/vr/ - Retro Games

>>591075
>*samson*
fuck

What, it's going for MORE?

FUCK EVERYTHING

really?

>mfw when I bought a 50 dollar copy last month.

Oh, cry more you faggots.

Should have bought it when you actually knew it was good without watching two morons play it on youtube.

>>591084
check out the price on wild guns

>>591092
It's good but not 50 dollars good.

I can't be the only one who thinks Pocky and Rocky wasn't particularly obscure.

>>591075
Ever stop to consider maybe the existence of /vr/ is making game prices go up?

>>591110
It wasn't obscure where I lived. Pretty much everyone I knew with a SNES had this game or played it at some point.

>>591110
It was a nintendo power magazine cover at one point.

I think it was pretty much forgotten until Game Grumps

>>591121
Metal Storm had a cover AND a poster, put I don't know anybody in person who's ever heard of or played it

>>591128
They will since Mike Matei mentioned it.

I've always emulated it since I never saw it in shops here in the UK, even though it did get a pal release.

I was aware of it and it seemed obscure back then but in retrospect it's not at all.

>>591131
Isn't that why Gun.Nac shot up? I swear that used to be a ~$30 game

The covers to both the Pocky and Rocky's are so fucking shitty.

Good thing I'll never buy the game, it's really good but not worth beyond 30 dollars in my opinion.

fuck the entirety of the raft level

Oh, come on, that can't be tru-
>It is

this game is amazing but someone needs to hack the controls. L needs to be a strafe button with locked aim, and R needs to be a stationary aim. i cant be the only one who wants this. contra 3 for gba had these controls, same with contra shattered soldier and hard corps uprising.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mario-RPG-Wild-Guns-Hagane-Soul-Blazer-Kirby-DL3-Sunset-Super-Nintendo-SNES-/151038470524?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item232a98297c

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wild-Guns-VERY-RARE-COMPLETE-IN-BOX-CIB-RARE-SNES-Super-Nintendo-1994-/290894501765?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item43baa9d785

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wild-Guns-Super-Nintendo-PAL-complete-CIB-mint-collectors-item-/190833712657?pt=AU_PC_Video_Games_Games&hash=item2c6e935e11

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILD-GUNS-NATSUME-SUPER-NINTENDO-SNES-USA-NTSC-BOXED-VERY-RARE-/390584570381?pt=UK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS&hash=item5af0a7920d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Wild-Guns-Pal-Super-Nintendo-Snes-Very-Good-Condition-/160951100445?pt=AU_PC_Video_Games_Games&hash=item25796ee41d

http://www.ebay.com/itm/WILD-GUNS-nintendo-super-famicom-snes-import-jp-sfc-USA-SELLER-/321070044818?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4ac1441692

I wouldn't call Pocky and Rocky obscure

It's funny because that's not even remotely true.

I'm so sick of people acting like the half-boiled Youtube "celebrities" actually hold any kind of grip on the market. I swear the world would be an infinitely better place if Youtube was just closed tomorrow.

>>592087

best way to play the game would be just with 2 analog sticks one for moving and one for shooting

>>591460
Whenever you emulate or buy it it's one of the best SNES games. You should also check out its superior sequel, Pocky&Rocky 2. And even thought it's not retro, avoid Heavenly Guardian. It's a huge let down.

>>592106
The thing is, they do. Any retro game that pops up on a very popular internet celeb video immediately becomes harder to find. Even if the game is absolute shit.

People first started to notice it when AVGN started to really take off. Suddenly garbage like Friday the 13th, Nightmare on Elm Street, and Silver Surfer got rather hard to find and started to go up in price. It took a couple years but they eventually went back down to what they should of been but it just shows that someone will buy something because someone popular said something about it.

>>591075
They play only a few obscure games and lots of classic ones that even the rocks know.

Also fuck GameGrumps. It's good only for playthroughts of shitty games like Sonic the Hedgehog. I prefer new episodes of John Tron.

>>592087
>>592113

if someone could turn it into a twin stick shooter, that would be awesome.

>tfw I remember buying Hagane for less than $2
>find out it's going for nearly $100 even in shitty condition a couple years later
>sell it to my job for $50 in store credit despite the label being half torn off
>ends up being sent to a different store for a prepay

And absolutely no fucks were given that day. Speaking of Pocky and Rocky though, I do regret not buying it for $15 a couple years ago. It's rather uncommon but not remotely rare like some people seem to think it is. Pocky and Rocky 2 on the other hand is deserving of it's price in terms of rarity for the most part.

>buy two copies of game
>send one to GG
>they play it
>game triples in value
>sell remaining game
>make profit of original game's value
>rinse and repeat
>become a millionaire

I want to be a YouTube celebrity. Then make a review about this game and suddenly its price will suddenly rise up a lot. Just like Pepsiman which is not even rare.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/PS1-PS2-PlayStation-1-2-The-Mission-Fussball-von-Nike-komplett-Anleitung-/271155748930?pt=DE_PC_Videospiele&hash=item3f22246042

Now I imagine that GG probably gets tons of duplicates of games from fans. What do they do with them?

>>592127

I liked Friday the 13th. Granted, it didn't have a whole lot of replay value once you beat it, but it did provide sufficient challenge.

>>592119

I bought Heavenly Guardian at a gamestop for 99 cents and haven't bothered to actually try it yet, just how much does it suck?

The first is ridiculous though.
I have no idea how ProJared and GG don't know about the second one. It's much better in every aspect.

>>592340

For 99 cents it isn't terrible, but it's nowhere near as fun as the P&R games.

>walk directly into enemies that can barely move and then stand on crack that you already know opens into a chasm

THIS IS LIKE, WAY TOO HARD

>>592786
It's got less to do in it mechanically than pockey and rocky, but you get EXPLORATION to offset that, except it's really not fun to hunt down the shit you gotta find, oh and the game runs on the gamut of YOU GOTTA BEAT IT TWICE IN ONE RUN TO GET THE REAL ENDING AND NOT JUST A SHITTY SCENE OF DURR HURR WHERE ARE WE?

>>591075
>Pocky & Rocky
>obscure
What?
That's hardly obscure.
It's brutally difficult though.
I never got past the last stage as a kid.

If i were a YT reviewer, i will tell people NOT to mark up the price of the game that i recommend, because that is ABUSE and should be a crime.

>>593239
Seriously Screw game grumps, the 1st game is 5 on Nintendoage, which means is just AVERAGE, Not SUPER RARE BS, AVERAGE!!!!!!

AVERAGE!!!, AVERAGE!!!!, AVERAGE!!!!

>>593239

Or you can just buy every copy before your reviews and then sell them at absurd prices...

>>593010
> I never got past the last stage as a kid.
I don't think I've ever beyond the last part in ANY game

>>593276
No, i would actually NOT DO THAT, why?

1.- I don't want to contribute to the problem
2.- I Do Have Standards and Ethics

>>593279

Seriously bro? That sucks. You should take a weekend and sit down with something and finish it, just so you can say you've beat SOMETHING at least.

>>593324

Everyone has standards and ethics, buddy.
It's just that not everybody has THE SAME standards and ethics.

>>593415
I'm sure some people actually think that. There is one universal standard and nobody meets it, but we're all conscious of doing so, and try to make compromises to bolster our egos against the harshness of reality

>>593448

That was deep bruddah

>>593456
Not really, just expensive and tedious

>>593487

Oh ok.

>>593395
Woosh

GOD! Why did they have to create a sudden rise of interest in an old game game by showing everyone how fun it is??? Fucking assholes.

nigga I don't care, snes emulation is perfect

Reported for viral marketing.

Get the fuck out Egayraptor.

>>593523
Fucking pleb, emulation can never replace the real thing

>>593515
The kind of people who watch Game Grumps are the kind of people who are willing to pay astronomical prices for those games.

People who want to buy games because they're "cool" or have "geek cred" or whatever bullshit goes through their heads are the ones who are responsible for nonsense like $300 earthbounds and VGA grading.

>>593543
>my sides
Sure, if you're talking n64 or psX, but sprite-based games work perfectly, or close enough.

>>593549

Indeed. The only reason to own them is purely for collector reasons.

I buy NES and SNES games just to have, but I use emulators when I actually wanna play them, which is like never.

>>593557
>I buy NES and SNES games just to have, but I use emulators when I actually wanna play them, which is like never.
I fucking hate you and everyone like you.

>>593557
>actually playing an rpg without fastforward
I seriously don't understand how people do it. How do people read so slowly and put up with time-filler walking/grinding?

Why do they call Jon the 'not-so-grump' if he's easily the grumpiest of the two?

He never plays anything the right way and complains about the game instead.

>>593565
it's actually nutso grump

>>593562

Deal with it.

Emulation replaces all of those ancient consoles cluttering up your area

>>593580
Good, then sell them, you don't need them, they're clutter.

>>591115
I wonder how much this board has contributed to the current bubble. Don't forget that 4chan gets a ton of traffic, and the speed of the board isnt necessarily indicative of the number of people just browsing.

>>593585

Na. I like them. They look nice all lined up.

>>593515
Exactly! They are such good Samaritans! I'm sure they aren't doing this because Youtube pays them per thousand views to abuse their built in fan base or anything! But hey, the only people that get screwed are the ones that genuinely love the games right? I for one don't mind paying $1000 dollars for a $10 game because some Persian neck beard with the brain of a 6 year old and a failed clone of Michael Jackson that is internet renowned for having more chins than he does animations made a Youtube series where they act like retards and pump out 700 videos an hour with zero original material.

>>593279
How come? Do you give up easily?

>Own Mega Man X
>Zombies Ate My Neighbors

Both have gone up a good bit since then. Thanks goom groomps.

I seriously do not understand what makes youtube "gamers" appealing at all. Every single last one of them sucks shit at games and tries to make up for it with "comedic antics", which is always fart jokes and funny faces.

Fuck, you can tell that some of them don't even play games, they just do it for views.

I'm not even going to touch pic related.

A HURR DURR

>>594007
>it's a bugged video mechanic

I'd still like to see a drawfag design a picture of a bug-jumping mechanic, with DSP's fat face.

>>593668
>abuse
>by simply playing a game and telling jokes
>because they happen to be popular
>as if they're deliberately trying to hike up prices, because they sell their shit and not collect it, of course

You sound jelly, just saiyan. Granted, I'd be jelly too, but I fail to see where there is abuse here, rather than a natural course of supply and demand. If you bring something to a more public eye, demand is likely to go up whether you want it to or not. If it happens to be a solid product and starts getting hype and reputation from there, even more. Then, when you consider how many people have shit like this lying around and want to make a killing, THEY will be the ones that 'abuse' (read: take advantage of) the rise in demand, hiking prices up as far as they can without scaring people off.

People have always been willing to outbid others for any number of reasons, which is how events like this play out. If there is anyone to blame, tis the ego of these bidders, who by forking out hella dosh, enable the inflation.

>>594007
>person says "Thank god for adblock" on dsp's stream
>gets banned
>phil rants on his forums saying anyone with adblock on who watches his content is stealing
>mirror his stream
>copy layout exactly
>actually trick one of his regulars into thinking its real
>have over 80 anons in the stream laughing at his sheer idiocy
>get ip banned from twitch
Well worth it. That was some of the most fun I've had in a long time.

>>594007
why must this faggot have the same name as me. I cringe everytime

>>594027

While the horrible sticker damage pisses me off, the game is still playable. Although, $70 is still a lot of money.

Since when is Pocky and Rocky obscure?

>>594068
>Implying I implied they were intentionally fucking with the market
They clearly are abusing the system though. Notice how the things they were initially e-famous for have essentially ground to a halt, and then there was the part where Arin himself said pro-LPers were whores despite now making thousands by doing it himself. He's nothing but a dirty sell out and I stand firm that it is because Pewdiepie leaked his income.

Imagine if they played Earthbound.

>>594142
I kind of want to see it happen.

>>594142
It's already too expensive for children to buy.

It fucking reeks of /v/ secret-club bullshit in here. Just sayin'. If you don't like something don't watch it, just don't bring your Two Minutes Hate here.

That anyone thinks shit like Pocky & Rocky or Zombies Ate My Neighbors has ever been in any way obscure is laughable, as is the idea that any change to the market will be more than an insignificant blip.

>>594142
Most people that watch them probably already know of Earthbound. Pocky & Rocky is one of those relatively niche titles which had a low production run. Combine this with GG positively commenting on the game and no VC release and you get this scenario.

Dracula X, for example, is another game with a very low production run, but if they bash it don't expect much of a price increase.

>>594159
>people not creaming their jeans for The Skinny Prick and Obese Druggie Fart On Each Other hour

>IT FUCKING REEKS OF /v/ IN HERE DURR

>Be Sega Genesis fanboy
>Game Grumps are idiots and hate the Genesis

Feel bad for you Nintendo bros. I never have to worry about that shit.

>>594159
They were games that, while not particularly obscure, were the kind of game that would be completely unknown to the kind of "gamer" who watches Game Grumps. In fact, I'd go so far to say that to the average modern gamer, especially the kind in question, the fact that they aren't "Mario" or "Zelda" does in fact make them obscure.

>>594172
Well, the Genesis doesn't have the insane price bubble the SNES suffers from. Combine this with the Genesis being less attractive from a newcomer's standpoint, and you get easily affordable games(with a few notable exceptions)

This is a bad time for collecting SNES games, but a pretty good one for Genesis.

That's all in your head man, seriously.

>>594172
Don't worry, they'll come around to playing Toejam and Earl and bash it for having "bad game feel". No game is sacred.

>>594185
Assuming you can FIND Genesis games, that is. It's almost cause for celebration even finding loose Genesis carts around here, let alone in the damn boxes.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Super-Famicom-SNES-Very-Rare-Pocky-And-Rocky-SHVC-KK-Japanese-Game-/290907547064?pt=UK_PC_Video_Games_Video_Games_JS&hash=item43bb70e5b8

Should I bid?

>>594203

I don't know where you live but most people kept Genesis boxes where I come from, because they're hard plastic and a lot of people thought "they go together", you know? Genesis boxes are actually one of the easier boxes to find, along with the manuals, when it comes to retro games.

>>594164
It's not people disliking unfunny dickheads that rubs me the wrong way, it's the constant implication that they're introducing people who don't 'deserve' the games to stuff they might not have played.

As someone way too old to be here I notice there are plenty of people here on /vr/ playing and enjoying games made before they were even born and I'm just happy to see them appreciated.

>>594254
And plenty of people like this guy >>593557
Not to mention you're absolutely fucking right. Most of the people watching game grumps don't deserve those games. It's the same as pewdiepie's fans, they're the kind that are in it almost universally for "geek cred". It's the same as Earthbound.

>>594267
And there we have it. Secret club bullshit. I call it like I see it.

>>594118
What really is abusing the system though? The system is simply 'play games, make jokes, and try to be popular'. That is what they and many others do. Arin being a hypocrite is Arin being a hypocrite; that makes him a faggot in its own right, but it doesn't justify the whole 'fuck [insert gaming/lp celeb here] for making a game I want expensive' trend, which itself is a stupid idea anyway.

What does 'selling out' have to do with anything though, really? That implies that there is some kind of etiquette in making money by playing games and telling jokes. You play games (a good strat is to give some time to popular games, and highlight either really good or really bad obscure games) and tell jokes (they don't even have to be that witty or anything as long as a wide enough crowd gets them). You can even be a dick and bait negative publicity for trolling humor and further widening of attention toward your program.

What exactly would you suggest someone do to make money in this manner, but not 'be a dirty sell out'?

If you own one of the games then thank them for upping its value should you ever have need to sell it.

If you don't, and you're bemoaning the price rise on ebay: What makes you any more deserving than the 'casuals' flocking to buy it and increasing its value? If you cared about it before now you'd already own it.

>>594307
How about "do something that doesn't lower the average IQ".

People like this are literally damaging art as a whole by wimping out and doing something easy for massive amounts of money rather than trying to write or animate like they initially were. Don't worry though, soon nobody will have standards and you'll be able to get Youtube famous too by farting into a mic.

>>594293

You realize that whether or not you dismiss him by calling it "secret club bullshit", what's said in the thread is true.

1) Game Grumps is unfunny shit
2) Because they, and other "let's players" or news articles introduce older and even shittier games to a wider audience, there becomes a higher desire for those games. This is called demand.
3) When demand increases but the supply of a good remains the same, prices increase.
4) Whether or not you feel slighted because of the "doesn't deserve it" sentiment, it stands to reason that now all people who are interested in older games are suffering from inflated prices of those games. Whether they buy to play, or buy to collect, or they're hipster or some shit like that, it doesn't matter; everyone starts to lose.

Earthbound is a mediocre RPG, but because of the cred it has gotten from publicity, it has skyrocketed in price to be even more expensive than rare boxed games. Don't you think that's a little bit bullshit? The fact is that Game Gramps and other such online entertainment programs really do hurt the industry that they capitalize on.

>>594203
>>594185


Dude, Here in Mexico i can find Genesis Games for Less than 35 Pesos (2 BUCKS!!!) and i have gotten some gems, and they are easier to find and faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar ore cheaper than Used SNES games.

Heck i bought Power Rangers the Movie Twice, the 1st copy was beaten up and bought it for 4 and half bucks, then bought a newer copy in pristine quality for 2 dollars at a swap meet, and traded my old copy for Puggsy on Genesis.

Ill tell you, i started to like Genesis a little bit more because of the variety and reasonable prices i can find.

>>594267
What does it matter why someone buys something they want? There is no right or wrong reason for wanting something; collectors have always existed and should not be condemned for doing something that brings them satisfaction.

>>594097
Your name is Darkseid?

>>594349
>Supply and demand exists so let's keep gaming a secret club.
The mantra of selfish pricks who care more about their own status as a collector than in spreading an appreciation for good games.

If you're crying because Game Grumps is unfunny shit: Don't watch it. Problem solved.

If you're crying because supply and demand is a thing: I don't know what to tell you, man. That's the price of introducing classic games to a wider audience. If you gave a flying fuck about gaming as a whole you'd welcome it because a resurgence of interest retro gaming can only help pull the market away from 'cinematic' cowadoody bullshit.

>>594398
>appreciation for good games
It's cute that you still think that's what this is. This isn't an appreciation of good games. This is "Hey, check out this super nerdy old game I got that the Game Grumps talked about!"

>>594398
The spread of a collectable speculation market is NEVER a good thing. They ruined trading cards in the 80s and OBLITERATED the comic book market in the 90s.
It's not about "appreciation for good games" with those pricks.

>>594338
You say that as though such people aren't a minority, and that comedy in its subjective nature doesn't deserve to be well-received because it is beneath your established set of standards. You're telling me that if someone paid you enough to live comfortably that you wouldn't go along for the ride? Especially when you could not 'wimp out' and still work on your other, apparently more valid 'art'?

>>594417
Yeah, they "destroyed" those things. If it wasn't for collectors a lot of these comics and trading cards wouldn't even exist today, they would have rotted away in somebody's filthy attic. A lot of collectors are responsible for driving up prices but they are also ensuring you will be able to find some of these games 20 years down the line.

>>594398

You have no idea of what a "fad" is, do you? It's just a fad to a lot of the newer people. In a couple years, they'll have moved on to whatever the biggest newest hottest thing is. The big hot new thing right now is old videogames.

Prices will go down in a few years once the fad dies out, but we live in the present, and in the present game prices are a chaotic mess, so it sucks for everybody.

>>594398
Except for the fact that a large number of these people only buy these games as some bullshit fashion statement because of their hipster nerd chic bullshit. Keep pretending these people really are learning to appreciate these games

>>594409
I refuse to believe that people are paying current Earthbound prices just to post pictures of themselves with it on Facebook. That shit is an invention of threads like this.

>>594349
>Whether or not you feel slighted because of the "doesn't deserve it" sentiment, it stands to reason that now all people who are interested in any product are suffering from inflated prices of those products. Whether they buy to play, or buy to collect, or they're hipster or some shit like that, it doesn't matter; everyone starts to lose.

Fixed that for you; this happens with just about anything that one can sell once it proves to be of a perceivable quality and popularity. At least, anything without enforced regulation.

So then, if something is good and actually worth buying, no one must ever know about it? Only piles of shit should ever be popular, because otherwise 'everyone loses', right? Or rather, things should never be made too popular, because then everyone will want something, and the world is such that not everyone can have everything, which should be how it works, right?

Do you see what I mean?

Guys, guys.
Imagine: Game Grumps play Madden 94.

>>594447
>I have never visited Tumblr
Good on you, keep up the good work.

>>594447
You really need to get out more then because that's exactly what these people do. They pay the prices because they're damn ignorant and think that is just what they're worth because old=rare in their minds. All it takes is that to happen once on eBay and sellers see how high something sold for and change their prices accordingly. Its bullshit and burying your head in the sand doesn't make it go away.

Alright then /vr/, I pose a question to thee fine gentleman. If I were to make a video on an older video game not a lets play, but similar to a review, is that bad? An example would be Jontron reviewing Bubsy, only to shit on the game(s). Does that really create a problem, or is it fine?

>>594460
The point is that in a market full of things no longer in production it is bad for everyone involved especially of the culprits really don't give a fuck about the product like in this situation you fucking mongoloid

>>594447

I went to a party about two weeks ago. I was talking to my friend and his girlfriend. My friend has an honest appreciation for videogames and we've played hundreds of them together through the years. His girlfriend was one of those girls who used to make fun of videogames in junior high because they were for losers.

After a few drinks we all decided to play some Diddy Kong Racing on their N64. While playing she started talking to me about how she loves Earthbound out of the blue, and how great it is, how it's her favourite game ever, and that it is truly a fantastic piece of art. I wish I was making this shit up. I asked her to tell me more about it because my dislike of the game is no secret, she told me she heard it was great online and told me she bought a copy for $390 cart only so she could play on her boyfriend's SNES. I looked at my friend and he nodded his head indicating it was true. She then told me it was a great deal because usually they go for more.

You have to remove that veil of logic that clouds your eyes. You're thinking the people who have fallen into the fad are smart people. They're not. They're only in it because it's fashionable, and when something is fashionable some people will pay ANYTHING for it.

>>594461

DARN YOU GAMEGROOPS

>>594487
>asking the internet if it's okay to do something you want to pitch into being a thing

Quit being a bitch and just do it; if haters come about, they come about. All that matters is that you do what you feel passionate about. You're apt to get blame for unintended consequences no matter what you do anyway.

>>594487
Do whatever you want. Stop listening to these idiots.

>>594487
I think it could go either way from that. I'd imagine people would say "Well obviously I don't want this game because Game Grumps said it was bad!", but you'll still have a bit more attention because "A youtube celebrity said this is a terrible game so it's clearly the worst game ever tee hee ironic purchase!"

>>594508

I just don't want to become part of the problem. I'll continue to work on my project then.

>>594460

You have no idea what people are talking about here, do you?

>>594520
Does your voice want to make people punch themselves in the face?

If no, proceed. And godspeed, god sir.

>>594497
>namecalling
lol

My point is that old video games are not the only product like that, and that you seem to be endorsing the idea that once something goes out of production, even if it was something good, that future people shouldn't be made aware of it, lest they seek to enjoy it themselves.

Yes, trendyfags exist. Yes, they have their effect on price inflation. No, they are not always the majority, especially as trends come and go. Eventually prices rise and fall, and a guy who blew $3 on Super Metroid may yet discover others who were just as satisfied spending $30 and $300.

The fact that it costs any kind of money will subject it to these things; I'm not saying this is the case, but it really seems from my perspective that you're just mad that this aspect of life happens to be currently affecting something you yourself desire.

>>594556

I hope not. We'll see. Thanks for the encouragement!

>>594520
Your doing this or not will not change the reality that when something becomes popular, it becomes expensive, at least in the relative sense.

>>594548
/thread

>HEY MOM CAN I HAVE MAGIC KNIGHT RAYEARTH FOR SATURN IT'S LIKE THE LAST GAME THEY'RE MAKING FOR THE SYSTEM

>No.

>>594576
You can't just make a post that's completely ignorant of reality, then reply to it saying /thread and think that it actually makes your argument any more grounded in reality than it is.

And, if we assume you're a different person, then it's amazing that there's more than one person as naive as you.

One last thought tends to be that the people who cry "secret club!" tend to be among the ones who are themselves the most destructive.

>>594523
Insofar, the core of it has been two major topics:

>This program I dislike is making out-of-production games popular, which is making more people buy them more frequently, raising its price as a result of competition. Fuck this program and the events that followed. Some people don't even want the games to play them, the faggots.

or

>In general, I dislike the reality that when something out-of-production becomes well-known, people will compete to have it, which will raise its effective worth. It's especially frustrating when some of these people don't even want the product to use it, but for collector's value which to me equates to inflating their egos.

Feel free to corrrect.

>>594449
Collectors and speculators are not the same thing.
Speculators have no actual interest in the particular hobby they are infesting but they swarm into it and affect the prices on things in a dramatic way.

>>594597
The problem is that you use the word "some" instead of "most".

>>594007
I like to tell myself that Phil just fakes his retardation to trick people into sharing his videos so they can feel superior over him. No way in hell someone can play video games as long as him and yet not know how to open the item box halfway through MGS2.

>>594624
Even if he was faking it at one point he can't possibly be doing it now. He's been like that since he was in the fighting game community. Even the best method actors couldn't manage to do it for almost twenty years without becoming the role.

>>594624
I wish it was true, but you've got to face reality. He's for real. Not only is he for real, but he represents a very, very large portion of the people who play video games now.

Despair.

>>594203

There's a shop I frequent that has a good amount of Genesis games. Picked up Sonic 2 in box, After Burner 2 in box for 5 bucks a piece, and a loose copy of Lost Vikings for 6 bucks. I don't both with SNES games now that I have a flashcart. Only games I kept are ones that are worth some money, or games that use the DSP-1 chip, since my cart can't play those.

>No digital re-release
C'mon Natsume, this game would be DIAMONDS with online co-op.

>>594595
>ignorant of reality
>as if the reality isn't that people are naturally inclined to compete for things they want, which means once something is in public light people will fight over it, raising its worth

Where am I ignorant in this?

As for the overarching theme of being upset over price inflation:
-Am I upset that it is now more difficult to obtain products I desire? Yes.
-Do I think it's dumb that people will buy things purely for the sake of having it and effectively waving their HUEG PENIS at people? Oh yes.
-Do I blame the people that brought new spotlight to the aforementioned product for any of this? Not really. They're doing something they enjoy, and the human nature that follows is just the course of things. It would be like getting mad at someone who died because the natural course that followed was that people were saddened. If I blame anyone, it's idiots that, en masse, shell out disproportionately high amounts of money for a product, which only serves as an invitation to set the bar up to that range.

>>594681
He's definitely below average. Even Halo/CoD players know what crouch jumping is.

>>591075
I've been thinking about playing this game, now that I've seen them play it, because it looks fun, but fuck if I'm going to actually play it on an actual system.

That thing looks ball bustingly hard. I'm way too casual for that shit. No way I can manage without savestates.

>>591121
>I think it was pretty much forgotten until Game Grumps

Haha. No.

>>594417
Words of Wisdom, these need to be saved.

>>594716
The Grumps are usually shit at games, but yes, Pocky and Rocky is hellish. I really don't blame you for needing savestates.

>>594612
If by that, you mean to say I am implying a minority, then I apologize; I am neither seeking to imply a minority nor majority. That said, even if it were/is true that the majority of such people are buying the game for such a reason, that is no one's fault but the people that do such a thing, and they are the only people deserving of any condemning. And even if you do send your hate that way, it doesn't change the reality that this is an inherent part of the human being's competitive instincts.

I get mad when a game is made too expensive for me to feel justified in purchasing the game, but I don't rant and rave about the events that led up to it, because really any events that equate to 'something perceived as 'good' is now well-known' would have the same result.

>>592180
They each take one and put it in their collections.
Or if they don't want it/already have it, they sell it and pocket the cash.

>>594716
At least you're honest. Good on ya.

>>594581
And if you want to download ISOs and make bootlegs just for yourself to play those games, they will call you a criminal and the US might prosecute you.

Fucking Fairness Motehrfucker

>>594727
I think I got up to the fourth stage.

>>592180
They thank them and keep it for themselves. I think the idea of running a review show on donated copies is bullshit. If you wanna review something buy it with your own money and do the review. Don't rely on your fans to give you free copies.

I am just jealous because I want free video games.

>>594735

Stop trying to sound smart, you're doing a bad job of it

>>594752

>and the US might prosecute you.

Ha. No one gives a shit about people pirating games from the 90s.

>>594727
Jon did surprisingly well in today's episode after Arin decided to sit out the remainder of stage 3.

>>594753
>trying
>to sound smart

What would make you think that? I just talk/type/write the way I do.

>>594735
You sound like a fucking teenager attempting to sound adult and intelligent, while at the same time you say nothing of value. If you somehow believe that people that have no interest in a hobby making it too expensive for people with a real passion for the hobby to enjoy it, you are indeed a fucking mongoloid. This is how hobbies approach death.

>>594798
Because you go out of your way to be verbose, while actually putting across as little of substance as humanly possible. You're a windbag. Like a pseudo intellectual child.

>>594506

Ok, but so what? Do you really feel yourself more deserving of the game just because you think they don't appreciate on the same level as you do? These people just have all this money and they spend it however will make them happy.

>>594716
>That thing looks ball bustingly hard. I'm way too casual for that shit. No way I can manage without savestates.
Then play without them.
Yes, that sounds counterintuitive, but how else do you think you're going to learn to not suck? And you do want to learn to not suck, right? I mean you're on an imageboard about video games, so surely you have enough interest to want to be good at them, right?

>>594839
B-buh...she dun have gamuh-cred!!

>>594813
>If you somehow believe that people that have no interest in a hobby making it too expensive for people with a real passion for the hobby to enjoy it, you are indeed a fucking mongoloid.

I feel like this is missing something. Did you mean 'If you ------------ is a problem,'? Because if so, I don't disagree that such a thing is problematic in the short run, but it's also usually irrelevant in the long run. Furthermore, how do you solve such a problem? Hide good shit so it's obscure and only those who already knew of it can try to enjoy it? So people can control who gets to enjoy something and who doesn't? Isn't that the problem you're agitated by in the first place?

>>594818
>out of your way
I admit to being a windbag; it comes naturally. If anything, most of my editing of expression is to try and be more concise and straightforward. Sometimes it doesn't work out.

>>594856

Vidcons only for the true gaming connoisseurs like myself.

>>594890
If you seriously believe- ------- isn't a problem'*
fixed typo and made more clear, sorry

>>594896
Goddamnit stop lecturing me about vidcons. I just want to save.

>gaem groops is ghey ur quer fgt
>fuk u niggar ur eleeiss gaem grooops da bess
>This thread

I wonder if there are people who still call /vr/ better than /v/.

>>594950
Tragically, yes.

>>594950

I don't see off topic or "muh gamer politics" on the front page, so yes

>>594859
Not at pseudo-bullet hells, no. It's not really my genre.

>>595067
Then there's no need for savestates either, because there's no need to play it.

>>595075
>needing to be good at video games to be satisfied in playing them

>>595090
>playing video games just to cheat your way through them

Same thing happened with CBFD and Pewdiepie

>>595075
> "You have to get better!"
> "I just wanted to have fun."
> "Then get the fuck out."

>>595134
>"I just wanted to have fun."
http://www.learntocounter.com/i-play-for-fun-the-four-dumbest-words-in-video-games/
Every time until you chucklefucks stop saying that drivel.

>>595124
>local old vidya game store gets conkers bfd in one day
>$70 price tag
>sold the next day
>mfw got mine from there 5 years ago for $20

>>595110
tt's just a game man

>>595141
Oh, you're one of those. Okay.

Have fun with that.

>>595141
>If one seeks to play games at a high level, they have that prerogative. If you don’t like it, you have two ways to deal with it: Get better, or stop playing. While you do that, skilled players will be winning more than you, and having fun doing it.

Two fallacies:
-This this article is about competitive gaming, which isn't what was being discussed.
-If one seeks to play games at a low level, they also have that perogative. And in playing a game by themselves or with like-minded friends, they do not have to face the ultimatum presented in the article's thesis.

>>595187
And you're the kind of person the article (and others like it) describes. Got it.

>>595141
> Get better, or stop playing. While you do that, skilled players will be winning more than you, and having fun doing it.
>and having fun doing it.

I doubt those freaks playing SC2 in tournaments have any fun doing it, they practice the same game for hours every day, its like a job and a very repetitive one.

>>595192
It mainly focuses on competitive games, but the author also notes how the things he's saying apply to all forms of video games (and indeed the points being made can be extended even beyond video games.)

But anyway, yes, if you seek to play games at a low level, that's your choice. Expect to be made fun of for your choice.

>>592119
I played both already, that's how I would know both aka, I knew about the sequel had shitty game covers.

Like I said, they are really good but I won't drop 50 dollars into it.

>>595209
>>595192 here, and it's worth noting that >>595141 does account for that and dicusses kinds of people who might not play for fun (generally people who do so as part of a profession)

>>592098

>>595225
People make fun of others for more foolish reasons; one should expect at least some potential form of ridicule for anything they do.

I agree that people who say 'I play for fun' as if others don't or as a justification for their competitive shortcoming is dumb, but people enjoying a game how they want when fiddling with it themselves is up to them. I have no judgment to cast upon such people, even if it's not something I'd necessarily do or enjoy doing.

>paying more than $100 for any one video game
>not having a job that involves selling or playing video games
Shiggy.

>>595245
Well, then I guess it all comes down to whether or not you're one of the new-age gamers who thinks that video games exist to simply dispense fun on command, or whether the purpose of a video game is to challenge the player, who, by being challenged and overcoming those challenges, enjoys himself.

Captain Savestate over here is obviously the former, and I'm simply the latter. It's like talking about how you love to read books, but then saying "Oh, yeah, I just read the cliff's notes version because I don't want to have to think about what all the words mean."

No, you don't like to read books, and it doesn't even make sense why you'd go out of your way just to do something you don't find enjoyable.

>>595258
It sounds like you take video games way too seriously.

>>595286
It sounds like you're reading the article and using the exact replies that are addressed throughout it to troll.

>>595141
At first, I found myself agreeing with some of the article: some people enjoy playing at competitive levels and have fun doing so, no reason to knock them over it. But then he goes into the psychology of how anyone who doesn't play at that level must secretly be jealous of everyone who does, and that people who just play a few hours of a certain game at a time shouldn't be playing in the first place. Honestly, this author just seems to have a terrible chip on his shoulder and too much of this article seems bent on deriding other people's enjoyment rather than defending his own.

>>595258

Who the fuck cares, you turbonerd?

Video games are for fun. Different people find different things fun. Why do you care what he does for fun.

Also, cliffnotes are not comparable to using savestates. Two different beasts.

>>595294
I didn't even read that shit.

>>595303
No, he doesn't. He goes into the psychology of the people _making excuses_ about it.

>>595258
In the case of the book analogy: Maybe the person still likes hearing a good story, even if abridged? I mean, this is part of why book2movie adaptations are usually successful.

That said, you are right in that the person doesn't enjoy reading books and rather simply enjoys a good anecdote. Clearly >>594716 is of a mindset that dicking around with a Shump is worth his time, even if actually mastering one isn't.

I myself have limits as to what I find to be a fun challenge. I like figuring out games and learning how to use its mechanics intuitively to get better and eventually beat a game. That said, I'd rather play Contra (which at least gives me a chance to apply my skills throughout the game to overcome challenge) than, say, Battletoads (where memorization becomes the focal point of the experience, and I feel like I've learned less about getting the game to work for me and more like I've just plotted out a map). I'm sure there's someone who has a different opinon, but that's my 2 cents.

>>595308
>He goes into the psychology of the people _making excuses_ about it.

And Im sure hes a well respected shrink with decades of experience who has studied tomes of academic work and inspected many patients and cases to come to his well informed conclusion.

>>595328
Sounds to me like something hit a little too close to home.

>>595350
Sounds to me like you dont have an answer.

>>595357
An answer to what? Your compelling argument that offers nothing other than "He can't make observations! He's not the ultimate authority on everything so he's not allowed to make observations of common behavior!"?

You're right, I don't have an answer for that nonsense, because it doesn't warrant one.

>my face when OP most likely didn't even have any interest in owning Pocky and Rocky until he saw the Game Grumps play it, and now he's bitching because it's too rich for his blood.

>>595308
He does that in the beginning, but goes on to make some rather strong statements that label everyone not playing the game a scrub by proxy.

For example:
>And I would propose the player that seeks to learn every strategy, every nuance, and every counter is probably having more fun than a pair of sloppy players who “play for fun”.
>Life, work, and play do not care if you are “playing for fun”. They only reward winning.
>The only question is who will be having more fun, and I probably beat you at that as well. Deal with it.

Quantifying fun, really? If someone loses, and still enjoys the game they played, do we really know if they have less fun than someone who won? Have you ever played a game where there was no score displayed, or a game where there was no specific winner announced at the end? It's still possible to enjoy those games. While I agree that using "I play for fun." as a response to a loss is a weak excuse, his implications that people who aren't putting their all into every game are just not having as much fun is wrong.

Someone who plays Super Street Fighter II Turbo sloppily shouldn't be at Evo, sure. But who's to say that a kid mashing buttons playing on his SNES with a friend isn't have just as much fun as Daigo would be playing against Tokido?

>>594027
Item Condition: Good

>>595380
In all of those examples, he's talking quite specifically about the people making the headline excuse of the article. Those are the people he talks about throughout the entire article, and only those people.

>>595141
Only H4RDC@RE GAYMERS allowed on this board! xD

>>595375
Hes not making observations of anything, hes just assuming things and presenting them as facts.

This is easily the worst thread on /vr/ right now.

>/vr/'s collective face when internet personalities, reviewers, and other such figures will forever play a role in the value of an old video game

>>595389
For the last example, I could see that, since he's comparing himself, a skilled player, against an unskilled player who uses the statement, "I'm just playing for fun". I don't see it in the first example since he's comparing two skilled players playing against one another against two unskilled players playing against one another, a quite different situation. In this case, he's stating that the skilled players will enjoy the game more because they enjoy it at a more complex level, and therefore will have "more fun".

The second example is just a personal statement on his life philosophy, which is hardly relevant to the article itself and just seems tacked in as a dig that anyone who isn't playing to win constantly is living life wrong. I can attest that this simply isn't true. I'm fairly decent at fighters, and play with some friends who are better than me and some friends who are worse. I play differently with the former than I do with the latter. When playing with my less skilled friends, I will try new combos out or pick characters I'm not familiar with, or even just go random select, since I find that beating them into the ground with my best characters over and over again isn't fun for either of us.

While I still agree with his main premise, certain portions of his "winning is life" philosophy detract from the article as a whole. Winning is fun, yes, but who you play with is just as important to having fun.

>>594839

I don't want Earthbound, I just said that game is mediocre. I put in my experience at the party to show that retro gaming is a fad right now

>>595141
>learntocounter.com

Fighting game fans are such aspies, I swear, every other entry on that blog is "HURRR ONLY FIGHTING GAMES ARE GOOD, ESPORTS ESPORTS ESPORTS OH GOD WHY DID I WASTE MY CHILDHOOD PLAYING VIDEO GAMES INSTEAD OF FOOTBALL ;_;"

>>595453
Well said.

>Ctrl+F "Magic Pengel"
>no results

Thank goodness everyone seems to forget they mentioned it.

>>595372
I'll admit I didn't buy you don't know jack until after seeing it on game grumps

>>594008
Goddamnit, the MMX games are my favorite on the SNES and two of them have to cost ridiculous $100+ prices.

>>591075

Fuck, they played Pocky and Rocky? I fucking hate those fuckers. Fuck. I hope they die. Specially jontron. Fat fuck.

>>594703
To be fair, he's pretty decent in grandpa fightans and I guess he made top 8 at Evo 2005. Still a gigantic douche though.

Take everything that's wrong with /v/ and /vg/ and condense it in a single thread, beautiful idea.

>>593565
one grumps, the other gripes

Strangely enough, Chuulip is still selling for peanuts.

>>593565
Arin's had several flip outs, and always about the game at hand rather than whatever off the rails bullshit they were rambling about

>>594172
>tfw I have a larger Genesis collection than SNES

Not only price of games being lower caused this. There just seems to be a larger amount of quality titles on Genesis that no one has heard of.

>>595768
>>595778
>>595793


You guys realize there are still flea markets and thrift stores?.

>>596269
because they were buried under the crappy american Genesis games

>>596296
True and a good number of titles had terrible box art like Alisia Dragoon and El Viento.

All dem shooters though

I only have been influenced by one youtuber when it comes to buying vidya.

In fact, I bought a Genesis pretty much because of CGR.

>>595124

I got my copy for $35 about 4 years ago. I was going through my small collection of N64 games the other day, and did a double take when I realised how much it's worth now.

I'll see if I can hold onto it until it exceeds $100. I can put that cash towards finishing my NES MegaMan collection.

To me there's also the issue of not having bought the game pre-spotlight or whatever you want to call it, if you were willing to pay for but couldn't afford the game for whatever reason I can definitely sympathise with you.

However, if you didn't buy it because "it's not a ~$50 game" and it then goes to ~$150 because of two best grumps or whatever it's pretty much on you, it won't fucking matter if it's ~$150 or ~$50 since you thought that ~$50 was too pricey anyway. Speculation probably fucked you over, it's not unheard of. Same goes for if you only knew about the game because of some celeb.

In short, were you willing to pay for the game before some e-famous dudes played it y/n?

>>596342
>Black Hole pinball machine
I don't even know who he is, but he is one cool motherfucker in my books.

>>596342
>that sneaky shit jack frost

someone tell him he's gonna freeze him!

>>595778
They just play things people send them. So yell at the fans.

Honestly, it's a pretty sweet deal. They get free games sent to them in the mail, and the only thing people expect from them is to upload about twenty unedited minutes each day of them rambling bullshit while playing it.

Wish I'd thought of it.

>>594159
ZAMN went up too? Neat.

>>594693
twin stick shooter!

>>594172
Feels great. Genesis is my favorite console and if someone doesn't have the initiative to check out the other consoles and games that weren't on the SNES during that era than they lose out on tons of quality titles. Hell I have been playing some TG-16 games recently and I enjoy Legendary Ax, and the Neo Geo has excellent games as well.

Man little samson was so good.
The way it makes you play each character individually on stages bespoke unto their abilities before introducing the character switching mechanic.
That's god tier conveyance right there.

How many games have ACTUALLY gone up and price because of Game Grumps?
The only one I ever see cited as an example is Wild Guns, but I remember that being stupidly expensive even before their playthrough of it.

If they really had that much impact on the market I wouldn't still be seeing Goof Troop on sale for 5 bucks.

>>599495
Didn't they freak out that someone had sent them Wild Arms because it was so expensive?