/vr/ - Retro Games

I wish they would have used something like this in place of the Sacred Forest Meadow. Remember the Twilight Princess trailers with the cool forest?

I've heard you had to hold down A and B to use the bow.

More bow and arrow action.

Really early screenshot of land-dwelling Octoroks. Notice the giant one.

Slightly later in development.
Cool shield on that Stalfos.

The sky is awesome in this screenshot.

Link walking down a really dark hall in what I guess is an early dungeon.

More early Castle Town. Twilight Princess also had a more interesting Castle Town during development.

The sky is really awesome in this one. I prefer this incarnation of Castle Town.

Is he levitating?

Link talking to "Aria" at Lake Hylia.

The rock texture in this one is almost eerie.

Neat line of screenshots right here.

Maybe he's looking at a boss ahead?

Has anyone considered taking all the unused assets from OoT and MM and making a game from them?

Keep going, I love beta/early development stuff.

It's just a few idiots who think they're funny by saying "hurr /v/ doesn't like vidya go 2 /v(g/r)/"

This can go on /v/, OP.

Pulling something out, perhaps?

I'm not too big on Ocarina of Time, but I would have played the shit out of it if it continued in this direction.

>>594085
There was going to be the Ura Restoration Project, but that very recently shut down.
>>594092
I love the dark atmosphere in these.
>>594093
No problem, man.
>>594094
I know, but I've already dumped it there.

More of the eerie Castle Town.

>>594056

reminds me of the sky you get if you perform the 4th Day glitch in MM

>you will never see eerie beta castle town

This one looks like an ice dungeon, but it was supposedly a replica of Level 1 from the original Zelda.

>>594108
;_;
>>594105
Does it really fuck with the sky like that? Gonna have to try that some day.

To see this room, go to Room 120 in the Ocarina of Time Debug ROM's Map Select.

>>594092

I would love a Zelda game like this, with that old classic fantasy style art inspiration.

All of my $$$

>dat angular slash

What could the red sword have been. Maybe a wooden or rusted sword could have been your first sword?

>>594096
>There was going to be the Ura Restoration Project, but that very recently shut down.
WHAT
NO
IT'S NOT TRUE
YOU'RE MISTAKEN
http://www.the-gcn.com/topic/2275-the-end-of-ura/

NNOOOOOOO

>>594134
Yo, if it makes you feel any better, I hear Zeth will bring the project back "someday".
They loved to show the Stalfos in these shots. I like this design more.

>>594134
>>594134
>>594134
For Ocarina of time 3DS, Nintendo should have just done URA Zelda. Looked through the blueprints, and included the game as it was going to be.

For the WW HD, they should do that cut content thing.

Battle between Stalfos. In the final game, they have a red impact splatter (the one Link has, which I honestly believe is more than likely blood)

>>594148
I think they're going to use bits and pieces of it for new Zelda games, like what happened with Super Mario 128.
To see this room, go to Room 121 in the Debug Rom's Map Select.

>>594149
>>594141
Let's be honest, op...

>>594115

goes all seriously purple and weird

looks most impressive if you go up to the Moon while the glitch is in effect

More Stalfos.
>>594160
Well I do like the red eyes and boots, but that fucking original shield.

>>594127
That's what I love so much about the first two games. They seem inspired by The Brothers Grimm with a dash of Japanimation, which stands in stark contrast to all the Tolkien/Dungeons & Dragons rip-off worlds so common in modern fantasy.

>>594063
>a more interesting Castle Town
Everything seems more interesting when it's what we didn't get. Take the forest here >>594032 for example. It looks pretty cool, and I'd probably enjoy running around in it, but it looks seriously beta, or very early N64. Reminds me of something out of Twelve Tales/Conker 64. Doubt it's better than the Lost Woods we got in the final version.

Early wallmaster.

>>594157
I mean, I know they've recycled stuff with Majora's Mask, but still, to have one giant game with all the original content...
>But a lot of that content would already be in OOT
So? They re-released OOT on the 3DS identically to the N64 release. URA wouldn't have been worse than that.

>>594167

Yes. I remember first buying LoZ when it came out and I just fell in love with the manual art. It made the game itself that much more enjoyable.

>>594067
He was able to jump early in development

>>594174
Although, to add to this, I've seen the beta footage of Link running, and it looks far more smooth/natural than the final version's run cycle.

>>594191
Wow, never knew that. Thanks for the info.

Guess what's in the chest!

>>594213
Fucking watermarks...
TADA!

>>594210
Get ready...

Early Dodongo's Cavern?

>>594180
Yeah, I loved looking through the manuals as a kid (the first WarCraft was one of the few other games that could compete; hell, I've got it sitting on my book-shelf). The imagery really got your imagination going. And the enemies actually looked creepy, unlike the ones in the newer games.

This dungeon looks awesome.

Maybe you were supposed to throw the bombs into a mouth instead of the eyes? Maybe this was going to be Turtle Rock?

A neat, dimly-lit hallway. Looks like Ganondorf's Castle.

>dat early dodongo

>>594238
I prefer that much bigger looking version of Dodongo's Cavern. I also like this bigger Keese.

>>594238
>it hurts to live

Where could this have been?

A golden knight enemy with a blue speedo.

Another battle with the golden knight.

Just want to clarify this, retro discussion is obviously the theme of /vr/, but this DOES NOT mean you can no longer discuss retro on /v/.
moot/mods made this clear early on.

>>594272
I know, but I just thought you guys would enjoy it, too.

>>594272
Yeah, but that doesn't mean /v/ won't just try to send him here if he wants to post something related.

Regardless, I'm happy OP decided to share his image dump here, I'm very interested in this.

>>594292
Then he has to tell them to go fuck themselves and to stop derailing his on-topic thread.

>>594279
This thread is much less active than the /v/ one (for rather obvious reasons).
>>594292
Most of /v/ enjoyed it, there was just one guy who was like "NO TAKE RETRO TO /vr/" and I finished this there but then I thought I might as well post it here, too.
>dat weird orange blood

>dat translucent yellow sword slash

More Stalfos.

What could this have been. Looks like the Master Sword pedestal. Old Temple of Time?

>>594042
This must be really on in development, the game looks so much like Mario 64 there.

>>594304
>there was just one guy
See, this is not how /v/ works. /v/ is not one guy who is suffering mild autism.

Though I'm also glad OP is taking the time to dump these caps here. Retro Zelda is forever welcome here.

>>594324
Well, OOT was built off of a modified SM64 engine, so that could explain it. I think that was more of a "testing" screenshot, perhaps to test enemy AI.

>dat goofy red nose
I'm glad they changed that, but I do like the forest design here.

More dodongos. I've noticed that Navi was there since very, very early in development.

I prefer the houses in the final heavily to this one.

First glimpse of Gerudo Desert?

>>594350
Is it just me, or does the sky look much better in this screenshot?

I LOVE this older graveyard. Really, it should have looked like this in the final.

>>594320

But it was just one thread, It could of very well of been just one guy.

ANOTHER Stalfos battle.

Sorry most of these pictures are so small, guys. You have to remember they originated from '90s internet.
Look how big the field is!

I'm noticing a lot less reliance on 2D backdrop to give the illusion of grand size. The Forest is made up of 3D models of trees, the town is made up of 3D models of houses. I'd bet that all this was just too much of a strain for the hardware or possibly the maps were too large to be easily navigable.

Is this that room where you rescue the Goron in the Fire Temple?

>>594376
Honestly, I believe it was too much of a bitch to design such grand-looking areas. You can't just have a game that goes on forever (at least on the N64), so what do you do except scale it down? A damned shame these interesting locations didn't make it in, though.

Adult Link battling Gohma. Originally, the game was to be Adult Link only.

>>594332
Deku Tree confirmed for alcoholic.

Battle between Lizalfos in what appears to be Dodongo's Cavern.

>>594395
>>594401
>>594406
>>594380
>>594391
>>594373
Notice he has the Forest Medallion equipped in these shots.

Requesting mediafire upload for mobile users

>>594438
Shit, sorry bro. Here's an archive. Can't keep dumping. This archive is the sauce on all these. Not sure how well it works on mobile.
http://web.archive.org/web/20080307085141/http://zso.krahs-emag.com/beta/screenshots.html

>>594450
You guys are free to save and dump pictures from that archive in here btw

>>594332
>>594414
>Tumblr Nose

>>594134
http://www.the-gcn.com/topic/2287-regarding-recent-events-and-uras-fate/page-2

http://smashboards.com/threads/ocarina-of-time-ura-project-officially-dead.327129/

This Zeth guy sounds like a complete cunt.

>>594474
I really hate how his forum is a hugbox.

>>594474

I really never even heard about Ura Zelda, but after reading some of the stuff posted... the guy certainly does sound like a complete tool.

>>594474
http://smashboards.com/threads/ocarina-of-time-ura-project-officially-dead.327129/page-2#post-15475352
what a fucking tool

>>594513
There really is no middle ground is there? Places like there, anything outside the norm is stormed upon, whereas here you have people who play the contrarian just to get some kick out of it.

>>594540
Makes ya think about what's going on with Episode 3, doesn't it?

>>594474
>http://www.the-gcn.com/topic/2287-regarding-recent-events-and-uras-fate/page-2
>one long paragraph
i'm sure he did actually nothing anyways

>>594234
Yeah, that's not a lost thing. That's pretty much exactly what made the final game.

>>594259
I was stoked about that dude. And it was some time after I beat the game before I realized he was never in it. Same for the red one that looked like it was made of lava.

Did everyone else notice he's in Peach's castle?

>>594596
I don't see it.

>>594329
I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that in one of its earliest stages, the whole game took place inside Zelda's castle, and it was just a modified version of Peach's.

I'm glad they were finally able to think out side of the early box of what a 3D adventure game needed to be like.

>>594157
I don't care. I want to see URA Zelda in its entirety. Fuck me if it didn't look like it was gonna be the best thing ever.

More Dodongo's Cavern.
I CAN dump, but not at the same frequency.

I think these all come from one video, hence their similarity.

>dat forest medallion

>>594656
Someone needs to find the video and recapture it. For the sake of modern internet.

>>594309
That's the light coming from the window m8

Anyway, as much as I love the topic, I was kind of sad when the last protoscreen/beta thread started from sanic and turned into an OOT circlejerking for more than 80% of it. Can you guys please never do that again, or at least try to contain thr massive dumps in any thread about general beta stuff suddenly floating around? I'm nobody to ask for things but it would be most appreciated if there wasn't a focus on a peculiar game, just my two cents.

Forgot pic. Looks like he's squatting. Or shitting.

>>594663
That light is in Room 120, so you're right. Also, the dump threads on /v/ turned into lewdness and fanart, but I'm okay with that.

>Hey man, how ya doin'?

>equipping items to the sword button
we link's awakening now

More desert funtime.

http://jaytheham.com/zcw/Ocarina_of_Time_Beta_Content_-_Movies

old footage

This Lake Hylia looks fucking AMAZING.
>dat dock

>>594357

are you kidding me? it looks like one of those shitty early CGI cutscenes from shitty PC games

>>594882
He's obviously talking about the general atmosphere and color temperature

>>594904
Yes. In particular, the dark red tint, the eerie sky (a lot of these old shots have awesome eerie skies), and the general vastness of the graveyard.

>>594729
So does someone have these roms or something?

>>594473
>295 KB
Colored nose is more of a "retro" illustration technique, used to make a subject appear more jolly

But yes, it has been done to hell and back in modern artists trying to incorporate "retro" into their pieces which I dislike

>let's whine about the game not being like a crappy looking beta version when the game we got was very good

no, stop

>>594346
dat shit ain't comfy

>>595290
What do you suggest?

>>594473
if they made mentioning rexxit bannable they should have done the same with tumblr, this pointless shit is just as bad

>>594346
yeah... looks too much like a normal house, I'm glad they went with the treehouse themes instead

>>595309
to not whine that you didn't get some early version of the game and just be happy with what you have? Which is the final product and therefor better than some beta version, if in beta version ran on better hardware

>>594686
>they think they can escape the "LINK LISTEN"
and the real reason that people want the ura version is revealed

>>595332
>gargantuan 256 megabits

>>595332
>yes he no longer has legoman big head syndrome
wait... what?

>>595332
>comparisons to Zelda 1 and 2
>no comparisons to Link to the Past
oh god, that reminds me, some people did have something against that game simply because it was on the SNES, I totally forgot, lol

>>595345
I guess they're talking about his sprite in Link to the Past, or I guess any topdown Zelda game. I never knew it was such a big deal. Isn't it part of the artstyle?

>>595359
see
>>595365

>that beautiful classic style of Zelda instead of the ugly one they ultimately wound up using

Why can't we have nice things

>>595371
Well shit, shows how much I can read.

>>595365
also, I meant to say that I'm glad that that's totally forgotten and it's gone down in history as one of the best zelda games

>>595381
I don't understand how that looks like "classic zelda" and the finished product looked crappy to you, it just looks like a not fully developed version of the adult link section

>>595395

asinine asspain over colours

ignore comments like his

>>595395
The Stalfos for instance don't look like they're inbred, and the Octoroks look like Octoroks.

>>595382
meh, I wasn't trying to insult you, I made that post AFTER you made yours after all, and I might just be talking out of my ass... so what evs

>>595403
I dunno, I think the final game came out pretty good, there are slight stylistic changes in every zelda game

>>595403
The Stalfos look pretty freakin' generic in these pictures.

>>594926
oh good, I'm glad you weren't talking about the poe/ghost, because that looked like shit

>>594926
mine eyes
god... too much red

>>595290
>stop liking what I don't like!

Looks very interesting. But it looks kind of eery and empty, like Quest 64 turned out to be.

>>594234
reminds me of spirit temple

>>595510
Eeriness is a value that should have been more prevalent in OOT.

>>594076
>>594082
>>594087
Those three where part of an animation of Link looking behind as the door closes.

>>594323
It looks so small and unremarkable. It kind of reminds me of the carpenters' tent.

>>594049
That wall looks more like the side of a building to me.

>>594323

Does he have two swords equipped at once in this shot?

>>594323
Maybe there was a second sword for C-button use like in Majora's Mask?

>>594320
I'm pretty certain that the majority of shit posting on *most* boards is done by only a handful of posters.

>>598594
There are small groups that like doing lots of shitposting, like the ponyfags you see on /b/.

>>594332
Hey, that nose looks awesome. He looks like Wario.

>>598539
>>598546
Does anyone else think that playing as Adult Link while dual-wielding the Master Sword and a short sword would've been cool?

>>598626
I personally have yet to see any ponyfags that shitpost. But then again I avoid all ponydom altogether.

>>595332
>Navie
Naviegate?

>>599289

should have tried a year ago when all the autists reared their ugly heads

>>599343
dude, you only figured that out now?

seriously??

>>595315
You're butthurt as hell

>>595290
>>595324
Why do people like this see a cool dump thread and feel like they have to ruin it? I love OoT but I've always been interested by the beta screenshots too.

In the beta you could actually swing your sword while running like in TP.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9S-kUj5vcc

>>595279
I doubt many of them use it for that reason.
Most of them seem to just think it's "cute".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8FX_Jfa0TQ

DAT MUSIC

>mfw I discover someone finally found the full track as I search for the video to post here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2iZK3OhrGU

>>601110
>dat excessive blood upon attacking stalfos
>>599657
B...but we're not liking the right thing!
The dump thread on /v/ was mainly punctuated by lewdness and fanart, but I was okay with it because most of the lewdness was my kind of thing.
I have a shitload of shots that are basically the final game but with the A and B buttons reversed and a few removed locations. Not as interesting as the previous pictures, but I could dump them anyway. Some of the locations look interesting.

>>595197
That would be pretty gr8 m8, but this is sadly not the case. Someone claimed to have a disk for EarthBound 64, but it was never released, and was probably not legit anyway.

>>595343
>OVER 256 MEGABITS OF PUSSY AND ASS!
This needs to be made, like, right now.

>>594323
This is what the temple of time was going to look like

If they made the ceiling really high it would make the game lag like crazy

Then they figured out a trick to make the ceiling really high and avoid lag and that's why they changed it or else we'd have a little temple of time

>>594221
Yeah in the first game manual the enemies actually looked intimidating, like something that would fuck you up

Nowadays Link fights Saturday morning cartoon rejects

>you'll never play a 3d Zelda where the enemies will look this badass

>>602215
compare that to what he's fighting now

Sad, link started as a badass, now he's just a pussy

older, badass zelda

>>602220
newer, pussified Zelda

what happened, nintendo? Afraid you'll scare the kiddies?

>>602226
>octorok
>four tentacles

That's what bothers me the most about this. Well that and the goofy black mage eyes.

>>602220

I never really took gritty official art all that seriously in the pre-OoT days. In-game art was cute (with an ominous edge to it, but basically cute) so when the manuals tried to be all ominous and spooky it didn't feel like what Zelda "really" looked like.

Which isn't to say my imagination perfectly matched Ocarina of Time, but badass Zelda wasn't what I was thinking.

>>602219
that's a bad comparison, I always thought those enemies were a nice threatening design.

>>602258
Well I played Zelda 1 in 1989 and needless to say I imagined every enemy like in the manual

They were threats, they were evil hideous monsters that wanted you dead, not anime rejects who were a minor annoyance at best.

>>602295
Yeah but compare it to the lynel

A fucking Sagittarius with the fucking head of a Lion and a shield and sword that happen to hurt a shitload when they hit you with it

Makes the bobokin look like a little bitch

>>602226
I think its pretty obvious for anyone that participates in this board that OoT has scared many kids back in the day, so your point is not valid

>>602307
Maybe so but like I said I played the original Zelda before any 3d and I loved the designs of the enemies in the manual, they actually looked threatening

And it doesn't change the fact that every enemy except for a couple of exceptions in every 3d Zelda looks a like saturday morning cartoon reject

>>602320
I think it has more to do with there being plenty of other "bad ass" fantasy games out there now so to stay unique, they've stuck with the more whimsical side of things

>>602249
>quadroroks

>>602306
why do you think everyone that played the game in i's era imagined everything as in the manual? I sure didn't...

>>602220
this is laughably rediculous

>>598463
Maybe I don't know Japanese game-production methods well enough, but is there a reason they're using katakana for the english word "Action" instead of an appropriate native word?
Wouldn't it be more accessible to younger players that way?

>>602320
I never like the "bad ass" designs that much... also they looked nothing like that in the game so it was hard to imagine them in such way, also a lot of them were just ridiculous rather than threatening, like >>602220

>>602320

I think the thing is that in the 2D days Nintendo could have it both ways. The in-game graphics were brightly colored and relatively cute, but if you wanted something grittier, you could read the manual and use your imagination. With 3D, the graphics are "realistic" enough that you can't pretend anymore and in-game graphics were all you had left.

>>602320
Meh Never had a Zelda manual, I dont think Id care much about how they look on paper anyway. What matters for me its whats in the game and the enemies in the 2d Zeldas look as cartoony as the 3d ones for me. And it doesnt really bother me really, I dont think the game needs or even wants to be that way. Except for places like bottom of the well or the cementary in OoT which are just as scary as they need to be.

Thats the beauty of OoT, the contrast of atmospheres and emotions make it a fullfiling experience. Is not just pure darkness or pure happy fantasy. There is a vast palette of climates.

>>594030
>someone kept going on about how retro discussion belongs in /vr/
Sorry for the off-topic but is /v/ being all ass-blasted about this board and directing anything retro here? Haven't even been to /v/ since this board was made.

Fucking typical. Retro games are fine on /v/ too...

But thanks for the dump, it's betas are always interesting...

>>602367
Well then I see I'm in a minority then

I guess I'm the only one that's tired of the kiddie Zeldas and want a game where the enemies actually look/are a threat instead of just annoyances Link can plow through easily

>>602226
Nigga, do you even ReDeads?

>>602364

That word is part of the Japanese lexicon, everybody understands it. Using foreign words makes things look cooler in Japanese. I used to live in Japan for a long time, trust me, everyone is very used to words like these

>>602432
It is kinda a minority. I can see it be an interesting experiment to create a LoZ game with a realistic art-style, but I feel that Nintendo has the situation of not being able to take its main franchises too "adult" without alienating parents.

And I don't mean that in "gore and sex" type of adult, but more that you'd end up with a lot of kids breaking out into tears if they see a video game monster that actually is scary looking and not a cartoonish representation of a scary monster.

Also, it wouldn't jive well if a realistic art-style weren't paired up with a more realistic story, so I'm not sure if it'd be too serious looking for a silly "hunt in # dungeons for MacGuffins until you've proven you can fight the villian" plot.

>>594216
>>594216
>>594216
>>594216
Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis

>>602364
The action there just says "Navi"
Often you'll also see ジャンプ "Janpu" for jump because the equivalent expression in Japanese requires a bit more character space and specification, usually a combination of 飛んで (fly/jump) plus a direction verb.

>>602140
Although here I'm not sure why they use チェック "chekku"/check instead of 調べる, investigate/examine. I suppose they're conventions set from earlier Zelda games?

>>594474
>http://smashboards.com/threads/ocarina-of-time-ura-project-officially-dead.327129/page-2

What the fuck. so it was all a scam / farce? That's shit. I feel sorry for that Spire guy who thought the ura project was real.

>>594323
I dunno. I kind of get the vibe this was going to be a treasure chest or some shit.

>>594085

Any Square-Enix, Nintendo, or Sega fan made gets hit really quickly with a cease and desist if it isn't kept private

>>594056
The sky is nice, but those buildings look they would obstruct your view all over the place.
very obvious learning step of jumping from 2d to the 3d.

Nice find.

I remember having an issue of Nintendo Power with screenshots of this back when it was just Zelda 64. I remember it had pictures of some HORRYIFYING Poes and Redeads, so it must have been focusing on the Well/Shadow Temple.

>>599060
Fuck yeah it would have been.

I remember seeing some of these photos in my issue of NP in the past.

Project Dolphin was going to be a hit with this title if I recall correctly.

>>594102
It reminds me of Zelda II towns without blue skies.

So I guess that one deserted town, Keruto or whatever.

>those bare legs

definitely better than the release
i can see why you're into this
shame it didn't have young link tho

I find it interesting that the time travelling mechanic was obviously thought of later than this beta. What was OOT's working title? Anyone know?

Even just visually it shows how much Nintendo change in their games. But you can tell the gameplay would have been a whole lot different to. One of the things I wish they would have kept is being able to use the temple medallions like an item.

With the rest of it, I think they did a pretty great job of honing it into the iconic game it is.

>>603246
>What was OOT's working title? Anyone know?

Zelda 64

Initially they seemed to want the whole game to be adult Link, as the earliest screenshots showed

Later in development they wanted to figure out a way to let you play as child Link too

>>603118
I didn't think anyone would respond.
I strongly imagine that he would probably take up the pose in the picture.

>>602432
Maybe you're just looking for a tougher Zelda game then? Zelda has always had some enemies that scared players, you just seem particularly attached to the earlier games. If anything I'd recommend finding 'hard' Zelda romhacks or looking at ZClassic.

>>594368
>of
>of
>OF

Nuuuh.