/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5932723
>some day you'll be able to appreciate real 480p like a bvm will give you instead of ghetto 480p on a vga monitor.
Lol it's no different except for possibly the size of the tube
Good PC monitors rival a BVM/PVM/other company's pro equipment in normal operating conditions. Bonuses of a pro monitor are things like rack mountability, better shielding (important when you have a shitload of monitors and patch cables) and low level configuration.

Assembled in USA
they dont make TVs in America anymore

>>5933618
Anon, why did you drag the nonsense troll topic into the new thread? It was already dead and buried you autistic dolt.

>>5933678
Cringe. Scanlines are hideous.

>>5933678
Lookin good.

>>5933613
>>5933678
Pixels so sharp my eyes are bleeding. Just as the devs intended.

>>5933789
Ah yes, much better, right?

NTSC signal generator arrived. Time to do some calibrations

>>5933823
As a matter of fact, yes!

Does anyone have a JVC DTV1700cg or its clones the panasonic bt-h1700p/ikegami htm-1700 and HDRV component cables for Genesis or SNES? I'm trying to do some problem solving with the 240p wobble on rgbs.

>>5933998
need pics
I have no idea what HDRV component cables look like, nor what your wobble looks like.
>widescreen CRT
>>5933723
>>5933987
>>5933789
We heard (you) the first time
>>5933928
Very cool. I forgot to follow through with the station engineer I got my RGB monitors from when they were getting rid of pattern generators. One of my greatest regrets.

>>5934054
>I have no idea what HDRV component cables look like
hd retrovision component cables, if you don't have them don't worry about it
>nor what your wobble looks like.
It's not captured easily, happens on rgbs and can be corrected with a sync separator taking rgbs into rgbhv or using ypbpr for 240p. The wobble itself happens on the entire screen, a few lines wobble left to right making the image appear unstable, appears to be in a wave pattern from top to bottom.

>>5934059
I cannot fathom the level of autism needed to jump through so many hoops just to play Super Mario with negligible picture quality over S-video

>>5934157
I can't understand the amount of autism needed to be mad at people for getting the best possible picture out of their game systems that they spend thousands of dollars on and thousands of hours playing.

>>5934059
OK, when you explained it that told me what it was.
Get a sync stabilizer/time base corrector in the case a stripper doesn't work.
>>5934157
If you get lucky and get it cheap it's not a lot of hoops for noticeably less purple reds.

Anti-intellectualism is a live and well

>>5934202
good setups can be had for sub-$300 easily, and if you're patient and resourceful potentially sub-$100 (old computer monitors that handle 240p/480i).

>>5934258
Same guy replying and I agree. I have a PVM and a 4:3 IPS that I paid less than $300 combined for but I don't think that someone spending $700 when they might have a $40k game collection is really too blown out or if they are dropping the collecting hobby and want an emulation station that will last forever.

I bet you turn these games on just to take these blown-up phone pictures of your old TVs then turn it back off immediately.

>>5934327
This

>>5934327

>>5934054
This one was cheap on eBay you could probably find one as well

>>5933823
unironically yes

I know this is a crt thread but i figured it would be the best pkace to ask. Whats the word on professional/studio lcd monitors? Are they any better than a standard lcd?

>>5934202
Sour grapes, exists in every hobby but autism breeds autism

After fooling around with various versions of CRT-Royale on a PC CRT that included the kurozumi, BVM, and XM29 variants I have decided that the original normal CRT-Royale actually looks the best. I also found that turning off the fake glow effect darkened the image too much. Just get rid of the border darkening because you don't need that. Maybe adjust gamma levels if you need to.

I think if I decased this CRT and mounted it in a cab no one but the top 0.01% of CRT fags would ever guess that it was running a shader instead of native resolution.

And from an objective point of view it just looks really good. I can't think one of thing to actually complain about. The fake scanlines are not too blurry or too sharp. The natural glow and motion clarity of being an actual CRT screen compliments the shader. You still get the great CRT contrast. It's still RGB. Every actually and practically important thing I can think of is there and done well.

>>5933823
This is the first accurate crt photo I have seen in a very long time. Looks great. Serious question, how did these shitty thick sharp line crts become so popular? Might as well use a shader.

>>5934515
Digital Foundry, My life in gaming, phonedork and Mike Matei And also reddit and crtg pre 2018 helped but the honest truth is that retro games are an extremely autistic bunch and you get rabid fanboyism and blind acceptance of what everyone else likes and thinks is good without consideration given to other types of monitors. Case in point, the PVM and FW900 meme, and to a lesssr extent BVMs, and sca(r)t and RGB shit versus consumer crt, pc CRTs, and svideo. Like I said. Autism breeds autism.

>>5934535
retro gamers*

>>5934535
The PVMs and FW900s shouldn't really be considered memes, they just have a time and place. Also the close-up photos of PVM and BVM screens do not really tell the story properly.

In person, sitting a reasonable distance away from the screen, a Sony PVM-2530 is just an amazing thing to look at. Optimally you want to play games on it which were designed with RGB in mind, such as arcade games. These older PVMs have a lower TVL count and do not show thick scanlines.

Even a BVM you can say the same thing about. Sit back a few feet and it doesn't look line-y. Most of them being on the small side for a CRT helps this.

However, I am in agreement that the prices of these things have become absurd, and people really need to understand that similar results can be had with consumer televisions.

>>5934515
>how did these shitty thick sharp line crts become so popular?
Neo-geo.com is the original forum where people started making the association between professional video monitors and video games.

>>5934502
they are not for you

>>5934226
I'm thinking of bypassing the issue entirely, sell off my RGB cables and switch to component as 240p on the wii has no issues so I'm looking to see if anyone else tries something similar.

>>5934502
They are a lot better. No processing, top shelf parts, correct display of interlaced content. I don't recommend them for joe shmoe.

anyone selling any pvms in atlantic canada?

>>5934535
This. It’s a bunch of early PVM adopters saying “wow look at how I can play my games” on youtube that memes you into thinking it’s something you want too. I would guess not a single one of you had any curiosity or interest in picture quality until someone told you it was something to care about. So then you start your own autistic quest for the “holy grail” of displays, whatever that may be to you. At the end of the day you’re just playing the same handful of games you’ve played a hundred times before, but now there’s huge black lines across the screen and everything has a hard right angle to it. All because some pudgy bald fuck on the internet made a video about it.

>>5934626
Reason being?
>>5934728
Good to know. Thanks.

>>5933823
you were trying to be sarcastic but it backfired.

>>5934157
The picture looks really fucking good though

Found at goodwill it's tiny

Friendly reminder to antangonise reseller scum who expect to sell 9" pvms for hundreds of dollars

Saving throw

>>5935061
This

>>5933823
Love the poorfags saying this shit unironically looks good.

>>5936891
Love the memetard justifying his waste of money. (Which will die much sooner than a consumer set due to more hours of use. Go get your money’s worth!)

>>5937083
>Waste of money
But I have the best picture possible. It’s hardly a waste, especially when you consider most other hobbies require a lot more monetary investment.

>>5937136
It’s actually objectively worse. And also objectively not what the developers intended. It’s your money though, burn it how you want.

Any time someone says CRTs are no longer manufactured please correct them because they in fact are still manufactured, such as by Thomas Electric
https://www.thomaselectronics.com/manufacturers/

These CRTs are used mostly in laboratory equipment, but they are CRTs nonetheless.

>>5937149
This page is also useful
https://www.thomaselectronics.com/faq/

>>5937149
Thank you my friend are useless knowledge

>>5937145
>objectively
You don’t know what that word means.
>not what some of the developers intended
FTFY.

Here is a photo of some avionics CRTs in use. It is easy to confuse them for LCD but that is not the case. These are CRT displays. I would guess LCD is not preferred due to viewing angle, response time, and contrast issues.

I have no idea what kind of signals these CRTs expect, but where there is a will there is a way and it would be possible to play video games on these if you were absolutely determined to do so.

The thing about some of those aircraft CRTS are that they may be configured as vector displays rather than rastor displays. But there are ways of converting one to the other.

>>5937168
A320 is an old plane, CRTs were still in their prime

>>5937168
That's a real old picture, Airbus switched to LCDs as standard around 2003 and almost all flying today have been retrofitted.

>>5937145

And it's worth it to investigate the industrial side of ebay sometimes to see what CRTs are on offer. Most of the time everything is hideously overpriced, and you have little information to go on. CRTs used in CNC machines and the like are usually not 15khz displays.

But this one:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-1980-Tektronix-Tek-T1-Color-CRT-module-NEC-220DB22-TC01-Tube-NEW/264457658070?hash=item3d92e79ed6:g:d3cAAOSwN7BdUF9n

>1980
>made by NEC
>$190 shipped

I don't know... if it turned out to be 15khz it would go very nicely in little arcade cab build. A lot neater looking than a 9" portable CRT television.

>>5937189
>>5937192
It's just a good example photo.
>almost all flying today have been retrofitted.
Almost, but not all. That is how companies like Thomas Electric are still selling CRTs.

>>5932307
BM-H1900SU

>>5937154
None of those applications are "imaging"

They do in fact have cathode ray generation occurring, but it's not being used to create raster images.
>>5937205
Not 15khz capable ones for raster images
last company that I know made color monitors was Conrac. They died around 2014.

>>5937218
Thomas Electric still sells color CRTs, unless their page is outdated. I do not see any of them in the parts list but they have a portion of the page dedicated to them.

You would have to hack around a way to send video to it from your PC, and it would be whatever resolution and timing required, but it could be done.

However you are right that they probably don't actually manufacture new ones anymore.

>>5937225
Try to contact them and buy one.
Conrac had its page for the K42 up for years after they stopped responding to inquiries about it.

>>5937231
I'd say they have one somewhere for sale but want $20,000 for it.

>>5937215
nice
jvc gang

>>5937197
look at those thick, sharp, scanlines.

>>5937338
Had to have been in RGB.

>>5937385
Sure, Japan had JP21 available so RGB was an option for them. But the display they're using for those pics is obviously doesn't have a very high TVL rating which is how it should be regardless of the video signal.

>>5937391
What type of cable came packed with the Mega Drive/Genesis again? Maybe they would think to design games around how most people would be displaying them...I dunno...

>>5937632
or maybe you're retarded?

>>5937632
Because you cater to the most common connection, which would be composite. Hell even the original fat ps3s came packed with composite. Do you really think thats what developers intended the ps3 to be played through?

>>5937632
Ahh, pack ins, truly the way it's meant to be played

>>5937632
Coaxial only or fight me you big bitch, this is what the developers designed every single game around and if you play ANY other way you’re WRONG

I know next to nothing about CRT tvs, other than that I used them a lot growing up. Was recently given this and figured it'd be worth dusting off my old PS1 for. What aspects of it should be looked at first?

Additionally, and forgive me if this is a stupid question - did CRT televisions always make this constant, barely audible noise when they're turned on? Because it's something I'd never noticed as a kid, but it straight up gave me a headache when this TV was powered on.

>>5937734
>did CRT televisions always make this constant, barely audible noise when they're turned on? Because it's something I'd never noticed as a kid, but it straight up gave me a headache when this TV was powered on.

Yes

>>5937632
My launch Genesis came with an RF adapter, bought the composite cable and minijack-RCA stereo cable separately.

>>5937734
Shut up about a fucking headache you ridiculous snowflake. Nothing gave you a headache except your own imagination. There is pretty much no audible noise from a CRT tv unless you're in complete silence and even then it's not annoying in the slightest.

>>5937734
That's just the government-mandated mind control hum. You're not supposed to talk about it.

>>5937792
How did I not notice it back then? Apparently, younger people are sensitive to it pretty exclusively. I'm 24 and this is the first time I've noticed it.
>>5937826
Well, it'll probably just go away with time if I let it.

>>5937830
>24
You're still young. When you were a wee lad you probably heard it but never actually paid it any mind.

Am I just a big gay faggot that has had terrible luck or am I doing something wrong?

I must be on my fourth Wega Trinitron for the last 2 years and I've been having constant geometry or convergence issues with all of them. Image shrinking or expanding when there's too much white showing, shaking image when transitioning between stuff like map to gameplay, a shit ton of bowing, as well as other minor stuff that would make you go crazy.

I realize flat screen CRTs have much more of a problem with this stuff than older models, however I'm not willing to sacrifice S-video and component inputs to get a non flat. Can the way you plug all your shit into the wall socket interfere with image quality? Should I stop getting flatscreens? Help me, /vr/. I have a lot of good shit to play but I've had the worst luck with displays.

>>5937903
You could have a bad ground in your home, butt= this is more of a power supply issue. I have a Samsung Syncmaster that does that. This is normal and an inherent caveat of the display technology.

Either your try replacing the caps on the PSU if you feel comfortable doing that as the meme that "you'll kill yourself anon!" actually applies here or you just live with it.

>>5937903
You are just a big gay faggot; there are round CRTs with component.
Toshiba 27A42 from personal experience.

(Pictured: not a 27A42)

>>5937979
You're an idiot.

>>5937708
Fascinating.
>>5937632
It came with an RF switch.
Possibly also composite cable with mono audio.

>>5937995
>>5937903
>Am I just a big gay faggot?
>>5937979
>Yes you are just a big gay faggot because you're wrong
>>5937995
>NO U

>>5937998
>Possibly also composite cable with mono audio.
What's this "possibly" shit? If you don't know, don't imagine.

>>5938002
I remember for a fact that it came with RF because my family had a shit TV we used the RF switch with. I still have the RF switch.
I am not 100% sure if mine came packed with a composite cable or not, though, so I said it could have been but I don't remember.

>>5938004
It didn't

>>5938007
OK, thanks then. Now I know. See how easy that would have been to say the first time instead of getting triggered?

>>5938008
Everything triggers me, you ultrafaggot!! Stupid piece of shit!!

>>5937734
>>5937792
No. 15 khz CRT coil whine should not be bothersome. If you can hear it enough that it is bothering you then something is wrong with the CRT or it was very poorly made. I've run across several such units in the last decade ( and used younger ears as well as my own to test them ) so I'm afraid it's getting to the point where people are thinking this is normal behavior but it's not.

>>5937903
>I must be on my fourth Wega Trinitron for the last 2 years
Yeah, something is wrong with your set-up which is causing power supply issues.

>>5937903
>Can the way you plug all your shit into the wall socket interfere with image quality?
YES

Google "ground loop interference". If you have your devices plugged into two different wall outlets going to the same TV you can have this problem.

>>5938148
>No. 15 khz CRT coil whine should not be bothersome.
Anon may have found it bothersome but you're not answering the question that was asked.
>did CRT televisions always make this constant, barely audible noise when they're turned on?
The answer to this is yes and your answer of "no" is wrong.

any of you tards are lookin for a trinitron theres one for free on the orange county CL right now

Left, composite: soft, elegant. Represents the beautiful hand drawn art faithfully and beautifully. Clearly as the developers intended

Right, S-video: cringe. And, if I’m being honest, yikes. Sharp, hard, rough, mosaic-like effect as seen on breasts on basic cable. Ironically looks lower resolution than the former. Certainly does not represent the art well or any art for that matter, unless it is of a checkerboard.

I think we can all see which is the superior cable.

>>5937724
mate, you're choking on your mouth foam

>>5938148
Some of my pro monitors have always had very loud whine. Even when new. That's because usually they'd be deadened by their installation environments.

Usually, consumer sets and old 15khz computer monitors are quieter because they've been designed to contain the noise better. The noise is quite faint on my Apple II composite monitor.

This screenshot is from an episode of "The Whitest Kids U' Know," because it was the easiest way I can think of to get a shot of an old-school TV studio environment.

...Actually, I think the KTMA season of Mystery Science Theater 3000 also used interior shots of their local TV station.

>>5938014
>>5938008
>>5938000
>>5937995
>>5937979
Why?

>>5938409
Found another in my collection…
From the 1978 BBC Videotape Department's internal christmas tape.
>>5938418
Who are you asking?

>>5938431
Another, same tape.

There are some isolated Conrac monitors in the 1979 tape though.
(Also a dalek)

>>5938436
I wonder what these people look like now.
The ones that are still alive, anyway.

She looks cute, IMO. (1979 christmas tape, "Good King Memorex")

Yeah, you can most clearly see the how the racks would contain the ringing here. (MST3K)b

Not sure if it's okay to ask about soldering in this thread, but since it's a useful topic for repair or CRTs and other /vr/ stuff I figured you guys might be best to ask. Is it okay to just go with a cheap soldering iron if I'm only really doing one or two small projects? I've got no soldering skills so I'm worried if I need something like temp control on a more expensive model to avoid damaging my equipment.

I'm just trying to do a SNES jr RGB mod and replace some caps to hopefully fix a semi-dead power conditioner.

>>5938584
I did my first several projects with a cheap 15/30W iron from RadioShack, including a SNES Jr. RGB amp install and a PC Engine Duo recap. You have to be really careful with smaller stuff to avoid damaging pads, though. If you don't mind spending a few more bucks you could get one of those chink temperature controlled ones that Voultar was shilling, I think they were around $50.

>>5938584
Cheapo uncontrolled irons you've got more chance of ripping pads off or burning things with too high temps, I'd highly recommend at least getting a cheapo china 936 clone like this https://hobbyking.com/en_us/soldering-station-with-adjustable-heat-range-us-warehouse.html

>>5938606
>If you don't mind spending a few more bucks you could get one of those chink temperature controlled ones that Voultar was shilling, I think they were around $50.
I was actually looking at that a couple days ago, but it almost seemed like a waste to spend that much on something I'm going to use once or twice. Plus that ship time from China is ass. Going down to my hardware store and just buying one seemed more convenient. I'll definitely try and get a temp controlled one though now like you and >>5938613 are saying. My SNES jr has sentimental value so I'll spend a bit more so I don't fuck it up irreparably

>>5938617
If you've never soldered before, definitely practice on something you don't care about first. It takes a little bit to get the feel for the technique.

I'm glad nobody even have that guy a (you). Of course, that will change over the next few days. Never fails in this thread.

Don't fall for the scart meme!

>>5938617
Ignore that recommendation and go with this.

https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F302845294440

They utilize the new hakko T12 tips that heat up far faster than the traditional tips, allow you better control of the iron, and cool far faster.

I have one going on 6 months and I’ve done everything from TSOP original Xbox’s, DCHDMI installs, and recently tackled the RGB amp mod for the N64.

Perfect for hobbyists and beginners

>>5938339
indeed

Hey I bought an HDMI -> VGA converter and it works well but the image is too far to the left and adjusting it on the monitor settings won't get it far enough to the right. What settings do I need to change to fix this with a custom resolution? Front porch? Sync width?

>>5938703
T12 is definitely nicer but it's more than double the price of the 936 shit

>>5938716
To move to the right add more back porch, less front porch

>>5933928
What other patterns does it have besides color bars?

>>5938703
That's the one Voultar recommends, mentioned before. I have an aversion to chink shit but this seems to be built well so, not sure what to think.

>>5938584
Yes, but a soldering iron is empowering. I find myself using mine more all the time.

At least get one you can control the temperature on.
>>5938646
There's one every thread
>>5938895
I have a chink iron. It's not as nice as my 80's era pace soldering station (slower to heat) but it does the job.

Why exactly is Voultar a personality that 4chan people know now? Did he start being a youtuber or some shit?

I used to chat with him a lot on IRC, from around 2013 to recently. Hadn't really noticed but I haven't seen him there in a few months. He was usually pretty knowledgeable but there were times when people (myself and others) were able to call him out on things. He usually took it well.

>>5938931
>Did he start being a youtuber or some shit?
Yes
>He usually took it well.
See youtuber.

>>5938931
>Why exactly is Voultar a personality that 4chan people know now? Did he start being a youtuber or some shit?
Yes, and he also sells nice RGB mod boards for various consoles, so he's relevant to /vr/.

>>5938937
That's how I found out about him. I don't like modifying my consoles at all if possible, but it's a must for the SNES jr and his board is cheap and looks really easy to install to me.

>>5938937
Welp. I'd do that if anyone wanted. I've done it for people on nesdev before.

No youtubing though, youtube is cancer

>>5938971
I've not found a snesjr rgb mod that was hard before. Someone once supplied me a retroRGB amp board with absolutely fucking massive resistors and I still made it work. I'd never use anything that size on one for myself, though.
Still I've got two 1CHIP's so I'm not in the market for a mini.

>>5939008
Jesus fucking Christ what is that unholy mess? I sure hope no one has ever paid you for that level of work.

>>5939008
p.s.
I use a lot more flux these days.
>>5938639
Also use lots of flux. It's really miraculous.

>>5939016
$10
I live across the street from the guy, so if it ever fails (hasn't yet) I can fix it for him easily.
I've told him I'd like to reflow it/replace resistors if he has a chance.

>>5939018
You have no business charging money for that garbage, holy fuck.

>>5939021
I'm glad you feel that way.
DESU I regret doing that one, four years ago
I also modchip (my own) playstations

It's a good thing that people look at the screen when playing modded consoles, and not at the motherboards

Same goes for PC building cable management

>>5939026
>wadded up knot of spaghetti
I sincerely hope I'm just getting trolled here.

>>5939029
El cheapo rgb
Also note hot glue blobs

>>5939029
>>5939032
forgot pic
>>5938646
Amen brudda

>>5939029
I bet you manage the cables in your PC too

>>5938646
Yeah fuck scart. JP21 all the way baby!

>>5939045
I see you don't like vanilla; you only like french vanilla.

who else consumer s-video BVLL here?

>>5938703
I've been eyeing the TS100, it's a really cool design. Look up some reviews on it if you have the time.

>>5939054
Didn't know s-video made it to Australia.

n word

Hi guys is there an alternative to Tim Worthingtons n64rgb board? It’s never in stock.

>>5939356
Get a good S-video cable and call it a day.

>>5939356
Do you absolutely need his board? Assuming you have a normal dark gray N64 and you're not a europoor, you can probably just use the normal cheap RGB board that's just an amp. Costs like 10 bucks for the board and parts.

https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/dfpdnd/just_won_a_bvmd24e1wu_what_accessories_would_i/

if any of you want to be mad today...

>>5939131
What retroarch gui theme is that?

>>5939356
Borti's one, there are several people selling them https://arthrimus.com/product/universal-nintendo-n64-rgb-mod/ or you can make your own for about 20 bucks qty 1.

How do I adjust the focus on a Viewsonic G225f monitor?

>>5940370
you need to open the case up and there's a pot or two on the fbt

>>5940376
I found the pots, but the power button is out of orientation, and won't turn on the CRT. How do reorientate this?

>>5940468
idk how you expect any help with a picture like that.

>>5940501
Decided to open the CRT up further. I took out the power button, rearranged the spring, then put the power button back in, and it works now.

My CRT has discoloration around the sides, is there more to do other than degaussing it?

This can is pretty old.

>>5940618
degauss multiple times. If in a week the manual and built in degaussing doesn't remove it it may be an issue with the flyback, and good luck with that

Arggg... for the past few years I've been going to the local dump to rummage through their collection of CRTs that are going to be recycled. It's gotten to the point where I have "a guy" down there that will give me a heads up every now and then. I've managed to get a few good hauls but. admittedly, nothing too spectacular.

I went down there today to check out what they had and my boy tells me that this will be the last time he lets me do this because "things are changing." I thought maybe he got in trouble or something with his boss but it turned out to be even worse. He said that they are going to start classifying CRTs as 'hazardous waste' and taking them into the area with the mercury light bulbs, etc. I asked why they were changing this all of a sudden and he said his boss said something about the EPA not like how much energy they use so they want to keep them from getting back out.

If this turns out to be true... do you think it will affect craigslist and all that? I imagine the EPA can't stop people from giving them away or selling them, right?

>>5940656
This makes no sense. the EPA is incredibly dysfunctional for the time being. Electronics recycles receive a stipend for each monitor recycled from the government. so if they're giving them away for free, where do they get the money for it? I'm lucky that this place I frequent still sells their CRT monitors. I found a couple notable consumer sets through them.

>>5940637
I have a large supply of Radio Shack branded compressed air that I suppose will be such a relic someday.

>>5940656
He is full of 100% grade A bull shit and the real reason is they found out they are worth $$$.

>>5939131
Looks like the PS3 UI.

>>5937734
>did CRT televisions always make this constant, barely audible noise when they're turned on?
Yup. You should've noticed it more as a kid as the high frequency noise is more easily heard by young ears.
Some 7/11's use a similar noise a deterrent to keep youths from hanging out around their stores from what I hear.

This Dell P1230 has vertical lines in the middle of it, anything I can do to fix this?

>>5941142
Forgot picture

>>5941146
oh man, that looks like grille damage. did you get it like this or did it happen in transport?

>>5941147
I found it like this at a flea market, they said something about magnets causing the damage.

>>5941151
yeah I've got a pvm with a similar issue but to a much lesser degree. you could try working it out with a deguassing tool or magnets, but I have a feeling that the grille is permanently damaged which is a shame as that's a high end monitor. try taking a reasonably powerful magnet and running it around the area to see what happens then deguass it after.

>>5941154
The lines seem to get less pronounced on the top and bottom of the screen, but in the center are still the same.

>>5940763
I fucking miss Radio Shack. And Circuit City.

Pic related is an old set destroyed by the elements, but look how cool the case is.

>>5941185

>>5941185
Last one.

>>5941187
the moulding on the top is interesting. can't say I've ever seen that on a console set, they're always flat on top. it's really odd seeing the GE logo on a tv as well. I know they were quite prolific back then but I didn't grow up in that era so it's a strange sight.

>>5941185
That's neat. Even though they're sad, I like abandoned CRT pics. Found these guys tossed behind my local Toys R Us when they were going out of business a couple of years ago. I have to wonder if the little one was once part of a demo setup. I probably first tried Mario 64 on it, decades ago.

just the way the developers intended

>>5941320
>Flash cart
>Intended

>Breathing air from 2019
>Intended

>>5941320
If you aren’t playing with the pack in RF cables you aren’t playing so Th power boi, get outta here

>>5941345
if miyamoto were still alive he'd probably rather us play sonic on flashcarts than supporting resellers who jack up the prices of old carts.
>>5941349
that is actually rf believe it or not.

>>5941320
lookingood.png but in wide-screen.

Apologies for invoking e-celeb faggottry but did anyone catch this?

https://youtu.be/z-q8ehzHeQQ

Looks like a really interesting technology. Anyone here have any hands-on experience with this type of monitor?

I too love digital processing and lag.

So I was gonna set up one of my CRT's but it turns our that where it was stored the cord got chewed up by a mouse or rat. Either way, I wiped it down with Lysol wipes just to sanitize it, but what's a good way to clean it off? It's been forever and it has a bit of crud on it, are the Lysol wipes fine?

>>5942496
Bleach it my man

>>5942529
Yeah, fuck that, I'd rather not ruin the wood-grain plastic and grey faceplate.

>>5942593
I thought you were just talking about the cable. Maybe window cleaner with ammonia. I've used that before to clean crts from the 70s/80s and it works fine.

>>5942637
Oh, no, the cable's dead, I'm gonna replace it. I'll try some window cleaner, was just worried about washing out the color or making the plastic brittle or some shit.

>>5942647
Didn't have any issues when I cleaned my latest pickup with it and it's an early 80's tv that was in service until a few years ago, in a heavy smokers house. Looks surprisingly good considering the circumstances, needs a recap and the control pots cleaned though.

>>5942657
Nice, I got something like that, dunno if it works, it didn't have a cord and I haven't gotten to getting one and soldering it in. Good to know thanks.

>>5942657
Here's the Panasonic that the cord got chewed on. I tried getting a console to run on it a bit ago but it wouldn't tune in right, seems like the dials on the bottom are for fine-tuning channels. I was hoping to get it back up and actually try and get it working right.

this is a hot little tv, I love it

>>5942657
do you really watch selectavision movies? I feel like the library of movies available in that format is really shitty

>>5942835
No, the stylus isn't in good enough condition to watch anything and a few of the disks are quite fucked too. I have like 30 movies though. It's mostly just a neat format to collect since nobody knows about it.

>>5942849
damn, do new styluses cost a fortune? have you ever looked for a replacement? I hear the picture could actually be quite good when everything is working properly

>>5942852
They're actually rather inexpensive and hobbyists makes new ones. You can sometimes find NOS as well. It's just not something I can spare money for right now.

So I recently picked up a Viewsonic G220fb Monitor for the price of $5. It's working, doesn't have distortion, and outside of some resolution and graphics card combos giving me weird image positions, seems to be able to handle damn near everything I throw at it. The only downsize is, well, every 1600x1200 CRT is gonna be heavy. Pictured here is the Macintosh version of Dark Forces running in 640x480 mode.

My question is, though, how would I go about connecting my Dreamcast, and maybe some other consoles from the generation that shall not be named to it? I'm asking because there seems to be a bunch of dreamcast VGA cables out there that all end in a male connector, and I don't know if getting one of those and an adapter would be good, or if I legitimately need a VGA box. And, with those boxes, I'm a bit unsure of which would actually be the best.

>>5943006
https://www.ebay.com/itm/YPbPr-to-VGA-RGB-transcoder-converter/174054829301?hash=item288679ecf5:g:9J8AAOSwkCddJDbW

get this for OMG NOT RETRO >:( consoles which have component which is of course all of them. for dreamcast vga there's a seller on ebay called thefoo.83 who makes them but he doesn't have any in stock atm, try contacting him and see if he could whip a batch up. keep in mind that gamecube and ps2 have certain parts of bootup which are still 15khz so it's not a foolproof solution to hook them up to a vga monitor.

>>5943047
OSSC works quite well for 480i shit with an HDMI to VGA adapter from my experience, bob deinterlacing doesn't look bad on a CRT at all, obviously a lot more expensive tho

>>5943204
or you could save a lot of money and not be retarded by getting a GBS8200 and flashing custom firmware on it instead.

>>5943006
>>5943047
>for dreamcast vga there's a seller on ebay called thefoo.83
Bullshit you don't need any of vgabox shit for Dreamcast, just buy vga cable from the aliexpress and plug it in to the monitor and that's it. It looks and works great.

>>5943047
Dreamcast is considered retro

>>5943206
If you like 2-3 frames of latency, sure.

Are there any differences between from 80s to 90s tvs?

>>5943713
Yes. There are also differences between '80s and '90s cars, computers, refrigerators, and many other things.

>>5943614
gbsc is less a few lines

My tv has like a hundred caps
Should they be replaced

>>5943729
Like what?

>>5943787
If by "a few lines" you mean "one full frame at minimum" then yes.

>>5943354
My monitor doesn’t have an input per se, just a Male VGA cable coming out of the back.

>>5933613
A guy I know bought pic related. What an absolute beauty that TM14-17RP is

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sega-Dreamcast-Official-S-video-S-video-Cable-USA-SELLER-very-rare/283019604079

fucking stupid

Any anon here know about the Dreamcast pelican VGA box ? Local shop has one for $25. Worth picking up?

>>5944129
What an absolute fucking idiot.

>>5943363
it shouldn't be but it doesn't really matter since it's as irrelevant as the 3do.
>>5943354
thefoo makes good vga cables and they cost like $20 but enjoy your cheap crosstalking chink shit, loser.

>>5944129
A microwave with a TV built in?

Only partially related to the topic, but I need to put my CRT TV over a horizontal desktop PC which I'm currently using. Are there any dangers of radiation or other kinds of electromagnetic discharges bleeding in and messing with magnetic/flash drives? I get that PC monitors were/are usually put above horizontal desktop PCs, but I figured that because of the extra plastic stand below, it would prevent any kind of crosstalk from ever happening. Am I worrying too much? I cannot find a satisfactory answer looking online.

>crt has a black line going down the right side of it when playing games
Well.

>>5944423
most you'd be worried about is the deguass coil fucking up any magnetic media in the pc but the metal case of the pc should block any of that from getting in.

>>5944490
many thanks for the prompt response anon

>>5943795
As a general rule of thumb yes. And just to be safe do it twice.

>>5944432
Got pics?

>>5944423
Floppies / tapes real close could be at risk, hard drives, flash and anything inside a metal case should be fine.

>>5943878
you don't know what GBSC is, eh ?

Anyone know if JVC D-series remotes are interchangeable like most of Sony's TVs?

>>5944823
Maybe it's better that the retards don't know what it is. Let them waste money on an OSSC and HDMI to VGA converter.

In a few weeks I'm gonna start my journey into hobby-ish CRT repair. Have a PVM which may need new caps (going off of my limited research) in order to properly correct its geometry.
Where do I start if I have enough soldering experience to install a PSX modchip.

>>5944846
Sony service manuals have parts lists. Get the one for your CRT and build a list of caps on digikey. Once you get them in just go to town and make sure the polarity is right when applicable. Don't forget to die while working on it cause CRTs are oh so sucking dangerous to work on according to reddit.

>>5944857
I know you have to discharge them by using like a skrewdriver on a long plastic stick. I've heard that it's a good idea to leave them unplugged for ~24 hours before doing work on them, is that a meme, or a better safe than sorry thing?
And I'll be sure to get the service manuals. I've been watching some stuff on YouTube and the procedure seems pretty straight forward if you just want to replace the caps that deal with screen geometry

>>5944865
You should definitely short the tube to chassis before working on it. The reason people say to leave it unplugged for a while is cause all semi-modern CRTs have a bleeder circuit which slowly bleeds the charge in the tube while it's off, so even when you discharge it there might not be anything to discharge. But better safe than zippity zapped. Retro Tech on youtube has some decent videos on recapping PVMs and shit if you haven't already found his channel.

>>5944795
Thx for the confident answer anon

>>5944871
>Retro Tech
That's where I got the skrewdriver on a stick thing.
But yeah, I'm gonna do a lot more research into this stuff before I even attempt to do anything with it.

This facination with CRT is the biggest retarded meme in existence.

Maybe I’m retarded, but...I don’t see much difference between my 14 inch CRT via SCART and my modern HDTV via HDMI. I play mostly snes games and have compared my original snes vs snes mini, super nt, I see well defined pixels in both cases? No magical scanlines or anything like that on the CRT

Is this thing salvageable?

>>5945476
That's because you're doing it all wrong. You're supposed to use the shittiest, most worn out CRT you can find and connect your consoles through 14 daisy-chained RF switchboxes. Then, and only then, will you achieve SOUL.

>>5945729
Just use some WD-40

So we are all in agreement that an RGB modded console television is actually the finest /vr/ CRT set-up one can possibly create, right?

>>5946565
as long as it's a shadow mask and not a fagerture grille

>>5946568
I leave that up to your tastes.

We need to do an infographic about CRTs. Basically an idiot's guide to them. I'm thinking about getting some nice example photographs and including the basic ideas of

>You don't have to get a PVM. Consumer televisions are just fine.
>S-video is underrated
>Anything under 19" is probably too small and you'll wish you had gone bigger
>Sony isn't the only brand you should be looking for
>Shadow Mask is equally as good as aperture grille in its own way and you may even prefer it
>PC CRTs are useful and as you get further into the CRT hobby you'll regret passing up on the good ones when you first got into the scene

It appears the majority are still fools when it comes to HD CRTs.
https://www.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/dh3106/one_of_the_holiest_of_grails_kv40xbr800/

By the time people realize the potential of these units they'll all be in the dump. Ho hum.

>>5943006
Looks like a shader.

>>5945729
If hasn't been exposed to moisture it is very likely.

>>5940528
good for you.
>>5940618
remove the built in speakers
>>5941165
do it from behind the tube
>>5944840
OK, I'll bite. What are JVC D-series remotes?
Photos are useful. Is this a pro screen or consumer tv?
>>5945209
No u
>>5945729
Perhaps but you'll have to take it home and clean it up and turn it on to find out.
Good luck, there's a good chance it is.
>>5946617
>S-video is underrated
You're wrong though. People pretty much are spot on describing it. I'll use s-video on my n64 because I don't have enough N64 games to justify upgrading it and because most games have that blur filter on them anyway. It is a step up from composite but quantifiably worse than RGB in all but theoretical conditions where both the encoder and decoder are perfect.
>You don't have to get a PVM. Consumer televisions are just fine.
*some consumer TV's are just fine.
Many aren't.
>Sony isn't the only brand you should be looking for
True.
>Anything under 19" is probably too small and you'll wish you had gone bigger
That's an absolute lie though. I prefer my 14" to my 20".
>Shadow Mask is equally as good as aperture grille in its own way and you may even prefer it
Not really because you need to be more specific. I do prefer tri-dot shadow masks but rectangular slot masks suck.
>PC CRTs are useful and as you get further into the CRT hobby you'll regret passing up on the good ones when you first got into the scene
1) There is no scene
2) PC CRT's are less useful than TV's unless you're an emufag who can't afford a Wii or you find one that will handle 15.6khz.
>>5946609
Both have pros and cons. Just because aperture grilles cost more doesn't mean they're necessarily better, but they aren't actually worse either.

>>5938339
Someone drank the kool aid.

>>5946643
pseud post

>>5946654
>pseud post
Not sure what that means. Enlighten me.
>>5941350
>if miyamoto were still alive
He is alive, though. What are you smoking?

>>5946643
>There is no scene
You are literally posting in it right now.

>>5946675
There may be a community, there is no scene. Once I've met more than two people IRL who now about pro RGB CRT's it is no longer a scene. it's reddit tier at best. Everyone I know who plays old video games either has a CRT or a scaler.
There's a warez scene because cracking software isn't a mainstream activity (although using cracks is among computer users). There'd be a CRT 'scene' if it wasn't one of the first things people learned about when getting into retro video games.

>>5946708
>There may be a community, there is no scene
This is the most autistic contrarianism that has ever been posted in this general.

>he thinks a community is the same as a scene

>>5946662
Wow you're retarded and dont even realize it. Pretty sad desu

>>5946784
So please enlighten me if I'm wrong, faggot

So I just bought a Turbo Duo R that had been RGB modded, but I don't have a TV that can accept it in any way.

Was wondering if I could somehow output S-Video from the modded port?

Pretty happy with how this picture turned out

>>5946838
Yes, you can buy an RGB to S-video converter. Make sure you get one that is fully analog and doesn't add input delay.

>>5946848
Word, thanks man I'll look into it. For some reason didn't even think about just a converter on the existing scart cable.

>>5946838
Simple way?
http://www.js-technology.com/store/product.php?id_product=17
Cheap way?
https://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/analog-devices-inc/AD724JRZ/AD724JRZ-ND/653959
RGB -> NTSC/PAL composite or Y/C encoder
You'll also need an appropriate oscillator crystal for that method.

>>5938339
calibrate properly before you take a pic faget

>>5946838
https://www.ebay.com/itm/RGB-VGA-to-NTSC-S-video-transcoder-encoder/173993159968
It's based on >>5946858 chip

>>5946845
Maybe this is closer to how it actually looks in person. From my old DSLR.
>>5946868
Holy markup, batman.
That's an expensive encoder board considering the IC is ~$12 and it has a crystal and a handful of other components.
Still, it should work.
Anyone have a better shot of the PCB (maybe top-down)?

>>5946865
I did, and with more professional equipment than you have, I guarantee! They're two different sets and sure to have slight differences in picture.

>>5947086
What equipment? Chroma is clearly off.

>>5947193
it could be color temperature.
Not unrelated to chroma, but often not calibrate-able on consumer garbage.
>>5947086
>I did, and with more professional equipment than you have, I guarantee
Wow, that's an awfully hard to prove statement without some original pictures to back it up

So let get this straight.
This general is for people looking for the shittest old fucking shitty CRT with most cancerous shitty quality possible, the shittier the better, just to get "authentic"/because old games were designed for them and therefore they think this makes them superior by default?
Legit question, is this some sort of brain damage?

>>5947496
It's because they can't afford a good one on ebay, and also refuse to be patient and wait for one to show up elsewhere.
So they say that to justify their beliefs.
I should know; I used to do it when I only had an Apple II composite monitor.

>>5947496
Legit question, does your mom fuck niggers? Cause you turned out as dumb as one.

>>5947496
Part of it is sour grapes. Part of it is just contrarianism to CRTs going "mainstream" for standard def gaming.

>>5947503
Or they seethe and act like I'm some nigger-rich retard who bought a pvmeme off that one ebay scalper, when in reality I've had mine for years and got it back when even the larger sets were dirt cheap.

>>5947496
Yes, and if you stay here long enough you'll get it too.

>>5947496
There's different viewpoints in this hobby. Some people would like to experience it the way they did as a child, so they get a regular consumer TV and play using composite or RF cables cause it's how they played the games when they were younger. Some people would still like an authentic consumer experience but want to experience it in a way they didn't realize was possible when they were younger, so they get a much nicer consumer TV and play games with s-video or component. Then there's some who want to play the game with the highest quality video signal and display possible so they go all out on RGB and get a professional monitor or RGB mod a consumer set. And of course there's people like me who simply want to play the games but appreciate the nature of a CRT so we use a PC monitor and emulate them with shaders or low resolution tricks like 1920x240.

None of them are wrong, it's all just different ways to enjoy the experience. I do think it's important that people make an effort to learn what their options are and make an informed decision of how they want to play their retro games though, instead of just blindly listening to others. But if you try to enforce your opinions on others and say that your way is objectively better than another, that right there is brain damage. That's a big red flag that shows others that you're not very mature and could probably do with getting out more often and talking to real people so you're not so anti-social. I get that a lot of it is shitposting but there's definitely some people in this hobby who take it far too seriously and are quite serious about their opinions being the only right one. That's my take on it anyways. Play nice and respect others, you fucking niggers.

>>5947583
>says the guy who thinks PC CRT's are even comparable despite not operating at the right frequencies
Never forget you're on 4chan

>>5933613
why do everyone else's crt shots look so amazing whilst mine look like this

>>5947965
When emulating it doesn't really matter, 240p120 and 480p60 both work fine.

If you feed a higher resolution into a VGA CRT than 480p, does it look different? Either through emulators or something like an OSSC

>>5948170
Does it look different than what?

>>5948186
Like are the lines more densely packed. I'd assume so but I haven't tested it.

>>5948190
Yes, it gets more packed. At 1600x1200 and above you can't really see scanlines anymore on most PC CRT monitors. Even if you look at them with a super zoom you will see that the triads or slots are lighting up right next to each other with no gaps.

>>5947965
I mostly play PC games, not consoles, and the few consoles I do play I own and play on a nice 27" TV which I've calibrated to as close to perfection as you can with a flatscreen. Not scanning to 15khz doesn't really matter when you're emulating, as long as you're running a resolution which is an integer of 240p, which 1920x1440 and 640x480 are. They're not directly comparable but for PC emulation it's the second best thing next to outputting a 15khz signal and sending it to a TV. picrel is Hagane in 640x480 with no shaders.

>>5947965
another pseud post

>>5948170
>>5949134
this picture is 1920x1440, no shaders. the other post is 640x480, again no shaders. monitor is a 21" fd trinitron with a 0.24mm grille pitch.

>>5949171
You should use shaders.

>>5948170
and here's 1280x960. so in total that's a 2x, 4x, and 6x integer scale.
>>5949182
I either run 480p without shaders cause it honestly looks pretty good or I'll run 1440p with a composite shader cause I like the baseline consumer look as well. these images are just example pics for the other guys question.

>>5949182
Also, if it is not too much trouble would you please take a photo of your monitor under these settings

>2048x1536 or higher resolution
>RetroArch
>Video Display Driver: Vulkan
>slang shader preset: Sony BVM
>halation: 0
>Glow Diffusion: 0
>Border Darkness: 0
>Aspect Ratio: CUSTOM
>Integer Scaling ON
>Resize with monitor controls to fit

With the integer set to what will fill the screen. A small cropping is okay since at this high resolution it will be a very small loss.

I think you will find the results interesting. Also try out the other shaders like CRT-Royale, GTU, TV-out+interlacing, etc. With such a high resolution fine pitch monitor you can recreate many different types of CRTs.

>>5949171
>>5949189
Looks like an LCD.

>>5949189
I have created a few (okay, a dozen+) different video presets to play different games and systems. They are not based on anything in particular other than gut feelings and memories since my standard resolution CRTs were put in storage last year after I got tired of them taking up space in my room. I only have my LCD computer monitor and my PC CRT monitor now.

I was working on an N64 preset the other day to play that hack that has been posted on this board, I'll have to take a photo of it.

>>5948170
and here's proper 240p on a 27" wega. yes, I know, terrible convergence but it's near the edge of the screen. I probably could fix this up a little desu but I'll deal with that later. it's running off a wii emulator using component cables as I don't own any consoles prior to 6th gen.
>>5949192
I'm honestly pretty newb with shaders in retroarch. Can you recommend some documentation for adjusting the settings with them? I tried out crt-royale and while it looks pretty good for the most part the heavy bloom is quite off putting.
>>5949193
not gonna say you're wrong but pictures only tell part of the story. in motion it doesn't look much like an lcd due to the smooth motion clarity. also the response time with runahead is pretty amazing since the display isn't contributing any input lag at all.

>>5949223
Just play with them and try different ones. Tweak different things in the shader parameters to see what they do. But the first thing you want to turn off anytime you are using shaders on a CRT is any kind of fake bloom or halation effect since your CRT will provide that anyway.

>>5949232
Yeah I get that much, I'm just not sure where the shader parameters are located. Is it a config file in the shaders directory or do you edit them in retroarch?

>>5949234
You edit them in the RetroArch GUI. Shaders are under the quick menu.

I took a couple of photographs of Hagane running with some shaders. Left is supposed to be PVM-ish, right is more consumer-like. The slight misconvergence is part of the shader. Right looks like a blurrier photo but it actually isn't, it's the shader doing that.

>>5949223
shut up nerd

whats the best way to use a big crt i have as a pc monitor

>>5949574
Does it have VGA, DVI, or HDMI input?

>>5949574
Give us a model number for the CRT and the GPU your PC has.

>>5933823
Composite video on a good CRT is peak soul

>>5950081
Peak dot crawl, too.

>>5950081
Composite video is soulless. If you want soul, you have to use RF.

>>5950101
On a 13" black and white television with knobs you have to push into just-so position to get a picture.

>>5933613
Learner Pilot/Pilot in Training is the best NPC in FFVII.

>>5950096
You didn’t care about this until a pink faced fat söyboy on youtube told you to.

Other than proper resolution why would you want to play with scanlines covering the whole screen? Not only that but Trinitron tubes have a black line right in the middle and most screens are now fuzzy with dull colors with annoying coil whine.

Anyone know where I can find a IF-C01PNG for my DT-V1710CG?

>>5946565
Yes but shadow mask.

>>5950382
They don't really cover the whole screen when you are sitting a normal distance away.

>>5950427
Yes. However, I won’t tell you.

>>5950585
I liked big fat arcade scanlines back in the day but now I like clean pixels, downside is the blurry movement of LCD IPS panels, I think scanline shades made me dislike scanlines in general.

>>5950585
I liked big fat arcade scanlines back in the day but now I like clean pixels, downside is the blurry movement of LCD IPS panels, I think scanline shaders made me dislike scanlines in general.

>>5947981
Yours is correct actually, everyone else is retarded. Who plays games 2" from their screen at an awkward angle? Yours is at the correct distance and angle. Take note to this photo hipsters.

>>5933641
Because they are expensive.

>>5950663
Arcade monitors don't usually have fat scanlines. They're basically just consumer-grade tubes with RGB input.

>>5950427
>DT-V1710CG

Make your own.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/JVC-monitor-SCART-RGB-YPbPr-input-board-With-Audio-/173999746137?hash=item2883316c59%3Ag%3AsigAAOSw24Ra%7EUJn&nma=true&si=nvuBYTAwojWJ5TqkbJ2Lw5dybSk%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557

https://www.ebay.com.au/sch/linuxbot3000/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

>>5950673
The 27" cabs I used to play had.

>>5950663
look at my earlier pics of hagane. pc monitors can give you super clean pixels with clear motion at 60hz.

>>5950684
Yep, going to try and find a bunch of PC monitors and maybe a Trinitron TV. Your screens is more or less what I have in mind.

>>5950710
good luck. the higher end stuff like what I have is practically unobtanium at this point. you can't even just grab one off ebay for a retarded price, nobody is selling them. and I hardly see monitors in my local listings anymore. they're getting really hard to find outside of europe these days.

This is just a test radar plot to describe different types of CRTs. The numbers I put in are just bullshit feelings of my own that do not represent every scenario. But I think a better version of this could be illuminating for people learning about their different display options.

>>5950793
PC monitors and Trinitrons are still quite easy to find.

Professional video monitors with RGB input are not.

>>5950801
also it looks like I need to make sure every plot uses the same scale to 100.

>>5950802
your bog standard 95khz monitor that was packed in with a dell pc might be relatively easy to find, but a 120khz+ top end monitor is not. if you just want to emulate shit then you should only care about tube pitch and not horizontal scanrate though.

>>5950808
The bog standard Dell monitor is no chump and would serve well for purposes, as you seem to know.
But old Viewsonic monitors are still very common, as well as other types of premium monitors. Just have get off your butt and look for them.

>95khz
That's 2048x1536@60hz. A lot of old monitors can do this.
>120khz
That's like... 2560x1920@60hz. An oddball resolution. Did you mean mhz?

>>5950793
I'm from Europe, you have to have a truck or pay out the nose for transport.

>>5950825
no I meant khz. you're just thinking about 60hz resolutions. 130khz will get you 1600x1200@100hz and 140khz gets you 110hz. I play pc games so I'm not just doing 60hz.

>>5950808
I was on the lookout for those high CRT monitors when people started to get LCD monitors but the studios here must have trashed them like my cousins who threw their high end CRT TV's in the garbage when they got LCD TV's.

Just a few minutes of looking around on FB marketplace yielded these links. The prices are higher than they used to be, and the pickings are slimmer, but monitors are still around. And this only 10 minutes of looking.

marketplace/item/530273461072540/
Powermac G3 with monitor $60

marketplace/item/2493061167373623/
17" Dell monitor, rough condition $15

marketplace/item/1322939041216168/
Warehouse, surely something to find in the heap

marketplace/item/682285108947562/
Viewsonic A75s FREE

marketplace/item/2510720468997681/
Trinitron D1526TX-HS CRT $50

marketplace/item/287935948732787/
Gateway EV500B 14" CRT Color Monitor $60

marketplace/item/818925501834855/
1994 Brother brand monitor $40

marketplace/item/536646703751402/
Two 17" CRT monitors, $15 each

marketplace/item/2374233316197620/
Dell Monitor $40

marketplace/item/2575005952758736/
Powermac 7300, comes with CRT monitor $30

marketplace/item/394783287860717/
Sony Trinitron PC monitor, most likely an HMD-A440 $100

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Gateway 17" EV700 $20

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FREE 14" PC monitor

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Dell Computer Monitor $10

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Apple III Monitor $40

>>5950840
That's very nice, but to say that PC monitors are rare now because you can't find a monitor to do 1600x1200@100hz is disingenuous. You should say that workstation and graphics display monitors are getting rare.

>>5950860
they are getting rare though. I keep an eye on my local listings and some of the areas around me and I don't really see them anymore. if you live in an area where you can pick one up any day of the week then good for you, but not everyone lives in socal or something.

>>5950858
>maybe one 19"
>not a single 21"
>every single one is mediocre at best
nah guys, it's fine. they're not getting rarer at all I swear! just be happy with a low end and worn out monitor, it's more than you need!

I had one of these on ebay for $75+shipping a few years ago. Didn't sell after 30 days.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-MONITOR-DISPLAY-HITACHI-CM2111MU-CRT-21-TESTED-OK-GREAT-CONDITION/283462091019?hash=item41ffa8410b:g:W0sAAOSwOk5cwJaT

Looking back I'm really glad I hung on to it. You look over the listings now and it's crazy to see things going for hundreds of dollars that were being thrown in the dump by the pallet not even a decade ago. And don't plan on ever getting rid of it now btw.

Honestly it's getting to the point where actually going back to certain dumps and picking through to see what you can find that might still work is going to be a thing. People are going to be pulled these things out of barns.

>>5950882
21" monitors were always uncommon. You'd only find those at business and university surplus sales for the most part. There were a few sweet years in the late 2000s and early 2010s where a lot of those were around for cheap, but that time was always going to be ephemeral.

>>5950892
God dammit I have the 19" version of this that appears to be dead and I'm so pissed that I probably have to dump it

>>5950905
What seems to be wrong with it?

>tfw I have a 21" Viewsonic in storage I haven't really kept good care of and haven't turned on in years
It's probably dead now.

>>5950604
Please?

>>5950912
Tube gets no power. I've got in in pieces hoping to find something like a cracked joint but no luck

>>5950946
No power or blinking lights at all?

>>5950961
Power light, yes. Immediately indicates sleep. Active signals don't change anything. Normal operation would still have it power on with a NO SIGNAL before eventually sleeping. Worked before a cross-country move.

-$10 is the only correct price to pay for a crt

>>5951024
No joke someone paid me $20 from craigslist to take a 27 inch Sony. It was a flat tube and had a scratch on the screen so I ended up giving it away.

>>5951048
A few years ago I picked up at 32 inch Sharp with broken speakers and bad alignment. They lived close by so I was making $20 for picking up a tv they couldn't lift. Because it was so beat I got it to their curb then put it down there for the local town pickup date a few weeks later. I can't imagine they were too pissed since I know it was taken later that week.

>>5951016
Have you changed the video source or tested both video inputs? These monitors can be picky about video sources and I've seen them reject one video card and work perfectly well with another.
>Normal operation would still have it power on with a NO SIGNAL before eventually sleeping.
So you've seen it do this before? The Hitachi monitors I've used do not have any kind of OSD. No signal is a flashing green light, and out of range is eight flashing orange lights.

>>5950675
would still need something to get from composite/s-vid to rgb (or component)

guys, is this weird Zenith rgb connector most likely TTL or analog?

>>5951132
this is what I found in the service manual but I can't read the schematic well enough to know what the rgb signal is.

>>5951132
green/white switch implies mono compatible implies TTL

>>5951136
Whatever it is, you can probably get full color RGB out of it if you ground the right pins and send it the right signal.

>>5951141
almost forgot:

Medium resolution means this won't work any consoles without going through ugly scaler contortions. You best best with this thing is to use it with medium resolution arcade boards, or with a PC and a GPU that can output low resolutions with CRT-Emudriver or another custom modeline solution.

https://blog.allyoucanarcade.com/the-definitive-list-of-all-medium-resolution-games/

>>5951148
good games on that list, could be an interesting emulation station. $10 and a 40 minute drive, is it worth it?
And won't any old vga card output 800x600 or does medium res mean 800x600 interlaced? Could a modern card do 800x600i?

>>5951132
the item

>>5951174

>>5951132
Looking at the schematic, it doesn't seem to be 75-ohm terminated, but I'm not sure what signal level it expects. The amplification stage is all discrete components. If it were me I'd try plugging in an analog source and see what happens. Worst case is you don't get a picture, or you get a dim picture.

>>5951148
I'm assuming in this case "medium resolution" refers to the 450 TVL rating. It's definitely still 15 kHz.

>>5951097
Single input. I did find an 8-pin Mini DIN hidden on the main board but it doesn't appear to be video related. Yes I've tried multiple sources. I'll admit it's been a little while since I saw it working (we moved about six months ago, repeated /crt/ viewings made me want to fire it up) but I would have sworn it had some equivalent NO SIGNAL response outside of the LED. If it helps it is technically rebranded as a Gateway VX900 but the internals are a Hitachi CM751

>>5951179
thanks for taking a look. to test it I'll have to figure the pinout and frankenstein a cable for it. Maybe I'll just nab it for fun, I need a little project

>>5951179
>I'm assuming in this case "medium resolution" refers to the 450 TVL rating. It's definitely still 15 kHz.
It is.
http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/manuals/Zenith%20Data%20Systems/Zenith%20Z-150%20PC%20Users%20and%20Operations%20Manual%20Guide.pdf
Look under hardware.
Medium resolution mode is 320x200.
Then this also explains it in further detail.
http://home.earthlink.net/~z100lifeline
/data/ZVMonitors.html

I'm confident this can used for /vr/ purposes.

>>5951182
I just have a hard time believing an old dinosaur like that will up and die from a little bump moving, but I suppose it can happen. I hope you get it working, otherwise RIP.

>>5951174
Buy that thing immediately if you haven't already.

>>5951174
Who's the cutie in the reflection?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Sony-PVM-1351Q-Trinitron-Color-Video-Monitor-/153673293004?_trksid=p2349526.m4383.l44720.c10&nordt=true&rt=nc&orig_cvip=true

who the fuck spent 230 bucks on a 13" monitor

>>5951153
Disregard that post. It's not a medium resolution monitor like a medium resolution arcade monitor that operates at a fixed 25khz frequency.

Medium here refers to text modes. What this monitor actually is for /vr/ purposes is a very high quality shadow mask RGB monitor that a lot of /crt/ general would probably salivate over having in their collection.

>>5951230
that's me :3

>>5951236
PVMs are fashion items, anon. People don't buy them for their image quality. They buy them so they own one.

>pic
inb4 not arr gee bee. S-video is fine. It's just fine. I'm telling you it's FINE. Try it. If you absolutely must have RGB then buy an FD Trinitron with component, a curved-glass non-sony with component, or if you are lucky you might find a non-FD Trinitron with component that slipped through the reseller cracks.

>>5951253
We're gonna need more pics

>>5951254
Or just mod a non-FD Trinitron for RGB. S-Video is okay, but RGB is still a noticeable step up.

What do you reckon the over/under on the console trinitrons ever being worth much? The tube in them is nearly identical to that you find in a PVM-2530. I assume the slot pitch is lower, but that doesn't really matter for video games. It actually would make older games look better.

The thing is they are composite only. Which for me would not be a deal breaker but it would be for a lot of people. RGB modding would have to take a different tact than the normal avenues I've seen, but it could be done.

>>5951272
I swear a man could make a nice side living off of taking KV series Trinitrons and RGB modding them then flipping them on ebay.

Is there any actual downside to buying a JVC or Toshiba TV with component?

>>5951295
Having used and worked on JVC, Toshiba, and Sony consumer TVs I would say they're all visually comparable but Sony easily takes the cake in the audio department. This isn't really a big deal for bleeps and bloops out of a snes though.

>>5951215
good find

>>5951297
Also something that can be completely side-stepped by connecting to external audio.

>>5951295
you'll become a /crt/ fag

>>5951254
certain PVMs like the 5" and 8" models are at least noteworthy for being the only options in their size which will take component and rgb without modding them. the smallest consumer sets which take component are 13/14"

>>5933613
Hey guys. I just Bought Sony Trinitron model KV-14LT1E for 8 euros. Was it a good investment? Doen anyone else have experience with this model?

After procastinating for a few months I decided to do it anyways and opened up my Toshiba CRT to remove the cable that enables scan velocity modulation (edge-enhancement). I am so glad to still be alive and be talking with you anons. Now i just need to figure out what sharpness setting is ideal.

>>5952210
What's the point of removing that?

>>5952210
maybe next time youll get electrocuted. *fingers crossed*

>>5952215
>>5952217
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.reddit.com/r/crtgaming/comments/am7r96/help_disabling_scan_velocity_modulation_edge/

>>5952215
imagine if your sharpness was set to max without being able to change it basically.

The video that kickstarted the meme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAi8AVj9GV8

>>5952253
phonedork's videos are older.

>>5952253
Aren’t you glad you’ve invested hundreds of dollars into obsolete technology because two pasty schlubs told you to?

>>5952321
This vid was published in 2015 and has near 500k views.

>>5952210
You could have just turned this off in the service menu.

>>5952253
It was a meme years and years before this.

>>5952526
phonedork's videos on PVMs go back to 2013 at least.

>Thinking there is an objective beauty
Some people find CRT nice, some don't. Why force your own subjective preference on other people?

>>5952743
The PVM fad started on neo-geo.com.

>>5952817
I know, and it was because they were originally the cheaper alternative to arcade monitors. Point being MLG didn't "start the meme". They were way late to the party.

>>5952591
not on my tv.

>>5952817
Still niche, now even normies are buying them.

>>5942832
S W E P T

What does /crt/ gen think of plasma televisions?

>>5953414
I think the 1080p ones are a great way to enjoy 7th gen consoles and watch movies. Would love to own a 1080p plasma but people still want ridiculous prices for them. Having used one extensively though I'll say it's a great middle ground between LCD and CRT for native resolution content and non-interactive 480p+ widescreen content.

Whenever I want to lose hope in humanity, I load up good ol' /crt/

>>5953414
I think a lot of people are staying quiet about them until they manage to get a good one in their hands before prices go back up.

>>5953612
Show us how you play retro games then.

>>5953619
ones to look out for specifically? I know next to nothing about them, I'm only autistic for CRTs

https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemid=860&acctid=633

>>5953664
yo is that what I think it is... too bad I don't live anywhere near TN

>>5953692
It is. Probably the 33" version.

>>5953664
wow what a snipe

>>5953723
Actually, based on the size of the pallet it's a 37...

>>5953723
>>5953727
Are those multisync?

>>5953738
Yes, up to 39.5 kHz.You can read more about the specs of all the other Mitsus here:
https://web.archive.org/web/19970401171409/http://www.mela-itg.com/megaview_display.htm
Although I have an AM-2752A (pic related) and my PS3 had issues outputting RGB to it. No hassle whatsoever when using VGA from a PC though.

>>5953738
yes

>>5953723
>>5953727
>>5953761
Please stop posting this everywhere. I plan on buying it.

I bought a cheap AV cable for my DreamCast on eBay (RGB SCART on the end, with a breakout in the middle for RCA jack audio and composite video) which I'm using for RGB video output, but there's something wrong with it. When a dark color is displayed on a light background (especially black on white, such as the black text in "Dreamcast" during the startup splash screen), the black bleeds horizontally to the right. I don't have a picture at the moment, but pic related is pretty much what it looks like. Advice on how to fix this would be appreciated.

>>5954925
>cheap AV cable [...] on eBay
Found your problem.

>>5954927
Obviously, but that doesn't mean it can't be fixed.

>>5954928
You're right. It can be fixed by buying/making a better cable that doesn't use shitty chink 9999 AWG wire.

how big is too big?

Is a Sony 19" BVM-1911 for $500 a good deal?
Pic related.

>>5954986
I mean it might be, but I wouldn't pay Five Hundred Dollars for a CRT. I might pay two hundred if I had the extra capital.

>>5954986
Is this a satirical post?

>>5955001
No, it's an honest post. I'm ignorant about these things.
I found this at a local store and the seller wants $500 for it. I wanted to know what's a good price for this sort of tv.
Thank you for your time.

>>5954939
You think that's it? A cable of similar quality works fine on my PS2, no bleeding. I thought this might be more indicative of improper grounding, or a lack of a capacitor that should be there.

>>5954986
it's fucking great but not for five hundos

https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/ele/d/san-diego-sony-trinitron/6968030117.html

please tell me if this is a good deal

>>5955035
It's not. There aren't even any photos of the actual unit either, so it may as well be a scam. And come on, you're in the single state with the most PVMs. Don't spend $100 on a consumer set.