's shmups are all casual but they're the games treasure is probably most famous for. I like Ikaruga but I have to admit I'm not a shmup fan.

I can say that Sin and Punishment is the best rail shooter I've ever played.

>>599341
>My tastes > your tastes
>Arguing like a 15 year old
>Industry hatebonering
>Whining about stupid shit
>Acting like one bad game ruins a whole franchise
>Acting like a good game who had a better predecessor is a bad game like so: >>599298

>>599354
I wish this game had more artwork.

>>599273
If you haven't played it, Silhouette Mirage is sort of like a sidescrolling action game version of Ikuraga. You are a dual element (Silhouette/Mirage) and when you attack someone of the same element you suck their power out, when you are the oposing element you damage and kill them. You can also grab them and punch to get coins that you use to buy weapon upgrades etc.

So, in the original game it's a typically fast paced action game similar to Gunstar Heroes. You run through, smashing and bashing, collect a bit of energy on one guy, use it to blast another, grab a thrid guy and smash some coins out before tossing him aside and continuing.

Well, Vic Ireland being the smart guy he is thought that was too easy. So he upped the damage reistance on all the enemies as well as increasing the cost and frequency with which you have to buy weapon upgrades.

The result is that instead of a run 'n gun style action game, you essentially had to enegry suck and cash bash every single enemy before killing them and moving on. If you didn't you would quickly run out of energy and not be able to afford the upgrades which are highly important. It's a tedious, iritating mess of a game.

>>599360
I can sum this up as : anyone who disagrees with me on any subject matter and voices his opinion

>>599374
It's okay to have an opinon, just don't voice it like an angry retard.

>>599384
Agreed. You should take your own advice.

>>599386
If I sounded angry, I really wasn't and I apologize.

>>599360
I never said one bad game ruins a franchise. What the fuck?

Guardian Heroes is still an excellent game, even if GHA is a piece of shit. If you like GHA (or whatever) more than the original and I stepped on your pride saying I think it's a crappy sequel, then sorry or whatever but I'm not going to hold back my opinion.

>>599354
The only game I ever imported

>>599401
Heh, I remember when importing was a bit of a big thing back then.
>Dem EGM ads
>Dem DBZ wallscrolls

>>599401
You have fine taste, anon. Fine taste.

>>599341

provocative posting, i.e. an unprovoked "YOUR FAVORITE GAME IS SHIT.

I think we'd benefit to remember not to respond to posts like that, even if they're genuine.

>>599354
second gaem is better in every way though...

>>599442
Who cares if some guy thinks your favorite is shit though ? People who feel genuinely offended by shit like this are just as bad as the provocative posters

Gunstar Heroes is one of the tightest, most engaging and exciting action games ever made. There's always something new going on. It's genius. Too bad "Gunstar Super Heroes" was such a huge letdown.

>>599476
I thought it was good as an homage, though not as good as the original.

>>599471
>People that want civil discussion are in the wrong
What?

>>599476
But I liked both

>>599496
Where did I say this ? You're deforming what I'm saying to make a case. Nice try, provocative poster.

>>599496
That's not what he was saying at all. No one is against civil discussion. All he's saying is that the people who throw a fit every time someone says they don't like game X are just as bad as the ones who go around spewing that everything they don't personally like is garbage. They're two sides of the same problem.

It's not people discussing their likes and dislikes that's the issue, it's people getting all angry and bitchy over it.

>>599532
*some days

>>599471
Somed ays you just want to talk about vidya without someone being a raging shithead.

>>599535
Maybe people shouldn't say "YOU'RE GAME IS SHIT, YOU HAVE BAD TASTE" and should say "I personally don't like this game because ___" but in a non-antagonizing manner.

>>599547
People shouldn't have to talk to you with deference if they want civil discussion. And saying "I personally don't..." or "in my opinion..." is completely redundant anyway, we know it's his opinion.

>>599547
or they could >>598828

but honestly I think this thread is a landmark for the end of /vr/

>>599547
Precisely, but by the same token when someone does that it's always best just to ignore them (hence, 'don't feed the trolls') because when you get all pissy and throw a tanrum because someone trolled you it just makes everything worse.

The best way to deal with a troll is to not say anything, or if you absolutely must just be brief and dismissive. A 'that's nice' or 'cool starry bra' are sufficient to let them know you got the point but don't care enough about it to say anything meaningful in return. Generally though, just ignore. If someone wants to yell "IKARUGA IS FOR BABIES" just let them, who really cares?

>>599612
You guys are so overdramatic.
It's like I'm on /m/.

>>599372
They did the same thing to Popful Mail, didn't they? The combat in the version we got is the pits.

>>599635
It's funny because /vr/ has always been "/v/ with less posts and no offtopic" since day one

>>599652
>>599635
>>599631
>>599565
>>599563
>>599547
>>599536
>>599535
>>599532
>>599529
>>599496
Not seeing much discussion about treasure games now...

Which version of Bangai-O is your guys favorite? I've only played DC.

>>599476

It's a good game, just not as great as the first.

I like all Treasure games. I just don't have a favorite.

>>598696
you're right. the import stuff adds to the mystique of the game a lot.

>>598625
thanks. I'll try playing this. I was kinda hoping for nice puzzles.

What do you guys think of that Yu Yu Hakusho fighting game they made?

>>598979
Christ almighty, this game is a beast on hard mode.

>>600185
I've beat it on hard mode, but I haven't beat the "second story" yet.