/vr/ - Retro Games

Rent free beep.

>not liking the stairs

This faggot's gonna lose his shit when he plays MGS3

>>5926469
NOT RETRO

NOT RETRO

NOT RETRO

NOT RETRO

>>5926486
This guys going to lose his shit when he plays mgs4

When I played MGS2 and they talked about memes.

On Why MGS is overrated shit and anyone who likes it is a fucktard: An Essay by The Ogg Spammer.

>>5926529
Guess I’ll add that to long list of shit I don’t give a fuck about.

Is MGS1 the worst video game ever, bros?

I fucking hate MGS1 t.b.h.

Why did reviewers pretend to like MGS1 when it first came out, given that it is universally reviled now?

MGS1 is a weak, pathetic, childish game for brainlets

>>5926541
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>>5926572
>>5926573
Well it seems that there is a wide consensus about this topic, huh?

>>5926461
>Not saving Stun Grenades
It's not like there's really a use for them anywhere else in the game. Testing one out makes that clear enough.

When did you realize MGS is literally the most brilliant meta game ever created, /vr/?
I've always loved the game, but I've never truly appreciated its power until I started browsing /vr/. Not even its haters can go one day without thinking about. They spend more time hating this masterpiece than playing their """"""superior"""""" games. Man, Kojima REALLY knew what he was doing.

>>5926528
Meme
Gene
Scene
M.G.S.

>>5926707
>spam stun grenade every 15 seconds for 5 minutes
>now THIS is GAMEPLAY
Absolutely based.
>>5926572
Gamespot gave it an 8.5 - objectively not good.

>>5926564
>>5926572
>>5926573
It's okay australia, we always knew you were behind the /ogg/ threads.

/vr/ missions is where the gameplay really shines

When I played TTS as my first MGS game and found out it was a tedious stealth game in which the difficulty comes not from the intended mechanics, but from the annoying view angles and the limited camera control.

>>5926461
What do you mean when you use that word?

>>5927028
It means it's a meme like fucking memes you dipshit

>>5926461
It's kind of sad when you disagree with someone in a thread, just having a normal back-and-forth, or so you think, then you log on days or weeks later and the dude is still spamming threads out of rage. You realize you were talking to someone with serious personal and or mental issues and it's just kind of sad.

Nu-/vr/ is embarrassing.

>>5927031
You can't define something reflexively like that you doofus. The sad truth is children these days use "meme" to just mean "joke". As such, they call things "memes" that really shouldn't be.

>>5927064
It's kind of all he has, so, just let him have it, y'know? Try and reason with him occasionally, but it's probably best to just let him vent here instead of taking it out on innocent people in real life.

>>5927239
Because it's overrun with /v/. And modern /v/ is beyond casual.

>>5927250
They might as well move /v/ back to 4chan from 4channel, and make it a non-blue board. It's essentially /b/ levels of (almost) porn posting. 90% of threads on page 1 are anime tits all day, everyday.

>>5927262
It's funny. /v/ would bitch and shitpost non-stop whenever a mod tried to clean up shitposting like 4AM threads. So the mod team decided to leave /v/ alone except for NSFW shit. /v/ then started crying they couldn't talk about videogames because there was too much shitposting and the mods weren't doing anything about it. So they moved here and started shitposting and screaming about how the board needs 6th gen, then wonder why everyone hates them.

/v/ is the only ones responsible for the state of /v/, but they can't wait to blame reddit/resetera/neogaf/twitter or whoever the boogyman is today. Fucking retards.

>>5927270
There's occasionally an entertaining thread there, but by and large, the people who post there need to be euthanized.

>>5926461
what makes it more of a joke is that, this is the second metal gear game to do it.
Pic Related had it where you hatched an owl out of an egg to fool a guard it was night time....even though it's clearly day time and out doors

>>5927064
>>5927249
>people who like what I like = based, enlightened, and well-adjusted individuals
>people who criticize what I like = incels who will commit massmurder after watching Joker
>>5927270
I don't really browse /v/ anymore, but offtopic threads often had better discussion of whatever topic they were about than the boards dedicated to it. And I honestly don't know why anyone would hate on 4 AM threads.
Why are we even discussing /v/? MOOOODS

>>5927576
I don't get why people go into waifuporn threads specifically to complain about people posting porn of waifus. Whatever happened to hide and ignore

>>5927582
Going into the thread and complaining is the only outlet they have. They shouldn't be doing it, but consider the following:
The thread shouldn't be there in the first place, so hide and ignore doesn't solve the problem. Reporting doesn't do anything either because the mods simply don't care anymore.
In the end, they become frustrated and try to do something about it themselves, which is barging in and complaining loudly.

>>5927243
Everyone knows what it means when you call something a meme, bro. Cringe.

>>5926469
What a thrill...

>>5926461
>Try so hard to convince others a game isn't good that we all agree is good
>Doesn't make a single point just randomly yells it at us incoherently.

lmao.

>>5926583
OP should be perma banned. I bet this is the kid that posted about the MS last year for months on end.

>>5928190
>us
That's gonna be a yikes from me.

>>5928264
>yikes
Oof

>>5928847
Crinfe.

>>5928190
>OP makes a clear point
>Kojimabois are so delusional can't see it with glasses on in bright light
ouch

>>5928958
No wonder the MGS storyline makes you so upset, you barely seem to comprehend the English language. Go get hooked on phonics, maybe read a book, seek mental help, get a job, move out of your mom's house, get some friends, have sex, buy a CRT, replay MGS on original hardware and fuck off until you can speak the language at an adult level.

>>5927530
That's disingenuous of you. Those guards were basically trained drones that were so into their jobs they didn't even care what time is was, they must have been so tired and used to their owl signaling their due bed time that you wouldn't care either if it was still day time, you would hit that fucking bed.

>>5928968
Based and redpilled.

>>5928968
>be called out on your bullshit
>immediately get into rage mode
Yipes

>>5928968
Uhh, calm down, sweaty? Besides, the story of mgs1 isn't hard to follow at all. It's a little over the top, but it's not convoluted. And just in case you were referring to later entries in the series: NOT RETRO.

Anti metal gear fags are obsessed.

>>5930281
This is propaganda from pro metal gear brainlets. Every criticism levied against the game is valid, so you try to create the illusion of consensus and authority and turn the conversation into one of warring factions rather than concrete arguments.

Metal Gear Solid kicks ass and is possibly the best PSX game.

popular contemporary games:
mario - a plumber travels the mushroom kingdom to save a princess
tomb raider - a big breasted vixen travels the globe to uncover an ancient atlantian conspiracy
duke nukem - a foul mouthed chauvinist battles space aliens after kidnapping a bunch of pornographic performers
FF7 - a planet sized alien struggles with an exogenous infection
but metal gear solid gets remembered for a silly plot.

>>5930563
what criticism?

>>5927270
And /vr/ blames /v/...

what a dumpster fire of a thread. MGS1 & 2 are based.
>inb4 not retro
fuck you.

>>5930657
It's NOT RETRO and you should GO BACK to /v/.com/forums you fucking non retro retard.

>>5926461

That's the best bit.

>>5930698
I don't even visit /v/ you dilated autist retard.

>>5926469
kek

Stop with this samefaggotry plz

I don't want to get embroiled in any of this flame-faggotry, but it's true I can't for the life of me get back into a Metal Gear game whenever I try and go back and replay one all these years later, despite being a huge fan when I was younger. And it always makes me sad.

>>5931091
samefag. The main thing is I quickly get tired of pressing start to skip cutscenes I know by heart and the game in between is kinda like... Well, Kojima himself describes the usage of cutscenes as a reward for overcoming a gameplay challenge. Sort of a carrot on a stick. As a result, the stakes and tension of the gameplay is driven a lot by seeing what happens next. When you know it already, it feels like a waste of time.

Going back through to pick up on things you missed story-wise... You can do it, but re-exposure unveils how much of the writing is just fuckin' bad. Not the premise or plot outline or characters, but the actual syntax and framework of the dialog. Underlying character dichotomies and theming for the story at large is just told to you in-game by a secondary character whose clear avataring for the writers may as well be another trademark fourth-wall break. It's hard not to think, "That would've been a cool idea if you let the plot or imagery articulate it instead of just...articulating it."

>>5926461
MGS sold mostly on hype over substsnce. Its rambo'esque, braindead story, together with the shallow gameplay made it a magnet for retards worldwide. Kojima really hit the mark with MGS.

>>5931104
Fuck you, /v/ implant. You don't know what you're talking about. Look at this idiot rage and just spew hatred for a game with no facts or examples, just his terrible hot opinions and shitty grammar. Classic zoomer. Go back.

>>5931104
This is my first post in the thread and I'm telling you to fuck off. How does that feel?

>>5931125
>>5931126
Imagine being so mad that you samefag in a thread 19 times. That's how many times you've done this.

>>5931104
>Sort of a carrot on a stick.
The whole franchise is a carot on a stick for morons. Thats how Kojima rolls. He knows his audience.

MGS1 is a poor man's Operation: Winback

>>5926461

Probably at some point in the last 10 years, after MGS4 release, I realized MGS would never be allowed to end and the "genius story" would be drawn out arbitrarily for the sake of having more metal gear.

It's been at least a decade since I played MGS but this is how I remember it:
-Enemies have a 3m binary vision cone
-Enemy AI goes into aggro for an exact number of seconds and the game actually puts a timer on screen and after that counts down the enemies forget that you exist entirely
-Basic melee attack is a button-mash
-Enemies notice foot prints in the snow. Can't remember if that feature is ever used again.
-Incessant radio calls explaining me basic shit about how reality works as if MGS is pretending like it literally pioneered everything in videogames so everything has to be explained to a first timer
-Several waves of three armed soldiers come an attack you in a cutscene and you have to fight back and if you complain about it the fans take a break from telling the world that MGS is the best stealth game ever in order to remind you that it's Tactical Espionage Action and not stealth
-Boss fight against a gunslinger, horribly Engrish anime dialogue by the least believable characters in the history of fiction is starting to grind on my ears
-Cigarettes are used to get past lasers and never again. This game has no mechanics just one-off gimmicks
-Finally notice that the gameplay, AI and mechanics are so primitive for 1998 that most of the 3d-screen is useless and basically the game could be played in that green little map in the corner. Blips in a maze. You're playing Pac-Man
-Another boss fight against a tank using hand grenades
-Shoot a wire guided missile and somehow guide it around a tight u-shaped hallway to hit a generator.
-Impossible to continue before the player inputs information only found on the CD case that is never found ingame and there is no explanation as to how the character gets the info in lore
-Look at men's asses to find one ass that has female animations
...

...
-Another boss fight against a floating weirdo who lists savegames from my memory card, has AI literally built around player inputs in controller slot 1 and can only be beaten if the player switches controller slots
-Literal weeb who pisses his pants and a boss fight against a cyborg ninja. Slowly starting to realize that most of these characters are named based on two words that when combined into a name could only sound cool to a 5 year old playing cops and robbers with their playground buddies
-Boss fight against a sniper that kinda might fit a game like this if it was optional and executed a little bit better
-Gunship attacks the player
-Tank pilot is back with a minigun and you have to fight him again
-Player has to run all over the place looking for areas of different temperatures to change the properties of a keycard
-Player gets caught and imprisoned in a cutscene and has to use ketchup to fake suicide in order to get a guard to unlock a door. The rest of the game has no mechanic for AI to see blood, it's yet again just a one-off setpiece gimmick.
-Player has to run up a giant stairwell while soldiers that the game has deliberately alerted to the player's presence are constantly coming down so the player has to gun them down
-Player gets caught and imprisoned in a cutscene again and has to mash buttons in a QTE incredibly quickly in order to resist electric torture, and success or failute entirely determines the binary ending
-Missile launcher fight on foot against a giant robot
-Fist fight against the villain in a game that at no point has ever had unarmed combat and now it expects you to know how it works
-Final showdown is a turret segment

>>5931231
>>5931232
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Mad that your Nintenbabby 64 didn't get this game and you weren't allowed more than one console? Nothing you say will EVER change the fact that MGS1 is perfect. Kojima is a fucking genius.

@5931246
>bait requires the player to not have access to the system on which they had to play the game in order to formulate their criticism
jesus christ are you trying to false-flag kojimadrones to be inconceivably retarded or something? The drones parroting "rent-free" might have a point if some of their opponents are that desperate. You don't need to stoop anywhere near down their level for fuck's sake. You actually have arguments available if you bother to think for one second and they'll respond with insults anyway so you'll win every single time.

>>5931247
Give me an example. And thanks for the at.

>>5926583
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>>5927270
Not only that but they whined hard about a game being censored and then whined to Hiro about it. Hiro decided to allow politics and threads about censorship up. Now the larp fags have taken huge advantage of that rule and make the same threads about "mah censorship" "mah Tifa's tits" and officially wonder why nobody likes the board and left out. Its no longer a place to hangout or party and talk about games with a little bit of trolling in between. Its essentially just shit central with the worst userbase that spams the same things over and over again.
>/v/ is the only ones responsible for the state of /v/, but they can't wait to blame reddit/resetera/neogaf/twitter or whoever the boogyman is today. Fucking retards.
I dislike them, but i do not make it my lifes goal to make threads and then speak about them. And the Twitter threads are beyond bad as well. Its just awful.
>>5927576
>I don't really browse /v/ anymore, but offtopic threads often had better discussion of whatever topic they were about than the boards dedicated to it. And I honestly don't know why anyone would hate on 4 AM threads.
I do not like them either. I stopped visiting a year ago and decided to leave /g/ as well because the cancer is spreading. Especially the avatar posting.
>>5927864
>The thread shouldn't be there in the first place, so hide and ignore doesn't solve the problem. Reporting doesn't do anything either because the mods simply don't care anymore.
I would agree but there is far worse threads on there nowadays the relentless posting about Tits, censorship(even when its not), and having the same thread more than 4 times. I tend to notice when Europeans are on at 10pm-5am it is solid no issues. But beyond that time Americans are beyond terrible. Mods are bad sure but its mostly because they can not keep up.

>>5931107
stay mad op.

>>5926461
Still better than Thief.

>>5931232
>>5931231
>reddit.

>>5931594
>Circlejerk: The Official Website would ever allow criticism, let alone badly remembered criticism, let alone criticism of a Kojima product
I don't mind the test, but (You)NATCO better issue some hardware.

>>5926461
>another thinly-veiled-/ogg/-episode

>>5931585
the bizzaro thread is that way -->

>>5931894
Cope westcuck.

Why can't MGS cucks even admit that the criticisms of their faggy game are totally valid? Is it a mental problem?

>he still at it.
Sad OP.

>Why can't MGS cucks even admit that the criticisms of their faggy game are totally valid? Is it a mental problem?

>>5926461
it was released in the 90s. why are so many faggot kids on the /vr/ board?

for comparison other shit released for the same system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUtEr25l928

nightmare creatures was so buggy you could combo through seams in the wall and walk around stages avoiding enemies

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTDbScc-kYs

the original resident evil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1i59p7qLPws

and all of these almost are on par visually with morrow wind a game to be released on a console 1 generation departed FFS. mgs was on a fucking cd not dvd or blue ray. storage capacity wise there isnt enough room for tons of content. laugh but since i mentioned morrowind it takes place in a small world with tons of reused stuff and redundant dungeon like ruins. lots of quest and it seems bigger than oblivion but when you stop and think about it most of the game seems to be made of recycled content. back tracking recycled content its all the same really

Metal Gear Solid is cool because it feels like you're playing a John Carpenter movie.

>>5932439

I don't like MGS and I have my reasons for it but this is still the worst thread on /vr/ right now. Every side of the argument looks bad here.

>>5932594
Fuck off middle of the roader mgs1 is based and redpilled

>>5932594
Nope that's just you, nigger

>>5932591

>>5933508
Imagine being this offended by being called out that you desperately try to counter them with weak-ass points.

MGS didn't turn into a complete embarrassment until after 2. Kojima has just been writing the series into a hole ever since.

>>5931585
rent free

>>5933508
see you in three days, avatarfag.

>>5933850
yeah rent free thiefcuck.

>>5931232
>and can only be beaten if the player switches controller slots
If you die against him a few times, you get a call explaining that Psycho Mantis hates his own face, so uncovering the statues in his boss room will distract him enough to disable his psychic powers. Then you can just beat him like that.

>>5933876
Well it's been about 12 years since I played the game. And I think the controller gimmick is artificial gameplay variety. Messing with controller ports as an actual valid and deliberately implemented strategy is in my eyes not some brilliant original idea, it's the equivalent of quitting and restarting in order to despawn a boss. In any other game people would shit all over design like that. Imagine if Oblivion had a tutorial that said "Once you've acquired one item, you can spam drop and pick up in order to take items before the game has managed to register the inventory deduction. This allows you to exponentially increase the item amount."

Beepzorz thread?

>>5933904
>Beepzorz
According to several search engines whatever it is you're referring to was either scrubbed out of the internet or invented on this board. Care to enlighten us?

>>5933895
>artificial gameplay variety.
go back.

>>5926461
>>5933919
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/474959724/#474959724
https://arch.b4k.co/v/thread/474959724/#475019852
Don't play dumb OP.

>>5933936
>boss has a game mechanic meant for beating the boss
>implement another way to beat the boss that involves messing with your control hardware outside the game
>pretend that you're accomplished some remarkable feat of game design
It is literally artificial variety. I'm not arguing, I'm stating.
>>5933942
I just looked up every instance of the letter z on that thread and the only ones mentioning what you're talking about are just the same anon paranoia you're exhibiting about some redditor who doesn't exist. I bet if they had linked to a previous thread that thread would just had the same shit too.

>>5933957
>you're exhibiting about some redditor who doesn't exist
yeah because you deleted your entire post history after being exposed in the jrpg threads.
Also stop using words you don't understand.

>>5933969
Are you doing some next level orwelling double-think or something? Simultaneously imagining that an anon is someone in particular while also contradicting that by imagining that he's ignorant about things that the person should know about in order to have participated in a similar discussion before? Because not only am I not some literally who you've got rent free in your head, I have no idea what you're talking about. This is an exclusive or truth table. Either both inputs have to be true or both have to be false.

The stages of Kojima droning:
1. Avoid argument by insulting unbelievers and/or deeming them too underage to understand ~(1998-2015)
2. Avoid argument by pretending that the unbelievers are not talking sense and can't be understood ~(2015-2019)
3. Avoid argument by misdirecting it towards something irrelevant and even unprovable ~(2019-present)
4. (Unimplemented. Possible deployment post-Stranding)

you can stop saving face now OP.
It's getting embarrassing.

>>5926461
About half way though MGS2. Time has been really kind to MGS2 though and it's an interesting form of post modern art. HOWEVER I think people inflate that too much too. Like way too much.

>>5934018
>Stranding
not retro. Fuck off to /v/.

>>5934029
don't mind if I do. But first...
>>5934026
>and it's an interesting form of post modern art. HOWEVER I think people inflate that too much too.
Case in point: Unironically calling that directionless pointless obliviously melodramatic engrish cringe unintentional parody anime "post-modern art"

>>5934039
>Case in point: Unironically calling that directionless pointless obliviously melodramatic engrish cringe unintentional parody anime "post-modern art"
kind of following you. I mean when you consider the belief that hideo made MGS2 from a place of hate for fans and konami and everyone pressuring him to make another metal gear game, a lot of the direction of the game makes more sense. But it's more like a "ah ha. interesting" than "zomg wtf this is the greatest piece of video game art of all time hideo totally called out the future he knew everything!"

>>5931125
By "shitty grammar" I can only surmise you mean you think using grammar is shitty. There's also no anger reflected anywhere in my posts. You're doing the actual kind of projecting.... "Rage and spew hatred," come on. Listen to yourself.

>>5931126
Feels good to make an 8/10 post, apparently.

>>5934332
Why won't you back down, faggot???????

Bump.

>>5936431
Bless you for doing the Lawd's work

Stop bumping your own thread autist.

MGS fans, please enlighten me on why this game is anything more than good/decent. Inb4 things about how it did something first or it was like playing an action movie.

OBSESSED

>>5926461
Wait until this guy finds out about MGS3 ladder

I liked MGS 1, MGS 2 slightly disappointed me.

is this topic just a mgs hater and a mgs fanboy samefagging and yelling at eachother endlessly?

>>5938258
OVERRATED

>>5938557
The fanboys are here for sure. Haters too I guess, if you count anyone who has valid criticism.

What the fuck is a meme

I realized how much of a hack Kojima was when MGS4 came out and everything boiled down to "nanoz". Ocelot was just pretending to be liquid, turbo edgy raiden wearing high heels, fuck that game so bad....

but then he outdid himself by taking 5 years and $80 million dollars to release an unfinished cross generation pile of shit. Sony's gonna be in a lot of financial trouble when their next fiscal report comes out and guess who's probably gonna get fired.

>>5940269
>valid criticism
ok OP.

>>5940283
not retro zoomer

Metal Gear Solid 4 was rushed out, Ocelot was pretending to be Solid since MGS2 i don't remember the plot exactly cause it's been quite some years but he forced himself to believe that the he had liquid arm attached to him (which by the way was able to talk, yeah a talking arm) and it was possessing him.

MGS4 was a terrible game for a bunch of reasons, the gameplay enabled people to play a stealth game as a shooter or a fps without any penalty so sneaking was optional, it was one of the main features of the game. They went overboard with the cutscenes, it's the only metal gear with 4 hours of gameplay and like 16 hours of pure cinematic bullshit, the story is not that bad but it's exhausting and most of the cut scenes are not as good as the other games with a few exceptions.

MGS1-3 are great stealth games with a good war story, cheesy as fuuuuck and enemies that stick with you and great cinematics. Kojima is not a hack but hes certainly not a genius either, he just genuinely enjoys cheesy action movies and he enjoys making cheesy war games.

>>5940450
>the gameplay enabled people to play a stealth game as a shooter or a fps without any penalty
That was MGS3

How have the Metal Gear games aged? Better than MGS?