/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Currently looking for mappers, testers, and anyone else who can help.
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

=== NEWS ===

[10-14]Jon st.Jon (duke nukem) is doing the voice for postal dude in postal 4
https://www.dualshockers.com/postal-4-no-regrets-reveal-early-access-launch/

[10-13]Freedoom 0.12.0 has been released
https://freedoom.github.io/

[10-13]Doom 4 Vanilla updated to 2.0
brings in an entire new optional weapon set.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-v20-new-extra-weapons/

[10-8] Bury My Heart Knee Deep finished.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102605-bury-my-heart-knee-deep-updated-10819/

[10-8] Doom Eternal delayed until March 20, 2020
https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/1181569967562612736 (embed)

[10-2] Bobby Prince suing Greasy Bastard over unpaid royalties from DN3D World Tour
https://www.pcgamer.com/duke-nukem-3d-composer-sues-randy-pitchford-gearbox-and-valve/

[10-1] Some new Hexen maps
https://www.moddb.com/games/hexen/addons/lepistus
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=65993

[9-30] Kaiser developing a ROTT source port
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1178453896123109376 (embed)

[9-29] AMC TC v3.6 released, supports OpenGL
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/downloads/the-amc-tc-episodes-1-2-and-3

[9-29] DBP17 mapping to start next month, with an Aliens or horror theme
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1567/ti-community-dbp17

[9-29] Yet another beta release for Colorful Hell
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1119980#p1119980

[9-27] Night Time Terror, 6 map demo
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/109137-night-time-terror-6-map-demo-final-update-hopefully/

[9-27] Doom Delta v2.2 preview
[YouTube] Doom Delta v2.2 preview on Doom the Way iD Did (E2M3) (embed)

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I'm trying to play Quake 3 Arena but when I get to the main menu the game simply freezes. What the fuck this is not how I remember my boomer shooter.

>>5951798
>>5951804
From Postal 4.

>>5951828
I suppose murphy black did the entire thing seeing that the map is using DooM textures and apparantly it's seems to have fireblu as skybox

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1lMu0-BjRjg-Ises33gKWMVZFcaP64k-m

After the whole thing with HuH i wanted to remake my map, it's slightly more compat, the skelteon is somewhat there, the only thing missing is some enemies placements but the layout is relatively done.

>>5951867
That is an improvement.
The whole thing turned out so unpopular that I don't think anyone ever saw the dopefish and brush toilet I put in my map.

>>5951828
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJ5s2n7ZIGg

>>5951903

Randomly posting this for no reason.

Your face? Your ass?
Both very cute sweetie! ^_^

>>5951903
I thought Romero couldn't get any more based?

>>5948660
>>5946912
>>5950384
Half life has objectively bad level design.

>>5951853
So did Postal 3 and that was a buggy unstable piece of shit.
Yes, Postal 2 wasn't that well optimized either but it was a million times more fun.

>>5951919
Damn,being owned by Greasy Bastard and unused really had a bad effect on Duke.
Poor fellow.

>>5951961
Randy Must Die

>>5951961
That's because P3 was developed by Russians. I don't know, it's like if you are Russian you can't be a game developer because your game is bound to be shit or something. Probably not true before, idk, 2000-ish? Nowadays this is pure fact

>>5951867
Glad to see people sticking with TrenchBroom after the fact.

>>5951978
Among the games developed in Russia there's COD Modern Warfare 2,which is actually a great game. But overall their track record is just weird.
Among the Doom community they seem to be quite good.

About Postal 3,it was also published by Akella which published that russian expansion for Postal 2,Corkscrew Rules.
Didn't play it but from what I heard is absolute garbage. Both on a level design and humor standpoint(outdated 2000s russian memes)

>>5951994
Oh apparently the Blitzkrieg games were also made by russian too. Those are good.

>>5951994
>>5952000
Thank you for the input. It's weird that a few exceptions still exist, but it's even weirder that there's no in-between in quality regarding their works. They either develop a literal miracle, or some absymal joke. Perhaps I'm just generalizing a little too much.

>>5952008
It goes for any devs.
Same for Doom mods.
D4T is like a great balance of Vanilla and Doom 4 and is less janky and cluttered than Doom 4 Doom. It's made by a russian.

American and Brazilian modders fall in this too.

>>5951978
russians are for hacks, ports and emulators

>>5952029
What is this? It's so silly that I want to use it.

>>5951889
Was it this one anon?

>>5952060
https://turoksanctum.com/fun-sway-1-0-0-0/

>>5951798
Hexen but someone makes an MMO based on it.

>>5951994
P3 and that addon are mostly on the publisher, as they chose some noname student devs for the job, whose only claim to fame before that were couple of super-obscure janky racing games in the style of Big Rigs.

>>5952157
Wasn't there some Zandronum fork server that could transmigrate people between separate servers as they crossed the zones or something? That was done for some specific surv mod, but still.
I definitely remember seeing something like that.

>>5951828
St. John SUCKS as the Postal Dude

>>5952071
I want to do this shit so bad but hacking into a console will never not freak me the fuck out. Just the prospect alone.

>>5952218
>zoomboy afraid to take ownership of things he owns
lmao, practice on your thinkpad first

i mayke the quayke

>>5952284
Reminds me of that one Babylonian level in Serious Sam the second encounter.

Threadly reminder to play Jedi Knight. Also, use the LOD mods, because it

>>5952326
i remember playing it and thinking it was boring and bad

>>5952326
Looks hilariously blurry without them. I just beat it using a P3/Voodoo 3 system.

>>5951798
Which will come first:
Zandronum with full Vulkan support, Geforce support, and a new Multiplayer mode
OR
GZDoom getting a less iffy multiplayer setup

Multiple Cyberdemons

>>5952364
Is it me or Flame bois here look gigantic?

>>5952364
Nice, he's not locked to a single boss fight.
The classic weapon sounds still sound amazing as well

>>5952373
They sound out of place for everything but the plasma gun. The most important part of that clip was confirming a train level.

John Romero is disgusted by the last Doom/Quake related image you saved.
What is it?

>>5952364
> plutonia
> but in DE and with snow

>>5952370
They've always been pretty tall.

>>5952386
Yes but here they look almost as big as Cybie

>>5952386
6'0 vs 5'11
sorry

>>5952364
What video is this from?

>>5952394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiyMQ00I84c

>>5952395
>Demonic Slayer
That's a fucking oxymoron

>>5951798
What map?

>More Pre-Order and DLCs
Eternal better have tons more content than all this so far. They better do not pull a Blizzard or EA.

>>5952407
None of this is new information, we just have footage of it now.

>>5952397
he who fights monsters and all that, i guess

>>5952393
>mfw I'm inbetween.

>>5952410
I don't recall they showed this stuff on their Twitter or website.
Anyway this game better deliver.
Doom Eternal is literally the only upcoming game I'm hyped right now.
If it doesn't,I'll lose that last bit of hope for triple A devs.

>>5952420
Preorder stuff has been announced since like E3, possibly even before.

>>5952407
I really hope this campaign DLC they're talking about is stuff they plan on making after the game is done, not stuff they're gonna cut off the main game and sell as DLC.

>>5952417

>mfw I'm below both.

>>5952202
I think he could be pretty good, it's just the way that he delivers his lines that's really off. It's lacking any cynicism or lethargy, and most the time feels like he's doing stand-up comedy or something. I don't get why they couldn't bring Rick Hunter back or even Cory Cruise because he did a better job than most people seem to give him credit for.

>>5952247
It's more the fact that some consoles allow for it and some others may or may not. Also just the sheer contrivancy of it. The fucked over homebrew since the Wii days.

>>5952423
I know but I didn't expect to be this much.
I'm glad we're getting more content but the idea that there could be even more it might be cut content from the main game is quite a scam.

>>5952426
Same,I seriously want it to be good and not nothing it could've easily been on the main game or even worse a short campaign with reused assets like New Colossus.

>>5952382

doom wiki or doom wikia

>>5952382

>>5952485
Which one is bloated with ads/bullshit and which isn't?

>>5952443
>>5952426
The DLC isnt from the DoomGuy/Slayer/whatevers PoV so I don't imagine it will be. Think this was confirmed a while back

>>5952403
Rubicon rumble pack, i think

>>5952492
The only place ive heard that was a "leaker" on /v/, and that was disconfirmed.

>>5952486
why does this remind me of golden axe?

>>5952460
> 33.3% MORE NIPS

>>5952513
Might be because of the text that flies around in the title screen

nearly forgot to post this here, another scene down, nearly done with the art shit for the trailer.

>>5952326
I play jedi academy multiplayer every now and then
it's not /vr/

>>5952460
nudoom's designs are so fucking bad
eternal looks a fair bit better

>>5952435
correct, Cory Cruise is a better postal dude than Jon St. John
he sounds like he's doing a bad Rick Hunter impression, more to the point he sounds OLD, which he is and like a DORK which he also is

>>5952442
you buy it, it's your right to fuck it
fuck "warranty void" stickers

>>5952606
do not fuck the switch

>>5951867
Now it's looking much more like a skeleton!

>>5951889
Was it unpopular? I thought the maps were mostly good or decent, maybe one or two flaws which could have been worked on.

I think I found at least two toilets.

>>5951867
I want you to keep updating this map concept until it becomes a hyper-realistic anatomically correct skeleton.

>>5952610
isn't it just running some off the shelf UNIX-like OS anyway? Fuck it hard until nitnendo seal of approval spontaneously appears on the screen

lost souls btfo

>>5952527
That looks amazing. How many frames are they?

hey mini painting guy from last thread, what paints are you using
also, what iteration of doom minis do you have

>>5952639
Now if only there were a System Quake 1 or System Quake 2.

>>5952641
That scene consists of 4 frames, unless you're asking like, how many scenes I've got total, which that totals to like 6, a few are just still images like pic related and a few are animated.

>>5952646
berry difficult to achieve system shock architecture in the doom engine
sector over sector is possible but a pain in the ass AFAIK

>>5952646
Q1's level design wouldn't really work for it, but Q2 would probably be pretty cool.

>>5952648
Oh yeah I meant just that gif, or scene as you call it.

I really like the animation. Those arcadey palette swap flashes when well done are super neat.

>>5952658
Yeah, taking notes from Shatterhand's intro and working with a small color palette. Though I had a friend help my colorblind ass with picking out the right colors for the lighting effects for Kustam's staff spin.
This guy was easy as I just knicked the colors straight from the bad guy's sprites in Shatterhand

>>5952613
>Was it unpopular?

not in the sense people hated it, more in the fact that it didnt cause much of a splash, which is to be expected since it was an amateur project.
as of now it only has 7 ratings on quaddicted and two comments going "yeah this was neat"

>>5952651
It's a lot easier these days if you use static sector portals instead of 3D floors (which are godawful to work with once you start stacking several over each other to build complex things).

With sector portals, you basically have two sectors of the exact same shape where the roof of one is the exact same level as the floor of the other. To make a floating platform then, you only have to extrude a little bit of roof in the ceiling of one room, and a little of bit of floor in the other. I think.

>>5952643
Hey, I use Reaper MSP because they come in sets of three, and are cheaper than Citadel's paints, which apparently have some issues. I use Citadel's washes like Nuln Oil and stuff though, because it's an easy way for a shitter like me to do shading.
If by iteration you're asking how old the minis are, the answer is a mix of them. I bought the whole Bethesda set last December, and I have a few original and Doom 3 releases from ebay.

Protip: If you have money out the ass, I'd say go for the very expensive first wave listings online. The original '96 releases are made of a different material, have the sculptors' names on the bases, and aren't cursed with Bethesda's copyright on the bottom.

>>5952460
Holy shit doom 64 one has some juicy puffy hentai nipples.

Damn.

>>5952378
>The most important part of that clip was confirming a train level.
or the cybermancubus if you catch im in the marauder punch part
a train level was already revealed in a stadia trailer

>>5952750
There was a stadia trailer?

>>5952364
Colors of the textures could be amped up, but model wise, THAT is a pump shotty. I bet it'd look even better when centered (if Eternal has the option)

Also when's someone gonna take that Revenant and make memes out of his pose?

>>5952774
Yeah, the shotgun with no upgrades actually looks like a weapon now, I like it. Will look better with wooden furniture.
They confirmed the centered viewmodel coming back at Quakecon.

>>5952774
"Pump shotty" kill yourself

>>5952787
Are you well, anon? Drink some water.

>>5952778
The D44M default shotty looked kinda weird to me at first, but it grew on me, even if I liked the explosive shot mod variant a lot more. This is a classic looking shotgun tho, almost looks like the classic shotty.

Also I wonder how id's port of Doom 64 will fare on PC? Seeing how D64 EX works fine overall.

>>5952791
Are you a faggot? Yes you are. Drink some more cum.

>>5952774
The environments are looking pretty fucking baller to me, don't see what issues some people pick up on.

PUMP SHOTTY IS SO KINO!!

>>5952801
Yea dude, and im stoked for the new pump shotty.

>>5952792
Night Dive is handling the point, so it's likely to be exactly D64EX.

>>5952807

>>5952810

>>5952815
Revenants shuffling about in tight spaces never fails to amuse me.

What are some good doom wads designed with jumping in mind?
I'm playing DRLA+DRPG and I want to use double jumping for something else other than occasionally breaking map progression.

https://youtu.be/MGTw7tvVYGg

>>5952819
Good question, I can only think of the Golden Souls 1 and 2, though that's obviously a full blown TC, you could always look into the DUMP series of WADs, as they were made with jumping and crouching in mind, though whether or not the people who made the maps actually incorporated that stuff into them varies

You know what to do when the time comes.

>>5952774
is that a cube made of skulls?
kinda cool

>>5952840

>>5952819
alfonzone?

>>5952429
5'10 is possibly the worst height to be, and that's where I'm at. I have to get buff and really lean to be even sort-of an item. Fuck height to be honest.

>>5946238
Another thing about the Marauder is that his gameplay may not make him a good rival
Because a thing with rivals is that they usually play like the main character but with differences, sometimes making you think they're cooler than your character
Doom Eternal is marketed around the idea of Doomguy's power level and he's revealed to have a lot of attacks and weapons
Marauder doesn't even have a shoulder cannon or arm blade to resemble the DG, only an axe, SSG and maybe some grenades if those skulls in concept art meant anything
It's probably why he's better off as an enemy, specially if it brings back the idea of enemies carrying the same guns as the player and originally working close to him until they were "corrupted" (Because possessed soldiers don't even have the advanced weaponry you can use and AFAIK, Slayer isn't really tied to the UAC)
Unless he has different phases where he actually ends up resembling Doomguy and even becomes stronger

>>5952847
I wouldn't trust toothpaste that looks like that.

>>5952840
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDCQY6nHsbI

>console controls
>The most inaccurate weapons I've ever used in a FPS
>Teeny tiny hitboxes

Fucking hell

Just admit hl is bad.

>>5952787
Enhance your calm.

>>5952794
That's quite a lewd and brazen invitation.

>>5952847
That looks less like toothpaste and more like dish soap.

>>5952442
>It's more the fact that some consoles allow for it and some others may or may not
>all Nintendo Switches sold before July 2018 can run custom firmware. Switches sold after this point may only be exploitable if they are on firmware 4.1.0
is not a random thing, anon

>>5952928
guns suck in jedi knight games, duh, that's why you have a lightsaber
controls are fine, they just have different movement physics/animations for singleplayer and multiplayer
one fels choppy the other feels floaty, but you get used to it

>>5952395
I can't see this, I mean, isn't even loading

>>5952981
EB Games took it down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-G8f5OTXrc

>>5952985
what the fuck is that "classic" shotgun sound
it sounds like a dog sneeze

>>5952442
it's not at all nuanced. but you may risk getting banned

>>5953004
you don't own your console, you merely rent it
microshaft wants to do the same with windows PCs no doubt

>>5953004
Oh no, you might not be able to play all of the worthwhile online Switch games like _____.

>>5952985
my yt died

>>>/v/481795009
>you told him to go back
>he did
I like HLfag, may he live a long life

>>5951798

Is there a list of wads that use the Doom 64 and PSX aestetics and music? Because I love that stuff and want more of it. Hopefully something a bit harder.

>>5953000
It's obviously fading into some other sound that was edited in.

>>5953032
Good fucking riddance

>>5953026
So I wasn't the only one
And here I thought that I had a virus or something like that

>>5953036
You can load the PSX assets in any wad by putting it under the others in load order or by using the dehacked files

>>5953026
Same. I guess is just YT being the usual broken mess.

>>5953043
... what? tell me where you hear even a bit of the classic shotgun sound in that clip. if that's the result of editing, then it's fucking terrible editing.

>>5953073
It's barely audible under the hell knight's ground pound attack.

>>5953061

Yeah it'd look like this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsCv4Vf2cTg

But it would lack the psx doom lighting style. I know there's been some that have been built up from the ground up with the psx/64 graphics style from the start. I played a few. I can't find them now since just searching brings up the ports and remakes of D64.

>>5953080
nope. I've listened to it like 50 times now trying to find it - it ain't there. what is there is some dog sneeze sound, the ground pound, and what sounds like a new pain sound underneath the classic doomguy pain sound. and I know that dog sneeze can't be the shotgun sound, because the shotgun sound doesn't go up in pitch.
it's probably not like that in the actual game, but christ that is bad editing.

>>5953036
Threshold Of Pain is great

>>5953095
>>5953073
The sound does play at a lower volume you dense motherfucker, it's obscured by the whooshing sound effect almost as it starts to play. what are we gonna need to pull up for you, a sound spectrogram?

>>5953095
>>5953073
this matters why

>>5953107
dude, I have listened to it more times than I should've, and I can't hear it. I've turned my volume up high as I can handle it, and I wear decent headphones, and even when I'm doing my damn best to hear it, I can't hear it anywhere in that clip. not the firing sound, not the pumping sound, just that weird sneeze right when he shoots. I don't know what to tell you besides that.

>>5953110
I'm just baffled that in this clip meant to demo the classic shotgun sound, I can't actually hear the classic shotgun sound, even when I'm trying my best to hear it.

>>5952774
Center view will return since it was in Doom 2016

>>5953095
>>5953137
I can make out the faint start of it going 'brrrt' before the whooshing comes in super loudly. not like the rest of the world doesn't already know the distinctive sound of the doom shotgun being actioned. it's going to be there either way.

Half life is basically Nirvana
It came along and destroyed hair-metal and was emulated by many then killed itself and now everyone looks back and makes fun of it and realizes it sucked

>>5952382

>>5951798
Why is Quake behind fucking Chex Quest

>>5953046
What happened here!?

>>5952382

>>5953235
Quake remake on the Painkiller engine.

>>5953236
painkiller has a level editor, get cracking, fuckboy

You know what must be done.
Find Carmack.
And give him a copy of Daikatana to sign.

>>5953235
What the fuck

>>5953251
>He proceeds to write "I did not make this game" and the entire source code for Quake 3 on the cover

>>5953172
yeah... the more I listen to it, the less I'm convinced.
it's things like the classic plasma rifle sound lacking the crackle of DSPLASMA, the rocket launcher's second shot having a super mistimed fire sound (the non-classic sound plays at the right time, the classic sound doesn't), and that the "whooshing" noise you guys keep talking about sounds like an upscaled 11kHz sound and matches up with the shotgun firing sound in the spectrogram (and to my disappointment, that dog sneeze actually matches up with DSSHOTGN), that make me worry that id fucked the sounds up.

oh, and their leaning into the overplayed memes is stupid too, but you didn't need me to tell you that

>>5953236
Poster of >>5953235 here. I think that pic is from Quake 1.5 mod tbqh.

>>5953267
I think it's neat that they're pushing through with these things and they're only amounting to minor aesthetic changes, but I wouldn't do a serious run with them or anything. Also given I don't have the game on pre-order it's one fear less for me.

Half-Life is directly responsible for the exponential lowering of IQ of gamers

>>5953184
why's BJ drawn like Kakyoin? In the games he's built like a tank, almost identical to Doomguy

>>5952527
That's a lot of gnats

tell me about the plasma gun. why does doomguy hug it when he fires it

>>5952639
Target lock: Ass

>>5952646
>"Join me, and we can rule together!"
>zooooom
>"HUH"

>>5953395
I don’t know. That’s just how the artist draws him.

>>5953395
Because tumblr

>>5953427
the sound it makes is real good.
i'd hug it too.

How possible is Plutonia with Hideous Destructor?
I don't expect to survive through Map 11 or the secret maps, but how is the rest?

>>5953251
romero would probably have the same facial expression when signing daikatana

>>5951906
of couse you didn't you talentless hack

>>5953503
Local lunatic ZikShadow managed the whole thing, including the secret maps. I don't think he'd recommend the experience to anyone, though. And it might be a different story now between chaingunner buffs and the general bullet/armor/damage overhaul going on.

>>5953515
Geez, I'll have to watch those videos to see how he did it.

But first, trying to get BD's Extermination Day map to work with HD

>>5953509
Nah. He'd look like a smug asshole.

Any of you motherfuckers know where the secret exit to the Red Skull Palace is in Golden Souls 2?

171st for "Blood /vr/ community map pack when"
>>5952380
correct

>>5953594
>171st for "Blood /vr/ community map pack when"
when you pick up a copy of mapedit and git crackin, gay boy

>>5953615
I am learning! with Duke Nukem 3D because nblood mapster aint working for me rn

>>5953618
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rL_0AU3wqE
install that DOSbox bruh

best of luck, and remember Dr. Frankentein's castle and gothic mansions are what blood's all about

>>5953626
Do I have to use mapedit?
I've already been learning how to use mapster32, and I think nblood is currently the best Blood platform to use as a base for a community project, seeing as it is open source.

Regardless, thank you for the video and the luck.

>>5953036
Check out Strange Aeons.

Are Quake 2's expansions any good?

>>5953635

First one is pretty decent while the second one is meh

>>5952382

>>5952382

>>5953629
The developer of NBlood is currently working on a Mapster32-style Blood editor. So maybe it is wise to keep practicing with mapster32 until that is released.

>>5952326
I am close to beating Dark Forces 1 and holy shit is this a great game. The whining about levels being labyrints turned out to be absolute meme, they are actually very readableand play good, except for Jabba's ship which has that stupid gimmick.

>>5952326
Also, what about HD models mod and AI upscaled textures?

>>5952486

>>5953684
What about them? Use whatever you want to use.

>>5951978
"Exodus from the Earth" is surprisingly comfy HL-like. Horrendously translated though, also, axe and pistol suck ass, although you can use the axe to cheese through the robots, which are quite dangerous otherwise.

>>5952808
This. Just play EX.

has there ever been a more colorfull version of hell than the one in doom?
>>5952042
isnt dbthanatos from argentina or south america?

>>5952326
opinions on DarkXL?

>>5953591
>Golden Sou

Pumpkin Pathway is the only map with two different secret exits, and one of these unlocks the Red Skull Palace. Find the Pumpkin patch in the plant maze (There's a small hole you can crouch into that's hidden behind a bush), I'll leave the rest to you.

>>5952928
>console controls
>they are literally exactly same as in Quake 3
WTF are you smucking

>inaccurate weapons in fucking Star Wars
the fuck did you expect

What are some less known old fps games worth trying? Doesn't have to be great, I just want to try something different.

>>5953884
PARKAN is a 4X space-sim with FPS segments.
Whenever you board ships, assault bases or whatever else that is not in-space, you switch to a System Shock 1 shooter/RPG hybrid. Basically a Freelancer/X-series but years prior.
Made by Russians back in '97. Cult classic. Costs ~3$ on Steam.

Parkan 2 is utter jank, made by different people. Don't touch it unless you really, really like the original.

>>5952898
Holy fucking shit. I've been thinking about making wad with demonic doomguy boss. I was supposed to give him horns, black armor and red cape. Somebody did read my mind (or I did read somebody else's). Now I'm gonna have to figure out more original look.

>>5953894
>demonic doomguy boss
Try this https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=64378 if you don't mind the beef

>>5953956
Hold the fuck up, there's a demonic Doomguy as a boss?
I thought there were just marines you can hire like in BD.
How much stuff does this mod have?

>>5953961
>How much stuff does this mod have?
Yes

im thinking about making a spellcasting mod
but
i have no idea how to implement that kind of system, without either
A. basically heretic (magic flavoured guns)
B. ignore ammo pickups/ remove them (which i really dont want to do)
C. make a TC and dont have it be at all compatible with ordinary maps (also dont want this)

>>5953970
well give us more details on what you picture this spellcasting mod would be like and maybe you can get some advice on what to do with the ammo pickups

>>5953970
How about dynamically assignable bagic slots, basically the weapon on the first weapon slot has states for all the spells, and all others inherit from it.
Then, create a set of helper item classes called slot1h, slot2h and so on, and the number of each of those helper items that the player owns is an index of the spell that should be in its respective slot. Then go back to your weapons and redefine their raise states so that they check how much of a given helper item the player has and jumps to a correct spell.
The number of each helper item can be set using an ACS menu that the player can bring up.
This can probably be done easier with zscript, but I've never bothered to learn it.

>>5953893

>>5953995
im asking more from a design perspective
>>5953986
in short: what the hell do i do with the weapons?
do i replace weapon pickups with spells? this runs into the heretic problem
do i include guns and ammo? having 7+ weapons AND spells will result in a whole lot useless bloat
it would basically be xasers psychic then

>>5954004
Why not tie spells to weapons? So you have some basic guns but they also come with spells bound to altfire? If you don't want to go for that, you could make weapon pickups be some sort of passive addon/upgrade to the player's current abilities, I've done that a few times with my projects.

I think you're gonna have to bite the bullet and make ammo pickups be resources for the spells though, for the sake of not making maps shitty and boring, I made that mistake years ago.

>>5954004
Just a spellbook. Flip the pages.

>>5954004
You could have spells have a cooldown period instead of relying on ammo. Might be hard to make it fun though.

>>5953459
What is the Zooom about? Sorry, haven't played SS2 yet.

is there a wad with a futuristic setting like diabolus ex?

>>5954025
Camera, zoom

>>5954009
>>5954004
>>5953995
>>5953970
Idea:
spells have casting times from 0.5 to 4-5 seconds
Player can pre-cast limited number of spells (starts with 1, increases with progression up to 3-4) to hold onto, but once those gone he has to go through casting/chanting animation as usual.
Different mana pools for different elements (light/dark/fire/ice etc.)

Include alchemy system
Ammo/health become alchemy ingridients roughly sorted into groups from which healing items and mana potions are made. Major powerups like soulspheres, radsuits invincibility etc. become rare ingridients from which special potions with apropriate effects (as well as other potions withmore powerful effects) can be made.


Alternative idea: Playere has a magic staff. He can put magical effects onto it and they all enacted at once and affect each other (like putting a Multiplication+Fire Misile makes a firemisile shotgun. Adding in a Bomb Sphere makes a shrapnel grenade that spews fire misiles when explodes). Mana cost and firerate depends on how much you cram in it. - Might be very difficult to code depending on how complex you make the interactions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUAMUAxGLzc

>>5954041

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXgii-Qg1NU

Rock N' Roll.

>>5954060
nukilar launch?

>>5954060
Lick N' Spit/

I just got a crate full of old thin client computers and every game that can be discussed in this thread can be played on them, including local netplay and over the Internet. Why throw them out when they're still capable of accomplishing this? Now I'm gonna buy a huge-ass battery bank, a giant solar panel and a shit ton of 4:3 monitors and have an outdoor off-the-grid barbecue party with all of these computers that anyone can come on down and kick some ass. At least, I wish I could actually make this happen.

>>5954091
Call them Facebook Machines and sell them for $1000+, just like Apple.

My face... my ass...

>>5953893
That sounds pretty damn cool.

Any wads like NRFTL? Limit removing, lots of 3D architecture, good flow, not that difficult, secrets...and vanilla textures mostly.

>>5954265
> 3D architecture
> NRFTL

>>5954265
So just about anything then.

>>5953962
Heh,now I want to replay Lt.Typhon.
It's such a fun mod,it doesn't feel cluttered with features,
It's funny how it started somewhat serious then it became more whacky and over the top while still being kinda balanced.

Any map pack I should play it with?

Typhon is top tier waifu material

>>5954449
Any

>>5954042
Watching this makes me want a Redux of the Sega Saturn port of DOOM. Doom 64 got it, and there's a WIP one for the 32X port, so why not Saturn DOOM?

I need a wad with at least one map good for testing gameplay mods and other things. I'm tired of testing everything on Map01 and Map10. Please recommend me any.

>>5954506
My goto WADs for gameplay testing are Scythe, the Vrack series, and Alfonzone

>>5954507
Any specific maps?

>>5954508
I just run through them until I either find a hitch with something I'm working on or until I need a break. Though the Vrack series are all one map per WAD

>>5954506
Well if you want the defacto Modder test map

Kinsie made one

>>5954510
>>5954512
Thanks.

>>5954478
Was Saturn Doom all wavy head swaying like Quake and Exhumed and Duke? I always loved that shit how it looks. Must play those versions some day

What are some good wads to play if I love sucking cock?

>>5954557
Duke Nukem 3d, Blood.

>>5954528
Saturn Doom is 3DO tier; basically unplayable with way too many performance problems.
The SNES version is unironically better.

>>5954606
Isn't that because Carmacks autistic and refused to let them do the port their way to optimise/work with the hardware and he wouldn't have it leaving all their work wasted and with little to no time to start over?

Fucking creepy asshole

>>5954615
Yeah. It would probably run like either Duke or Exhumed in the end, or even better.

I honestly had some fun with fps back in the day, robotica had some appeal with its dark setting and mood, and alien trilogy was pretty decent.

Fucking sadly I never got to play much of powerslave, only couple levels, only later in life with the SSF emulator played the whole thing

>>5954615
He apologized for that and admitted he was in the wrong.

>>5951978
1c company & gsw game world says fuck you

>>5954615
The story is that they had a test build running with good framerate, but it had a fair bit of texture warping, a particular pet peeve of Carmack's, and he told them to instead go with a more solid renderer, unaware of, probably not considering, that this wasn't a realistic option for the hardware in question.

I imagine it could have been colored by his experiences with trying to make Quake's rendering work, a fully software 3D game together with Binary Space Partitioning (as opposed to Doom, which rendered with BSP trees but with 2D visplanes). There were a lot of problems and dead ends with getting that to render cleanly and fully, and it was taking way more time than anticipated, I can imagine some of the frustration translating to him making decisions elsewhere.

>>5954648
>literally who

>>5954635
20 years later

Yo guys, can someone redpill me on how to use PrBoom+? None of my wads will work on it except for custom Doom 2 megawads and Doom 2 itself. Everything else, like Doom 1, Sigil, TNT, Plutonia, everything just does not work in some way. I even tried throwing all the wads into ZDL and putting " prboom-plus -iwad doom " into the command line.

TLDR PrBoom is fucking me with a broom whenever I try to launch Doom 1 of all things.

>>5954769

Create a shortcut and add -iwad and -file

>>5954663
>i dont know how to look things up

does anyone else absolutely hate icon of sin maps?

>>5954797
But you're wrong, I researched both of them and the literally who aspect of it still subsists

Quake Arcane Dimensions is so good

>>5954820
Publishers. They fuck with things.

>>5954845
You could've just explained that instead of just mentioning two obscure companies and expecting anyone to know what you're talking about

>>5953893
I liked Parkan 1 as a kid, is 2 that bad?

>>5953884
For pure FPS, try Eradicator. It's kind of inbetween Doom and Duke design-wise, it has some neat stuff like deployable walls for defence, three characters with their own stats and some of the weapons, decent game overall. Plus, it has proper mouselook and can be mapped for modern control scheme easilly.

>>5954874
>obscure companies
I wonder if you play other things since 1993 besides the doom

>>5954887
Not him but the only noteworthy thing I saw 1c publish was red orchestra 2. The company doesn't seem to have much presence. Googling gsw game got me basketball shit

>>5953790
The game is playable in DarkXL, but it is as far as it goes. It has some serious bugs, no altfire, some gameplay elements are missing, and the engine is abandoned in the state it was around six to eight years ago.

>>5954896
gsc game world, the stalker developer
1c is the publisher of the il-s sturmovik series also did some men of war

>>5954906
STALKER is definitely noteworthy.

>>5954830
It's definitely some of the best BSP art out there.

What are some good tips for sector lighting? I have a bad habit of making maps either too bright or too dark and just boring to look at and I want to break that habit

How do I get through E3M6 Erebus?

>>5954920
Try shooting the demons

>>5954920
rocket jump

>>5954917
Play with contrasts, and try to make the sector light level match the environment of your room. Try to have bright and dark themed areas in the same map.

Load e1m3 with no monsters and just walk around, focusing on how the lighting is done.

>>5954917
I tend to use 160 as the standard brightness. 176 for day-time outdoors. 192-208 for bright light sources. 128 for dim areas, 96/112 for near-black shadowy corners. Inset light sources in the wall so that they cast light in a directional cone. Inset light textures in the ceiling so they light a small square surrounding themselves. Passages from a bright to dark room can cast light into the dark room, which both looks cool and highlights the passage. Pillars can cast directional shadows, and pilasters can cast small 45* shadows onto the wall.

>>5954920
if you aren't pistol starting on UV or nightmare, you have no reason to complain about that map bro

>>5954794
I figured it out on my own. Basically I was just setting it up all wrong. I put -complevel 3 in the command argument section of zdl and I set up my wad correctly, then it was EZPZ

>>5953286
Nah Quake 1.5 doesn't use such noisy textures

>>5952840
Two portals lead to certain death. Choose wisely.

>>5954972
can i choose the save menu

>>5954801
I hate them when they're just Icon of Sin fights and that's it. If there's a full map and it happens to end with you killing the IoS, then it's fine.

>>5953635
One of them has the hardest boss in any id game

Boutta do a fresh run of drla, give me some maps to play with it

>>5953860
Thanks my dude!

>>5954972
how can nblood play DOS demos without desync and yet glitch out rgularly during normal gameplay

>>5954830
maps aren't the best gameplay wise but they sure do look pretty

Alright, I'm giving up on getting Extermination Day to work with Hideous Destructor.
Anyone play the mod with that map pack?

>>5954897
thanks, DOSbox it is

>>5955231
I never cleared the first hub area in Arcane Dimensions because of that one swamp map with 400 monsters. One of my least favorite things in older fps are giant maps placed in a large level set, Eviternity map19 is another example of this.

>>5955275
ad_swampy is a pleb filter

When did you finally realize Tim Willits maps were the best thing about Quake and close to only reason people still care about it to this day?

Would Quake be half as iconic without Necropolis being a third level in its shareware episose? I don't think so!

>>5955284
I liked the map he made with his sister in Ultimate Doom better.

>>5955284
fuck off Tim, you did not invent deathmatch

What's cuter, Shambler in Timbs or Caco?

Doom 64 Retribution or Doom 64 EX?

>>5955342

Hey, that's fucking great. I'm actually at a classic FPS spree as I've just finished Quake 1 and I'm now at Quake 2. Thanks for the help, Anon.

>>5955342
>>5955345
why is this a thing

>>5955343
EX felt more fun and authentic

Why is the zombieman's hair green

>>5955413
I don't know, I've lost touch with the kids and their memes in 2009 or so

>>5955493
s'natural.

>>5954874
Play more video games.

>>5955275
>not chex man getting blown away
Lame

>>5955513
No

>>5955513
we play COMPUTAH GAEMS here

random shit blew up in my memory tonight, anyone played this?

Anyone know why I can't run BuildGDX on Mint? The game selection window opens, but the games won't start.

>>5955493
Fell into a chemical vat.

>>5955493
he lives in a society

>>5955615
because it runs on JavaVM and not on your hipster-unix

>>5955570
purple nurples these movement physics are shit.

>>5953515
>Plutonia
>Hideous Destructor

HOW

What do you put in the config files of GZdoom to show an FPS counter?

I want to check out performance on Switch. Hardware renderer isn't consistent. Software renderer at <=540p seems fine.

>>5955446
Can anyone explain what the fuck was with N64 and 2D? Why did everything 2D look like paper cutouts?

>>5955686
>pick this shit up
>rocket boosties wee
>red armor: GONE

but combined with quad it makes for some great sound effects

>>5955683
vid_fps 1 in console works

>>5955685

All n64 games are bilinearry filtered, even the 2d ones

>>5955685
IIRC N64 was a truly full 3D system, and didn't have specialised API for handling 2D separately from 3D component. Everything that needed to be 2D had to be put onto a 3D polygon as a texture.
Even HUD elements are done this way.
So anything 2D that is on the playing field looks like a cutout, because it kinda is - a texture painted on a single polygon triangle. It is especially noticable in games like Doom 64 where you can move around such cutout in a 3D space, and less noticable in "2D-ish" games where you don;t have such freedom in camera movement.
There are a few emulation hacks that allow free camera and thus allow to see the real structure of the scene.

The only way around this was to code workarounds and write your own renderer on top of 3D API. Only select few games did it, like Wonder Project J.

Even mainline 2D Nintendo games like Yoshi's Story used sprite-on-polygon way of rendering.

>>5955413
Why not? It's silly but cute.
You can't ask that for pretty much anything by Doom and Quake community

>>5955675
Like I said, Zik is a lunatic. He did Plutonia 2 recently as well. HD's skill ceiling is absurdly high and he is among the best.

What's he looking at?

>>5955685
You can turn filtering off with hax

>>5955913
Space

>>5955913
Your crosshair, he's aware.

Suck it down!

anyone knows if gzdoom 4.2.1 breaks the babel mod?

>You like Blood? Monolith's early work was a little too janky for my tastes, but when Blood came out in '97, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole game has a sinister, creepy atmosphere, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really give the maps a big boost. It's been compared to Shadow Warrior, but I think Blood has far more bitter, cynical gameplay.

>>5955970
Yeah, the tedious bullet sponge enemies was far more cynical.

>>5955970
tfw no Blood gf to chop up with an axe

Shadow Warrior is objectively a much better game than Blood. Blood's popularity came from our society's issue that psychopaths are considered cool.

So how is that hexen map shit coming along?

>>5956019
What popularity? Both games live in shadowy memories these days. Very smalltime. Then again, Shadow Warrior got new games. Blood is basically dead. Your argument kinda fell apart.

>>5955740
Can't input keyboard in console on switch. It isn't implemented for some reason. I think the Dev literally said he just couldn't be bothered doing it.

Need a .config command

>>5956019
Blood > SW > Duke

>>5955493
A palette conversion error that they thought looked neat and decided to keep.

>>5955505
I have no fucking idea what the joke is with the Timbler, but looking at these images I fucking love him.

>>5955505
I don't understand anything either and this is great

>>5956050
So put it in the file

>>5956080
>>5956087
Post-meme culture, I guess.

>>5956119

>>5956124

>>5951804
Clint LGR released his Doom 2 Retrospective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNtHwWVXbDI

>>5952202
Calm down autist. Its only in Alpha and they needed something to put in there from St. John, prob rushed it. I'm sure they'll redo it down the line

>>5955269
It is great in DosBOX, i use DOS/32A extender just in case. You can easilly map mofern control scheme via setup, only vertical mouse aiming is impossible (but it is not really critical to gameplay) and alt-fire with RMB (i use Q instead).

>>5955343
I can't get 64EX to work properly with my Linux potato station and i don't care about 100% accurate N64 gameplay so Retribution it is.

>>5955615
Ask M210, his english is not so good but he is a helpful guy. Also, which version of Java are you using?

>>5955343
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f2vBW9GMZU

>>5952326
I never noticed any LOD issues and I've been playing jedi knight since I was a kid when it came out

>>5955970
Blood is Monolith's first work though. Here's another take.

>You like The Operative: No One Lives Forever? Monolith's early work was a little too janky for my tastes, but when NOLF came out in '2000, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole game has a clear, crisp 3D aesthetics achieved in a time when technology started to mature, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really give the gameplay a big boost. It's been compared to 007: Goldeneye, but I think NOLF has far more bitter, cynical sence of humor hidden behind upbeat style that rhymes with '60s and '90s alike. In '05, Monolith released this, F.E.A.R., their most accomplished game. I think their undisputed masterpiece is Paxton Fettel, a villain so memorable, most people probably don't listen to his lines. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the studio itself. Hey Vivendi! TRY SNATCHING OUR IPS NOW YOU STUPID BASTAAARDS!

>>5956263
imo f.e.a.r is still unbeaten in emotional impact of combat. The particle effects and just how the enemies *move* somehow makes it incredibly visceral.

I know intelligence of the AI is overblown, but their animation is underrated.

>>5956323
DUDE BULLET TIME LMAO

What do the legacy sky compat and final doom texture substitute options mean in wadsmoosh

>>5956335
Last time I played it I didn't even use it once.

>>5955970
Blood was actually their first game
>>5956027
Asking anyone in particular? Im working on something but its slow-going.

>>5956119
>>5956124
>>5956128
>>5956131
What is this?

Just finished Sinergy. Pretty good 90s themed Doom 1 megawad but I can't name any one map that stands out. Still plenty of fun though and highly recommended.

>>5953036

Innocence X1,X2,X3, all kinda sorta go for that. You can combine that with other mods to make it more N64-like.

>D64StuffGZ.pk3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52BMpd0AX04

>>5951798
>https://docs.libretro.com/shader/crt/
can we get a good CRT shader for Gzdoom, chocolate or zand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbzoTo75LyU

>>5956335
I hate you

>>5956591
Wonder when we'll get a Doom 2 equivalent of IDKFA.wad

>>5955970
You like Kingpin: Life of Crime? Xatrix's early work was a little too amateurish for my tastes, but when Kingpin came out in '99, I think they really came into their own - commercially and artistically. The whole game has a gritty, down-to-earth style, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism with handling the idtech2 that really give the game a big boost. It's been compared to GTA, but I think Kingpin has far more bitter, cynical sence of humor. In '01, Xatrix, now Gray Matter Interactive, released this, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, their most accomplished game. I think their undisputed masterpiece is Dark Secret, an episode so standout, most people probably don't even it belongs to the game. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity to genre conventions, and the importance of trends, it's also a personal statement about the WWII shooters itself. Hey Machine Games!

>>5956027
not heretic?
or is this another mapping project that can be seen on twitter?

>>5956027
if you mean the heretic one, we've got three maps ranging from "2/3 done" to "in revision", one other guy who's posted progress pics, and four others who say they'r working on a map
don't expect more than a single episode

Is that DoomRPG mod dead? Its launcher leads to a dead link, and I think that was the only way to be able to play it.

working on the shopkeeper girl and made her a bouncy bouncy idle base sprite of barbie physique

>>5956704
What is this and where can I play it?

>>5956704
Very nice work.

>>5956704
Where's the nips? And pubic hair

>>5956051
I disagree. The only place where blood is better than douk and sw is in the atmosphere. On the other hand, blood is the only game of the three where combat often feels more like a chore.

>>5956697
Loading it manually worked just fine for me . Try using the sumwunn edition.

>>5956781
female presenting nipples are illegal

>>5952985
>>5953026

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4fCAkhxdho

Just search youtube for "doom eternal" and sort by date, you'll probably find it

>>5956816
Man, I was kinda hoping that shotgun would have more wood on it.

>>5951919
This makes me laugh harder than I reasonably should every time I see it

Also, the people on Faggit basically responded to this with "HURR DURR MUH EPIC RIP AND TEAR "

>>5956841
the chad doomslayer
>game is good
the virgin marine
>game is complete shit only remembered fondly by nostalgiac macfags

>>5956849
Pathetic.

>>5956841
ok

>>5956786
>Illegal
Even though Japan still, for the most part, doesn't allow completely uncensored pubes, the same does not apply to boobs.

>>5956858
What do you mean? Do you agree or something? I put a lot of time and effort into this.

>download BorderDoom to check it out
>it's a .pkz file
>have Cisco's Packet Tracer for class reasons, which also uses .pkz files
>now can't use ZDL or click and drag to try it out since it's now set up as a packet tracer executable
Funny how things happen

>>5956867
He means "ok".

>>5956871
Sorry, I have confidence issues.

>>5956878
I grew a huge zit on my left pit and am in immense pain everytime I lower my arm

>>5956783
Got it working, thanks. RPG mod seems quite complex, but seems like a ton of fun with RLA.

>>5956868
isn't pkz just a weird alternate extension for pk7s

>>5954024
How about a "rage" bar that charges by killing enemies

>>5956212
have you seen this?

https://www.gog.com/forum/star_wars_dark_forces_series/dark_forces_plus_basically_vanilla_mouse_look_an_alternative_to_darkxl/page1

>>5956783
>On the other hand, blood is the only game of the three where combat often feels more like a chore.
yeah a game in which a single dynamite bundle can explode 20 zombies into gibs has the slowest combat, obviously

>>5956947
Yes, i did. >>5956217 so this is unusable, but thanks anyways.

>>5956947
its far more easier to someone pick the sourcecode from XL engine and work it from there since lucius released it

https://github.com/Mindwerks/XLEngine

>>5956471
>>5956680
>>5956689
Sorry, I did mean heretic, I'm retarded.

Is it too late to join? I'd work on something but it'd probably be shit, I'm too busy making something for thief

Is there any other duke nukem port besides eduke? Or in eduke are there some hidden mouse options i am not aware of? For the life of me I can not get the mouse to not feel like shit. I'm used to playing doom and there are so many variations of how you can configure the mouse I have all my shit perfect there then I get into eduke and there's barely anything there.

>>5955343
GEC edition is the closest one.

>>5957037
>Is there any other duke nukem port besides eduke?
aside from commerical ports like megaton and world tour? there's a few but eduke is popularly considered gold standard
build engine and mouse aim are weird in general, because every build game is subtly different owing to being developed at the same time as the engine was being feature creeped

>>5957023
The deadline for near-finished maps was supposed to be october 10th (although none actually are finished yet). The deadline for project release is supposed to be the 31st. So unless youre a good speedmapper, its probably too late.
>>5957037
BuildGDX supports duke.

>>5956895
Yeah, quite complex indeed. Im almost done beating a megawad with it and I still don't know how to use turrets.

>>5956897
Dunno, but still, a little funny

>>5957023
Go for it, anon. The more maps, the better.

>>5955507
Fuuuuuck it's like 3rd grade all over again

>>5956221
I've tried JRE 11 as well as 8 and 9. All act the same.

Should I use Trenchbroom instead of J.A.C.K Hammer for making Quake maps? I was already using J.A.C.K to make HL1 maps and it says it can make Quake 1, 2 and 3 maps.

I got J.A.C.K configured for Quake and started making a map. Everything is working fine but I am curious if Trenchbroom is a better choice instead.

I've been busy and haven't been able to check on the threads for a few months. All I have to say is newsanon is the real MVP for keeping that news archive pastebin updated.

>>5957169
is not jack abandoned?

>>5957169
>>5957186
it's just a tool, whatever you find comfy. A qood mapper will blow you the fuck out using worldcraft from 1996
need not look further than valve's PoS map editor for the practical demonstration

>>5952512
>The only place ive heard that was a "leaker" on /v/
Then you should do some more research, since I'm pretty sure Hugo himself said that the dlc would be covering "different perspectives" of the game's events in an interview.

>>5956841
k dude

>playing Icarus: Alien Vanguard because I like TNT
>it's good
>MAP28
What the fuck is this shit, this must not have been tested for pistol start or somethi—
>"I play tested the level until I was completely confident that you pretty much only had enough ammo in the level to half whatever supplies a standard player had leftover from map 27.
>The concept was more along the lines of removal of any significant gain made by the player up to that point in the game. Hence the name, Excavations. The setting of the map reflected this concept. I never really made this public to the rest of the team at that time, it was more of a private joke. I was constantly told by the others on the team that there wasn't enough ammunition in the level, and against my wishes, my father eventually doubled the amount on the map before release, to my cries of, 'screw em, real men punch shit to death!'"
This level was worse than Mount Pain, I had to pacifist certain sections just to not flood the map with a literally unkillable amount of enemies. How did this get accepted by the team?

Fuck right off, LGR. Lazy asshole. Do your own research.

What are some good mapsets for D4V?
Tried Scythe, it was fun, excluding Map 30.

Remember to turn fast monsters on in GZ

the old upside down room trick

imagine playing with a disgusting fucking filter over your nice, crisp sprites

What are the best ways to play System Shock 1 and 2?

>>5957815
nice bisexual lighting

>>5957827
EE and steam aka newdark version respecively

>>5957827
System Shock 1 remaster is the best way to play the game.
For 2,is just the original, even if a remaster is on the way.

>>5957848
blow it out your ass