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I could have avoided a lot of deaths on my first run of the game if I remembered those were there/didn't jew my magic bar.

>>5935802
I used din's fire to fight shadow link the first and second times around
I used faeru's wind to teleport back to the entrance of the well my first time around

As a kid I never understood how Farores Wind worked. Only years later I realized its the best of the 3 spells.
The real useless items in OoT are:
Potions/Milk, because of the abundance of hearts
Bombchus, because you can go through the whole game without ever having them.

>>5935859
pretty certain you need at least one bombchu for that glass prism behind the gate that has the specific opening for it.

>>5935859
You need bombchus in spirit temple iirc

>>5935871
no you can actually throw a regular bomb at the place you are talking about with the rocks. i just beat the game again a couple of days ago.

>>5935802
I used the fire one to light multiple torches at once cause I'm lazy

>>5935850
I was just thinking of that. I only played Terranigma once, but I remember being worried about wasting consumables, and then I finished the game and realized that I had never once used them.

>>5935886
I think you have to in order to open the Shadow Temple.

>>5935812
>I used faeru's wind to teleport back to the entrance of the well my first time around

You could have just save and reloaded since saving inside a dungeon will put you back at the start.

>>5935897
Ah probably it's been so long since I actually played.

I use Farore's Wind all the time for wrong warping and other glitches.

Farore's Wind is such an ingenuous way to address dungeon progression in the vein of Zelda 1, where you'll frequently find yourself dipping in and out of dungeons for not having a necessary item yet. It took me years to realize you can warp between different temples with it. It's a shame the game literally yells at you where to go next.

thats neat

>>5935904

Bruh Din's fire trivializes the Dark Link fight which happens to be the only challenging segment of the entire game.

>>5936092
to >>>/v/ with you phonepisser

>>5935902
There is a reason why they use it over resetting in the speedrun though. I think there is some glitch involved.

>>5936094
To >>>/discord/ or >>>/twitch/ with ye, tranny zoomer.

>>5935897
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VOvx2pQy9A4

Everyone would use dins fire anyway cause its faster, but yeah

Dins might actually be useful for somethig besides these torches if it wasnt fucking blockable by anything that can defend

Quake medallion in one that comes to mind for me.

>>5935850
the magic system is trash. pretty trash. absolutely optional

>>5935802
Din's Fire is for opening the shadow temple.
the other two are indeed shit nobody needs.

>>5935802
you can put a circle around the ice arrow as well.
it was a shit gimmick and optional as all fuck.

>>5936397
>mfw i was a retarded kid an locked myself out of the ice arrows by using keys to open both sides of the training grounds
Was very disappointed when I replayed the game and actually got them.

>>5936379
quake medallion lets you kill those one fuckers on death mountain that turn to stone if you hit them.
that automatically makes it better than the other magic medallions.

>>5936507
Didn't know that.

>>5936519
yeah, since it turns them into the jelly bag guys

>>5936520
I'll have to try this on the next run.

>>5936379
>Beware of cave-ins when using it
Is this just flavor text or is there anywhere in the game where you risk damage/death for using it?

>>5936092
Kill yourself, faggot.

>>5936691
i'm thinking its just a bullshitty explanation for why the game doesnt let you use it indoors

>>5935802
don't you NEED din's fire to get into the shadow temple

>>5935876
Isn’t there a spot in Gabon’s castle that gives you a chest of bombchus because you have to use them in that room?

>>5936719
not technically. just a lot of fire arrows and hopefully the full magic meter.

>>5935802
I'd used Din's fire constantly. It was cool as fuck. You could just send out a giant circle of fire any time you felt like it, and magic was way easier to keep filled up in OoT compared to LttP.

>>5935802
90% of the items in Simons Quest.
Holy water, whip, crystals, stake,laurels, and the progression items/rewards from mansions.
No holy flame, diamond, garlic, or daggers necessary. Almost 50% of your inventory was trash.

>high level crafting
>instruments
>spirits
>magic
>breeding monsters

Did I miss anything?

>>5936782
Golems

>>5936397
If OoT was balanced to be a harder game, it would have been a neat weapon.

>>5935802
I might have used Wind if I wasn't the kind of guy that when I go into a dungeon I just nonstop playing until i finished it. Feels more like for people that want to play for 10 minutes set a teleport save and can teleport back to where you left off to continue.

Shield I guess could be useful for people that need that protection.

Fire however found to not be that useful since it doesn't really do that much damage and they tend to be better ways to take out enemies.
>>5935850
Bloody Mary is the only time I feel magic is useful but only because that one fight feels like it wasn't balanced at all compare to the rest of the game.

>>5937410
dins fire is great at killing those hands that drop from the ceiling. Hear the sound, see the shadow. Whip out the fire and it kills the hand during the animation.

>>5936782
I used instruments all the bloody time. You make some good ones and you're a sonic rape machine.

>>5936507
Jesus fuck how did I not know this. Hate those little shits.

>>5935843
It's true. I always horde shit like that for some reeeally tough situation but then I end up level grinding at some point and then the situation never comes

>>5935843
>>5937671
FF6 feels like magic isn't really that useful. With abilities being around so you don't really need to cast spells outside of healing outside of battle.

But I feel FF has always been kind of that way. At least ATB games. Typically lots of your magic will go into buff/debuff/status. But FF since everything is on a timer it's best to just deal all your damage at once. And because casting tend to have some slight waiting it's just best to attack for a little damage.

For games like Dragon Quest and other pure turn base RPG I feel mana potions are items I use more often.

Farore's Wind can come in handy when you come upon a locked door without a key so you can warp straight back to it once you find a key, also useful in the Fire Temple in the 2 rooms were you walk over narrow paths over the pits that drop you down half the temple if you fall down

>>5936717
But you're allowed to use Quake indoors, it's the second way to free the good bee

>make your army immune to Death Ripple, a patheticly weak mass damage spell only Necropolis can get and the AI will never use
Wow!

>>5937680
Having the relic that makes you double cast and the relic that makes all magic cost 1mp lets at least one character spam Ultima. Overall FFVI isn't a hard game. Also FF has been on ATB since FFIV, they just didn't show the meter.

>>5938136
They were ironically good in the few water levels. They weren't bad overall, it's just the cape was much more powerful. Flying, jumping, and can even kill enemies that the fireballs can't. Mario 3 also had is similar with the coon tail being better than the fire flower. It makes sense they gave importance more to powerups for platforming instead of fighting.

>>5935802
I mean, there are lots of shitty Diablo 1 uniques, but when Arkaine's Valor is nearly a guarantee to find and highly overpowered, and when this piece of shit isn't even a common unique, what's the point?

>>5935802
Used Dins Fire and Nayrus Love alot in my first play through. Fire for Dark Link till my tiny magic meter ran out, then Biggorons Sword for the rest.

Used love mostly to cheese Iron Knuckles and in Ganons Castle.

Never did figure out how to use Farores Wind

>>5935843
These are useful in ff9 since the final boss has a move that sets someone to 1hp right before using an aoe attack.

Din's Fire is sort of useful as a "Panic Button," but not to the degree that it's worth a C slot.

how has nobody mentioned Deku Nuts

>>5936397
Isn't this kind of lampshaded by one of the gossip stones? IIRC there's a gossip stone that says something like, "they say the treasure found in the Gerudo Training Ground isn't actually that great."

>>5935802

>>5940609
"They say that the treasure you
can earn in the Gerudo's Training
Ground is not as great as you
would expect, given its difficulty!"

>>5940614
I don't think I've ever even gotten the spring ball upgrade in Super Metroid. It shows up so pointlessly late in the game. My first couple times through I just never found it, but by the time I found out where it was I knew how to bomb jump so I just never bothered.

>>5936493
There are enough keys to unlock every door, you just missed some.

>>5940667
they should have just coughed up the spider ball instead. almost equally pointless, but kinda cool

>>5935802
they are fun

>>5935843
I mostly remember using them to trade in the Coliseum.

>>5937680
Magic was pretty strong in FF6, to the point where you sort of need to specifically plan for anyone to use anything else. Mostly for nuking, and healing though. You're right that status effects aren't that great, since your damage potential is typically high enough to wipe enemy encounters in a few moves.

>>5937421
i don't know why they even bothered with those.

Hoard all items, never use them, have x99 of each on new game +, still can't bring myself to use them. Feels bad man, why am I such a hoarder?

>>5935871
Nope. Chus are only required in one place in the entire game and that in Ganon's Castle Spirit Trial for the switch behind a set of iron bars.

>>5941670
>not using speed tabs to give your entire party permahaste
>not grinding for tabs by fighting Spekkio over and over

I SERIOUSLY hope you guys don't do this

>>5935859
>Bombchus, because you can go through the whole game without ever having them.
Chus are required in Ganons Castle.

>Potions/Milk, because of the abundance of hearts
These are useful in emergency, in case the AI decides to Troll.

The real useless items are Nayrus Love and Ice Arrows. Except for Bongo Bongo.

In the Bongo fight, Bongo has extra animations for shooting his hands with Ice Arrows. It serves no tactical purpose to the fight though.

>>5936379
>Beware of cave ins
Sigh. Time to test quake in every nook and cranny I guess.

>>5935886
It's also good for killing the floormasters after split into three.

>>5941689
>Not bringing your waifu along to steal speed tabs from the wall defenses on the Black Omen.
>Not putting on haste helms with maxed speed just because.

>>5935802
>>5936379
I used those all the time. Only downside is the cutscene that plays. Are people just afraid to use the magic meter up or what? Because you're really just handicapping yourself needlessly by not using it.

This bullshit was bugged so it did nothing except make your character harder to see. Harder to see for you the player, not for the enemies, who can find and attack you just fine. I was always pissed when I lost my Boots of Force for this crap.

Debuff spells in about 90% of JRPGs.
>fodder mods dont need them
>bosses are immune
>if not immune, the debuff lasts only 2 turns of combat

Dragon quest series was one of the few ones where a sleep and other debuffs can stick reliable to bosses but for so many other games they were pointless.

>>5935802
Uhhh....pretty sure you need one of those to progress.

>>5943240
So many items in that game are seemingly useless. Dunno why I love that game so much. It's objectively crap, but I loooove it!

Din's Fire is really useful of Floormasters. When they split apart you can just nuke the room.

>>5943769
It had a good soundtrack, except for the low-health theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59oxJMjb4HI

>>5941670
but there is new game+ in chrono trigger. how else do you max your party?

>>5940614
I got the spring ball in super metroid for what I think was the first time, recently.
I had no clue it was even in the game.

>>5941670
Why would you hoard items that permanently raise stats?
Healing consumables I can see.
But not using tabs means they're burning a hole in your pocket.

>>5935802
Why would anyone ever use potions/milk when you could just have fairies?

>>5944058
I like to support small, local businesses.

>>5944058
Fairies don't heal you to full or replenish your magic.

>>5937641
Ether = using the ice rod on the whole screen.
Bombos = using the fire rod on the whole screen.
Quake = using magic powder on the whole screen.

>>5940614
>>5940667
It's somewhat useful for a jump glitch that allows you to jump a second time by turning SB off before a jump and on again after you start to fall. You can jump twice with it. Also useful for the occasional machball stuff.

>>5944140
lmao

I'm sure the dude with the long brunette hair at the magic shop has enough customers considering he's actually running a monopol.

later, his only competitor would be the witch but her business sense is pretty much zill and nobody visits a blind crone anyway.

>>5945180
btw can I just say how much nicer the potion/magic shop looks in the remake?

>>5945194
compared to the original which was really barren looking and like he just moved in.

>>5944058
>not just drinking every poe you catch

>>5945215
Way better than the chainsaw in all appropriate circumstances.

>>5935802
Holy Wars in FF8
>save all my best items to use late in the game
>accidentally finish it without ever using them
Only used them for beating Omega on later play throughs

>>5945220
What appropriate circumstances?

>>5945278
circumstances being when you want to rip and tear some guts. Doesn't it make each punch do a rockets worth damage? Imps literally explode when you punch them berserked.

It's the Invisibility powerup that was completely useless in Doom. Mostly because it didn't work.

>>5945298
Berserk is also a top up to 100 hp lying around. You never need the punch, but it is fun to go gibbing.

Blur was ass. In a game where nothing leads the target making monster aim worse hurts more than it helps.

>>5945239
The Laser trip bombs are really useful in multiplayer, I use them all the time.

>>5935850
Used it against the phantome countess :/
Wasnt that efficient if i remember well

>>5943240
It actually had a secondary effect: all attacks do one damage to you. It doesn't matter too much seeing as most enemies only do one damage to begin with, but it's a thing.
I agree though, it's all about the boots.

>>5935863
>pretty certain you need at least one bombchu for that glass prism behind the gate that has the specific opening for it.
Yep, in ganon's castle. I did the bottle glitch on the bombchus way back when I first played OoT and had to start over because of that.

>>5940614
It's an optional item that requires the use of wall jumping, a technique that apparently some players still can't do consistently. It's more a minor quality of life item than anything essential.

>>5935802
Magic was introduced too late, imo.
I unlocked half the stuff after finishing the game, like the biggoron sword.

>>5945653
>not getting the biggoron sword immediately after the Temple of Light
sad