/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5976284
It had nice hardware and a sexy case. That's about it.

>>5976284
bonkers power for the time period, nearly on par with arcades, and it was much more japan-focused than IBM-compatibles at the time. game developers loved it because it was easy to code for, using an ubiquitous Motorola 68000 (thus where the name came from).

amiga with anime instead of furfags

They were never marketed outside of Japan and most literature about them was in Japanese so stupid foreigners ended up mystifying them with bullshit like Capcom using them for development.

I'm pretty sure a PC that could play near perfect Capcom and Konami arcade ports at a time when the PC was just warming up to the idea of having more than 16 colours to work with and 30 fps becoming a distant possibility is enough to make you wonder what things would be like if the IBM PC had actually had some graphics capability as standard. The Amiga is a similar beast in that it was capable of much that the PC would take 5 more years to get, but as it was blitter based, easy arcade ports were not possible so most were gimped, low frame rate Data East crapware.

>>5976284
Compared Sharp home gaming to Amiga is given disservice.

>>5976284
PC Engine/Mega Drive & X68000 is what to Wii/XB360 & modern PC platform.

>>5977112
Too late I saw your mistake>>5977104 and you are forever disgraced.

>>5976508
Compared Sharp home gaming to Amiga is given disservice.

>>5977140
Dang it!

>>5976296
>nearly on par with arcades
More powerful. Street Fighter 2 was developed on it, as was a number of other CPS1 games. Thing was a monster.

>>5977152
>Street Fighter 2 was developed on it, as was a number of other CPS1 games.
Stop parroting that bullshit.

>>5976284

The power of weebs. Also the part where it looks like it's from the future

>>5976508
>I'm pretty sure a PC that could play near perfect Capcom and Konami arcade ports at a time when the PC was just warming up to the idea of having more than 16 colours to work with and 30 fps becoming a distant possibility is enough to make you wonder what things would be like if the IBM PC had actually had some graphics capability as standard. The Amiga is a similar beast in that it was capable of much that the PC would take 5 more years to get, but as it was blitter based, easy arcade ports were not possible so most were gimped, low frame rate Data East crapware.

the Sharp X68000 was used as a development system for many arcade games. Capcom used the X68000 to develop the original arcade version of Final Fight, for example. Which is why the X68000 is so close to perfect.

>>5977301
Citation needed.

>>5977318
>citation
Are u having braindead tumor

>>5976284
what's not to like really

>>5977318
granted

>>5977318
neo geo sprite development on an x68000 pro

the sharp x68000 was the culmination of more than a decade of research and development into personal computers for artists and creators, it was designed to be a no frills, no compromise workstation in the height of japans bubble economy. no expenses were spared in creating a computer chock full of custom VLSI circuitry that cost millions to develop.

check out the specs on this thing, in 1987.

Graphics
Color palette: 65,536[1] (16-bit RGB high color depth)[5]
Maximum colors on screen: 65,536 (in 512×512 resolution)
Screen resolutions (all out of 65,536 color palette)[4][5]
256×240 pixels @ 16 to 65,536 colors
256×256 pixels @ 16 to 65,536 colors
512×240 pixels @ 16 to 65,536 colors
512×256 pixels @ 16 to 65,536 colors
512×512 pixels @ 16 to 65,536 colors
640×480 pixels @ 16 to 64 colors
768×512 pixels @ 16 to 64 colors
1024×1024 pixels @ 16 to 64 colors
Graphics hardware: Hardware scrolling, priority control, super-impose, dual tilemap background layers,[4] sprite flipping[5]
Graphical planes: 1-4 bitmap planes, 1-2 tilemap planes, 1 sprite plane[5][6]
Bitmap planes[1][5]
1 layer: 512×512 resolution @ 65,536 colors on screen, or 1024×1024 resolution @ 64 colors on screen (out of 65,536 color palette)
2 layers: 512×512 resolution @ 256 colors on screen per layer (512 colors combined) (out of 65,536 color palette)
4 layers: 512×512 resolution @ 16 colors on screen per layer (64 colors combined) (out of 65,536 color palette)
BG tilemap planes[5][6]
BG plane resolutions: 256×256 (2 layers) or 512×512 (1 layer)
BG chip/tile size: 8×8 or 16×16
Colors per BG layer: 256 (out of 65,536 color palette)
BG colors on screen: 256 (1 layer) or 512 (2 layers), out of 65,536 color palette
BG tiles on screen: 512 (16×16 tiles in 256×256 layers) to 4096 (8×8 tiles in 512×512 layer)
Sprite plane[1][5][6]
Sprite count: 128 sprites on screen, 32 sprites per scanline, 256 sprite patterns in VRAM (can be multiplied up to 512 sprites on screen with scanline raster interrupt method[7])
Sprite size: 16×16
Colors per sprite: 16 colors per palette, selectable from 16 palettes (out of 65,536 color palette)
Sprite colors on screen: 256 (out of 65,536 color palette)
Sprite tile size: 8×8 or 16×16
Sprite tile count: 128 (16×16) to 512 (8×8) on screen, 256 (16×16) to 1024 (8×8) in VRAM

The other neat thing that the sharp x68000 had going for it was developer support. a computer is only as good as the software that runs on it. and all of the major players had something for the sharp, capcom and konami released several AAA titles for it.

>>5977686
>>5977693
It is pretty amazing that a game like version of Castlevania it had could be played on a home system at the time. Bear in mind, it was a $6600 machine(369,000 yen in 1987). Very costly, obviously not just for playan gaems. The games were additional perks for the programmer lads who owned/used them.

Also, for more interest:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W40qGkp-mEU
80s/90s chip porn is a lost art.

one of the really interesting things about the x68000 scene was the massive amount of 'doujin' hardware and software that was available for it, even to this day hobbyists are releasing new homebrew games and hardware for it.

>>5977707
playing akumajou dracula on a real computer is what got me started, now here I am several thousands of dollars later.... no regrets.

>>5977707
here's a tip for anyone looking to get into the sharp x68000 on a budget. the original cz-600c model suffers from the nicd battery leaking on the 69mhz oscillator, which in turn kills the 31khz video mode that it boots into. the result is a black screen and no functionality. the oscillator is readily available on digikey. so what i'm saying is that if you buy a 'junk' cz-600c and put a $12 crystal oscillator in it, you can flip it for ten times what you paid. the best part is the power supplies in the ORIGINAL cz-600c model are rock solid reliable.

>>5977743
i must have repaired and sold at least a dozen of this particular model, all to happy customers. the digikey part number is CPPT1-HT0PT-ND.

forgot to mention that dempa micomsoft ported a shitload of arcade perfect titles to it from sega, namco, taito etc.they even designed an analog flight stick for space harrier, the sharp cyber stick.

>>5977761
here's a shot of my cyberstick

>>5977769

here's the best deal i ever found in the wild, an XVI model for $220. you couldn't buy one of these today for less than $2000.

It had a lot of shmups.

If you like shmups, that makes it special.

If you don't like shmups, it's not special.

>>5977781
i think a more accurate statement would be that it had a lot of arcade ports, which at the time were cool but today don't make sense. but shmups were where it shined in the homebrew community, ala chorensha 68k

>>5977793
>chorensha 68k
The Windows version is better anyway.

Anyway, I'm still waiting for someone to name a good game for this thing that isn't a shmup, an arcade port, or a PC-98 port.

And now we have graphics cards with SLI controllers with more might than this thing.
Yet they're practically worthless. It's not like there's any decent games that can take advantage of it these days.
I'd say one of these is a better investment than a top-tier modern GPU, as long as it has the equipment with it and some games.

also it's a fantastic way to experiment with MIDI modules and FM synthesis

>>5977804
>>5977808
why enjoy anything amirite? it's a 30 year old computer from the famicom/nes era. why ever play a famicom game again, they all suck right? faggot retard

>>5977816
what good is reading comprehension amirite?

>>5977673
Robo Kid is overrated, its sloppy and unfocused in the same way europlatformers are

>>5977827
I would argue that you are over rated. just because you can't afford something and will NEVER own it doesn't mean you should shit all over it out of jealousy. anyway it's just an old computer that nobody owns, no need to be so distraught about it.

>>5977839

>>5977842

>>5977845
homebrew ram card, hand wired

you could actually use all the expensive midi hardware you just bought

>>5977845
Are you Japanese/other?

>>5977847

>>5977851
sure

>>5977757
PS1 arranges mode all ways

>>5977732
Fook Sega 16 pile of turd

>>5977854
>>5977859
this is an english language board you illiterate clown

>>5977845
That's about $360, right? That's a steal.

>>5977816
I just think it's sad. We have GPUs that can demolish computer graphics, and what can you play on them? Mostly FPS games. It's like, at that point you're better off just buying a gun and shooting IRL than playing "Quake Reskin #8352".
It's nice to look at a monster system from the past and see that its power went to some actual good gaming, not just wasted on normie tripe like Fortnite.

>>5977853

>>5977868
good deals can still be found, not many left though.

>>5977868
Instead of mostly FPS games, it's mostly shmups. Not really an improvement.

>>5977849
sure, there are at least 5 vintage midi boards and two modern ones. I believe you can buy a brand new FPGA midi card for about $80

>>5977876

>>5977879
here's a (vintage) complete midi synthesizer on an internal board

>>5977882

>>5977875
Of course it is. Most of us can never be jet pilots, much less fly into space and shoot aliums.
But anyone with some cash can buy a gun and go shoot it, and from experience, shooting a real gun beats fucking around in most FPS games hands down. The smell of powder and sound and kick all give a great rush.

Anyway, the point is that the X68000 and others like it represent a fascinating look from a lost era. A time when your pooter didn't phone home or have NSA/Chinese backdoors installed.

>>5977885
well this was fun but i'm out of pics

>>5977887
it's pretty based and the community is great, even today people go nuts for the x68000

>>5977892
they can't keep these in stock for instance, always sold out. it's a little plastic model that is a raspi case.

>>5977892
>eckshvai

wut

>>5977896

>>5977808
These kinds of posts are totally gay because we have retro games coming out in droves right now on the switch.
BUT YOU DON'T WANNA PLAY GAMES YOU JUST WANNA WHINE LIKE A BITCH

>>5977932
idk it took me a minute to realize what he was trying to say, something about using the full capability of the hardware or something. idk. but vintage games have a certain something that is rare now. like space invaders for instance, you can play it 1000 ways, but something about firing up a sharp mz-80b and loading it from tape can't be replicated.

>>5977943
what y'all know about this shit right here lol

>>5977932
The Switch is made by Foxconn and is a glorified Nvidia Shield. It's a piece of shit and I guarantee that 99.999% of the damn things will be dead in 30 years.
Thus, I would never buy one. Aren't all of those games on Steam? That's where to play them if you can, or some other PC service. And I'll bet even an old G80 GPU can run them, no sweat.

>>5977952
Poor excuses, none of that matters for gameplay.
YOU KNOW WHAT THAT IS? THE THING GAMES ARE ABOUT

>>5977952
And even a graphic calculator is too overpowered for the obsolete space invaders clones you fake bitches pretend to enjoy.

>>5977956
Nah, a machine has to have style and quality. That's why the Super Famicom and Euro SNESshits on the US SNES. It has the style edge.

why do all X68000 threads always spiral out of control?

>>5977960
I don't see why you need MOAR POWAR MOAR GRAPHX to run archaic run and shooty Contra garbage you pretend to like. Fuck even MY 486 Celeron could run THAT.

>>5977962
Because it's not a very interesting machine. A couple inferior shooters, pointless arcade ports that are better on MAME and that Castlevania remake. Slash thread.

>>5977962
Same reason every thread turns to shit instead of the CRT and Doom one.
People try to discuss a topic and idiots come in and reply the usual "lol NO YOU DON'T IDORT"

>>5977975
Sound like your dumbass is often wrong and we have to correct some morals into your vaginal tract.

>>5977962
europeans butthurt from the last amiga thread

>>5977970
Mamefag

>>5977993
How will I ever recover form enjoying superior versions of the same X68k games FOR FREE and WITHOUT LOADING TIMES.

>>5977952
Pissc

>>5977997
Emulation is not and will NEVER EVER be the real thing. Cope more poorcuck.

>>5977892
After Twin Famicom/other product, Nintendo of NA/AU/EU can bring export X68000 for their home computer while destroying other utter loser like Atari and Commodore.

>>5977865
Don’t care. Bird brain.

>>5977676
What are we supposed to see here?
Nothing in that picture looks like a Sharp.

Did this thing have an equivalent to the Video Toaster? Sharp made the Famicom Titler which was alright for hobbyists, but this thing looks good enough for prime time TV editing.

>>5978037
maybe you should google 'x68000 pro' asshat

>>5978065
it had RGB video overlay hardware built in, an expansion allowed composite video in and out for video processing

>>5978593
Can you explain how that looks like a x68000 pro beyond being a black desktop with two floppy drives?

>>5977156
>stop parroting that bullshit
Found the Amiga superfag. Literally pictures of home consumer spec X68000 used as Neo Geo dev kit under your post. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAA! You're so fucking stupid.

>>5978720
I'm not seeing it. Nor did I know that the CPS and the Neo Geo were the same thing.
Try providing some actual Japanese sources.

>>5978037
>>5978625
Keep on moving those goalposts.

>>>/qst/3896171

>>5978734
Okay lazy boi. There’s YM2151 use in X86k board.

>>5978793
It was also used in the X1 TurboZ and various arcade games before the X68000 was even released.
Maybe Marble Madness was developed on the X68000.

>>5976508
>The Amiga is a similar beast
Fuck no it wasn't.

>>5978802
I have an X1 type G with the FM board, it's pretty underutilized though. there are only a few games that even support FM though it does have a nice markup language if you want to make your own music.

>>5979409
vintage japanese 'pasokon' is my fetish

>>5979409
this is now a japanese computer thread

>>5979417
PC-98DO (dual operation) has both PC-98 and PC-88 hardware allowing it to run both DOS and CP/M operating systems, has 2HD drives for high density games. a really neat pc.

>>5979420
PC-8801MC, the last PC88 model, had support for a pc-engine style cd-rom drive. the NEC PC-FX was obviously inspired by it.

>>5979421
sharp MZ-80k, very early sharp machine obviously inspired by the commodore PET but vastly improved upon, was a so called 'clean computer' in that no software resided in ROM, everything including the bootloader had to be loaded from tape.

>>5979423
fujitsu FM-7, an interesting dual 6809 machine similar to the tandy coco, though not compatible. has an AY-3-8910 PSG onboard, some decent games were released for it.

>>5979428
here's a sharp mz-700, at the time this was a budget home computer, but that worked to it's advantage. it was also released in europe so there is a lot of software support. the later mz-1500 was backwards compatible.

>>5979428
the 8801mkIIsr was the first of the business oriented pc88 line to branch out, focusing on graphics and sound. it has the V2 video mode and FM hardware built in.

>>5979442
here's a neat one, the sega sc-3000. it barely qualifies as a computer with only 2kb of ram. it's basically an sg-1000 with a keyboard. it will not boot without a cart inserted.

>>5979450
here's a fujitsu fm towns II, it's a flaming pile of crap lol.

Consoleniggers should be shot.

>>5979454
did you know that doom was released for the PC98? it even had a completely different soundtrack made for the FM synthesizer in the pc98 known as 86 sound. it's basically fart noises.

>>5979459
here's a sega teradrive, one of the worst computers you could buy when it was released. inexplicably it had a 286 processor in 1992. laughably out of date.

>>5979459
here's doom 2 for the pc98 on 3.5" disk, these are hella rare now and basically lost because japanese people refuse to pirate software.

>>5979462
this is a pc88va2, it introduced a semi ibm pc compatibility layer and 16 bit cpu to the 88 line. the pc compatible dos was made by hudson and called, is hit you not, 'PC-Engine'

>>5979473
here's what the NEC PC-Engine looked like before it was ever a games console.

>>5979474
pc9801ux with SASI hard drive, this was about $10,000 when it was new.

>>5977679
This makes me laugh when thinking about that Fatal Fury port to the system. I don't remember which Fatal Fury it was, however...

>>5979481
here's a shitload of old pasokon in the tokyo radio department store, I bought my 9801RA here for about $20

>>5979484
ok last one, my pc9821cs2. one of the few models that will play the original version of policenauts for the 98. a real piece of history, very hard to find one with a working cd-rom drive now.

>>5979495
will you ever get a chance to play policenauts as kojima intended? why even live.

>>5979501
mfw people shit on the x68000, it's ok yuropoors we get it.

>>5979462
you see this demo? seems pretty neat
https://youtu.be/HKIDtw8040M?t=62

>>5979535
pretty neat anon, here is koshiro yuzo demonstrating his pc88, he still uses one to this day to compose FM music.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1189196458936823808

>>5979495
>one of the few models that will play the original version of policenauts for the 98
The fuck are you talking about? Basically any 9821 will run Policenauts.

>>5979560
>15 models will run it, some require an 86 board
>112 different pc9821 models were made between 1992 and 2003

what I like about 4chan is that retards can pretend to be smart, hey at least you tried champ.

>>5979573
If you actually knew anything about the PC-98, you would have realized that they just listed all of the PC-9821 models that existed at the time the game was released. You can play it on anything as long as you have an 86-compatible sound card. It doesn't do anything special.

>>5979583
hey look the retard is doubling down, try running it on anything faster than a 486. and maybe post your results ITT. except you can't.

>>5979596
>picture proving you don't know how to use DOS
>still pretending to know shit
Alright kid.

>>5979596
You know the Af and Bf have Pentiums, right? Here's a video of it running on a 200 MHz Xa9:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euzY-A_PqyA

>>5979467
>pirates software
Basically fake trash

>>5979643
iirc it's an issue with the neccd.sys driver not working with later drives, also the later models stopped using discrete 86 sound with a real OPNA and instead use a consolidated 86 compatible chip that does not work with the PCM mode that policenauts uses. some later models may run it with a modified boot disk but it varies from one model to another.

it never fails whenever the pc98 is mentioned there is always that one super autistic weirdo that comes out of the woodwork, AKSCHUALLLLYY

>>5979731
something about hentai or touhou games attract the weirdest type of autismos, imagine meeting these guys IRL

>>5979732
8801mkII

>>5979736
MSX 2

>>5979738
wow such rare very pc98

>>5979740
this one i really regret not buying, the price wasn't that great and the power cord was cut. but check out that a e s t h e t i c

>>5979748
8801mkII, check out that price.

>>5979750
woops that's ACKSHUALLY an 8001mkII, anyway heres a 9801cv, it has a color screen but only an nec v30 cpu.

>>5979750
I was trying to figure out if it said 税込 or 税別 when I realized it said +TAX.

>>5979751
the 8801mkII worked after cleaning the drive heads, pretty neat machine even without v2 mode

>>5979752
$50 bucks is a steal for the 8001mkII, wish I could find something like that today

>>5979754
did you know the epson pc98 laptops had built in fm audio? this one has a TFT screen, a $1200 option when it was new

>>5979762
the cpu is on a daughter board and upgrades to pentium are possible, this one is a dx2 50mhz

>>5979763
also dual floppy drives and a 10mhz cpu mode give it excellent compatibility

>>5979765
there is a bus connector on the back and a joystick adapter was sold, good luck finding one today.

>>5976284
Literally what the games were made with.

>>5979765
How big is the HDD and how terrible is the screen?

>>5979767
Dat Castlevania clone that can be SNES/PCE homebrew

>>5979505
Actually, no. Back in the day, we had something just as good. Very few knew of the existence of the X68000 or the PC98, but the FM Towns got a shit load of press coverage. I even knew someone who owned one.

>>5978720
>Found the Amiga superfag.
Why would you insult Amiga fags when it comes to hardware, when in the end, Amiga ended their models with better specs machines. X68000 was only ever better for a couple months before the sequential new Amiga models beat it, then it all repeated again.

>>5980693
>better specs machine
32CD provides nothing like Amiga junk.

>>5976284
special specs but not a special library
it doesn't have nearly as many games as you'd hope
>but capcom used it a a dev station!!
you literally just have strider, ghouls n ghosts, final fight, and two versions of street fighter ii (one of which was so poorly optimized it doesn't even run on a base x68000)

>>5981667
the magic is in the doujin library. 99% of the games released commercially were arcade ports.

>>5981696
>poojin
i'll pass

This thread makes me want to break into Japanese computing. I would love to get one of those MSX2+ all-in-ones like these:
>>5979732
>>5979738

>>5976284
It had the best Castlevania soundtrack to date and that's all that matters.
And the Bosconian soundtrack is pretty fucking awesome, too.

>>5981941
>best CV OST
>not Haunted Castle

>>5977754
thanks for info bro. will come in handy.

>>5977693
>specs
>1987

Jesus, that IS bonkers. 2 years before the 486.
That was a fucking serious business machine.