/vr/ - Retro Games

>>5924113
its shit

>>5924113
It's great. I like 3 about equally, but still need to play the other 2 scenarios.

Sarah is cool, last time I played I leveled her all the way to 40 before promoting and she just destroyed the rest of the game as a Monk.

I liked I's plot more even if the American "translation" has a bunch of stuff omitted.
Most of the changes to Shining Force II are little mechanical tweaks to make your life better, like how the game can finally run at a fast speed or inventory management being less 100% manual and not punishing you for carrying items. Doesn't matter so much in an emulator these days though.

>>5924119
thank you based sarah

>>5924113
I like Shining Force 1 better

>>5924113
sucks. simple, easy battles; boring story; uninteresting visually and aurally. overrated because it's on the genesis

>>5924342

They both eminate a very different feel, the first one was imo much darker and bleaker. the 2nd one gave me more of that.. Snes RPG feel where shit can be dark but everybody is still happy.
I remember reading somewhere that the 2nd game was rushed though, and was originally supposed to be twice as big.
But yeah, its a great game. for some reason the cinematics are more powerful here than in most 16 bit era games, they really draw you in. the intro alone with the thunder and the thief stealing the jewel gives me that feeling of watching something epic evolving.

>>5924113
good luck leveling your healers

>>5924685
That's in the first, in this one leveling the healers is easy.

How are Shining Force 3 and CD?

>>5925378
3 is amazing, especially with all three scenarios. They're all translated now. CD is based on the Game Gear games. First two parts of it are remakes of Gaiden 1 and 2, and then it has two short original parts which are sequels to those. It's good, but it's all battles without exploration.

Shining in the Darkness and Shining the Holy Ark are great too if you want dungeon crawlers.

>>5925391
Also don't forget the game gear Gaiden final conflict, has English translation patch and finishes up the story on CD.

Bowie
Jaha
Sarah
Kazin
Slade
Peter
Gerhalt
Karna
Tyrin
Randolf
Eric
Sheela

Everyone else is sub optimal.

>>5925391
I didn't know the SF3 translation was done. Good stuff.

>>5926448
>Gerhalt
>No Lemon
>Optimal

Pshhh! Yeah right.

I played Shining Force 1 and 2
They were both enjoyable games

>>5926448
>Eric
Yeah nah. Unless you meant Elric, because you need more ranged.

>Randolf
I don't even remember who this is, so he must be pretty lame. Replace with May and you have a good lineup.

>>5926582
One of the four you can choose from at Creed's. I always went with Karna.

>>5926594
Ah, that's right. Karna seems to be the most popular choice there but I always go Tyrin. Master Monks are great but by the time you get that second vigor ball you can go back and get Karna pretty much right away. Until then I see no appeal in another redundant healer.

>>5926582
Nah all ranged has low defense and shit damage output, but if i did go with an archer it would be May.

>>5926748
Tyrin is cool. Karna was good for me though the first time because Sarah was really under-leveled. Plus she learns Boost 2 quickly. Besides being a good move, it gives her a ton of experience casting it so she levels up fast.

>>5926772
Always get Randolf because leveling Karna and Tyrin isn't hard when you go back, but Randolf and Eric are.

>>5926448
>Eric
>Not Jaro

Your list makin me laff!

>>5927006
Good point

>>5924113
Looking into purchasing this one myself... How's the PAL optimization? Anyone knows?

threw all my stat items at that stupid turtle thinking he was going to be secretly op.

>>5927673
Kiwi was literally the worst character in the game.

>>5926448
>No Taya for double Vegeta summons
>No archers ar all
>Waiting for every Creed guy is optimal

>>5928278
Every creed character is objectively paramount in their respective class.

>>5927394
This one's PAL optimised, I believe.

>>5928110
I remember using him and he was a funking tank.

>>5928689
Against physical attack he's a tank. But magic kills him almost instantly with his low HP.

Shining Force 1
Max
Luke
Gort
Ken
Tao
Anri
Zylo
Mae
Kokichi
Domingo
Shining Force 2
Bowie
Sarah
Chester
Karna
Kazin
May
Kiwi
Rick
Jaha

>>5925391
SitD and Holy Ark are bloody amazing. Especially Holy Ark. Goddamned that was a good game. Too bad about the slowdowns.

>>5929173
>Ken...not Ernest?
>Tao...not Alef?
>Kokichi...not Bleu?
>Chester...not Jaro?
>Kiwi...not Peter?
>Rick...not Eric?
>Jaha...not Lemon?

I assume you were intentionally playing with sub-optimal group.
Your favorites?

>>5924113
Is it the same inventory management shitshow as the first game?

>>5929426
If Bowie's inventory is full, any item picked up goes to the next person's inventory.

Also, you can access an item storage on the world map.

>>5929435
Good shit.

>>5928695
This. Blaze 1 is a OHK against him for like a third of the game.

>>5929559
Blaze 1 does 6 damage. He starts with 7 health.

You're thinking of Frost 1, which is 10-11

>>5929426
No

What mithrils have to be picked up when you see them? I want to pick up the ones that I can later to better manage my inventory.

>>5924342
same. Shining Force 2 had too many characters
but also the best character, Kiwi

>>5926448
>>5929173
LOOK OUT! I'M SWINGING MY BIG SHINING DICK!

>SHINING FORCE #1
>MAX
>KHRIS
>ARTHUR
>ZYLO
>KOKICHI
>DOMINGO
>LYLE
>BLEU
>MUSASHI
>ALEF
>TORASU
>HANZOU

>>5929380
Oh shit, I forgot to add Peter to the list.

>>5930760
Why doesn't anyone else take there Shining Force with Lemon?

>>5926448
>>5929173
>>5930709
Hold my yogurt...

!!!JOGURT FORCE!!!
>JOGURT
>JOGURT RING BEARER #01
>JOGURT RING BEARER #02
>JOGURT RING BEARER #03
>JOGURT RING BEARER #04
>JOGURT RING BEARER #05
>JOGURT RING BEARER #06
>JOGURT RING BEARER #07
>JOGURT RING BEARER #08
>JOGURT RING BEARER #09
>JOGURT RING BEARER #10
>JOGURT RING BEARER #11

>>5930794
Probably just because you get him so late in the game. I think I used him in my first file though.

>>5930806
Yeah...I'm thinking this is based.

>>5929934
All of them in Granseal at the beginning obviously. I think that may be it. Others in Southern Grans as well if you want to use them all without having to do extra fights to access those areas again.

Dunno why you'd bother though, easy enough to get 'em all when you're in the area. What are you gonna shit up your inventory with, herbs? Waste of time and money, sounds like.

>>5930794
I do because the last slot of the my force is usually free since everybody else is overpowered
That slot goes for Lemon, Gyan or Higgins

>>5930871
Higgins is fine. He's better than Rick & Chester. that's for sure.

>>5929173
>>5929380
>>5930908
>No love for Rick's pony-boipussy

>>5924113
Shining Force threads are always so comfy.

>>5925378
Shining Force CD lacks the towns but is a story that takes place after the first Genesis game and it has the best battles and story

>>5924119
>leveling to 40
Been a Shiningfag since i was a wee lad. BUt answer me this.
1.Where/how hard is it to grind like that when you cant even use new weapons. I get spells like boost etc. but wtf. Sounds time consuming.

2. How effing strong does it make you and is it worth it. Any vids, or old sites that explain it in detail?

3. Anyone play the new SF2 "wrath of the god" hack. (war of the gods?) I beat it on ouch. (I know it may, or may not be harder) But fuck it was fun. Shitty as a MF in some spots, esp early on.

>>5931106
>1.Where/how hard is it to grind like that when you cant even use new weapons. I get spells like boost etc. but wtf. Sounds time consuming.
It's a waste of time basically, but it makes you godlike. This was years ago so I don't remember perfectly, but I think I used the Fairy Woods secret battle to level. There's some enemies in that secret battle like a Mist Demon that give you a bunch of experience. Attacking them along with using the protect ring to cast boost works.
>2. How effing strong does it make you and is it worth it. Any vids, or old sites that explain it in detail?
I wouldn't say it's worth it, but it makes you strong enough to basically solo the game with that character for a while. There's some threads archived on the GameFAQs board talking about it. Probably some one Shining Force Central or another fansite too.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/563341-shining-force-ii/76905910
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/563341-shining-force-ii/77339967
>Anyone play the new SF2 "wrath of the god" hack. (war of the gods?) I beat it on ouch. (I know it may, or may not be harder) But fuck it was fun. Shitty as a MF in some spots, esp early on.
Haven't tried it, but sounds cool. Might try it sometime.

>>5931106
There's no practical reason to level out like that in SF.
I did it as a kid because it was my first RPG and I thought it was "fun."
SF games aren't that hard you don't need to be that high of a level to beat the game.

>>5931127
>>5931129
bet

>>5924113
based

You don't need other RPGs when you have Zelda

>>5931241
Yikes

>>5930806
Absolutely based!

>>5931241
>Zelda
>RPG
only Zelda II and that’s an action RPG/platformer hybrid

>>5931106
>>5931127
When I played I used the debug menu cheat to let me control the enemies to make the mist demon grinding faster. I played shining force 2 before 1 and I found 1 to be much easier, I don't know. One trick to level healers in shining force 2 is to heal every single turn to characters that have full health because you still get experience. In shining force 1 you don't get the same exp so it doesn't work as well.

Shame I only found out about that way late into the game

>>5924113
Gamepro gave it a bad review back in the day. I got it anyway. Awesome game.

>>5931607
>>5931652
don’t bite

>>5931760
Fuck GamePro

>>5924113
Alright, OP, I'm fucking myself right now, are you happy?

Did genesis have any other decent SRPGs?

>>5931934
Langrisser

>>5931934
>>5931947
>Langrisser

Check out Vixen 357. Made by the same people. It's scifi Langrisser with mecha.

>>5931995
It's also getting an English re-release soon.

>>5927673
I did that too. It was very disappointing, but since I'd already went that far, I just kept giving him stat items and went with it to the very bitter...half-way through (stopped playing).
I'll play it again when I have time, I learned a valuable lesson.

>>5927673
>>5932006
Kiwi is viable about half way through the game. Then his low HP becomes too great compared to enemies' normal attacks. His high defense no longer protects him from regular enemy attacks which down him in one hit.
Not to mention magic attacks which also insta-kill him.

>>5932098
>Kiwi is viable about half way through the game

That makes him worse as a mascot/joke character than Jogurt. Kiwi tricks you into wasting time on leveling him.

>>5924119
I thought it as better to promote the characters as soon as you can.

>>5932252
For beating the game quickly it probably is. Promoting them as soon as possible makes sense. But you get to keep stat increases from before promotion level ups, so to get the strongest possible characters you can delay it. Pretty much requires grinding and repeating battles though, not worth it normally.

>>5930917
Do you think he's a gelding?

>>5931947
you missed the spoiler text

was their any SF game that continued SF2 story like SF1 with the CD game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8g1L0STnyY

>>5931934
>Did genesis have any other decent SRPGs?
Some content deleted from the computer version, but the interface was tweaked to be console friendly. Visuals are shit but it is a very satisfying game once you get geared up and start wrecking shit.

>>5932390
Shining Wisdom takes place after 2. Has Kazin and Sarah in it even.

>>5932553
>Sarah

Does she have a older design or is she the same

>>5932553
For real?

>>5925378
CD has an amazing OST.

>>5924113
I really like the spritework but I fucking suck at strategy RPGs. Like, it's uncanny how fucking awful I am at them.

>>5932976
Luckily for you, I, II, and CD are some of the easiest SRPGs out there. You have to be genuinely full retard to actually suck at these games.

>>5932984
You underestimate my retardation, my friend.
I have a hard time with Mario + Rabbids.

>>5930989
>lacks the towns
Honestly that kills it for me.

>>5932809
For real, but they changed the names in the English translation for some reason.
>>5932634
Not sure, I haven't actually played the game yet, just going off what I've read. I'll see if I can find an image of her.

Help me settle an argument, /vr/. Is Jaha a dwarf or a hobbit? I've always thought of him as a dwarf with no beard, but I've also read that some official guidebook calls him a hobbit (Shining Force Central also lists him as one).

>>5932634
3:42 of this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxnFipYyvZ4

Sigh. I wanted to find pictures of Sarah and Kazin in Shining Wisdom for these anons >>5932809 >>5932634 but instead I found this. Now I must share my misfortune.

>>5933258

>>5933241
I swear the manual calls him a dwarf. There's other characters who are the same class as him that are stated to be dwarves in-game and who use the same sprites pallete swapped.

https://www.gamesdatabase.org/Media/SYSTEM/Sega_Saturn/Manual/formated/Shining_Wisdom_-_1996_-_Working_Designs.pdf
The contest at the end is interesting too. $10,000 grand prize for submitting the fastest completion time.

>>5933265
Yeah, it does.
https://www.gamesdatabase.org/media/system/sega_genesis/manual/formated/shining_force_2_-_1993_-_sega.pdf

can't wait for shining force 4

>>5933279
>dwarves don't grow up
Haha, golden. That's not the manual I remember visually but I remember that text all right.

>>5933246
>no portrait

oh...

>>5933285
>camelot left sega to make soulless tennis games for nintendo forever

I wonder if it was worth it

>>5933291
Kek

>>5933258
So you want to share some "special" fanart, huh?

>>5933461
>>5933285
Can't wait for Golden Sun 4

>>5933241
Looks like he's a Western Dwarf but also a Japanese Hobitto.

>>5934306
Interesting. Guess that settles it.

>>5934274

>ignore childhood friend who has been in love with your since who knows and followed you into battle and saved your life countless times to marry some broad you haven't even spoken a single word to just to become king

who sociopath here?

>>5934418
Princess has nice tits. Deal with it, elf.

Also:

>Would cockblock Kazin

>>5934137
Yikes. This thread is reserved for...
>BIG FAT MONK TATS!

Is there any advantages snipers have over brass gunners?

>>5935020
Better Agility, I think.

>>5934306
Also his name seems to be Jaja there. How funny sounding. Entirely unlike the fully sensible and normal sounding 'Jaha'!

>>5935020
Better movement, maybe their turns come up quicker too? I'd go the gunner just because... uh. There really might not be much of an advantage, come to think about it. You generally don't have your ranged attackers getting hit but... I like making them the tanks. So there.

>>5935072
>>5935152
Also, Brass gunners have a different movement type (count as horse-type) so they are more affected by adverse terrain.

out of habit I still mash A during attacks thinking they help accuracy and criticals when playing these games

>>5935278
cute

>>5935662
Many such cases.

>>5924113
*fucks myself*

>>5935278
>>5935996
MOST TAO!

>>5935278
>>5935996
MOAR TAO!

>>5935662
Hey! It works! Whatever you do don't tap B. That'll make your attack miss!

You have 10 seconds to name a more useless character than Higgins.

>>5936718
Kiwi
Zynk
Claude
Luke
Skreech
Eric
Rhodes
Jaro and Frayja too imo

>>5936793
>Eric
I mean Rick goddamnit

>>5936793
Zynk has ibe of the highest attack potentials in the game

Claude has the highest defense in the game with the third highest attack potential.

>>5936819
Yeah, good luck leveling up those boys with their meager MOV and AGI

Hero dude-close in attack
Sara-master monk
Chester-flying and range attack
Jaha-damage sponge, close in attack
Kazin-range magic stuff
Karna heals
Peter-close in attack
Sheela-mastermonk
Jaro-flying and range attack
Slade-sacrifical lamb (it was all the rats fault anyway)
Taya-range magic stuff
Frayja-heals
I split them into 2 groups, send one group in one direction the other group in the other direction. Domination nation

>>5936837
Running peppers and agility ring biatch!

>>5936718
Chester

>>5936695

>>5937114
This is great. Is there any More?
Artist?

>>5936695
based

>>5936695
ANRI

One of my favorite Sega genesis games of all time.

>>5937114
>Sexual harassment is my life~
But why?

>>5937496
cute

Is it stupid to give the master monks the running pimentos?

>>5924113
>my subjective opinion is actually objective reality - the thread
Sometimes I wish usernames were a requirement here. It'd go some way to stop dumb faggots like you from posting this bile, and improve the quality of this board a thousandfold. Shit head.

>>5937183
https://twitter.com/Pict_A_Piyond

>>5938273
>reddit

>>5938330
Thank you. Great stuff.

I wasted my time training screech because i thought we was powerful, he's kinda well hidden too

>>5938946
Birdmen are always disappointing.

>>5924113
It was an okay game. First one was more fun.

>>5938994
Two was an improvement at every front, except for the occasional random battle.

>>5939378
Except for story, art design, characters, and entertainment value.

SF1 is still the best in all those regards

>>5939490
This

>>5939490
>art design
>entertainment value
Those are subjective enough but I don't see how SF1 can beat 2 in story or characters, not because 2 is super great or anything but because there's almost no party characterization as normal in strategy games of the time
I'll take whatever little interactions Geshp and Odd Eye had with Zeon to Kain and Darksol's dry exposure
Mishaela was okay I guess

>>5940062
PROTIP: The English localization erases half the plot of SF1.
Mainly Max having amnesia and being a prince of Runefaust. He was originally part of the Runefaust invasion of Guardians.
Meaning that Kane and Max are brothers and Ramladu is their father.

>>5940069
Which helps explain why Max stayed in the collapsing fortress to make sure that Dark Dragon was sealed. He felt personally responsibility for D.D.'s release because of what his kingdom did.
Max is a much more developed character than Bowie. That's for sure.

>>5940069
Not to mention the sattelites that make magic possible on the planet right?

>>5929182
Shining in the Darkness is abysmal. I'm playing it right now with fast-forward, save states and pre-made maps. Even with all that it is extremely tedious, grindy and nauseating.

>>5940193
Stop fucking playing it jesus christ.
>premade map
YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT

>>5940194
Drawing maps is not fun. I got pretty tired with it when I was playing La-Mulana.

>>5940246
Why willingly suffer through something you hate doing. Just stop playing.

>>5940261
I just want to finish it since I'm nearly at the end.

>>5940246
So how about you use the IN-GAME MAP, you absolute baby?

>>5940792
>Not memorizing the entirety of dungeon crawlers you've ever played
Not counting randomized ones of course

>>5936718
In SF2? Can't be done. Chester is similarly shitty but at least he's a body that can hit and tank until you get enough characters to switch him out for someone better. You can't even say that about Higins. And he's not even a unique class! He's your 3rd fucking paladin at this point! Fuck Higins.

>>5940246
There's something about the plodding methodical nature of it that makes mapping dungeons really appealing to some people.

>>5940857
Seriously....this. I could do ths when I was 8 years old.

>>5940857
Too right. Honestly in games with limited or no mapping capability, it's usually not hard to keep track of dungeon layouts in your head and retain the feel for where to go for a few weeks. All you need is a non-goldfish memory and ability to recognise the simplest of patterns. Mapfags truly confound me.

Shining in the Darkness is easy as to navigate, I rarely use the map and only after coming back from a piss. And anybody who needs ant sort of map for Phantasy Star 1 needs to attend a school for goldfish. Really, now.

>>5942645
Goldfish doesn't have short memory you dumb trash.

>>5940069
>>5940070
>>5940073
this is news to me.
althougth I came to games late via the genesis collection on the ps3.

>>5940261
how would he complain more then?

>>5944004
This

>>5942921
Then why do they swim into their own poop, huh?! Got ya there, you goldfish!

>>5940069
>>5940070
>Kane and Max are Princes of Runefaust

That also explains why Max's promotion armor is similar to Kane's in style.

>>5945092
Fuck me, I've had the game since it came out and I never noticed that. Good spot.

>>5945092
Nice

>>5924113
It's absolutely epic and this is not a nostalgia trip I still play this regularly and love the whole thing from pixel to plot.
1 of the few games that I actually enjoy the grind, the combat is so fun.

>>5945459
I just wish theanimations were faster

>>5945459
Same

>>5934418

It was all cover for the secret trysts he would arrange with May for the remainder of their lives.

>>5945148

Crazy Japanese people and their high-mouth fetish.

>>5924113
im still mad they picked SFI instead of II for the mini collection. would have been a instant buy.

>>5945092
>>5945148
Isn't that the most gaudy design ever
And that's coming from the same decade that saw Urushihara's designs
Max's unpromoted design is like the perfect amnesiac wanderer swordman look, both Max and Bowie look worse promoted but Max was the biggest downgrade in my opinion

>>5947492
Wrong.
It's a great design.
It's meant to set them apart. Showing that they have access to weapons and technology different from your every day warrior (ie weapons and armor created by the ancients)

>>5947473
You can get the Asian one.

>>5926772
>>5926594
Karna is the best pick but I alwyas mean to try another person just for the sake of change but I never do.
I like this guys >>5927006 reasoning for getting randolf though. I do like gladiators/barons.

Alright lads, who the fuck do I give the running pimentos to?

>>5948082
Kiwi.
Give all of your stat enhancing items to Kiwi.

>>5948154
:^)

>>5948154
The virgin 'balanced' party vs the kiwichad

peter
love or hate?

>>5948213
He's broken and its annoying af when you first get him and can't control him.

>>5948218
It's n worse when an enemy spellcaster uses muddle on Peter and then he wrecks your Party.

>>5947768
>Showing that they have access to weapons and technology different from your every day warrior (ie weapons and armor created by the ancients)
Well they show it too well because it looks as if Max is wearing the scraps of any of the roboric enemies

>>5948716
That's fucking badass

>>5948154
Kiwi unironically benefits the most from stat boosting items

>>5947768
I always thought promoted max looked like Batman.

>>5948716
>Around chapter three the force starts running into mechanical enemies
>That's typically when you're high enough level to promote Max
>Max made a suit of armor from the scrape or the Laser Eye

This is my headcannon now .

>>5948716 #
>Around chapter three the force starts running into mechanical enemies
>That's typically when you're high enough level to promote Max
>Max made a suit of armor from the scrap of the Laser Eye

This is my headcannon now .

>>5947492
I disagree.

>>5948003
??? it's on the jap version of the mini?

>>5948213
hate. wish you could kill him.

>>5949096
Why?

>>5949116
He's a bitch!

>>5948213
I like how goofy Peter looks unpromoted.

GORT

>>5948729
>>5948995
Okay, I'll admit it actually sounds awesome despite I still don't like the design

>>5949847
>Host

Yes, he is.

>>5949847
>GORT

Yes, he is

>>5949116
It's easy to hate him before he becomes controlable, kill stealing twat he is. He's fine later on.

>>5924119
In Sarah we trust.

>>5949847
based

>>5949092
Yes. There is also another Asian model that has it.

>>5940073
Correct

>>5949847
I always liked Gort. He's like a badass uncle, who is a midget.

>>5949847
Not retro but when I played Dark Souls 2 and met Benhart I immediately remembered the GORT

>>5924113
the random battles were extremely repetitive. I liked the first one better.

>>5933461
at least we got the GBA Golf and Tennis games before they turned to complete shit and stopped making RPGs.

>>5951732
This

>>5951156
WELP

>>5951732
Legacy of Great Intent all the way.

>>5951732
>the random battles were extremely repetitive.
Good thing they are entirely avoidable then, innit. I don't see how anybody can complain about the 6 or so random encounter squares in the game that you can just WALK AROUND (and retreat from if you accidentally step in the wrong spot),

>>5953527
great subtitle

>>5953648
Still annoying

>>5954248
Fair enough

>>5924113
Great game

>use the dev codes to be the monsters and have the player characters be AI
>any ranged character softlocks the game
Well that's disappointing.