/vr/ - Retro Games

3/10 too many words

>>5931985
pretty good

I just remember my teenage girlfriend was in a group of freaks who called themselves "Radical Dreamers" online.
God I miss that mexican slut so much.

>>5931985
Its pretty radical.

>>5932073
How come? This game is quite obscure. And shitty too.

>>5932097
Nerdy Mexicans are always knuckle deep in the most obscure shit imaginable.

>>5932097
I guess the ROM was dumped by then? This was 2001/2002.

>>5931985
Best VN I ever played

>>5931985
I just remember really liking this track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77T04c94y6o

>>5931985
not canon

>>5931985

I think it must not be worth even trying, if it helped inspire some dude to make the pretty but shallow (yet convoluted) mess that is Chrono Cross.

>>5931985
Why this didn't get translated into English for either the Playstation nor as a unlockable feature for the NDS release of Chrono Trigger I'll never know.

>>5932173
>LITERAL reference to it in Chronopolis
>not canon

>>5932128
wow thats very nice anon.
that mid song transition

>>5932570
To Chrono Trigger

>>5932073
Dude that sounds fuckin rad

>>5932668
It's 100% canon. Like Crono being dead lmao

>>5932732
nah, that's a reference thing, a what if scenario

>>5932856
Cross establishes that there are infinite dimensions, RD being one of them.

>>5933519
That's why it's not canon to CT.

very different, and a lot of fun. the sound crew did a fantastic job.

>>5933826
Cross is canon no matter how much it triggers your butthurt

>>5931985
WHY
WHY WASN'T THIS INCLUDED AS AN EXTRA IN NDS CHRONO TRIGGER?

It takes a massive fucking shit on everything Chrono Trigger did. If I was the original writer for CT, I'd sue the fuck out of Square for ruining my story with RD and Chr*no Cr*ss. They killed off all the original characters, they added too many fucking people to play as, the way they talked was asinine accent algorithm bullshit and the whole thing just goes along and along wiith nno fucking rhyme or reason and Schala's hair is fucking blonde like wtf were they thinkihg. The game made no sense and the battle system was stupid. The battle music is bad annd serge is a pussy. Fuck RD and CC and fuck you for bringing it up.
Chrono Trigger forever, you contrarian faggot reddit autistic fuck.

>>5931985
Music was good enough to be used in CC. Story is poignant and unexpected.

7/10 would read again. Plot summary is as follows:

>Serge, kid, and magus invade viper Manor to steal frozen flame, which grants any wish
>Magus had saved kid's life and kind of followed her since then for some reason
>Kid is also seeking revenge against lynx, the owner of the manor. Lynx killed her caretaker Lucca
>They find the flame in the ruins of the Ocean Palace
>Lynx defends the flame
>Frozen flame is actually a part of Lacks
>Their battle triggers time distortion
>Kid realizes she is the rebirth of Schala
>Magus is revealed to be Magus here
>Suddenly the Porre army come in and take over the manor
>They fail their mission to get the flame, but Kid is happy she learned what she really is

Poignant, heartfelt, subverted

>>5934446
>If I was the original writer for CT, I'd sue the fuck out of Square for ruining my story with RD and Chr*no Cr*ss
I hope you're just playing dumb...

>>5931985
I love how strange and unexpected the story is. Ideas that would be fleshed out further in CC are introduced here, such as Kid being raised by Lucca and being Schala who lost her memories; but, these concepts are so briefly sketched out, requiring the player to view several endings before they get the semi-full story, that it lends the game a mysterious quality that I quickly fell in love with. In some ways I unironically like it more than Chrono Cross.

>>5934590
Also, the sheer amount of bizarre and goofy endings makes it a pleasure to replay. I love a visual novel that goes in radically different directions often times giving the characters different backstories even, making each path its own alternative universe. There was one ending I vaguely remember where Kid transformed into something, and someone said something about her turning into a dragon, and so my headcanon became that that version of Kid lost her memories, crossed dimensions, and became Harle.

>>5934285
It's not though.

>>5934446
Yes, not only that but the in-universe rules for time travel was also broken.

It's a "what if", at most.

>>5934984
It literally is.

>>5934505
>Lacks
???

>>5935231
>>5935231
no it isn't, read >>5934446

>>5935687
Your 0 INT butthurt tirade changes nothing, Cross and RD are C-A-N-O-N.

All the good parts of CT's story was made by Masato Kato. No one would give a shit about the game if it was just Yuji Horii's flat slapstick.

>>5931985
Pretty cool game in the Chrono trilogy.

>>5932073
Man, I miss my teenage girlfriend too. She used to let me shit on her chest, it was so hot.

I liked that Serge wasn't voiceless.Their interactions as a party are really good as you explore the manor. It makes me wonder how CC would have been if it stuck to a smaller, more developed party size.

>>5936186
pics plz

>>5936001
Anon, you're trying to hard to defend a game that introduced lots of ploholes to the series.

>>5934446
>serge is a pussy

At one point he was actually turned into a cat. What a fucking furfaggot

>>5936309
Cross has no plotholes. CT on the other hand.. YIKES

>>5936417
>Cross has no plotholes
wut?

>CT on the other hand.
oh, I see, so CT is bad and CC is the good one. I see.

>>5934446
I love Chrono Cross a lot but I'm pretty sure the original creators of Chrono Trigger were pissed. Theres a reason Chrono Break never happened. I bet they were pissed.

>>5934607
>radically different directions

Heh

>>5931985
It sure exists

>>5936632
Congratulation on coming to terms with the facts!

>>5938194
I see anon, I see.
I see that you're only pretending. Right?

>>5936796
For obvious reasons.

>>5938406
No need to pretend when you're stating pure facts. It's about time Trigglies faced them.

>>5938631
I see, so the original game vision was to make a game with more than 40 characters without any depth. I see.

>>5936796
>Theres a reason Chrono Break never happened.
Pretty much everyone had left at that point.

i actually finished it

but never finished ct

>>5932073
Why is it always mexican chicas

>>5934590
>I love how strange and unexpected the story is.
The writer said in an interview that he was originally tasked with writing some random scenario for a random VN and in the middle of doing it he realized that he kept envisioning Schala (this was right after finishing CT). Since it was a Square project with CT alumni and it was a minor game on a streamable obscure service he just said fuck it and turned it into a CT sequel without notice, so that Square wouldn't demand anything from it or milk it in advertising. Unheard of in vidya, but very cool IMO.

>>5938721
Kato has said that he envisioned and still envisions a sequel called Chrono Reflect in which main CT and CC characters team up to fight an ultimate foe in Zurvan (whatever that means). In the interview where he said that, he also stated that he was never attached to the Break project and knows nothing about it. Probably a good thing it never happened since it apparently didn't involve any of the original CT/CC team.

>all this CT vs CC talk
>tfw have enjoyed both immensly since childhood/adolescence, yet understand that nothing is perfect
Who else here BEST OF BOTH WORLDS?

>>5936417
Is there supposed to be a plot hole in that picture?
>>5938972
I never knew that! Neat.
>CT and CC characters team up to fight an ultimate foe in Zurvan (whatever that means)
Zurvan, the river (land?) of dreams mentioned at the end of Cross and hinted at, I think, in dreamers. I hope he gets to tell that story one day...
>>5939048
Same, though I didn’t play CC till I was in my 20s.

>>5939204
>>5938973

>>5939048
NO. What I like is completely perfect and what you like that is imperfect is TRASH.

>Mediocre 'novel'
>"btw, here is a CT reference"
>"wow 10/10"
Also, what's the inspiration behind the title? Radical Dreamers sounds rad.

>>5939306
Kid, Serge, and Magil call themselves the Radical Dreamers.

>>5939048
It's kind of like Castlevania threads where you have a few autists that can only take extreme stances on what they like and dislike without any nuanced opinion. I also enjoyed CT and CC.

>>5938708
Brainlet that you are, you are failing to see the overarching message of Cross. While Trigger sacrificed the individual for the greater good, Cross highlights the worth of the individual, for a chain is broken with a single broken link. Serge is isolated in his quest, and those that join him add to the atmosphere of isolation by pursuing their own goals first and foremost. Furthermore, the volume of exposition is moot when the development is lacking, such as pretty much in every Trigger character sans Lucca, and that only thanks to her role in Cross. Meanwhile each Cross character has a hero's journey to look back on, masterfully executed with just a few scenes.

>>5939887
I see, so we need 40 characters to explain the over arc of introducing plot holes into the time travel mechanics presented in the original game. I see.

>>5940268
Trying to brain must be really hard if you've trigtarded LMAO

>>5941625
>the first entry in the series is the worst

>>5932128
Great OST for such a small game.

>>5931985
Radical Dreamers: bad game, good sequel
Chrono Cross: bad sequel, good game
When are we going to get a ROM hack that unfucks Demi's shittery?

>>5932128
It's funny how Chrono Cross gets so many of its best songs from Radical Dreamers.

>>5943235
Not until you stop being a literal faggot and recognize Radical Dreamer's greatness.

>>5943295
Demiforce's retardation must be hindering my enjoyment.

>>5943326
What's your problem with his translation? The goofiest thing he did was insert a secret ending which I agree was retarded, but otherwise his handing of the script matched the quality of CC's localization quite nicely considering he's an amateur and the other guy wasn't.

>>5943359
Demi completely rewrote portions of the script, even affecting the gameplay for no good reason in a number of instances. There's a reason why almost all of old translations have gotten retranslated in recent years, and that's because he routinely took great liberties with the script. Check this out for starters (and note that it's only scratching the surface): https://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Radical_Dreamers_Translation_Differences.html

>>5943373
Where is the patch?

>>5936796
Sakaguchi actively lobbied to develop Chrono Break but Square brass shut it down apparently. Im guessing this probably occurred after Spirits Within released and they were in crisis mode.

>>5943373
>pretend it's a huge scoop
>it's just minor irrelevant differences done to make the script better

>>5931985
>As fun as playing with a DVD menu

No thx

>>5936796
>original creators of Chrono Trigger

Sakaguchi and Horii? Kato was the one who wrote the scripts for all the Chrono games...