/vr/ - Retro Games

That will be 500$ thank you.

I won't make sense if the aspect ratio isn't good, I don't want weird looking pixels.

No Turboexpress capability? Meh. Might be neat to play my Lynx stuff on though.

Having adapters for all other handhelds makes it pretty attractive, not gonna lie.

It might dethrone the GBA SP as the best way to play GB/GBC games, depending it's quality.

>>5951758
Will have to wait on the details but looks really good. FPGA clones are the only viable future for true hardware preservation, so I'm glad to see shit like this is getting made.

>>5951758
What kind of autism is needing the original cart but you don't care about the original hardware running it?

>>5951758
>Analogue Pocket
>it's a digital device
What did they mean by this?

>>5951834
Early handhelds had pretty shitty displays. Unlike CRT nostalgia who is nostalgic for early super motion blurry and/or unlit LCD screens?

>>5951846
Literally just emulate then

>>5951834
This. If you want backlight screen and video options there are plenty of superior yet cheaper options like a modded Vita or 3DS. Paying for real carts to play on a meme emulator is the ultimate cuckoldry, all the disadvantages of the original hardware but none of the good stuff.

It does advance, right?

>>5951758
Got the email set up to notify me, I've been wanting a back lit GBC solution that doesn't involve frankensteining old GBA parts to GBC's
Looks great

Just get a raspberry pi

>>5951865
Seems to. I want it for Color Advance and Game Gear. We've had backlit GB solutions for years now, its the rest that makes it appealing.
Analogue puts out pretty vanity tier stuff but I'll go in on this because of the simplicity

Getting one for sure.

I'm assuming they'll be a jailbreak soon after, so I'm certainly in.

>>5951792
>I won't make sense if the aspect ratio isn't good, I don't want weird looking pixels.
Yeah, what's the resolution? The best thing about playing old handheld games on actual handhelds like the 3DS is that you can play them at native resolution and they look awesome. If this is a 720p screen or some shit I don't want that.

Thoughts: it’s for faggots.

gbc with perfect 10x scaling and hdmi out for $200, count me in
also, this kills the gba consolizer

>>5951923
1600x1440

When it gets jailbroken and add other cores, then this will be more appealing than the chinese consoles and shit.

>>5951934
And into the trash it goes.

>MOM DID YOU REMEMBER TO PICK UP MY SÖY

>>5951938
Game Boy and GBC are both 160x144 resolution, what's the problem?

I'm perfectly happy with my original GameBoy for original GameBoy games and my Color for GameBoy Color games.

Piques my interest honestly. Only 200

>>5951758
>case only comes in white or black

It's not fun!

>>5951758
They need to stop jerking around with all this common-as-fuck and easily-emulatable shit and do something worthwhile. For example, an FPGA N64 would actually be interesting because N64 emulation is far from perfect and you could have it do stuff like rendering games accurately but with superior and stable framerates.

>>5951758

>For musicians, an onboard digital audio workstation called Nanoloop comes pre-loaded with a quirky synthesiser and sequencer. Fittingly, budding developers can also utilise the portable hardware to develop their own concepts.

Sounds real fuckin' neato

>>5952034
Kevin Horton, the engineer, has already said N64 isn't happening. The system is either too complex for him or currrently affordable FPGAs or not documented enough to get an accurate recreation.

>>5952049
But it'll sound thin and clean, part of the GB chiptune sound was the dirty and bass-heavy DACs

I would be interested only if it has a save solution. I don't want to be replacing save batteries in the carts, if I still have to then I might as well just emulate.

>>5952057
But that's my whole point. FPGA tech would only actually be helpful on systems where it's complicated and hard to emulate in the first place. FPGA meme machines for things like NES and Genesis is utterly pointless.

>It plays neo geo pocket color
>Finally something with a backlight I can play NGPC games on
>But it doesn't have the Clicky Stick that makes the NGPC so good
>Will tear your fucking thumb apart if you even TRY to do fireball motions
What is the fucking POINT? Which of you fuckers wished on a fucking monkey's paw for this?

>>5952034
FPGAs aren’t nearly at that level yet. They can’t even get SNES and Genesis right yet, we’re many years away from an FPGA N64, PSX or Saturn

>>5951975
GBA also fits the screen with a perfect 9x scale.

>>5952062
>FPGA meme machines for things like NES and Genesis is utterly pointless.
THIS
especially since they're still (moderately) common, cheap, and extremely reliable when cared for
and nothing sounds as good as a real YM2612

>>5952074
Exactly, that too. I could understand an FPGA for a rare console, like having something as an alternative to buying/restoring a functional Turbo Duo, or an alternative to a Neo Geo. But you can find NESes, Geneses, and SNESes everywhere. What's the point? Why are you paying hundreds of dollars for some bourgeois tech bullshit?

>>5952074
I mean they have to develop on them more anon. They can’t just start at Saturn and n64 out of the gate

>>5952081
Bingo
>>5952083
I mean that's not how that works the older consoles are irrelevant they are all completely different architectures there is no building upon each other or reusing routines except when talking about off the shelf ICs like the 68000.
What complicates the situation more is for consoles that use proprietary ICs and lack proper documentation. We will probably never have a Saturn one without absolutely extensive reverse engineering.

>>5952081
That plus $80 for their converter box if you want to play on a monitor without HDMI.

>>5951935
If it's going to play other handhelds from cartridge it already has the cores.

>>5951927
Is it going to have controller support?

The Game Boy is a legendarily sturdy piece of technology. Even in this promo mock-up this looks cheap. Pass.

>>5951975
It would look better if it was a low resolution screen, why do you think those GB dot matrix filters are so popular for emulators? The games don't look the same scaled up with super sharp and clean pixels.

>>5952095
By other cores I meant other consoles entirely, if that's even possible.

>>5951927
>this kills the GBA consolizer

Forgot about that. Wanted to get one. At $200, this thing kills a lot of things for me. No more BoxyPixel alu GB and GBC, no more hunting down a Lynx II. I still want to get another NGPC because I liked the stick, but I'll probably use this as my main NGPC. I also have my old Game Gear, but the screen is so washed out compared to today's standards.

I have a back-lit AGB, so maybe I'll still get an alu shell for that.

>>5952095
USB controller ports are on the dock.

>>5951865
HOW? They were talking about the NEO GEO being almost impossible just recently & now the GBA on an FPGA level is A-OK? How much more difficult to program would a GBA core be than a super nintendo?

>>5951758
Just get yourself a GBA SP, they're not that hard to come by nor that expensive.
Not only you have full backwards compatibility with GB and GBC games, but it also has a chargable battery, is very pocketable, and has better build quality than this FPGA memery, not to mention having the (non /vr/) GBA library at your disposal.
>What about the extra emulation features?
If you're that desperate for portable emulation, there are far better alternatives like the PSP (Go's model is the best due to its compact design and built-in 16GB of memory), the 3DS, the Vita, and the Switch despite its current state (like the trouble of finding compatible models to mod it, and how emulation on that thing still needs some progress).

FPGA is a meme just emulate with a retropi for the same quality

>>5952098
I'm sure it has the same basic architecture as all Analogue's FPGAs but ever since Kevtris sold out there hasn't been cores released for them. What you want to look at is the open source MiSTer but even though it's small, it's too bulky to fit into a form factor like this which is probably part of Analogue's market strategy.

>>5952034
>an FPGA N64
It's funny that you think that's possible. The N64 is LEGENDARY for it's retarded architecture. That would take a room full of people years to get done, if it's even possible in the first place.

>>5952117
>artificial meat is a meme just eat söy for the same quality

>>5952120
>>5952120
My post said nothing about feasibility. The point I'm making is that an FPGA console is pointless unless it's something that's either rare/expensive or complicated and difficult to emulate properly.

>>5952087
You noticed how I specifically pointed out Saturn and n64? Did you think maybe I was referring to the sheer complexity of these consoles and the poor documentation before talking shit you LeBron James ass bitch

I wish this company would just fuck off already. Just selling elitism to smug hipsters at this point.

>>5952117
retropi is retarded too, just for different reasons. You already have a computer that can emulate. You probably have multiple computers that can emulate. a pi is a completely pointless purchase.

>>5952120
I've been thinking about this a lot. CEN64 hasn't had an update in about 3 months, I haven't heard any notable updates from other projects. Maybe in 20 years, when these console manufacturers begin to realize the hole they've dug themselves into, there will be a push to develop commercial emulators inhouse? This won't solve any of the problems we have now, but at least these titles will be fully functional and not the hacky VC selects we have now. Sometimes it feels like emulation is screwed, especially after watching MVG's video. You have to get specialized, antiquated parts just to run some of these older emulators. Someone hand off some hope please

>>5951758
I hope they bring back the clear case for a limited run. They become collectable.

>>5952081
Playing lag free on a flat screen, with all the mods to the hardware already done.

>>5952119
>Kevtris sold out

What do you mean?

>>5952143
> when these console manufacturers begin to realize the hole they've dug themselves into, there will be a push to develop commercial emulators inhouse?

I don't understand this post, these companies have their consoles architecture all documented. It's a herculean task to get N64 emulation for internet hobbyists but Nintendo has already put out their N64 emulator in the Wii and Wii U, dunno if they ported it to the Switch yet.
And even if they didn't, how were these companies get screwed? They don't care if the general public can archive and easily access their games, they already have their own archives (barring some shit that gets lost), they just care about selling you shit.

>>5952175
He's now an analogue employee contractually bound by a noncompete agreement to only produce cores for Analogue and only the cores they want him to produce.

>>5952058
FM synthesis is digital. A digital recreation is the same.

>>5952189
I figured that'd happen. But I don't think he's a sellout. He's been wanting to do stuff like this for years, and now that a company is helping bring his work to people's homes there was bound to be a contract involved.

>>5952194
It's literally the definition of selling out lol. I don't blame him though. He distinguished himself as the #1 authority on the topic and he deserves to get paid for it. It would be nice if "Smokemonster" started releasing MiSTer cores but I doubt he'll risk it.

>>5951758
Why does it have 4 buttons if it's only GB/GBC?
Also,

so is the pocket hack proof?

>>5952228
So what's the point of the SD card then?

>>5952224

It plays GBA too. Didn't you read it?

>>5952198

A sellout would be more like he did it just for the money. He had already made the cores, but couldn't get them distributed because the hardware didn't exist. He now does, and the company just contracted him to make sure they don't lose their most valuable asset.
He deserves all the money coming toward it. I thought Analogue was pretentious when the CMVS came out, but knowing kevtris is behind the FGPA products I now support them.

>>5952228
Yes, but of course they don't want to say that since that could mean infringing on IP by people side loading roms.

>>5952231
firmware updates

>>5952228
I think they say that to cover their ass. I doubt they'll care but gotta say that for their lawyers.

>>5952140
But it's not an "alternative/modern hardware" thread if pifags don't chime in to remind everyone about a device everyone knows exist but no one really cares about

>>5952228
Analogue don't officially acknowledge their jailbreaks but kevtris usually releases them through a third party a couple of weeks after they start shipping.

>>5951870
>that doesn't involve frankensteining old GBA parts to GBCs
that's been around for a solid year now easily, they're just drop in LCD kits from china.

>>5951758
GB
GBC
GBA
GG
NGPC
Lynx

That's a decent score. Hope it gets Wonderswan too.

>>5951758
>Pocket is designed for FPGA development. We added a second dedicated FPGA just for developers to develop & port their own cores.

Interesting

>>5952316
Makes sense that it has four face buttons then. Someone is probably gonna try and port an SNES core to this thing.

>>5952314
first I though WS(C)-carts woudl be too wide, but when they can make GG- and lynx-support happen...

>>5952228
the console has only usb port
no slots for sd cards or equivalent.

>>5952178
>Nintendo has already put out their N64 emulator in the Wii and Wii U
Except that their VC emulators were hacky messes that had to be messed around on a per game basis for the games to even function properly.

The problem of N64 emulation is multi-faceted and something that goes way beyond "the console is complex". These other reasons vary from GPUs not being able to properly perform all the functions of the RCP to the massive fragmentation of the N64 emulation scene as a whole. While it would be certainly a monumental task, a FPGA N64 would benefit from the blank slate programmability of the FPGA and, probably, a more unified front. The main issues would be getting a powerful enough FPGA into the system and getting enough information about the behaviors of all the different components to properly replicate them.

I already got the GB, GBC, and GBA romsets. I'll be picking this up and wait a week or two for the jailbreak.

>>5952236
He wrote all kinds of cores for the NT Mini. There are none for the Mega or the Super. You're being kind of suspiciously obtuse.

>>5952549
>There are none for the Mega
Besides the GG, MS, and Collecovision cores.

>>5952067
Why not just get a custom NGPC backlight my dude?

>>5952178
>these companies have their consoles architecture all documented
I wouldn't be surprised if it got lost. happens in companies all the time

>>5952549
I don't understand where you're coming from with this reply. I have the Nt mini and jail broke it, so I know the cores and have messed with them. He released the cores officially; you mentioned earlier that he's being limited from releasing more. I don't know the source for that, but if that's so then it's just Analogue protecting their IP with contractual bounds.

>>5952562
GG/MS would inherently be a part of a MD core. Stop being dense.

>>5952067
Mod your NGPC with the backlight from China. I installed it on mine a few weeks ago and it's great.

>>5952659
i wish i could find a NGPC for less than $80
i remember when you could still buy them NOS for $35 i wish i did

>>5952659
How good is the NeoGeo Pocket, and which games could you recommend me checking out?
Was considering buying one to add it to my handeld collection, but i'm not so sure yet.

So what's the best gba flashcart? I assume they should work. The evercards seemed to work fine with the other analogue systems.

why cant the everdrive gba play gbc games?

>>5952758
The GBA has a physical switch to change which hardware its using for GB/C or GBA games. Since they're two different architectures, GBA flash carts can't boot into GB/C mode.

>>5952642
You can't just ignore the SG-1000 and Colecovision cores. Both of which grant it access to MSX conversions as well.

>>5951758
no thanks. already got a pi3 command module in an original gameboy shell that can play all the handhelds and 16 bit consoles to boot and I built it for less than $200

>>5952761
Okay, so then one would need a gba flashcart and a gbc flashcart if you wanted to play the entire gb library?

>>5952779
Yeah. There are GB/C emulators that will run on GBA flashcarts but they suck and it's silly to emulate on the device that has the literal hardware you need inside it. Just buy an EZFlash, don't fall for the EverDrive GBA meme. It's 10x the price for no benefit. EZFlashs are like $20. Get a BennVenn GB/C cart if you can, otherwise the EverDrive GB X3 isn't a total ripoff, I have one and it works well.

Hitting the right notes with the screen resolution, design and adapters.
The really promising part is the TV-Out function, I could go for one of these just for that as I already have an AGS-101 SP.
I don't usually like non-official solutions but this one is very good because the screens on the original systems are so shitty and there's little option out there.

>>5952074
Dude, I have actually, literally, spent the last 4 days repairing various Genesis consoles, recapping, ordering RGB cables and trying to find a TV in the house that will take the out of spec console refresh.
Right now I'm debating buying ANOTHER OSSC or using the money for a MegaSg. Don't knock modern, compatible hardware for a sleep deprived wagie who doesn't have time to deal with cranky old hardware.

>>5952170
>>5952081
Very much convenience. I have multiple consoles because buying 100% fully working, tested L@@K shit off ebay means you'll be spending your weekend troubleshooting.
My consoles from back in the day all work great, but the abused shit you get for $50 off ebay is worse than a crapshoot, they are basically spares & repairs only.

>>5952140
Eh, you're going to have to compromise on a desktop. A modern win10 machine isn't exactly an emulation paradise. Dual booting to say windows 7 or an optimised linux is inconvenient. A dedicated emulation box is just better.

Analogue's other devices have been tempting, but I'm not about to start collecting snes or genesis cartridges again. I don't have space. But this, I can definitely get behind. I would buy one right now if their site was was taking pre-orders.

I don't have any NES/SNES carts left so while the other Analog products have been tempting I haven't picked any of them up.
But this, if its basically like a Retro Switch and it can be used to play/rip my collection of GB/GBA games as well as play NES+SNES after a simple soft mod I'm in.

>>5951758
I'm literally going to buy 10 of these and resell them for a lot more money.

WATCH
ME

>>5952761
sounds like an excuse. why not just put a physical switch on the cart?

>>5952231
playing vorbis and mp3 files

>>5952595
Okay let me spell it out for you in a greentext story format
>Analogue produces their first FPGA console, the NT Mini
>Kevtris produces multiple cores for it, supporting nearly every important 2nd and 3rd Gen console
>Analogue stops production of the NT Mini
>Analogue hires Kevtris
>Analogue produces two separate FPGA 4th gen consoles
>Kevtris produces no 3rd Gen cores
Its pretty obvious he's being paid NOT to do what he's good at. There's no reason for the Mega SG, I'm sure that it's basically identical to the Super NT and could have just been a core but yeah Analogue totally has a right to protect their intellectual property that belongs to Nintendo and Sega. *scoff*

>>5952978
They're doing what they can to be seen as producing a clone console that plays the original cartridges for a single system, and not a maker of pirate devices that can become a target for every company that owns old console game rights.

>>5952978
kevtris helped develop the Nt mini. I assumed he was hired before the Nt mini was made. He released the cores for it he already made years prior and were easily dumped.

And the IP I'm talking about is their proprietary code for the FPGA.

But yes, I agree that the Super Nt could've run other 32bit consoles. I was surprised to find it didn't.

>>5953008
Will you be surprised when the pocket also doesn't do the things it could/should?

>>5952997
If there was civil liability for producing things capable of running pirated software Byuu and every other emulation author would be getting buttfucked by Bubba right now.

>>5953029
We've been told what carts it will run, those will obviously be available in jailbreak. Plus, an additional FPGA for making and using user-made cores.

What exactly will this not have that it should? Why do you have this strange paranoia about the idea of Analogue separating cores to sell as separate products, when that was only done for SNES and Genesis? And we could argue they had other reasons for doing that.

>>5953029
What? No. I have the Super Nt and am more than happy with it. The extra cores were just bonus features. When the Nt mini was announced no one knew about the extra cores; they were a surprising gift.

>>5953039
No. Anything can be used to pirate. Computers can. But you can't advertise things or patent or copyright them to promote piracy. Analogue is being careful with their design and wording to avoid litigation. The SD card? Firmware updates. The usage of copyrighted games in their images? Promotion. Designed to run cartridges with the help of adapters.

Amazon doesn't make Kindles saying you can hack them and run pirated books, yet people do it anyway.

>>5953051
This new thing called "consumer confidence"

Why did funcoland remove his/her posts?

>>5953085
He didn't, the Janitors did because of the critique of Analogue's policies. /vr/ is officially a shill. Make a note of it.

>>5953091
That sucks. What's the point of having a healthy, anonymous conversation/debate if mods will delete your posts?

I love analogue but welcome disagreements on their products

>>5953091
Can you prove it's janitors? That guy is kinda wack. I wouldn't put it past him to delete posts if he feels he's losing an argument.

>>5953105
If this "Analogue Pocket" offers easy porting of MiSTer cores and has a dock with digital/analog outputs and USB/Bluetooth inputs I'll be GLAD to pay $200 for it but I'll wait and see. I'm certainly glad I didn't jump the gun on the Super or the Mega.

>>5953123
The dock will be a separate purchase, but will output to HDMI, and will be compatible with DAC. You can also use bluetooth wireless controllers with it, or wired via USB.

>>5953121
People were replying to his posts from much earlier in the thread long after its too late for someone to delete their own posts.

>>5953131
Yeah, I've noticed. It's clear to me now it's janitors. Maybe it's just because he's a namefag?

...Or maybe you're just not allowed to criticize products in their threads anymore. That's a shame, and I'm a huge analoguefag that bought the NT and SG, and will buy the Pocket.

Someone tell me the difference between FPGA hardware and emulating? Ive been playing all my GB games on my AGS101 and GBA games on my Micro, but I've been curious to know how these games look upscaled.

>>5951758
Sounds like a great way for hipsters to spend their money on something other than driving up the prices of original hardware

>>5952117
If you're interested in having an incredibly low lag experience, FPGAs are the best thing behind the actual hardware.

There's a huge amount of shit going on behind the scenes even for SoCs that can add up to create a clearly perceptible amount of input latency. FPGAs circumvent a lot of that because they don't have to deal with the overhead that all software has to natively deal with.

A retropie has similar issues, except it also has to cheat a bit when it comes to emulation since it can't run as accurately due to it being such a lightweight system.

>>5953229
FPGAs are recreations at the hardware level, without the additional overhead that comes with software emulation (OS, USB polling, etc). >>5953234 says it succinctly

>>5953234
>>5953237
Not him, but can you be more specific on how an FPGA "recreates the hardware"? Like how exactly do these things work, and what makes them different than software emulation?

>>5953249
FPGA stands for "field programmable gate array" which means they have "gates" in them that can be set to recreate the actual physical structure of other processors - although in their current state for retro consoles they actually just approximate their function. Eventually the processors will be decapped and complex enough FPGAs will be available to truly and precisely replicate them but even at the current state its inherently more optimized than software emulation - though runahead is a good competing software technology.

>>5953249
It's basically just emulation on a lower level of the system.

Rather than a software interface translating instructions and talking to other software to run the translated instructions at whatever pace it's going to run it on the non-standard hardware configuration, FPGA's are basically doing all the interpreting and execution themselves and directly outputting.

It is not necessarily more accurate than anything else, as a good software emulator can have totally perfect emulation in any type of hardware (bsnes for example), but the latency on a good FPGA implementation can be as good, if not better than the real thing.

>>5953229
FPGA hardware is simulation, emulation is...emulation. FPGAs work by simulating the actual CPU of the system in question, for example. So when done correctly, the system effectively behaves exactly like a SNES or NES or GB would. There's also a bonus in that FPGAs are also far more lightweight compared to a traditional PC setup, and right now most SoCs are a bit too weak to accurately emulate games without making some big compromises.

Now this isn't to say there can't be accuracy issues, because there's always edge cases for older game systems that checks the accuracy and robustness of your FPGA implementation.

That said, emulation can have an advantage because they can add additional features on top of the original that are a bit more difficult for an FPGA implementation. Rewinding, for example. The fact that they're not 100% tied down to the original means you can do things like modifying assets on the fly, add networked multiplayer and so forth.

>>5953249
That's a bit too technical even for me, since I'm just a software engineer and programming a FPGA requires you to get really close to the bare metal. But the gist of things is a CPU is 'just' a series of logic gates and ways of interpreting instructions that software (or in this case, a game) sends down to it. You send in the letter A, and the CPU displays the letter A on the screen in very simplified terms without considering other aspects of hardware architecture.

FPGAs work by recreating that exact hardware behavior. So a fully robust FPGA should behave almost exactly like the actual system. Emulation in that sense behaves similarly but in software. There's no actual hardware component associated with it, instead an emulator takes the instructions that a game hands it, and interprets it in a way that behaves like the original system. Then the software handles passing that info to your graphics card, rendering it on the screen, polling input etc.

wow I just tried emulating game boy on my shitass samsung galaxy eclipse phone (like a normal person would) and can use gpu hard sync 0, run ahead 1, rewind, and a sharp bilinear shader without any slowdown. There's literally no reason to buy this.

>>5953278
n-no... you absolutely need this! think of the input lag. nevermind the fact that GB games were designed for a shitty slow ghosting-ridden LCD screen

if FPGA is so different from regular emulation, why did kevtris need byuu's help to fix all of the super nt's inaccuracies and bugs?

checkmate fpgathiests

>>5953293
other way around, byuu needed help and got so triggered about fig pies he wrote an autistic blog post about how they are actually inferior to his shit trannyulator

>A NEW ANALOGUE PRODUCT FOR ME TO CONSUME?!?!?!

>>5953278
>emulating with a touch screen

>>5951927
doesn't kill it if you want real hardware

>>5952062
clearly you have no technical understanding of why it is currently extremely difficult to write a N64 core

writing a software emulator isn't quite the same as reproducing this shit in vlog, and you're limited by cost and the capabilities of current fpgas (gates & memory)

>>5952112
who said neo geo is "almost impossible"? because it isn't, you can get a neo core for the MISTer. it's also theoretically possible to write a neo core for current fpgas.

>>5953272
>Eventually the processors will be decapped
you realize this has already happened for the vast majority of these consoles, right? pre-32bit era, that is

>>5953293
it was actually both ways, you brainlets. kev and byuu helped each other improve their respective products

>>5953296
yeah wrong, when Super NT launched it was LESS accurate than Higan and was full of glitches. byuu helped kevtris out, not the other way around

>>5951927
>>5953413
>doesn't kill it if you want real hardware
the thing that kills the consolizer for me is that the games are sped up to accomedate 60 hz

>>5953274
>but the latency on a good FPGA implementation can be as good, if not better than the real thing.

wrong. FPGA isn't going to have better latency than real hardware, but software emulation can, because it can process your next 4 button presses before you even press them

>>5951758
meme tier shit for hipsters with too much disposable income

>I [byuu] consider its lead developer, Kevin Horton, a friend. We work together and share information. I'm in the credits on the Super Nt device for a reason: emulation is built on the shoulders of giants. The Super Nt is possible in part by higan, which was possible in part by Snes9X, etc. And indeed, the relationship is mutually beneficial: findings from Kevin have already made their way into higan.

Is it me or does “kevtris” seem like a complete pervert? He looks like he’s into furry or pedo shit.

>>5953526
No, I think he has severe autism and is just socially awkward. He probably is thinking he's expressing himself but it comes off as super weird.

>>5952097

>implying your shitty filters won't be hard coded into the device

>>5953413
>you realize this has already happened for the vast majority of these consoles, right? pre-32bit era, that is
Nobody has even done the Ricoh 5A22 let alone the enhancement chips in SNES carts.

>>5953272
>although in their current state for retro consoles they actually just approximate their function.
Ehat do you mean? Arent they 1:1?
What are they skipping?

>>5953632
They're not 1:1 copies. An exact copy might not even be legal. They're software emulators ported to FPGAs, so they rely on the same reverse engineering work which has mistakes. The Mister guy never even owned an SNES, he ported bSNES.

>>5952074
>nothing sounds as good as a real YM2612
this is a meme

>>5953435
ok google

>>5952236
That doesn't answer the question numbnuts
It has L and R buttons on the back for GBA, you don't need this four-button layout, it's dogshit, there's a reason the only time Nintendo ever tried to combine a portrait-style GB layout with four button diamond (Project Atlantis) it got cancelled
Because it's shit
This needs to be changed before entering production

>>5953430
it really doesn't matter all that much unelss you're a speedrun autist. I think retrorgb tested it.

>>5953583
I said majority, not all. and I wasn't talking about enhancement chips in carts. no one is. we're talking about the console hw itself.

>>5953435
wouldn't you want the FPGA implementation to mimic real hardware? as in have the same amount of input latency?

seems stupid and inauthentic to have it have LESS latency than the real thing.

>>5953530
kek. getting the same vibes from him
maybe he's a closet faggot

>>5951758
> $199
Nah, i'll just buy a PSP and emulate my games i think

>>5953276
>all that zoomer bullshitting
kek

>>5953526
>>5953530
Guys, just let rainman work his magic

Looks great but what is that start/select button placement? Why not just have it in the middle? If they change that then its an easy day-1 buy for me.

>>5953413
>clearly you have no technical understanding of why it is currently extremely difficult to write a N64 core
You're still not getting my point. How difficult it is to do is completely irrelevant to what I said. What I said is that anything besides that is pointless. If it's the case that N64/saturn/etc are too hard to do, then all that means is that any feasible FPGA is pointless.

>>5953903
I thought that was weird too. I could see myself accidentally hitting them based on where my palms rest.

>>5953910
>it doesn't do what I want
>therefore it's pointless

>>5953526
most of these guys that do amazing shit in the retro scene are just faggot furries. byuu, furtek, kevtris

>>5951758
>>5952012
At least give me atomic purple, and we'll talk.

>>5951758

>having to buy adapters for every differnt cart that isnt GB/GBC

yeah, no. unless it runs roms off SD i'm not interested. fuck using cartridges, or even sd carts.

>>5953454
what a pretentious cretin

>>5953737
Fuck, I'm dumb. I don't know why I always think the GBA has 4 face buttons. I even own both GBA styles.

Still, the post I replied to mentioned the Pocket playing only GB/GBC. It plays other systems. And since the GBA pretty much is a portable SNES the 4 face buttons don't hurt.

>>5954058
It also plays GBA without an adapter.

And you're implying the SD slot won't be jail broken to allow roms.

>>5952097
The pixels on a Game Boy screen are extremely sharp. I think what you mean is the pixel's fill factor(gaps between the pixels) and in the case of the GBC, visible sub pixels. Both of these things are much more noticeable on an emulator filter with the image blown up to many times the size of the original device's screen than they were on original hardware.

>>5954014
It's an overly-expensive version of common hardware that is easily emulatable as well as being common and much cheaper than this recreation. So yes, it is indeed pointless.

>>5954030
The colour availability is for real me my only sticking point. I hope to hell they don't introduce more colours and it's just those same ugly blue, pink, grey that Apple products use now.

>>5953737
The Atari Lynx has four face buttons, you kneejerk dipshit. Read the fucking article. It plays Lynx and Game Gear games.

>>5954015
As long as they get shit done and keep their deviance mostly to themselves, why give a fuck? They'll still yiff in hell after they die just the same without anons here getting all worked up about their personal lives.

>>5951758
looks good, will probably pick one up, I like my mega sg

>>5954179
Yeah, the colors are boring. I also wonder how the buttons in the bottom right corner will be affected by the palms being rested there.

>>5953760
The SNES is a pretty important console not to have been decapped. I thought we were talking about perfect reproduction of retro gaming. Nah just kidding. We're obviously just shilling Analogue.

>>5951758
They should have used a sapphire or scratch-resistant display. I wish companies would stop appealing to poorfags in this industry, especially the niche enthusiast market.

>>5954401
We're already in a niche, enthusiast market.

>>5952665
You can still get them very cheap from yahoo japan. Even with a proxy service you pay less than you would using ebay

>>5954401
You mean a display that shatters into 50 pieces and would increase the price substantially? Anon. Just put a glass screen protector on it and stop being retarded

>>5953676
I see. I just lost my interest in them. I thought they would decap the microchips and reverse engineer then into the FPGA.

>>5954471
Do you realize how insanely expensive and borderline illegal that would be?

>>5954471
They will eventually

>>5954480
The patents have expired for 3rd Gen systems and I assume they'll expire soon for 4th Gen ones as well if they haven't already.

>1600x1440
Why when the biggest handheld resolution we have is 720p(Switch)?

>>5951849
They are if they buy this. They just aren't poorfags who can't understand a dedicated way to play portably, because muh money, like you are. Inb4 fpga isn't emulation. It's great but not original hardware. Save your explanation for someone who doesn't understand these things already sweaty.

>>5952102
Same, was getting ready to do a mcwill game gear and buy a lynx2. No point now, also wanted to do the chink screen ngpc mod. This is worth the price of admission to play that stuff alone. I'll be waiting for the jailbreak to drop to buy it.

>>5954184
>The Atari Lynx has four face buttons
correct me if im wrong but i thought the two rows were duplicate inputs, therefore only being two

>>5954538
It's probably more expensive to have some manufacturer make a lower resolution screen at that size.

They are probably just taking ready-made phone screens and having the OEM cut them in half.

>>5952772
LOL, nice COPE there sport.

>>5954538
VR headsets like Valve's use 1600x1440 615 PPI LCD panels. Analogue probably just bought from that same panel maker.

>>5954065
>And since the GBA pretty much is a portable SNES the 4 face buttons don't hurt.
but the analog pocket lacks shoulder-buttons, no?
so eh.

>>5954761
It has shoulder buttons

>>5952829
>A modern win10 machine isn't exactly an emulation paradise.
All the emulators I used in Windows 7 work just fine in Windows 10, so just what are you on about? I've been emulating on PC since the mid-90s and never had a shortage of emulators compatible with whatever the current version of Windows was at the time.

>>5952829
Owning more productscan be a hassle even if it is better. I got a PSP, backlit GBA and DSIXL and sometimes wonder to myself if I should have just stuck with my N3DSXL & Vita.

>>5954764
oh, indeed, haven't noticed them in the other pics, nice.

>>5951792
their website states its going for 199, which is still admittedly more than what it takes to get a good condition gba sp 101 which can play all the nintendo stuff. Though the pocket here seems to have compatibility with Sega Game Gear, Neo Geo Pocket Color and Atari Lynx game carts using adapters.

Honestly for a machine that claims to use fpga and thus no software level emulation its fairly impressive but its still likely a little bit of a novelty. What crowd out there wants to play original game carts but doesn't want to do so on original hardware? If you aren't playing authentic carts you're almost certainly better off getting a new nintendo 3ds xl for 129.99 and having a much wider range of games available to be played on the go with an equally great screen.

>>5951758

This thing is massive hipster bait

>>5954480
>illegal
That's not illegal, besides the designs, any, really, can only be protected for 15 years, max.

These microchips are public domain, including the design of the controllers and the consoles.

You can't not use trademarks or copyrighted works, these fall under public domain 40 years after the death of creator. And trademarks are forever, as long as the company/trademark is active.

>>5954807
That fgpa logo is an eyesore

>>5954480
>illegal
That's not illegal, even if you clone the consoles include their designs, copy them 1:1 is not illegal. Any design/patent, can only be protected for 15 years, max, really.

These microchips are public domain, including the design of the controllers and the consoles.

You can't not clone copyrighted works, these fall under public domain 40 years after the death of creator. But you can clone the rules of the games. You can clone them 1:1.

And trademarks are forever, as long as the company/trademark is active.

>>5955002
Yeah. Why in the world would you put something like that on your product anyway? Its not like the CD-ROM/DVD/Blu-ray consortium where a product is required to have an official logo on it. This is weird marketing.

>>5954065
It 110% hurts
Shit's fucking stupid and is a deal-breaker for me
Every handheld this thing is simulating had two face buttons and two shoulder buttons at max
Trying to force a SNES diamond onto a Game Boy is a fucking horrendous idea, this is supposed to be an accurate recreation, not a fucking Freeplay CM3
It would be like releasing the NES Classic with only the SNES Classic controller and no other options
Change to two face buttons or no deal

>>5951758
Seems great but with that resolution it doesn't seem to hold to much playtime per charge. Also, battery won't be removable, so in a few years you will have something to put on top of your papers.

>>5951758
One question:

How accurate are current Gameboy, Gameboy color and Gameboy Advanced emulator? Are they 100% accurate?

>>5954770
Im old too and emulation does not feel the same unless is 100% accurate. You can notice this if you have played before on consoles.

>>5955052
This seems like a weird thing to get hung up on.

>>5955079
Agreed. It makes me optimistic that SNES and Genesis cores will be supported.

>>5955002
With all the money they make you'd think they could hire an actual artist to make that graphic instead of picking a guy off Fiverr.

day 1 for me. people who say use a vita/psp dont realize how god awful the emulation is on those devices. i'll keep my vita as my dedicated ps1 portable machine and this for everything else.

someone give me the odds (or at least lie to me) and say emulation will be possible on these. Obviously playing physical carts will be preferred and more fun, collector wise. but fuck paying ~$30+ for GB/C games.

>>5955291
It's an FPGA system, it will be able to play whatever cores are able to be ported to it, particularly since they're including a second core for community development. That said, it's extremely unlikely the core(s) are capable of doing anything beyond 16 bit machines, particularly at a cost below what their dedicated 16 bit machines can do.

>>5955052
>Trying to force a SNES diamond onto a Game Boy is a fucking horrendous idea
It's just a second diagonal line of two buttons above the first.

>>5955291
Both Super NT and Mega SG had jailbreaks that made ROMs playable off the SD card. Most people believe kevtris himself makes them unofficially. Odds of it for this seem pretty much 1, too.

>>5955391
no because the diaganol is more pronounced than on the gameboy.

>>5955404
>diaganol

>>5955063
Of the ones I've used, VBA-M isn't super accurate, but has good options, joypad support and very playable. Sameboy is very accurate but has a shitty interface and lack of options that make it kind of a hassle like volume control and easy scaling. mGBA is shit for GB/C, very accurate for GBA but has absolutely horrid joypad support. I can deal with playing handheld games on a PC, but without a functioning joypad? Fuck that shit, anyone emulating with keyboard as their controller is a fucking nigger.

If the screen scales well, I'll consider buying one of these.

>>5955461
>more pronounced

>>5955678
If you're worried about emulation inaccuracy 3DS is already the cheap and easy GBA system that does it without emulation if you hack it.

>>5952240
>>5952246
I doubt that's the reason. It's legal to sell flashcarts and software emulators that play ROMs. The real reason Analogue devices don't play ROMs should be obvious. They're aimed at retro hipsters with too much money, so they want to be sold in brick and mortar retro games stores on the same shelves as the second hand cartridges. Those stores won't sell it if it invalidates their business model. Things like the Retron 5 don't play ROMs for the same reason.

>>5955401
>Most people believe kevtris himself makes them unofficially.
Kevtris is as subtle about the jailbreaks as Byuu is about his ROM dumps. If anyone believes someone else made the jailbreaks, I have a bridge to sell you in upstate New York.

>>5955835
In upstate New York? I thought the bridge being sold was the Brooklyn Bridge.

>>5955291
>lie to me
You're old enough to be here and hardware emulation isn't emulation

>>5952509
Why not just have an emulator that has patches for the few dozen games that are good on N64. The rest are just 3rd party shovelware anyway.

>>5955072
Maybe I'm just undiscerning, but I can't tell the difference between playing on an emulator on my PC and playing on a console for anything before 5th gen. I've personally considered emulation of those consoles "perfect" since the early 00s and just about any emulator will do.

>>5955002
I like it, reminds me of logos used in the 90s.

>>5955761
No, that is definitely the reason. If they advertised it as being able to play ROMs there goes their business. Nintendo can take them to court and Analogue's lawyers will just say, "We explicitly stated it's not used to play roms."

Your explanation of retro hipsters is very myopic. Legal consequences is a far bigger threat to their business model than losing money from "retro hipsters with too much money. "

>>5955945
I thought so too, until I played the Analogue Nt mini with a wired controller. It was a revelation. I didn't realize how much lag there was with emulators until then.

>>5955761
>It's legal to sell flashcarts

I honestly believe that won't be the case for very long. I want to stock up on flashcarts as I can foresee places stop selling them. eBay, for instance, doesn't allow the sales of flashcarts because they promote piracy.

analogue moar liek anal log lol

>>5955994
What are you blabbering about? I see ads for flashcarts everywhere when I look at Ebay, both inside and outside the USA. Ninty isn't gonna bother with them and even if they do, everyone's gonna order them from other sites anyway.

>>5955994
No. See Universal Studios vs. Sony Corporation of America.
An object with non-infringing uses cannot be made illegal if it coincidentally has infringing uses.

Flash carts allow you to play ROMs, but you are ALLOWED to back up and play your own carts using something like the Sanni Cart Reader. This is non-infringing and 100% legal.

>>5955401
>>5955835
Kevtris makes the jailbreaks, Analogue knows he makes the jailbreaks and the customers know he makes the jailbreaks.

Analogue don't care because they know the jailbreaks sell the systems, they just can't officially acknowledge them or support them for legal reasons. For the same reasons Kevtris has to release them anonymously.

>>5956360
And the reason we know that it's Analogue telling him not to release cores.

>>5956370
Analogue didn't feel putting two different kinds of controller ports in one machine, okay? Jesus, you never shut up about those 16-bit cores. Wonder how you'll respond when Pocket gets a ton of cores, from kevtris and users.

>>5956390
I'm fucking buy one obviously. I've been on the edge of investing in a MiSTer so if this is a stylish, portable one I'll definitely buy it.

>>5956205
Nintendo specifically addressed eBay to cease selling flash carts. I sold some old EZ Flash IVs I didn't need and they kept getting removed because eBay said they promoted piracy.

>>5956218
Interesting. I never read that case. I read the brief and they mentioned specifically that it deals with materials specifically broadcast for free over airwaves, not media that is specifically printed and sold for personal, consumer use. The court there said that the "time-shifting" (to tape something that was free to watch at a later time) probably didn't cause Universal to lose any money.
To tape something that's meant to be "free" is one thing, but to use a device that is meant to hold a number of games at one time is another.

Still, I perhaps shouldn't be so concerned because it's not like the flash cart has internal memory; it's only the use of the SD card, a separate device, that causes it to hold a number of devices.

>>5956419
Movie studios weren't producing their own video tapes yet but the case produced a huge and generalized legal precedent in the USA that proved functional and compatible with our economy when the movie studios Did start producing their own tapes and discovered that the benefits exceed the liabilities exactly the same as its being proven today with how wildly successful the "mini consoles" are. There's a significant market of people who want to use emulation and roms but are either unable to set it up themselves or unwilling to for whatever reason. The major game studios were stupid not to take advantage of it sooner. If Sega has released official Genesis game collections for Dreamcast they would have made a lot of money. Probably not enough to produce Shenmue but still.

>>5954157
Not pointless. It's sexy and brand new and has extra features the original doesn't have . It's for weirdos sure, but I would rather play these games in a small form factor with actual buttons than play on a bully 3ds or phone with touch controls. Fight me .

>>5956473
>extra features
ah yes, extra buttons that do nothing in the games it supports and some sort of shitty sequencer totally justify 200 dollars when you can literally just get a gba sp

do you even know how stupid you sound?

>>5956535
GBA can play Game Gear, Lynx and NGPC games? There's a GBA dock that outputs HDMI and let's you use Bluetooth and USB controllers? Who knew? Also an AGS-101 and a decent flash cart will start pushing you close to $200.

>>5956535
p o o r c u c k

>>5956554
>an AGS-101 and a decent flash cart will start pushing you close to $200.
Bandwagoner eBaby detected

I'm excited for this if it is hacked and I can play roms on it, since they are more open for development now we might get a turbografx core, genesis core, (or non portable cores) or a bunch of other cores for stuff like the sega pico or wonderswan. Just a matter of time. I have a gpd xd+ but I guarantee you that if a bunch of cores were released on this it would be much better than a plain old emulation device. I imagine this could be the last analogue device anyone needs if it can run cores that do what the past devices did.

I'm 100% buying one of these when they come out, provided there's nothing outrageously wrong with them. The idea of being able to wander into a shop and buy pretty much any old portable cart and count on being able to use it with something modern and portable (holy shit, the Game Gear was impractical) is v. appealing. Add in the ability to dock the console (obsoleting the Game Boy Player, among other solutions) and the probability of a jailbreak firmware that'll let it play anything (mostly reproducing the functionality of the Nt Mini and the Super Nt in a portable, dockable form factor), and it's pretty much a retro gamer's best friend.

>>5956845

The one thing that really worries me is the battery. The other Analogue consoles didn't have to account for battery lifespan limitations. I wonder what they've done to account for it here?

>>5956848
There's a lot Analogue is doing for the first time here.
- screen
- buttons
- battery

I want to jump on this like I have for the other Analogue devices, but I'm not sure if it's better to wait until a possible revision.

>>5956770
>Dude should just time travel back ten years and buy an AGS-101. It'll be a lot cheaper.
I paid $10 for mine at a yard sale in 2014 but that doesn't really have any bearing on its objective value and competitiveness with this device in 2020

>>5956770
Link me the prices for a decent AGS-101, GBC flash cart, GBA flash cart, GG flash cart, NGPC flash cart, and Lynx II flash cart. Oh, and a GBA player.

>>5956884
Well since you're a time traveler posting from 2020 why don't you do that kiddo?
>2019-2014=10
You really brought the stupid today didn't you

>>5956896
>Link me
ZOOM!

>>5956920
>ZOOM

I'm 33yo, but thank you for thinking I look younger.

>>5956920
Well ONE of the three of us definitely comes across as a stupid asshole anyway.

>>5956937
>i'm a 33yo zoomer
Sounds about right

>>5957016
That'd be the tard who doesn't know what year it is and can't into simple math

>>5957063
The Analogue Pocket releases in 2020.
Ten years ago is when prices really started to skyrocket but I got lucky at a yard sale. Not exactly something you could bank on even in 2014 and certainly not now
Caustic pedantry doesn't make you look smart. Does it make you feel smart? Because it just smells like desperation and terrible self confidence.

I am excited that Nintendo might actually have a handheld competitor with that extra FPGA being available for developers.

I wish Analogue had some competition in the retro clone space, though.

>>5956218
Tell that to all those old file sharing applications (Napster, Kazaa, etc.) or that company that did the wi-fi local broadcast recordings (Aereo)
Even when you're legal like Bleem, it doesn't matter in the end. The only actual law in the US is "who can afford the more expensive lawyers?"
Nintendo isn't going to sue Analogue as it is now though. If they were going to, they already would have.

>>5956864
I don't think any of those should be an issue. Analogue can take off the shelf parts used by a typical phone and be golden, especially because I'm willing to bet an FPGA is going to take less to power it than your typical modern smartphone.

I think the only major flaw I can see is that the start/select etc buttons are in an awful spot.

>>5956390
If only there was some sort of universal serial bus that could have been used to connect any kind of controller, and an entire market of adapters for any system imaginable.
Oh well I guess without that we'll just have to keep selling $200 individual consoles and then abandon each one after a few months of updates.

>>5956118
Oooooh snap rude boy your dynamite is on fire!

>>5957150
I agree, a competitor would encourage lower prices because imo all the analogue devices are overpriced except this pocket, it is borderline overpriced

>>5957153
>Aereo

Shoot, I forgot about that case. Had to read that one in my IP class. :P
He totally got wrecked because he was providing channeling TV stations and charging for it. It's very much like someone paying for a game, then dumping it and selling it to people online.

Still, if you're just making a "backup" device (ie, flash cart) and aren't advertising its use of accepting illegally downloaded roms, then we can all hope for the best and continue seeing flash carts made and sold.

>>5957153
Flash carts aren't made to share ROMs, etc., though. So long as you make the device and advertise its main use as a backup device only, it may be that you will avoid any litigation whatsoever.

Just like that anon said about other companies making devices like the rewritable VCR, disc drive, DVR, etc.; the flash drive is just a way to play personal and legally obtained backups and homebrews.

>>5957080
>being right doesn't make you look smart
That's ok. As long as it makes you look stupid. Not like you needed any help with that though.

>>5956845
Gameboy player will still be better for gb/c and gba if you want a dock solution that can play with controllers or on CRT. Bluetooth controllers are ass. Plus it would be cheaper to go that route. GameCubes are at okay prices, and the players are dirt fucking cheap. There's also finally a 3rd party component cable that's under a 100 bucks. I'm not excited about the dock at all, but then again I don't play on LCD. Could see that being a reason to get it I guess.

>>5952097
fun fact, with a 1600x1440 resolution, you can have "those dot matrix filters that are so popular for emulators" display perfectly

If this thing enables Super Game Boy functionality on games that have it (borders would be nice but I mainly mean palettes and added sound effects) then I'm fucking SOLD. Otherwise I don't see the advantage ovrt using an AGS-101 or a SGB/GBP.

>>5957520
Why would you want borders on a screen that has no need to put borders around the game?

>>5957642
Autism?

>>5957642
As an option for when it's docked, and for the novelty. But mostly for the novelty. Whenever I emulate GB games I usually use the borders if available just because they're something I'm not used to seeing since I did most of my GB playing on an actual GB.

There are also some GBC games that have borders that you'd never really see because most of them run noticeably worse on a SGB than on a GBC, like the Pokemon Card game. Its border was also unique in that it had a function other than just being window dressing, it kept track of what medals you had obtained from defeating the club leaders, and even updated with a crown at the top once you'd beaten the Grand Master, but most people aren't even aware of this because you'd have to be stupid to run it on a SGB since it plays noticeably slower on a GB/SGB than a GBC.

>>5957660
also this

>>5957642
That is not all it did, super game boy is the best way to play pokemon red and blue since it uses dynamic palettes to increase the overall colors of the game. If you play them on GBC you just get boring static palette for games that don't have GBC support.

>>5957670
>implying Stadium/2 isn't better because of Doduo/Dodrio Game Boy
And as far as Pokemon games go, the point >>5957662 brought up about the TCG game also applies to GS, they have SGB borders but you'd never play them on a SGB because they're better on a GBC. Though playing them on Stadium 2 does let you play them with the border AND in GBC mode, so there's that.

>>5951758
I would love a slimmer Gameboy with the rectangle that can play GBA games, but why the four face buttons? Also $199?
>no emulation
I call bullshit

>>5958281
>I call bullshit

Damn, you just called them out. You single-handedlytook down their entire business.

>>5958281

Four face buttons are there for two reasons:

1) This handheld supports Atari Lynx cartridges, the controller for which featured four face buttons.

2) This handheld is 100% going to get jailbroken to play roms, and we wouldn't want the button count to be inadequate for the SNES, now, would we?

Re: emulation, you'll get a lot of mad fags arguing about what is or is not emulation, but in short, this is an FPGA, which means that instead of the consoles' high-level functions being reproduced in software, the board is reproducing the very structure of the processor, which usually leads to extremely accurate and faithful emulation.

>>5958345
Lynx only had A and B buttons though. There are just two sets of them if people want to flip the console and play "left handed"

The more I look at it the more I take it as a very good indicator that your #2 is the case and we'll have SNES (and Genesis) compatibility right out of the gate. Will probably earmark $300 for one of these as soon as that's confirmed.

>>5951758
I prefer to pay half the price for a GR350.

>>5953249
You already got plenty of responses but let me add that because ALL of first order logic (i.e. circuitry) can be done with NAND gates (NAND = not and, literally does a logic AND and then negates the result), you can essentially replicate any circuitry in a FPGA if you do the right connections. To that end there are (extremely low level, to the point of being worse than C) programming languages that compile your code to the gate configuration that does that logic (i recently learnt that there are some efforts to use some high-level language similar to haskell that then compiles to Verilog/VHDL as a mid-step so you can use a real programming language on fpgas).

Therefore a FPGA can replicate any hardware. Also because the code is transformed into a circuit inside the FPGA, they are fast as hell and are used for performance critical applications in many fields such as internet providing, scientific simulations, sensor processing (last year I worked with lidar sensors and they had fpgas to process the data they scanned in real time).

Fun fact: PS3 had 4 FPGAs at its core. For a time they were extremely popular among scientific researchers that could literally buy a hundred second-hand PS3 consoles, set up linux within them, and then link together in a cheap as fuck cluster. AFAIK even the USAF used PS3 clusters to do image processing. Then sony did some shit I don't quite remember that made them unusable for that purpose, also they were running scarce and Nvidia and google started to push hard the GPU machine learning meme, so nowadays you have to just send your shekels to nvidia for an overpriced GPU if you wanna do image processing, or worse yet use intel processors if you wanna do scientific computing or big data.

This actually looks interesting and in a first for an Analogue product it's priced pretty fairly, but since it appears to be a limited-release "one and gone" deal, I'm not interested in fighting scalpers for it.

>>5958680

I signed up for e-mail notification. If you want one at the MSRP, you should do so too.

>>5958459
The buttons are all programmable so it's there for people who want to have Start/Select mapped to the face buttons instead of off in the corner, or for people who would prefer to have A/B mapped to "B/Y" like a SNES controller.

>>5958459
>and we'll have SNES (and Genesis) compatibility right out of the gate
how exactly are you going to plug in the carts?
yes, I'm aware of the """jailbroken""" firmwares of previous analogue-devices, tyvm

>>5958526
>Then sony did some shit I don't quite remember that made them unusable for that purpose,
they killed OtherOS just because, which made huge wave in the news and eventually led to the ps3-firmware getting blown wide open from one George Hotz and fail0verflow, if one remembers the names...

>>5951834
Yes sir

>>5954471
SNES emulation is already cycle accurate

>paying for an emulator in a box

>>5959628
>paying for video games
>paying for anything
>paying

>>5958526
But they are not translating the SNES/GB chips into the FPGA, are they? The other anon said it was "impossible". So, are they just creating gates that simulates the high accuracy emulators?

>>5952193
FM synths like all digital synths need some sort of DAC to get the sound to your speakers. The type of DAC used colours the sound.

>>5958821
Well, *I'm* not going to but if *you* really wanted to, I imagine you would use the same sort of cartridge adapter that you'll use to play Game Gear, Lynx and NGPC carts.

>>5959628
It's not though

>>5959812
No. Only digital ones do.

>>5959763
My guess is that they reverse engineered it. But it's just a guess.

>>5959628
FPGA is not an emulator.
More importantly, it’s a handheld, so the build and screen quality matter immensely.

>>5960385
>FPGA is not an emulator.
Does it have a separate set of processing chips for every console whose games you can play on it? Chips that are identical to the original console? If not, then there's fucking emulation going on.

>>5960390
>a separate set of processing chips for every console
An FPGA actually CAN be this

>>5959763
>just creating gates that simulates the high accuracy emulators
But in reality this is actually how the fpga simulations of retro consoles are derived.

>>5959962
>they reverse engineered it
Its not IMPOSSIBLE but it would sort of be like reinventing the wheel

When you're tempted to take an unreasonably purist perspective like "anything that isn't a precise recreation of the original processors is emulation" try to remember that even real consoles went through multiple hardware revisions where different chipsets that executed functions differently. Is a 1chip snes emulating a "real" snes?

I’d be on board if it could do gimmicky stuff like emulate super game boy enhancements when playing game boy games

>>5959962
If they didn't, and are just mimicking cycle accurate... it's not different from an emulator, it's just faster.

I thought they decaped the chips and implemented all the chip's gates...

>>5960413
>But in reality this is actually how the fpga simulations of retro consoles are derived.

If that's the case, I'll just keep using an emulator or the original consoles.

Hypothetically speaking... Would it be possible to make a 1:1 simulation in the FPGA if they were trying to replicate the original hardware?

>>5960413
>When you're tempted to take an unreasonably purist perspective like "anything that isn't a precise recreation of the original processors is emulation" try to remember that even real consoles went through multiple hardware revisions where different chipsets that executed functions differently.
I don't see a point with FPGA if were not for that... Why not just go with emulation? It'll work perfectly with 99,9% of the retro games.

>>5960636

You guys are arguing over the wrong point. There are no good Gameboy clone consoles out there. Analog could finally deliver on the dream.

>>5960636
>Hypothetically speaking... Would it be possible to make a 1:1 simulation in the FPGA if they were trying to replicate the original hardware?
Hypothetically speaking, absolutely. That's literally what FPGAs are made to do. Practically speaking, it's unlikely to happen in the near future until it becomes a matter of actual historical preservation which is decades away. FPGAs have a specific number of gates in different models and I don't know if the ones they're using in these devices are even large enough to recreate the Ricoh in the SNES which hasn't even been decapped and mapped yet (so no one can even say for sure yes or no) without taking advantages of the innovations emulator authors have made over a couple decades. Like I said it's comparable to reinventing the wheel which is something it'll take a different kind of (archeological) mentality to want to do someday when the real consoles are actually vanishing, FPGAs are way bigger and scanning electron microscopes are way cheaper.

>Why not just go with emulation? It'll work perfectly with 99,9% of the retro games
Well that's the thing. Yes, we're getting emulators that can truly work PERFECTLY but they're resource hogs when they're run on PC and mobile devices the size of this Analogue Pocket really are far from perfect. Translating the highly accurate emulators we have to run inside much more efficient FPGAs allows a combination of size/efficiency and accuracy there's no other way to currently achieve but yeah its much cheaper to settle for one and the other - high accuracy on desktop emulators, high mobility on phones and hacked portable consoles and I guess Raspberry Pis that you can snap together and feel like you "made something yourself"

But bottom line is that a device like this has the potential to be the best of both worlds. Something even the most discerning aficionados (other than real hardware purists) might do ALL their retro gaming on both on the go and docked to their TV/monitor

>>5960652
AGS-101 is a good Gameboy clone console

>>5960845
I see. Thanks for the info.

>>5960636
>Hypothetically speaking... Would it be possible to make a 1:1 simulation in the FPGA if they were trying to replicate the original hardware?
It's not hypothetical. We already told you that FPGAs are a form of circuitry that can be "transformed" (programmed really) into any circuit. If you have the design of the original chip, it wouldn't be hypothetical, you could program the FPGA and it would work exactly like that chip. Well, there's a little bit more to that, in fact in a FPGA you trade speed for flexibility: they are less flexible than CPUs but faster, at the same time they are slower than pure circuits, as you need 3 nand gates to replicate a OR gate for example. Look anon, save for having the exact original chip remade, everything is gonna be "emulation". The thing is you can go really low level with FPGAs, to the point of emulating the original chip itself. Idk about you, but I'd say that's more than enough and trying to go further is a bit ridiculous...

>>5961107
It's better just to use the original hardware. I thought that this Analogue thing was different.

>>5961175
What exactly are you expecting? FPGAs are basically chips that are programmed to simulate other chips in one package. Hardware wise aside from a re-release from the manufacturer you will not get any closer to original hardware.

>>5961696
As the mini consoles have proven, re-releases from the original manufacturer are much farther from the original hardware.

>>5959763
Well if someone said that's "impossible" then he's a bullshitter. So what you do now is take everything he said and assume it to be bullshit. Then reevaluate based on that. Also, keep in mind that there won't be more than a few people ITT who actually know what they're talking about with regards to what's possible. All the other "experts" have at most 10 minutes of wikipedia/blog experience with FPGAs.

>>5961732
Mini consoles are their own thing and cheaper to manufacture, not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the actual hardware revisions that were out during the original time frame being released again. Which wouldn't happen because some components are not even manufactured by whoever supplied Nintendo or whatever company who made whatever console anymore. That's my whole point.

>>5960424
Super NT
Super Game Boy
Everdrive GB

>>5961696
>programmed to simulate other chips in one package.
They're not simulating the chips. They're simulating reverse engineering of accurate emulators. That's different.

>>5961743
True. I think you're right.
First you are reading that they're basically putting the chip inside the FPGA, then you're reading that they're actually simulating a chip that's just like the cycle accurate emulators.p

Which one is it?
Only the developers can answer.

>>5961965
Like everyone else ITT I've been working with FPGAs, CPLDs, PEELs, GALs PLAs, etc for decades. The only difference is I'm not LARPing. It's not hard to explain, or even understand FPGAs but it's hard to accept reality if it doesn't fit with your agenda. Aside from the few people ITT who are literally retarded that's the only thing stopping anyone from understanding this shit.
Putting "a chip" in a FPGA is as easy as adding the IP to your project, compiling and burning. The question is what is that chip. Is it a Sharp LR35902? Almost certainly not. Is it close enough? Maybe. Could be be? Yes, if enough time and effort was put into that's possible. That's all there is to it. FPGAs are a tool. And just like having a box of tools doesn't magically make you able to make a car, having an FPGA doesn't magically make you able to make accurate clones.

>>5962059
I see. So would I be wrong if I though that the Analogue consoles may be accurate enough, but still not close to the real thing?

If that's the case, I don't think it's worth it. It's just more cycle accurate than the emulators, but the emulators are good enough.

>>5962123
You wouldn't be "wrong", you would just have an opinion that some people with higher standards disagree with. But there's no disputing analogues are definitely not close to the real thing. The real things can't do all sorts of thing the analogues can and the analogues sometimes have to make compromises to do those things. If you "need" all the features the analogues have then they're really you're only option and worth the money. If not, a cheap old yellowed console will be more accurate and a lot cheaper.

Looks neat
>remember I don't live in the US, and Analogue has retarded shipping rates
oh

Guess I'll just spend that money on a Hori pad for my GB Player.

>>5962394
I live in the UK, yes buying the Mega SG cost me £45 shipping, but I got it in less than 48 hours.

Contra Installments Comparison
https://youtu.be/OmXwnQjB-Mc

I wish they'd do an fpga Neo Geo

>>5962539
The Mister box has an fpga Neo Geo if you just want that, but yeah an Analogue NG would be cum in your pants amazing.

>>5962542
The mister doesn't play carts iirc right? Also this is gonna sound autistic, but I don't like the presentation of it. It looks like some Raspberry Pi box and the whole plugging in being the power switch is a turn off and detracts from the console experience.

>>5962548
>this is gonna sound autistic,
>sounds very autists
good call

>>5962548
I agree, I like the look of the analogues and it adds to the experience, they are like modern versions of the old consoles, they have the same feeling.

Mister boxes look cheap and crappy and it takes away from the comfy feeling. Yeah misters don't play carts.

>>5962548
I feel you on that. It bugs me even with shit like scart switches where they're in shitty clear plastic cases or open air PCBs. Terrible presentation, and it's even worse for a console where it's going to be visible on a media chest or right next to your TV. At least with a switch you can tuck it away and not look at it. I'm not super into analogue's style but at least it's polished.

>>5962542
Analogue's first product was the NG.

>>5962613
Those were console-ized MVS boards in fancy enclosures though right? I think anon wants an FPGA NG. Would be cool to have one that can play MVS and AES carts.

>>5962629
Oh, I see. Yeah, they were consolized mvs.

>>5962123
Something like this, a "Pocket" FPGA really has the capacity to deliver an unassailable experience right now though. Real consoles are more authentic yes and PC emulation is more flexible but neither is efficient enough to be practically used as a handheld and things like hacked handhelds or raspberry pis in handheld cases are far less accurate.

Assuming it will have good core support, it could be a very good product.

>>5951758
I like the concept, but are any NG pocket or GGear games worth giving a fuck about? I feel like in practice it's just an expensive GBA SP with a better display. The dock is cool, but will probably be expensive. I feel like you can use a Gamecube GBA player running GBI software to play games on your TV for much cheaper.

>>5963016
I grew up playing GG. My favorite games on it that are exclusives are Sonic Triple Trouble and the MMPR fighting games.

>>5963016
>are any NG pocket or GGear games worth giving a fuck about?
...yes?

>SP+Gamecube+GBA player (+VGA cable)
I know it's safe to assume most anons have some of that stuff already or a line on it cheap/free but at market prices that's $200+ right there.

Presumably the dock for this beast won't be over $100 and hopefully more like $50 or less

The only thing I would want to use it for is game boy color games and the backlit mod for GBC is good enough, not going to throw away $200 but I would happily accept a donation for one.

>>5962348
I see. I have most of the consoles, but if I want to play in a bigger screen I'll just go with emulation.

Emulation is good enough for me, except for the N64 and PS1, PS2 which I'll just go with CRT and S-video. It's more than enough for me.

Thanks anon.

>>5962938
Yeah, as a portable product it makes sense.

>>5960845
So in other words. A PC-based cycle accurate solution has to create a virtual software environment of all the functions of the console to run the game, and translate all the functions into a format the host device recognises in real time, (so kind of like a virtual machine), whereas an FPGA can be reprogammed with the specifications to physically match the capabilities of the chip 1-2-1 and just run the software in a more native environment cutting out all the overhead of software emulation since there's nothing to translate and check over if it's working.
Is that right? I'm never quite sure about how FPGAs work.

>>5963031
I hope analogue release this and the dock at the same time. They're real jews about their shipping. It was $30 for the Super Nt to California and paying shipping for the pocket then shipping for the dock would suck.

>>5958728
This will be great for ngpc as a lot of games used the start button in game, which was always awkward. Same goes for some game gear and pc engine if that's a thing.

>>5963180
>the backlit mod for GBC is good enough
And about half the screen size.

As someone who never used a NGP, how well will a D-pad translate to its micro-switch thumbstick.

>>5963368

>>5951758
I fucking hate it same as I do with most analogue products.
Mostly because I can't seem to justify the price, I do like their stuff tho

>>5963358
>>the backlit mod for GBC is good enough
>And about half the screen size.
And about half the price

>>5963368
It will be totally playable, but that micro-switch stick is truly unique.

>>5963031
>but at eBay prices that's $200+

>>5963568
You could get a GBA player and gamecube for like $70. Fuck the disc use GBI for free and have a playable gba/gbc/gb player for your TV.

>>5963368
>>5963550
Yeah, it won't be a huge trade-off, but that stick was awesome. I had a NGPC and want to get one again just for the stick, even if I'll probably use the Pocket as my main NGPC system.

>>5963376
You just said two completely polarized statements in one short post.

>>5963390
And about 1/5 of the games.

>>5963590
Same, I ended up with one in some schoolyard trade and it was a blast. Not sure what happened to it. That stupid clock battery was a pain in the ass though. Looking forward to the Analogue Pocket, will be really fun for NGPC and Lynx, not to mention awesome for my Game Boy Camera hipster faggotry

Im way ahead of you bitches

This seems interesting, however my cursory research into Analogue reveals they have a history of price-gouging with their shipping costs.
At 80 USD to ship to Australia (which is apparently what they demanded for the Super NT) that's beyond prohibitively expensive. What the fuck.

>>5963740
Yeah, it's ridiculous. I paid almost $40 for UPS Ground for shipping to Illinois.

>>5963574
I suppose I could. It'd be sorta awkward insisting I pay 2-3x what the seller was asking but I'm sure they'd take the deal.

>>5963615
That aspect ratio is wack. I prefer my backlit pocket

>>5963596

For a few systems that virtually nobody cares about besides a few niche autist collector types

>>5963615
>>5963832

step aside you two

>>5963858
>additional cores offering accurate reproductions of portable systems in the modern era using current technology
>I don't care about these extra systems
>therefore no one does

I get why they went with the GB/GBC design, but considering 4/6 systems it plays are in a landscape layout, I wish they would've put the buttons on the side of the screen. It's much more comfortable.

>>5964076
Nah, fuck off. I can actually play this thing with one hand, and that's fucking awesome.

>>5964076
The GBP is the most aesthetic handheld ever. It's true that with, like, phones its more comfortable to play in a horizontal orientation but I'm sure this thing won't be top heavy.

>>5964098
It's not the weight distribution, but having my hands so close cramps them after a while also has small shoulder buttons do to being more veritcal unlike the GBA og, Micro, or even DS wider shoulders.

>>5964157
Why would having your hands a couple inches closer together make them cramp? It's about the position your fingers and wrists are in.

Any idea when this could realistically go up for pre-order?

>>5963864
>people pay 60 bucks for a gbc """remake"""

>>5964176
>he would prefer some knock off handheld with third rate ergonomics than an actual Nintendo seal of quality third generation handheld of the golden era of gaming

>>5964165
Can't get as good as a grip maybe idk? I modded an OG GBA with an IPS display because my hands didn't like the shape of an AGS-101 SP.

I don't have the SP anymore to check my hand position, but I'd imagine the difference in shape would have definitely had an impact on my comfort.

>>5964165
>Why would having your hands a couple inches closer together make them cramp?
Because having them so close together on such a small device makes you curl them up in uncomfortable ways.

>>5964226
>>5964230
It's because the GBA is THICKER than the SP. Very thin handheld cause you to "pinch" the controls which definitely can give you hand cramps

I had the SP and my hands would cramp. Same with my GBC. I don't have this problem with my AGB. However, I do sometimes get cramps with long sessions with my DS Lite.

Weird.

>>5964234
The SP also has corners that dig into your palms, which sucks.

>>5963864
>purple

Please. Make way for a real man's gameboy.

>>5963864
Please. Make way for a REAL man's gameboy.

>>5951758
Analogue = For people who want perfect 1 for 1 gameplay on a modern system with options.

Old dying shit heap consoles made from toxic plastics and bromines = For trailer park trash using their dead parents hand me down brown wood furniture.

>>5964340
Fuck yeah, hell kitty with that juice nyaa pussy

>>5964336
>>5964340
Sit down children

I wish this would hurry up and release.

>>5951758
I think I might get it, the GB/C and GBA have several carts that benefit from the physicality of them that you can't conveniently replicate. Of the ones I own, Kirby's Tilt 'N Tumble, and Wario Ware Twisted come to mind, along with the GameBoy Camera.

I still have my SP (not an AGS-101), but it isn't ideal (Kirby for instance I need to use an Action Replay to flip the orientation), and the Pocket might be more convenient especially with the dock and potential for more cores (although without Kevtris, those don't seem that likely).

>>5964176
But it’s got a new exciting color dungeon

>>5964857
I want preorders to open right around my payday, where it would be more convenient to blow $200 (plus shipping) at once.

>>5964982
Put it in your piggy bank and pretend it's "pre-ordered"

>>5964985
But I don't have a piggy bank.

>>5964997
So you're an adult then just don't spend it

>>5965015
This. I'm just taking the cash out so I have it set aside and don't spend it.

>>5964340
unironically based, pretty jealous

>>5964982
>minimum wage cuck junkie needs it's fix
kek

I wonder when they annouced their previous console and when it went up for preorder.

What do you think they'll do regarding controllers for the docked version?
Are analogue devices usually Bluetooth compatible? Will they make their own unique Hori Gameboy Player-esque control for it?

>>5966568
Will probably work with 8bitdo controllers

>>5966558
Same day.

>>5966568
>>5966583
Their site literally says the dock will have Bluetooth and USB ports.

Their previous devices don't have Bluetooth, but 8bitdo makes Bluetooth receivers for them.

What're even gbc games worth playing?

>>5966905
https://vsrecommendedgames.fandom.com/wiki/Game_Boy_Color

>inb4 wry comments

>>5966905
>What're even zoomerisms?

>>5954251
i agree anon, i was just pointing out it's a common thing they share. as long as they literally aren't fucking dogs idgaf. i want my retro shit.

OVERPRICED TRASH AND YOU ARE A SHILL

>>5964607
You're not even on my level bitch.

Fucking release it already ree I have tubs of games and ROMs ready to go.

*block your path*

how can they even compete?

it' simple, they can't.

>>5967369
ugly buttons ugly design bad screen

Looks like the buttons have different tops. The left and top ones are either flat or concave. Neat.

>>5967312
thiccboi

>>5952665
Check Amazon Japan. I bought that black one I modded for about $60 with shipping included and it was like new condition.

>>5952193
The chips used on most consoles are part analog and I'm not talking about the DACs. That's why they sound different on board revisions. When the process changes, the sound changes.
Later sound hardware is digital apart from the DACs and can produce consistent sound even after process improvements.

>>5952904
While it would be possible (you'd really be closing or opening a tab on the base of the card) the actual flash cart design wouldn't be able to share much. There would have to be both a GB/Z80 menu system and a GBA/ARM menu that loads roms into an FPGA with all of the cores necessary for all the GB mappers and the GBA mappers. In practice you'd be paying only a little bit less than buying two separate flash carts.

>>5969135
It's been done champ. Back when flash was expensive it was much cheaper to not double up on that. But thanks for the keks with your kidsplaining.

>>5967312
Back in the 90's I made my sister sit on this and she started giggling and bouncing up and down but then it cracked and I screamed and slapped her across the face. We still barely talk now, we were close until that, now she thinks I'm like our abusive father.

>>5970773
>made my sister sit on this
>made
>hit her when the natural conclusion of somebody sitting on things happens
nigger you literally set her up to beat her. based

>>5970773
>now she thinks I'm like our abusive father.
she's right

>>5951758
Still shilling this scam?

>>5971775
seething poorfag

>>5951807
The best way to play GBC games is via a Gameboy Macro (half of a DS lite)

>>5964607
>>5967312
Both uncomfortable to use. Both have shit sound. Both have crap lights. Both have crap magnification. Both pretenders. Now make way for the King, you filth.

>>5971909
Are you a zoomer or is there actually a way to play gbc games on a DS?

>>5972709
emulate it with flashcard

>>5972716
>emulation
what's the point in that case a Psp is better

>>5972727
also 10 times more expensive.

Why did they go with the gameboy aspect ratio instead of the gba widescreen? I don't mind gba games being shown in a gb micro sized display, but regular gameboy games are gonna blown the fuck up. Should've just been widescreen so everything is consistent

>>5951758
How much code do you guys think Kevtris stole this time?

>>5973331
Because it's the resolution they could source at the price and quality they were looking for. Another anon said its the screen that goes in some brand of vr headset.

>>5973331
With the PPI of this display GBA games will appear almost the same size as they do a GBA SP. Its just slightly smaller in width in comparison. With the high pixel count you shouldn't notice any pixel scaling either even though it won't be 1:1 with GBA titles unlike the rest of the handhelds it supports.

>>5951758
Like the rest of Analogue's products, I think it's neat but will almost certainly never own one since I've owned other stuff that can play the games for it for years.

>>5973331
dont be shocked if they refresh the product with a gba layout in a year or two

>>5971909
>emulation
nah, I'll stick with my ags-101, or if modifications are allowed, an original GBA with an ags-101 screen for the hand comfort

>>5951758
kinda want one, it supposedly plays gameboy, gbc, gba, gamegear, and neo geo pocket color games

>>5973705
How fucking autistic are you? What the fuck do you mean "supposedly" it says what it fucking plays you prick.

>>5974583
Rude.

>>5964340
>uneven pixel size
disgusting

>>5951758
>Thoughts on the Analogue Pocket
Literally the only appealing feature is the HDMI out dock, and you might as well just get a GameCube with a GB Player and Carby for that money.

>>5976919
It’s pixel perfect, only downside is being slightly smaller.

>>5965987
Thanks man. I got lucky and got it for $70 because it says He’ll Kitty instead of Hello. I don’t think the seller knows how few of these there are, only like 2000 of them were made according to Console Variations database

>>5970773
>now she thinks I'm like our abusive father.
She's correct.

>>5977581
or a GBA Consolizer