/vr/ - Retro Games

=== ONGOING ===

/vr/ Heretic Mapping Project
-Currently looking for mappers, testers, and anyone else who can help.
-Project Discord server: https://discord.gg/BBPnHM8

=== NEWS ===

[10-8] Bury My Heart Knee Deep finished.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/102605-bury-my-heart-knee-deep-updated-10819/

[10-8] Doom Eternal delayed until March 20, 2020
https://twitter.com/DOOM/status/1181569967562612736

[10-2] Bobby Prince suing Greasy Bastard over unpaid royalties from DN3D World Tour
https://www.pcgamer.com/duke-nukem-3d-composer-sues-randy-pitchford-gearbox-and-valve/

[10-1] Some new Hexen maps
https://www.moddb.com/games/hexen/addons/lepistus
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=65993

[9-30] Kaiser developing a ROTT source port
https://twitter.com/SVKaiser/status/1178453896123109376

[9-29] AMC TC v3.6 released, supports OpenGL
https://www.moddb.com/games/the-amc-tc/downloads/the-amc-tc-episodes-1-2-and-3

[9-29] DBP17 mapping to start next month, with an Aliens or horror theme
http://doomer.boards.net/thread/1567/ti-community-dbp17

[9-29] Yet another beta release for Colorful Hell
https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=47980&p=1119980#p1119980

[9-27] Night Time Terror, 6 map demo
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/109137-night-time-terror-6-map-demo-final-update-hopefully/

[9-27] Doom Delta v2.2 preview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNNo_bQfIV0

[9-26] Masters of Doom television series casts Carmack and Romero
https://www.pcgamer.com/the-masters-of-doom-television-series-casts-carmack-and-romero/

[9-26] Bloodicide, 8 levels for GZDoom has updated
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/107960-bloodicide-~-8-levels-for-gzdoom/

[9-23] Gameplay mod Supercharge released
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/109107-supercharge-gzdoom-resourcegameplay-mod/

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ROAAAARRRR ME MATEYS

>>5945671
me when I see quake hampions

holy fuck I'm new to 4chan what the fuck is happening

>>5945681
Everything is as it should be.

>>5945664

Every time I want to play Smooth Doom or Beautiful Doom this error appreas, what do?

I'm using the lastest vintage GZDoom build

>>5945687
Are you using the latest official release or the latest development version? Dev. versions are no long recommended.

>>5945694

I'm using this version

https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?t=64988

>>5945664

>>5945701
Oh alright, the vintage fork. Sorry, I didn't realize that.

Well, it could be that up-to-date smooth doom and beautiful doom require more modern gzdoom version (like a vintage build based on a more recent mainline version). Try to find older versions of these two mods.

>>5945709

>>5945709
That's dope. What mod?

>>5945709
>>5945714
Thought this was Eternal concept art at first

>>5945712

Welp, I found they released and older version and it worked

Thanks

>>5945694
>Dev. versions are no long recommended.
Wow, how come? Did we really come to a point where GZDoom is stable enough in its official branch to not warrant them any longer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCkNm7V8FM8

I played through Quake's singleplayer for the first time. It was about what I was told to expect (competently made but not super interesting from a gameplay perspective, good but not groundbreaking besides the engine and more advanced physics). I'm a bit confused about the shotgun/nailgun and their upgrades, though. Is there any reason to use the normal shotgun or nailgun when you have their upgraded counterparts? Unlike DOOM's shotgun which is mostly outclassed by the SSG but still has some pretty significant advantages in niche scenarios, like being better at stunlocking enemies if you don't have a high-fire-rate weapon and the fire rate in general being useful if enemies are quickly being funneled around a corner and you can only hit them one at a time, the shotgun in Quake feels 100% outclassed by the double barrel. I know the shotgun in that game is basically its pistol, but it just seems weird to me that you can even select it instead of the double just replacing it. It feels like not even ammo conservation matters considering how plentiful shells are on every map.

>>5945681
get out of here stalker

>>5945694
>implying there's a recommended version of GZdoom

>>5945750
shotgun has tighter spread and fires faster, useful for when you're out of nailgun ammo
no reason to use the nailgun if you have a super nailgun whatsoever

>>5945743
Since randi jumped ship, there was no longer this weird ultra long delay for official releases.

As per graf's preference, development versions are now exactly that. And official releases are way, way more frequent.

>>5945761
Thanks for making my morning.

>>5945765

>>5945761
>>5945764
>>5945768
poor bastard has 2 claims to fame: making me, (You) and Anon over there his bitch and making Doom
god tier troll nonetheless

>>5945768
JoL Romero?

>>5945761
>painted nails
urgh

>>5945827
Why does he even paint his nails anyway? Just because he feels like it?

Guncaster Vindicated > Classic Guncaster

Is there a mapset that was designed for Doom4Vanilla or D4T? I can't play maps made for vanilla Doom with gameplay mods because it doesn't feel right

>>5945835
because he's a gay boy
or thinks it makes him look like an occult nerd aka parlour magician or some shit

>>5945835
Isnt it just a new trend? Goths already did it.
Light Heavy Metal fans and eccentric boomers also it seems.

Whats is type of favourite metal anyway?

>>5945847
It's not made for it, but Putrefier should work aesthetically

>>5945835
Romero still thinks he is rockstar.

>>5945847
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/109557-drought-d4v-3-maps-rc-2-106/

Here's Drought, a mapset coming already bundled with D4V.

>>5945835
Because he's a fucking manchild, still living through his teens.
If only I could be so carefree...

>>5945665
Doom 4 Vanilla updated to 2.0, brings in an entire new optional weapon set.
https://www.doomworld.com/forum/topic/108725-doom-4-vanilla-v20-new-extra-weapons/

>>5945865
>>5945868
Thanks!

>>5945665
>>5945847
D4V 2.0 update.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCkNm7V8FM8&t=0s

>>5945835
ZOOM. ENHANCE.

>>5945665
https://twitter.com/mmaulwurff/status/1182989839353950213

>>5945835

>>5945843
Furries ruin everything

What's up with Heretic copyrights? Does it belong to id or Activision, or there's some Blood-like weird situation?
Just finished the second game, loved the emphasis on platforming with ledge grabbing/pole jumping/etc, but it felt like ass to control. Don't you dare press back while running, or else Corvus gonna do that fucking long backflip.
Would like to see the series get a nuDoom treatment, with cool movement mechanics that feel good to use.

>>5945968
Nah

>>5946015
Duke, you tapped that pigcop ass, you dirty furry.

>>5945990
American McGee's Alice did third-person platforming in the same engine way better than Heretic 2.

>>5945990
Isn't Amid Evil a Heretic sequel in all but name?

>>5945990
Heretic 2 is okay. really liked back in the day I saw the connection to jedi knight gameplay immediately once outcast came out.

That said its not gonna happen, triple A gaming wants something different.
I would love a fakk game with a modern engine.

>>5946015
Why is Duke so fucking so adorable even badly written?
Just played his cameo in bulletstorm and I want him to be in every single game and not know why he is there.

God Duke is so good.

I love little details I never noticed before even 20 years later. Shell casings plop into the water. Shooting underwater the shell casing float...

>>5946063
Its really great and I still have the expansions and the classic campaign to play in armageddon.

I personally love the door squishing enemies and the elastic gore when opening doors.

>>5946060
He's a self-aware action hero that does not fellate his own cock for being oh-so funny and self-aware.

>>5946060
I never found him adorable but he's a cool dude.
The Bulletstrom cameo is a thing because.....Gearbox.
And yeah,he made cameos in other games,even in Ready Player One.

>>5945671
falls in lava
waAAAAah

>>5946060
I like D3D and its humor, but I'm not really all that fond of Duke himself.

>>5946063
>>5946067
I've recently played Duke 3D after Blood.
I considered the latter superior but now,I don't really know. They're both awesome.
Duke 3D did so many things better than Blood but still feel equal in terms of quality.

>>5946073
>does not fellate his own cock for being oh-so funny and self-aware
Pretty much sums up Deadpool
I still like the character when someone skilled writes him,though.

>>5945694
>dev versions
Since you brought it up. I had a thing happen in one of the latest non-vintage builds. Kinda funny. The game crashed to console any time I used a weapon. No explanation. Just a message. "blah"
I lol'd and went back to an older version. Just... blah. Not even mad.

>>5945764
Saved forever. Great!

>>5946092
lol

I use considerably more vulgar debugging messages myself.

I guess Mr. Romero himself made GZDoom lag for me for several seconds on every level transition for attempting to do this.
It's actually this month's Windows update. LZDoom with software rending to a Direct3D surface is unaffected.

>>5945956
He does have some problem with his eyes. I've seen them go a bit wonky in videos.

>>5946102
Perpetual beta Windows tends to piss me off these days

>>5946102
Explain pls

>>5945750
Shotgun has far more range, which occasionally is useful.

>>5946156
It's HDoom on top of SIGIL. Shoot the switches to fuck the demons.

>>5945859
He handed Bobby a stack of CDs out of his collection, and told him to make Doom's music sound like that stuff.
If you go through a list trying to identify the tracks, you'll probably get an idea about some of the music he likes.

I recall he also ordered the Chrono Trigger soundtrack from overseas back in the day, because he fucking loved that game.

>>5946040
Thanks for reminding about this game. True, Alice feels like H2 but without all that sporadic movement bullshit. And, unlike elf dude, I heard McGee doing something new with her.

>>5946045
Heretic got world/character established, would be interesting to see it developing further. Amid Evil obviously can't do that.

>>5946051
I don't see a reason for Heretic 3 to not happen unless copyrights don't fully belong to id. Doom reboot is well received, but they won't milk it forever. Going for same-but-fantasy sounds like a good idea. Or a new Quake...

>>5946159
Scrags in particular are great single shotty targets.

>>5946196
>Heretic has received three sequels: Hexen: Beyond Heretic, Hexen II, and Heretic II. Following ZeniMax Media's acquisition of id Software, the rights to the series have been disputed between both id and Raven Software; Raven's parent company Activision holds the developing rights, while id holds the publishing rights to the first three games. Until both companies come to an agreement, neither will be able to make another installment in the series.[14]

Not to mention the fact that Raven Software has been downgraded to a CoD factory.

>>5946196
>Heretic got world/character established,
Oh sure, I just personally don't care about the setting. I like the aesthetic and the designs, but the story isn't anything unique as far as fantasy goes.

Going on this last thread's topic: I don't mind how the DH looks even if he could have been handled better but D64 chainsaw aside, he theoretically "fits" Doom, which is a problem for the Marauder
He looks out of place because he's related to new lore/direction that the devs expect you to get used to before the game is out
You get the impression that he could be Doomguy's own Wario/Vergil/Shadow but he barely resembles him besides the green armor with a red dot
Maybe giving him a similar helmet could make him feel like he's part of Doom, along with an emphasis on the SSG
If he was in Doom 1, he'd probably have slightly altered DG sprites with red eyes and horns, to look like a demonic counterpart

>>5946234
Lol, so the answer to my question was on wikipedia all along.
Well then, no hope at all, the situation is even worse than Blood's.

>>5945664
Hideous Destructor but its a Quake gameplay mod.

>>5946275
Hideous Destructor for the HL series would be kino

>>5946283
But who you're going to be?
Definitely not a HECU soldier or a Barney because of the expansions.
Maybe "HL but realism thrown in there"?

>>5946289
you'd be gordon but with a less magical HEV suit, i guess.

would be a good opportunity to use a lot of the unused HEV sound effects, actually. a lot of them are medical stuff.

>>5946275
A HD-esque mod for RTCW would work a lot better imo.

>>5946291
Sounds nice
The Black Mesa incident was scary already,now it's a nightmare.

>>5946291
I really really really don't want to fight Hideous'd headcrabs.

>>5946303
Hideous Headcrabs would be like the Facehuggers in Alien VS Predator games.
Much less health but fast as fuck and can one shot you.

>>5945759
>>5946159
>>5946214
What do you think could be done to make the regular Nailgun useful after you get the Super Nailgun?

>>5946295
>RTCW
What now?

>>5946323
Return to Castle Wolfenstein

>>5946314
I'm not sure. I mean, what would you do to the nailgun to make it better, but without making the super nailgun not better enough in comparison?

Just beat Quake for the first time.
The combat is way better than Doom's combat.

>>5946339
It's different.

>>5945681
wrong site, buddy

>>5946339
is good game. I beat it every week

The fuck is with the hitboxes/gun accuracy in Jedi Knight:DF 2?

I have to spray around cus you can't hit shit

>>5946347
*Objectively better in every single way

Why is Quake so brown and dull? I think there's one black level too.

>>5946339
Now go play the shitty expansions.

>>5946437
Finally, a fresh observation.

>>5946437
You're there to repaint the place. That's the secret backstory.

>>5946438
>Shitty

>>5946437
Why is Doom so brown and full?

>>5946483
The first expansion had far too many cheap and lame environmental changes/traps. I'll admit that it did have some great levels, but the shitty ones really bring it down.

Recently replayed Turok 1 and 2 remasters.
And they're better than I remembered.
The soundtrack and weaponry are fantastic.
I don't mind the level design of both of them,the OST actually keeps me more motivated.
I love them.
What's your favourite thing about these?

>>5946494
That's fair,I didn't like those either.
But I didn't find them bad,I enjoyed them a lot.
The soundtrack felt pretty generic though.

>>5946238
Marauder's design would be much better if it was a demon who reforged Doomguy's armor in an attempt to imitate him. I feel like they're going to do something crazy with his lore, like him being Doomguy from another timeline/universe who failed.

>>5946494
My beef with the first episode is how the whole first episode is nothing but techbase, most of them mediocre. But yeah, stuff like Black Cathedral or The Gauntlet were great.

>>5946339
It's not an opinion I share directly, but I very much see why someone would think that, because Quake does things differently yet hits a lot of the proper keynotes of what makes Doom's gameplay work, as well as a bunch of its own.

Doom is my all time favorite, and Quake really is a phenomenal example of its genre.

107th for /vr/ Blood community map pack when?

>>5946674
Maybe when NMapEdit drops. The guy who made NBlood is working on a mapedit port.

>>5946710
Oh shit, really?
I've been using the regular eduke32 mapster32.exe on Blood and it's been fine, but a new editor might actually bring some people to it.

>>5946573
I swear they did something to the shotgun in 2 in one of the patches. Felt good on the N64 and on the Remaster's release. But I reinstalled it lately and it feels so weak.

Anyway, River of Souls best song

>>5945664
>Beat the tiggur

>>5946339
Ehh, I prefer the hordes of Doom, with low health.
Also, 2.5d shooters are able to be much more faster IMO because when you only have to aim on one axis, it's easier to react, hot take.

>>5945968
truth
>>5946015
willful ignorance

>>5946792
quake is more fast paced and close quarters in its combat and encounters
also proper verticality adds so much to a level

>>5946796
I agree that vertically adds much more to a game, architecturally, but I think Doom has the superior arcade style gameplay.

>>5945936
Do people like to use freedoom when they can either a, pirate or b, buy the game?

>>5946794
What is your purpose in this life?

>>5946835
whats yours, anon?
thats a difficult question which answer only matters to the one answering it, and you know it

Which version of Doom 3 is the best? Theres like 3 versions.

I have been working on a half-life map since summer on and off. It is a small office map. I am using J.A.C.K Hammer Editor 1.1. Here is a pic of the outside area.

>>5946852

The original as BFG edition fucked up the lighting

>>5946873
Not them, but they fucked it up globally? I thought it was just a problem of all the guns having a flashlight on them.

>>5946852
>>5946873
the bfg has a new expansion though

>>5946891

It's not worth it tho as it's shoddily made

>>5946873
Here's a thought: why was the BFG edition made to begin with? I remember the Zero Punctuation video about it where Yahtzee said it was to tide us GAYMURZZZ over till NuDoom, but BFG edition came out 4 years before that. Feels like it came out of nowhere.

>>5946870
Cool. I remember the very first editors I used were dromed and the hl one. Gave me really different perspective on videogames and AI. Kinda broke the magic. But later reinvigorated it.

>>5946896
Don't know, but it was nice to have since it gave us Doom 1 & 2 on consoles.

If there is one thing I could do for HL is to completely rework the game to instead of being a linear shitfest be more like Duke, Thief, Deus Ex contained semi sandbox levels were yo can just fuck around.

The more fps I play the more In realize how great that design mentality is. A sandbox where you can fuck around and find secrets before going to another level, it could be possible in hl with massive rearrangement.

Curiously I played Dishonored recently but instead of getting that feeling the levels kinda bored me. Maybe should try doom 4 finally.

>>5946870
(Continuation...)

There was also a odd issue I ran into when attempting to make decals. In the pic related I made a thin block and then put an GOD BLESSED AND BEAUTIFUL AMERICAN FLAG on the face of the block.

Previously I just used the Decal Tool and put the flag on the wall. When I tested the map and went to the office room the flag decal was not there.

I couldn't figure out why the decal was not showing up on the wall so I just ended up making a block and then putting the flag on the block.

Anybody here played Hedon? What did you think about it?
>https://store.steampowered.com/app/1072150/Hedon/

>>5946948
Lackluster weapons and some boneheaded choices for monsters, proportions for some characters are fucked.
Nice textures and color palette though.

>>5946948
Inb4 cock warning anon shows up

>>5946948
The orc girl is cute and I want to hold her hands

>>5946948
Why would I pay 10 buckaroos for this when I could just look at futa porn for free?

>>5946948

The developer is a degenerate which makes the game too disgusting for me to play

>>5946941
i think its a texture and decals need to be defined as such and cannot use just any texture
its been a decade since i touched hl mapping

>>5946970
Oh yeah you're right lol. Quite a silly mistake I have made.

>>5946314
Copper increased the speed of the nails, while giving some horizontal spread to the SNG.

>>5946948
Futa is still gay.

>>5946979
Only if you're a woman.

>>5946984
>lusting over a female because she has a masculine feature
Next your going to say that muscle girls aren't gay.

>>5946979
you're gay.

>>5946992
The whole point of muscle girls are that they're girls. Besides who said it was lust? You can appreciate a cute muscle girl.

>>5946994
Trash logic. Futas are just fantasy trannies. No matter how people spin it.

Shut the fuck up you subhuman pieces of shit.

I like Doom.

I doom Like.

Doom I like.

I like Ike.

And he likes Doom, too.

>>5946952
This guy is more or less right. Good color palette, good textures, level design is so-so, the story telling method is decent, the sprites are pretty shit. Guns are meh. Gameplay is meh. It's not bad, it's just sorta middling.

3d realms games are garbage.

>>5947106
All video games are garbage.
name literally one that is good

>>5947107

Gone Home because it has the least vidya elements in it

>>5947115
Dear Esther has less

>>5947116
Taking cornell notes at a John Carmack talk.

>>5946967
Sauce please.

>>5947147
Go to /aco/.

>>5947038
Well then he better fucking invite him to Smash.

Playing Quake 2 for the first time right after finishing 1 and its expansions. Most of the weapons feel really underwhelming. The sound is so soft and the feedback isn't great. Still having fun though.

>>5947204
You might fall asleep at some point. Have a pillow close by.

>>5947215
I wonder if she browses /vr/. The artist, that is.

>>5947204
Quake 2 could really benefit from something like Copper (Brass? Bronze?), it feels like a few but important tweaks to its weapons and enemies could really make it shine.

>>5947215
Don't be silly now.

>>5946903
Also we got No Rest For The Living for pc, thanks to BFG edition. To be fair, I bought the BFG on Steam Sale just to get that wad.

>>5945835
Because he is trying every way he can to make himself unique when he's just kind of lame

>>5947319
The opposite of John Carmack, who oozes Übermensch aura without even trying.

>>5947310
That's a lot of money for a few maps.

>>5947350
Romero it's an artist and that's ok, but Carmack could kill us all if he wanted

Kinda fucked up how a lot of attempts at expanding Doom's setting are more likely to make demons feel more alien than basic shit like canonizing Jesus

>>5947375
hahaha yes le carmack galaxy brain meme :DD

>>5946896
widescreen resolutions, unlocked fps, """fixed""" the flashlight, added blur and bloom (this is why it looks brighter), re released on ps3 and x360

>>5947432
So provide some appropriate concept art and make something happen

>>5947436

>>5947485
ahh yes, because making the same jokes that have been made since the Quake 3 source code got released are fun.
Thanks Obama! I'd buy that for a dollar! That's what she said! Get on the floor, everyone do the dinosaur!
This is fun!

>>5946573
Discovering that jumping doesn't work like literally any other game was weird.

People always remember Turok being a bitch with the platforming sections but once you realise you jump AFTER you run off a ledge not jump BEFORE running off the ledge you'll make the jump every time. No other game works like that. It's not logical even.

>>5947504
that was just a way of making the jump easier on the console
it's easier to jump looking at the automap

>>5947490
"I'd buy that for a dollar" will always be useful.

>>5947517
alright, yeah, I agree, that one has it's moments

>>5947490
have sex

>>5947526
While I don't have sex regularly, I do have it every time I seek it out.
As a modern homosexual, it's rather easy.

>>5947531
whats the difference between a modern and a vintage homosexual?

>>5946948
>having to pay for some dumb doom mod
Fuck that guy. If it's really built on GZD then is selling it even legal?

>>5946896
cash grab
also carmack experimenting with VR

>>5947539
"How dare this guy making money with assets and sprites he made all by himself?"
Heretic, Hexen and Strife are also made with the Doom engine, it's perfectly legal.
It's a TC and completely original, what's the problem making money from that?

>>5946873
And a whole lot more
ROE had cut stuff from its original version
>>5946893
The hell levels were new but that is it

>>5947217
>she

>>5947538
depends how vintage you're talking
fags went from socially acceptable to stoned to death to illegal to socially acceptable again

>>5947539
yes, that's half the point of the GPL that gzdoom is licensed under

>>5947539
Even before GZDoom went fully GPL, you could sell ZDoom TCs as long as you didn't distribute the program itself and just the game data was what was paid for. Back in the day there was a physical release of Action Doom 2.

>>5947543
they licensed the doom engine back in the day
GZDoom is Gnoo + Loonix free as in freedom, so anything made with it must also be open source

>>5947539
>>5947550
it's a dual core license I presume, GZdoom is free and you can't profit from it, but the poorly done mspaint dickgirl sprites are copyrighted
same as the doom engine is open source but all the lovingly sculpted cyberdemon ass sprites are still © id software 1993-2019

>>5947554
>GZdoom is free and you can't profit from it
no, you don't understand the GPL
there is nothing in the license stopping you from selling a GPL product - you just need to provide the source to those who bought it

>>5947565
Yeah I don't know, if you could fork gzdoom's code, sell it as hedondoom and then all the people who built the code base over the years should logically get paid too. How do you even determine authorship with a GPL product? How much of a contribution is a contribution if it's editing someone else's code
Linuxoids confuse me

And Hedon is not selling gzdoom, it's selling Hedon, I understand that much. GZDoom just happens to be the thing it's built on, and hell go pirate it if you don't like it, literally nobody cares except the guy who made it.

>>5947572
there's nothing stopping you from taking gzdoom, selling it, and not giving graf a dime
the idea as I understand it is that once GPL software leaves the original coders' computers, they no longer have authority over where, when, and how it's distributed, and no one else is allowed to take authority either

an article on selling GPL software: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/selling.en.html
GPL faq: https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.en.html

>>5946896
Came out like 1 year before Doom's 20 anniversary

>>5947580
and that's where every known economics model breaks down, because you have an infinite supply of software, moreso when every end user is authorised to distribute his own copies in whatever way he sees fit, limited demand and how do you begin to compete with the price of free
this must be what copyright lawyers feel like when thinking about software piracy
like I said, linuxoids confuse me, because you have to be a loon to sell free (as in freedom and not as in gratis) software and expect a dime in return

>>5947591
the only system I've seen work is "you can have the software and source for free, but official support costs money". beyond that, you're kidding yourself if you think you're actually gonna make any money selling GPL stuff
I don't really care one way or the other myself, so I just slap WTFPL on my stuff and call it a day

>>5947603
oh yeah i should probably clarify - hedon's assets are almost definitely not GPL, I was just saying that GPL doesn't prohibit selling

>>5947603
hell son, because you judge your work to be of no monetary value to others is great and all, but some people aren't good with the whole self motivation thing
and that's where negotiable earth currency comes in, to motivate you to work harder

>>5947608
that's the bit I do understand about code and assets being under separate license
open core whatever, OC DICKGIRL DONUT STEEL

>>5947547

>>5947624
is that a stubble I see

>>5947628
She used faceapp I guess.
Looked up her artstation account and yeah that's woman.
But who cares, she makes the best Duke though

>>5947630
the only girl you're gonna find playing quake or DN3D is a girl (male)

>>5947634
Whatever

>>5947648
sorry to spoil your gamer girl fantasy anon, but you're just into the wrong kind of games

>>5947651
Gamer girl fantasy? I just said whatever like who cares if I'm playing with or against a girl on multiplayer. All I want is have a good time.

>>5947547
Yes

Doom for Android
Are you stupid?
You download freedoom
You put in your wads in it
You play it
And I don't give a fuck about Bethesda!

>>5947742
>Freedoom
>I don't give a fuck about Bethesda
Anon, please

>>5947538
>>5947548
In addition to vintage fags being stoned to death, retro homos are rare because they've died of AIDS.

>>5947572
You have some pretty wild misconceptions about GPL software.
You can take a GPL project, do nothing but change the name, and sell it for big bucks no problem, the only thing you have to do is make sure the source code is still available.
Another anon already linked you to the GNU pages about selling free software, but if you really think that is a ripoff to the developers, you should learn about the BSD license. Companies like Apple and Sony are able to just yoink an operating system from a BSD* project wholesale, and don't even have to send any of their improvements back upstream to benefit the developers.

>>5947603
>you're kidding yourself if you think you're actually gonna make any money selling GPL stuff
tons of tech companies live off this

>>5946103
It's just a lazy eye I think, sometimes it's noticeable, sometimes it's not. Might depend on angle, possibly even which day.

Didn't get in the way of his coding or mapping.

which version of doom should i get on steam?
feeling like a buyfag today but there's so many diffirent doom games, planning on modding later on.

>>5946214
It's great for whittling away at just anything at range, if you're safe up on a ledge, and can easily cover from potential shots, the high speed and tight spread, along with common ammo, really can let you 'shoot fish in a barrel' with ease. I've done in a Shambler or two this way just because, and it doesn't actually take a lot of time.

The single barrel shotgun really is deceptive, it's far more useful than it seems at a glance, it's an excellent pistol tier weapon.

Jon St. Jon is Postal Dude

>>5947856
Just... download it from the mega links in the OP. You don't need to buy it off steam.

How flexible is doom modding?

I would love to try it out. I have a mini strife sort of game in mind.

>>5947856
don't buy it, bethesda doesn't deserve money for what id made
just download it from the first mega in the OP

>>5947848
any examples? because I'm having a very hard time believing you can survive just off of selling GPL stuff
and don't mention shit like red hat and canonical, because you aren't paying for their open source stuff, but for official support and their services, and I already said that works fine

>>5947879
Rather extremely if you use GZDoom as your port.

Some of the few limitations are: Very complex terrain and extremely large open spaces don't work well, there's no support for skeletal animation, there's no way to bake shadowmaps, and collision between objects is simplistic (hitboxes are all AABB's; equal-sided non-rotating boxes).

Other than those caveats you can do pretty much anything, even make whole new games that aren't even FPS.

>>5947895
>there's no way to bake shadowmaps

Really? Shit.

>>5947871
oh ok

>>5945665
>>5947870
Oh haha nice joke anon-wait a minute

https://www.dualshockers.com/postal-4-no-regrets-reveal-early-access-launch/

>Jon's the Postal Dude

Holy fuck it's real

Sigil v1.1 or v1.2?

>>5947903
And a trailer too, sadly no lines from Jon yet: https://youtu.be/ZyCIi2SY4ss

>>5947897
Yeah, one of the devs was working on it but never finished. I think the portals were the issue or something.

Quake2/3 are being added as cores in Retroarch today

>>5945687
what windows theme is that

heres a pic from the abandoned shadowmap branch

>>5946583
Yeah, the techbases dragged on. I never felt those were Quake's strong suite, better left as brief intro maps for an episode, usually.
The actual interdimensional stuff was top tier though.

>>5946796
The speed of Doom's gameplay will come to the maps in question, it can be made pretty fast.

>>5947903

>>5947204
Quake 2 isn't bad, but the start is slow.
Once it gets going, it's a pretty nice shooter.

>>5947235
Quake 2 needs muzzle flashes, also the grenades need to have twice the range.

>>5947903
Huh. Couldn't they get Rick Hunter back?
Jon can probably do a decent Dude though.

>>5947948
Yeah actually now that i think of it maybe it's BS. Did Jon confuse Postal 1 with 2? Cus 1 was closer to when DN3D came out obviously.

>>5947870
>>5947950
seconded on Rick Hunter, dude was great

>>5947948
postal was an isometric twinstick shooter in the late 90s you 58 year old zoomer

>>5947879
It has some decent flexibility, if you accept some quirks and learn what to do. This assumes GzDoom.

Strife is super bothersome to mod in vanilla, because it's an obtuse spaghetti mess, but with GzDoom you can bypass a lot of the annoying pecularities.

>>5947952
He's not much of a gamer himself, I'll cut the old man some slack.

>>5947952
Nobody remembers Postal 1

>>5946870
Reminds me of the rooftop of the garage level in Max Payne 1

>>5947959
it wasn't really a great game but the tone of it was spot on
in the age of people livestreaming skilling sprees insides mosques, the postal series can absolutely do with being darker
so naturally postal 4 looks like a hypercolor cartoon with even more gimmick weapons

>>5947959
I do.

>>5947941
looks like build engine, I like it

>>5945968
whatever happened to that gnoll mod with the 3d hyena girls?

You know what to do when the time comes.

>no rick hunger
>but also douk nukular

I DONT KNOW WHAT TO FEEL
At least we might a full cast teamup with 4 different Postal dudes for Postal 5

>>5948135
Maybe that's not the same dude either. Paradise Lost confirms that there are two of them and both voiced by 2 different guys.
Also gotta love how in the description it says"the sequel to Postal 2!(A third game doesn't exists)"

>>5948135
>>5948162
what if they're parodying MGSV

>>5948184
The Man Who Sold The World (And Signed The Petition)

>>5946091
>duke 3D did so many things better than Blood
like fucking what. Duke and Shadow Warrior become annoyingly unplayable after you spend time with Blood.

>>5948132
*unzips mozarella*

>>5946091
>>5948270
the only thing Douk did better was putting all its bad levels into one episode, instead of spreading them throughout the game

HL1 is one of THE most overrated games ever. It's only beloved because it told a story (when most FPS were nearly devoid of plot) and did so in a seamless fashion. But the actual gameplay is complete ass compared to the other great FPS of the time. And even though there aren't cutscenes, you frequently are forced to wait and watch scripted events to progress. If I wanted a riveting story, I'd watch a fucking movie or read a book, not spend hours walking through grey hallways and vents.

>>5945664

>>5948270
>>5948289
I hate both of your opinions.

>>5948290
Ok

>>5948319
kys

>>5948290
why did you feel the need to post this here *and* start a new thread?
>>5948303

Why don't you just admit that hl is bad?

>>5948327
Lel, I actually made that post in a different HL thread, and apparently he liked it enough to repost it multiple places. It is my actual opinion, but I didnt expect it to be used as fuel by the HL spammer.

Speaking of Postal I found this in the arcade.

>>5948330
kys

>>5948336
DOOT

doom, quake, unreal, marathon, goldeneye, sin, duke, blood, shadow warrior, etc.
All better than shit life.

>>5948336
>janky alpha build
LEAK IT

>>5948356

>>5948336
>>5948357
oh nvm just saw it on steam

HL1 wasn't even the best FPS of 1998.

>>5947950
>>5947952
Early access page say he was busy. I'm glad they took it an extra step. I'm sure they'll find a way to put him in somehow like they did with corey cruise

>>5948132
>Walls slide open without making any sound

>7 duke 3D maps released in all of 2019

Why isn't Duke mapping popular?

>>5948423
I would pay for a Rick Hunter Postal Dude DLC down the line

I don't know if Jon St. John does a good job or not since apparently they've got a dumpster fire of a launch (wouldn't expect any different from RWS) but he's not Postal Dude end of story

>>5948431
You can download Mapster32 and see for yourself
I've never even attempted to make Build levels so I don't know if it's any good
while you're at it make your own map, post it ITT and get shat on

>>5948436
>dumpster fire of a launch
What? Most of the community is really excited. It's poorly optimized but it's only 1.9 alpha

>>5948336
>Freedoom textures
Kek.

>>5948446
my point being the end product is a dumpster fire right now according to user reviews but they're all positive anyway
like I said, I would be surprised if RWS did anything right the first time

How should I run drpg+drla manually from the command line?
I'm trying:
gzdoom -file "DoomRL Arsenal.pk3" "DoomRL Monsters.pk3" DoomRPG\DoomRPG DoomRPG\DoomRPG-RLArsenal DoomRPG\DoomRPG-RLMonsters

But it doesn't work.

MAKE MORE BLOOD MAPS

prove me wrong>>5948421

>>5948431
Must be more if you include maps in stuff like Alien Armageddon and AMC TC.

>>5948448
i'm sure the final game will be a lot better. It's already packing more content than postal 2 in terms of gameplay

>>5948421
I don't get how they managed to write Turok 2 on cartridge and N64 hardware.

HLfags need to play Quake, without Quake Half-life wouldn't even fucking exist.

>>5948270
>>5948289
That's incredible how can two people be so wrong at the same time.

>>5948459
It also was one of the few games cartridges to be black and required and expansion pack to make it run,like DK64.
They really pushed that game to the absolute limit.

>>5945664
Smooth Heretic WHEN!?

Fishing for references - and as an earnest "Fuck you" in the general direction of this game.

Blood (general gamedesign): (Rise of the Triad +) Spear of Destiny / Earthworm Jim
Blood (Kilstrom's levels): (Marathon 1 +) Pathways into Darkness / possibly, Kid Icarus
Blood (Hamel's levels): (possibly, Ravenloft 1 +) Inferno/ep3 from Doom 1 / probably, Waxworks
Blood (Hubbard's levels): (probably, unironically, Fortress of Dr. Radiaki +) TekWar / Legend of Kyrandia 3: Malcolm's Revenge
Blood (Wilson's levels): (Heretic +) Flashback / Dreamweb
Cryptic Passage (Travis' levels): (HeXen +) Another World / probably, Waxworks

>>5948463
Douk's a good game except for having a boring enemy roster and overcompressed sound effects
Blood's just better. Looks better, sounds better, plays better.

Pistol start or continuous play?

>>5946768
Turok 2 has an underrated soundtrack.They feel so good to listen to.
Can we talk about the metal covers? Awesome as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkFlRv35NOw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1A4dlQy0ko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H87H4m5wgTc

>>5948480
Depends on the mapset.

Can we all agree that hl is inferior to any well known retro fps?

>>5948476
Some Duke's maps beat Blood's best maps but they have an odd flow.
Sometimes it's so straightforward or too cryptic.
The soundtrack is catchy as hell too.
That being said I still prefer Blood.

>>5948476
>overcompressed sound effects
no game is a worse offender in this regard than the first two Serious Sam games. Like fuck, the engine looked gorgeous but the sound quality is absolute dumpster tier.

>>5948490
I have a love/hate relationship with Serious Sam.
On one part the weapons are awesome but sometimes there are just way too many enemies and the level design is below average.
The soundtrack is neat though.

>>5948487
agree on soundtrack (still not Lee Jackson's best work, that would be ROTT), plus there's a lot of it
level design is top quality for the most part, more consistent than Blood, but Duke has bad levels too

>>5948495
>>5948490
you're just not being Serious

>>5948504
Rise of The Triad soundtrack is fantastic,arguably better than Doom.
No wonder so many wads use those tracks.
I especially love Duke 3D third episode level design.

>bad levels
I would say Episode 2 has more of them.
Too much backtracking and they drag for too long. But overall I still like that episode

>>5948510
>I especially love Duke 3D third episode level design.
This means you have shit opinion. Episode 3 levels were literally made in a few days, there were some chopped parts in them, they are short, lack novelty, and any epic moment. Also most of them don't even look like cities, even with 1996 limitations.

Duke 3d reminded me how shit Doom is.

only hipsters think blood is good.

I made a WAD
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Cr-J3VEsaBB5hoZl9LmqTqRKBmv6ZimS/view

>>5948450
Why don't YOU make more blood maps if you want them so bad?

LGS and Id and Build engine games are superior.
imagine thinking linear corridor level design is good.

>>5948526
Going to try it now anon.

>>5948537
imagine shitposting for months on a thread where the only response you ever get is "please stop, this is sad"

>>5948526
>>5948549
Pretty good map overall. Nice detail everywhere and nothing stood or looked too bland. I have a few issues:
>1. Red key trigger was too easy to avoid. I picked it up the first time without passing the linedef.
>2. Outdoors secret didn't trigger when I walked outside. It worked whenever I walked back into the base.
>3. Needs a bit more shotgun ammo in the beginning and more chaingun ammo later on. Add maybe one or two shotgun boxes early on and two boxes of chaingun ammo before the big caco fight.
9/10 keep up the good work

>>5946314
The entire point to the Nailgun post SNG is that you save small amounts of ammo against weaker opponents / opponents that can't effectively fight you.

>>5948356
>BJ's gun is blue
neat

>>5948359
I'll always laugh at Tresspassing

>>5948359
I have to wonder how many of these are actually possible and how many of those elements don't exist in those colors. Some parts like the lipstick pieces for the UT rocket launcher are genius.

>>5948524
>>5948521
Sure buddy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dbR2JZmlWo

>>5948518
>>>/polygon/

>>5948563
stay in denial. retro gamers hate hl and other late 90's games.

>>5948448
I think people expect the game to be a dumpster fire performance-wise because it's Postal. Postal 2 is pretty notorious for being a buggy piece of shit that people love to death despite it, so this is par for the course.

>>5948614
Says who? YOU, shithead?
>MUH OPINION IS FACT!
>IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME, THEN YOU ARE CANCER/NOT A TRUE RETRO GAMER/NEWFAG REEEEE!

>>5948619
>Postal 2 is pretty notorious for being a buggy piece of shit that people love to death despite it, so this is par for the course.
it wasn't fun on 2003 hardware I tell you hwhat

Wait who is making postal again?

No way this game is coming out on this climate.

>>5948635
running with scissors, who else

>>5948443
Not that anon but mapster is that bad?

I mean dromed is a nightmare and Thief has hundreds of amazing missions by this point.

>>5948635
RWS

>>5948459
Man that was low-FPS hell

Half-Life's level design was a downgrade from other FPS. It takes place in Black Mesa, this massive facility, but since it's completely linear, it doesn't take any advantage of that like Hexen, Strife and System Shock did with their non-linear hub worlds. At the same time, Half-Life also lacks the variety other FPS like Duke Nukem 3D and Blood had with their unique self-contained levels, nor does it have something like Unreal's epic journey across an alien planet. It's the worst of both worlds.

The whole game feels like "piecemeal situations: the game". The monsters don't compliment each other, so you end up with 'the marine part' 'the female assassin part' 'the alien grunt part' instead of situations where you fight mixed groups of enemies that support each other.

>>5947948
What a shithead. Fuck off old man.

Half-Life gets way too much credit for doing shit that was commonplace in other games. The whole 'immersive storytelling' thing was already done by shooters that came out before Half-Life, such as Unreal and System Shock. And those games did it way better. For example, Unreal handles storytelling much better than Half-Life since you're on alien planet and don't speak the language of the inhabitants, this justifies the silent protagonist conceit. Half-Life has no such excuse, and any time NPCs talk to you completely breaks any immersion.

Besides, not only is Half-Life's story very generic, but it also has a lot of immersion-breaking moments. For example, there is one point in the game where you head into a darkened area and you get ambushed and your weapons taken away. The thing is, you have a flashlight, so what happens if you use it in that darkened area? Nothing. The game arbitrarily makes it not work in that area because they were too lazy to think of an organic way to script that setpiece.
There are also parts where you get a game over if an NPC dies, because they are needed to flip a switch to progress. Again, immersion-breaking.

>people claim half-life is immersive
>try to use flashlight in pitch black area
>doesn't work for some reason
>walk into pitch black area
>i get ambushed as part of a scripted setpiece and my weapons get taken away and I am locked into a trash compactor
>I realize that the game arbitrarily disabled my flashlight because otherwise I would have interfered with the scripted setpiece

How immersive.

please see a therapist.
get help.

>>5948672
[no]

>>5948664
Alf, take your god damn pills.

unreal and turok are more original than hl.

>>5948635
Why wouldn't it come out? Steam allows Hatred to exist on their store, banning it but then unbanning it and Gabe personally apologizing. I'm sure there will be some articles bitching about the game but that controversy will only help its sales. Think about how many people bought Hatred, a really mediocre game, solely because of people demanding it get censored and other people wanted to spite those first people.

it still tickles me how gen x'ers thought it was innovation at the time when interactive fiction and action games had existed for the past two decades by that point already
>wow you managed to integrate *gasp* a script with cut scenes, this is new territory
fucking valve drones.

remember report and don't respond

>>5948683
He has a point, his rambling does not diminish my love for HL.

unreal and system shock have better storytelling.

>>5948680
It's already out.

>>5948691
Early Access

>>5948695
>implying that Postal 2 ever got out of beta
Just another 'member game anyway. Cheap thrills. And they definitely want to bank in on the jank since LOL RAGDOLLS WTF HAHA still gets views on youpoop.
Anyway, this isn't /vr/ stuff.

REFUTE IT>>5948687
>>5948682
>>5948667
>>5948664
>>5948660

>>5948450
>>5948535
see >>5946674

>>5948705
I missed ur refute this antics alf

DO NOT REPLY TO BAIT RETARDS

>>5948705
No one here gives a shit dude. Not only that but you're setting up arguments that you already have canned talking points for. No one wants to have a discussion like that. It's like arguing with a flowchart.

>>5948754
you are such a dumb motherfucker

>>5948761
Whatever homo.

>>5948431
It's not as fast and easy to learn as Doom mapping.
You can do a shitload of different things with the engine, things Vanilla Doom couldn't ever do, but it takes some time to figure out and to put into practice. It doesn't get easier with sourceports, as opposed with Doom where some sourceports will just allow you to do things which Vanilla Doom would throw a shitfit over.

Mapster 32 also hasn't become much more user friendly, while Doombuilder was a massive step up from every map making software in the 90s, and has improved ever since it came out.
It's mostly just easier to get started making a map for Doom, even if the theory of level design (flow, encounter design, layout, progression, navigation, aesthetics, etc) don't really differ dramatically from how you would apply it to Duke Nukem 3D

>>5948480
Depends on preference.

>>5948781
Does Build offer anything that modern Doom source ports don't at this point?

>>5948792
At this point? Not much, UDMF and ZScript can let you do all kinds of wild shit.

>>5948808
One of the most basic things in Build is that you can paste any texture/sprite onto a wall or floor, and GZDoom can't do that without a ton of hassle.

>>5948826
>without a ton of hassle?
It's not that hard though? Use UDMF with GZDoombuilder, it's a default feature I thought.

>>5948826
>>5948808
And you can't do the crazy sector manipulation like Build is capable of, such as the expanding whirlpool in Shadow Warrior.

>>5948723
Well, a blood mapping project could be cool. Is build mapping difficult compared to doom engine mapping?

>>5948830
You can use decals, but you have to manually define them before you can place them in the editor. And there's no visual preview. And you can't stretch or colorize them (without defining a new variant). And they don't play nice with 3D floor constructions. Like I said, a ton of hassle.

>>5948840
Really? Because I worked on a map recently in UDMF format and almost all of this was available by default. The only things you listed that it couldn't do were colorize textures or 3D floor stuff. The rest was available all from the start with no extra setup. Just start a new map in GZDoombuilder in UDMF format and you can use any texture on any floor from the start, no manual definition required. I'm sure Build does a lot more than Doom no doubt about that, but a lot of these features are easily accessible with GZDoombuilder and UDMF.

>>5948843
Nah, we're talking about different things. I was talking about how in Build you can paste sprites on the wall, like the fliers and posters in Duke 3D.

>>5948845
Ah, my mistake. I thought you meant using any texture on any surface. Decals in Doom would be fun.

>>5945664
>Hexen has a class choosing system.
How does Heretic's Corvus fit into that? Which class run in Hexen is the most fitting canon-wise?

>>5948873
What do you mean? Hexen takes place in an entirely different world. the events of Heretic have no connection to hexen or hexen 2 other than the death of 1 of the serpent riders.

>>5948873
Hexen is basically separate other than the serpent riders being connected. If you want more of Corvus, check out Heretic 2 which uses I think the Quake 1 engine.

>>5948680
>I'm sure there will be some articles bitching about the game

IGN is already throwing a fit. They're trying to hide their butthurt, but the tone of their review is clear and transparent sjw hissyfit faggotry. They actually tried to slam the game for "decapitation being nothing new" as if Postal needs to be some kind of "revolution in gameplay" lol.

How do I into caves?

>>5948635

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSBEsnyClc

>>5948873
In Hexen/Hexen 2's cutscenes all the classes actually work together, so they're all equally canon.

>>5948896
You make the occasional big space.
You make it dark.
You place enemies.

>>5948475
Last one that interested me:
Cryptic Passage (Beaulieu's levels): (possibly, PO'ed +) possibly, Shannara / Cybermage

>>5948886

It actually uses the Quake 2 engine

tell me about mancubus. why does he mwaaarghh

System Shock 1 is a game built essentially around a bunch certain thematical special effects geared towards making an impression of an ingame virtual world being "sorta real". Those special effects rely upon you recognizing certain intended (by whomever directed the game) things in them, by which means aforementioned overall impression is gradually constructed. In other by posing as "immersive" the game makes a point of being meant to be interpreted in a particular intended way.
What if you end up recognizing in some of those "immersion-enhansing" effects radically different, compared to the intended, things not primarily due to your not having seen what game director had (hence you being badly educated), but precisely because of you having had your own past, and having seen what game director hasn't (moreover, could even be completely clueless about)?

In other words, I wonder, whether System Shock's developers have recognized the player as an axtual human being who has lived what they haven't, and whose misinterpretations could maybe be way more interesting than the intended ones. Or if, to the contrary, the player is meant to be simply somewhat like a toy to be toyed with and then maybe go like Wooooaaah.

>>5948834
That one is admittedly a pretty specific effect, though I think something vaguely similar could be achieved.

>>5948983
Put it another way. Suppose while playing the game the player invents something, a cool trick unforeseen by the developers. Is the player intended to feel proud? Or is it more like "yeah dude whatever as long as you are having fun"? By drowning the player in meaningless overbearing possibilities, SS1 completely devalues being actually somewhat good and inventive with the game, makes, ironically, make the player care about "how?" way less as long as it gets him desired "what?". In other words,by drowning the player in meaningless possibilities, System Shock emphasizes its artistic content
which is not even that good, if only by force of being 110% derivative in a blatantly campy way.
In other words, the game mocks the very act of playing it, moreover, giving any sort of shit.
Now, I dunno about you, but to me, making a game that basically says "don't play me" seems a pretty dumbfuck thing to do. I mean, then you are effectively wasting collective thousands man-hours of yours and your coworkers combined - for what again exactly?

>>5949007
In yet even other words, the game could just as well be called Brain Dead.

>>5949007>>5948983
>>5948664
>>5948660
where do you fuckers come from?

>>5948475
What the fuck does this mean?

>>5949023
It's one person who really should just get a blog. He's just pissing into the wind here.

>>5949027
(Explicit design blueprint +) Unique "'CrEaTiVe" Twist (to distinguish resulting brainfart from what it is explicitly "inspired" with).

What I meant is to point you to some games, in which it may be possible to recognize suspiciosly similar (to those from here or there in Blood) "vibes" (only generally explored in way more depth).

>>5949035
No, these are two diffeent people. I wrote about System Shock, but I didn't write anything on HL in this thread.

>>5948873
Not sure. He’s just a magical elf.

>>5949070
Why was this post deleted?

>>5949086
I misread the question.

>>5949086
He probably got banned for something else he posted and the mod wiped every post he made. It's happened to me.

>>5949027
Nevermind him, he's that one theorycrafting eceleb faggots that is hang up on "influences" and references.

>>5948475
What a mess

So I want to start making levels. What are so good rules principles for making good levels, and what are some good wads to play to get a bit of inspiration? (I've only ever played doom, doom 2 and final doom, so nothing with fan made weapons/enemies)

>>5949331
Honestly, you should just play some good wads to get a better feeling of the game. Personal recommendation is Memento Mori 1 and 2 (they're technically made for co-op but speaking as someone who played it in single player there are only two levels that negatively affected my experience with co-op only shit, MAP04 and MAP31 from the first wad, the former just because the SSG is locked behind a co-op puzzle and you NEED it if you don't want the level to be a frustrating chore). You should from this point on, if you want to properly appreciate level design, play via pistol start because 99% of levels are balanced around that and so should your levels.
Also, your first level is going to be shit. This is unavoidable, everyone's first level is shit. Don't get discouraged and learn from it, post it someone and have people play it so they can give you criticism.

>>5949331
You have a lot of studying to do.

>>5949346
Were the original levels designed around a pistol start? I only just finished playing through all the official games from start to finish on UV, didn't even consider pistol start until I started watching some youtubw vids about doom.

>>5949353
You die and you restart with a pistol. So yeah.

>>5949359
I've been playing on GZDoom and autosaves at the beginning of a level, I just figured everyone was making the most of that.

>>5949364
>>5949359
And what I meant to say in regards to the original levels is I figured they were designed around people saving their progress at the beginning of a level

>>5949364
Well GZDoom wasn't a thing when Doom came out. Come on now.

>>5949368
See>>5949367

>>5949376
Yeah, it's about having options. You can be a scrub and keep your arsenal or you can challenge/punish yourself with a pistol restart.

>>5949378
Alright well ill keep it in mind. I'll give the wads >>5949346 ré om ended a shot, and any others people recommend. Are those yearly wad awards a good place to start or are they Academy Awards level retarded?

>>5949387
>>5949348
Just play more Doom. A lot of it. Carve your own path after that.

I finished Quake 1 for the first time.

S'pretty good.

>>5949406
I played Quake 1 for the first time a few days ago (was pretty good) and like two other people played it for the first time in that time period. I just felt like finally doing it after finishing DN3D but did something happen to put Quake on everyone's minds?

>>5949346
Memento Mori these days is considered by many to be just okay, a product of its time. Why not recommend more modern mapsets like Ancient Aliens?

>>5949414
Doom Eternal got cancelled and I figured it was good a time as any to finally get around to it. I just didn't feel like bothering with installing the source port and fixing the soundtrack up until now.

>>5949417
>cancelled
delayed you know what I mean

>>5949415
I just picked MM because it's both well-regarded and vanilla. Ancient Aliens is a Boom-compatibility wad so it's obviously a bit more advanced.

>>5949417
>Doom Eternal got cancelled
>delayed you know what I mean
Holy shit. I almost got a heart attack right there.

>>5946339
They're pretty inherently different by virtue of Quake being full 3D. Of course there's going to be more depth to combat when you have two axis of movement and aiming.

Shooters made TODAY still have quake code somewhere deep in there. You can play titanfall 2 or team fortress 2 and develop movement skills in those that are directly transferable to quake.

Quake's more about execution and Doom's more about the dungeon crawling and exploration I think is reasonably fair to say. There's nothing like a spawn in doom.

>>5949424
Todd got jealous and hired a hitman to go clean out the id office(s). It's all over, anon.

>>5947941
>abandoned
why tho

>>5949432
granted, idtech>gldsrc>source>titanfall engine
so airstrafing remained

>>5949391
Btw roughly how long does it take to make a level?i tried to do it in the 90s but it seems doom builder streamlines shit a lot more

>>5949442
i learned everything i know about movement from titanfall so i'm speaking from experience

titanfall's nice because you can go fast without having to go right into bhopping, you literally just hold crouch and jump when you land and it conserves your momentum- it sort of eases you into the advanced tech while allowing you to go pretty fast without it whereas most other movement based shooters open up with "okay so here's how you strafe jump"

>feel like replaying the vanilla DOOM games
>download the PSX TC to shake things up
>movement feels incredibly off
Does this TC do something to your basic movement? I feel like I'm sliding around on ice compared to when I normally play the game, when I let go of the directional key it's like the friction is decreased (should note I usually use Crispy DOOM and this TC requires GZDoom so that might be the reason it feels off).

>>5948836
I've only recently began to use mapster32, but it seems like how I would imagine early/older Doom editors to be.
It's still very line based, and some of the methods are unique and took like 30 minutes to get used to, oh the keybindings too, but after that it's still basically just making sectors and giving them textures.

I don't know why, but I really prefer the wall textures of Freedoom to Doom/Doom 2.
Maybe just because it's something new while still being the same aesthetic, or it's the much larger variety, but I like it a lot.

Not the monsters though, holy shit those are some poor designs.

>>5949495
>Not the monsters though, holy shit those are some poor designs.
The worm is still the best design just for how fucking nasty it is

>>5949445
Find out for yourself.

>>5949440
Slow and pointless. Also pretty ugly.

>>5948459
>20 FPS and under

That's how

>>5949510
Static shadowmaps a-la Quake should be fast and as ugly as map-designer wants.

Is there anything more satisfying triggering some giant explosive shockwave in build engine and excavating the ruins that have carved a new path?

Suck on it doom babys

>>5948359
I don't think more than 20 people played Nitro Family

>>5948676
One is a comic book adaption

>>5949523
Alf, please.

>>5949523
suck it down

I really recommend this Duke map, Poison Heart.
http://www.dukemaps.net/?p=13024

It's fucking huge. Insane amounts of detail crammed into every room. Reminds me of Ion Fury style. Has a crazy amount of interactivity with the environment and really really smart set pieces. Lots of blowing shit up and changing paths. Clever platforming, large battles. It's got it all. It's about 40-60 minutes long. It's good shit.

Just turn the annoying music off.

>>5949612
Ever played Anorak City by the same mapper?

>>5949612
Also another memorable one is, I think, called Rural Nightmare. Anorak City is more like a puzzle map (this mapper has a lot of puze maps like that, but Anorak City is, I think, his apex in that regard), while Rural Nightmare is more of a cinematic one - in a pretty memorable way.